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Posted by: Doggie.3184

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Since Rifle looks to be the most likely new weapon for Thief due to it being so commonly requested + the medium class in Trailer it would be nice to prepare a little feedback early~ even if it doesn’t end up being the new weapon on release it will be one eventually.

This will strictly be what you would love Rifle to do with Thief; Simple or Complex~
Maybe when reveal comes those wishes will come true.

What I’d like most of course is 1200 range w/o traits.

The #1 skill to pierce in a line like harpoon gun.

A fun explosion like aoe to bring back the fun I have with the sniper Gauss Rifle + Meltdown explosion perk in Fallout. :P

…and I think it’d be new/interesting if they did a sniper type skill that did more damage on your total initiative bar and used up the entire bar at once.

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Posted by: MightyMicah.7451

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Personally I’d just like to have a rifle weapon with a bunch of utility type skills. Knock backs, stealths, blinds, etc. Other than that, I don’t really mind what they do to be honest. I’m just glad to have a new weapon, whatever it may be

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Posted by: Kurow.3076

Kurow.3076

Absolutely nothing.

I have my bars set extremely low to avoid any form of disappointment.

I would, however, be ecstatic if we get GS though…because then, I can at least use all my fancy GS skins on thief.

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Posted by: Myxam.2790

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Posted by: YuiRS.8129

YuiRS.8129

Nothing. I think that every form of focused DPS ranged weapon on Thief is doomed to be useless.

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Posted by: Quakeman.9378

Quakeman.9378

I dunno. I feel like any kind of cc on its skills would be hard to balance simply due to the initiative mechanic, so I’d personally expect mostly dps with vulnerability or so.

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Posted by: BFMV.3198

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Something like this ?

All 1200 range
Skill 1: Sniper Shot – 1/2 second cast
Shoot a bullet that deal more damage the further away you are Inflicts one stack of vulnerability.
Skill 2: Shadows Retreat – 3 Initiative –
Shadow step away from your foe and blast them with a crippling shot
Skill 3: Furious Shot – 4 Initiative – ½ cast
Fire a piercing shot that grants fury for 5 seconds.
Skill 4: Shot from Shadows – 5 initiative – ½ cast
Stun you foe with a powerful shot – stun duration 1 second
Skill 5: Meld with Shadows – 6 initiative
Gain an active camouflage for 3 seconds that is broken when movement occurs. Gain 2 stacks of might for 5 seconds. Your next attack deals +20% damage.
Skill 6: Stealth Skill – 1-2 second channel
- Headshot – 1500 range
Fire a brutal shot that deals high damage. Also dazes your foe for 2 seconds.

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

Sagat.3285

Lock of all other skills and traits,so the new ones only focus on the specialisation hopefully inspired from Critical Strikes, traits and skills with variation like IP in a CS, AoE impact on bullet hit,protection specific boon removal.. Meh we’ll see I’m aware I am aiming too high.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

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A hard hitting weapon that punishes your foes for getting closer while still being the longest range thief weapon. Mostly single target.

Auto Attack: increasing in damage the closer you get (in contrast to Rangers And Mesmers who get a damage boost the farther you get away, more like Necro lifeblast)
0-600 range: 1.0
600-1000 range: 0.8
1000-1200:0.6
Total time shot to shot:1 second

Stealth Attack: A simple Boon strip
1.5 Multiplier
0-600 range: Remove 3 boons
600-1000: Remove 2 boons
1000-1200: Remove a boon
Unblockable

#2: Get some life steal on your autoattacks
Cast time: 0.5 sec
3 Initiative
Range 450
1.0 Mult
3 targets
Blind and damage foes in a cone
dark field: 4 seconds
(operates like warrior’s hammer shock, but leaves a dark field)

#3: Hit your foe in the face with the butt of your rifle while evading backwards
Cast Time: Instant
4 initiative
Range: 130
Mult: 0.5
Evade backwards 300
Blind and Weaken target: 3 seconds

#4: A more powerful headshot
Cast Time: Instant
5 Initiative
Range: 1200
Mult: 0.25
0-600: Knockback 150
600-1000: Knockback 50
1000-1200: Daze 0.25 sec

#5:
Cast Time: Instant
6 Initiative
Range:1200
Mult: 1.5
Cripple your target 5 seconds
Shadowstep to your target

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Posted by: Achey.3612

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i honestly get some creeping feeling it’s gonna be something silly like torch…. a lot of torch skills cause blind… and burn… unless it’s only 2 handed weapons. then nevermind that. I can’t imagine anything with rifle cept a sniper like skill set. invisibility’s #1 skill would probably be like… headshot…. which will daze for 1 second…

the number 2 skill will probably be something like immobilize

number 3 will probably be some sort of retreat skill.

number 4 might probably be a crippling skill for close range

number 5 might be some sort of jump or cloak.

that’s just my guess

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Posted by: BFMV.3198

BFMV.3198

A hard hitting weapon that punishes your foes for getting closer while still being the longest range thief weapon. Mostly single target.

Auto Attack: increasing in damage the closer you get (in contrast to Rangers And Mesmers who get a damage boost the farther you get away, more like Necro lifeblast)
0-600 range: 1.0
600-1000 range: 0.8
1000-1200:0.6
Total time shot to shot:1 second

Stealth Attack: A simple Boon strip
1.5 Multiplier
0-600 range: Remove 3 boons
600-1000: Remove 2 boons
1000-1200: Remove a boon
Unblockable

#2: Get some life steal on your autoattacks
Cast time: 0.5 sec
3 Initiative
Range 450
1.0 Mult
3 targets
Blind and damage foes in a cone
dark field: 4 seconds
(operates like warrior’s hammer shock, but leaves a dark field)

#3: Hit your foe in the face with the butt of your rifle while evading backwards
Cast Time: Instant
4 initiative
Range: 130
Mult: 0.5
Evade backwards 300
Blind and Weaken target: 3 seconds

#4: A more powerful headshot
Cast Time: Instant
5 Initiative
Range: 1200
Mult: 0.25
0-600: Knockback 150
600-1000: Knockback 50
1000-1200: Daze 0.25 sec

#5:
Cast Time: Instant
6 Initiative
Range:1200
Mult: 1.5
Cripple your target 5 seconds
Shadowstep to your target

Eww no. Dude, we are thieves with a specialisation that will be close to Assassin I reakon aye.

You are a thief and you wanna get close with a long range weapon. Dude it doesn’t fit. Enough of this CC at close range instead make he rifle a glass burst and long range control weapon, that punishes single targets from a long distance and stuns and dazes them from a distance.

It fits perfectly lol, and adds a support role to the thief as they can stay outside of close combat and avoid being nuked while picking off targets.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

A hard hitting weapon that punishes your foes for getting closer while still being the longest range thief weapon. Mostly single target.

Auto Attack: increasing in damage the _closer_ you get (in contrast to Rangers And Mesmers who get a damage boost the farther you get away, more like Necro lifeblast)
0-600 range: 1.0
600-1000 range: 0.8
1000-1200:0.6
Total time shot to shot:1 second

Stealth Attack: A simple Boon strip
1.5 Multiplier
0-600 range: Remove 3 boons
600-1000: Remove 2 boons
1000-1200: Remove a boon
Unblockable

#2: Get some life steal on your autoattacks
Cast time: 0.5 sec
3 Initiative
Range 450
1.0 Mult
3 targets
Blind and damage foes in a cone
dark field: 4 seconds
(operates like warrior’s hammer shock, but leaves a dark field)

#3: Hit your foe in the face with the butt of your rifle while evading backwards
Cast Time: Instant
4 initiative
Range: 130
Mult: 0.5
Evade backwards 300
Blind and Weaken target: 3 seconds

#4: A more powerful headshot
Cast Time: Instant
5 Initiative
Range: 1200
Mult: 0.25
0-600: Knockback 150
600-1000: Knockback 50
1000-1200: Daze 0.25 sec

#5:
Cast Time: Instant
6 Initiative
Range:1200
Mult: 1.5
Cripple your target 5 seconds
Shadowstep to your target

Eww no. Dude, we are thieves with a specialisation that will be close to Assassin I reakon aye.

You are a thief and you wanna get close with a long range weapon. Dude it doesn’t fit. Enough of this CC at close range instead make he rifle a glass burst and long range control weapon, that punishes single targets from a long distance and stuns and dazes them from a distance.

It fits perfectly lol, and adds a support role to the thief as they can stay outside of close combat and avoid being nuked while picking off targets.

But it does have long range cc and punishes people for getting closer. Also the gap closer and stealth attack has a. 1.5 multiplier, making them equivalent to a midrange heatseeker. I doubt we’d get a weapon that let us burst and stay at range. The strong autos would make up for that, allowing you to save initiative for the other skills on the weaponset.

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Posted by: BFMV.3198

BFMV.3198

A hard hitting weapon that punishes your foes for getting closer while still being the longest range thief weapon. Mostly single target.

Auto Attack: increasing in damage the closer you get (in contrast to Rangers And Mesmers who get a damage boost the farther you get away, more like Necro lifeblast)
0-600 range: 1.0
600-1000 range: 0.8
1000-1200:0.6
Total time shot to shot:1 second

Stealth Attack: A simple Boon strip
1.5 Multiplier
0-600 range: Remove 3 boons
600-1000: Remove 2 boons
1000-1200: Remove a boon
Unblockable

#2: Get some life steal on your autoattacks
Cast time: 0.5 sec
3 Initiative
Range 450
1.0 Mult
3 targets
Blind and damage foes in a cone
dark field: 4 seconds
(operates like warrior’s hammer shock, but leaves a dark field)

#3: Hit your foe in the face with the butt of your rifle while evading backwards
Cast Time: Instant
4 initiative
Range: 130
Mult: 0.5
Evade backwards 300
Blind and Weaken target: 3 seconds

#4: A more powerful headshot
Cast Time: Instant
5 Initiative
Range: 1200
Mult: 0.25
0-600: Knockback 150
600-1000: Knockback 50
1000-1200: Daze 0.25 sec

#5:
Cast Time: Instant
6 Initiative
Range:1200
Mult: 1.5
Cripple your target 5 seconds
Shadowstep to your target

Eww no. Dude, we are thieves with a specialisation that will be close to Assassin I reakon aye.

You are a thief and you wanna get close with a long range weapon. Dude it doesn’t fit. Enough of this CC at close range instead make he rifle a glass burst and long range control weapon, that punishes single targets from a long distance and stuns and dazes them from a distance.

It fits perfectly lol, and adds a support role to the thief as they can stay outside of close combat and avoid being nuked while picking off targets.

But it does have long range cc and punishes people for getting closer. Also the gap closer and stealth attack has a. 1.5 multiplier, making them equivalent to a midrange heatseeker. I doubt we’d get a weapon that let us burst and stay at range. The strong autos would make up for that, allowing you to save initiative for the other skills on the weaponset.

Why would you want a gap closer on a RANGED weapon. I
m sorry but that is idiotic. Can you imagine Sword – Dagger thieves 2 skill teleporting them away?? That is the same thing mate.

And why can’t we have burst at range? Because whiners say so? Rangers can burst at range and thieves are meant to be strong at burst.

Giving them a really strong single target damage weapon to control and take out targets fits perfectly into it

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

A hard hitting weapon that punishes your foes for getting closer while still being the longest range thief weapon. Mostly single target.

Auto Attack: increasing in damage the closer you get (in contrast to Rangers And Mesmers who get a damage boost the farther you get away, more like Necro lifeblast)
0-600 range: 1.0
600-1000 range: 0.8
1000-1200:0.6
Total time shot to shot:1 second

Stealth Attack: A simple Boon strip
1.5 Multiplier
0-600 range: Remove 3 boons
600-1000: Remove 2 boons
1000-1200: Remove a boon
Unblockable

#2: Get some life steal on your autoattacks
Cast time: 0.5 sec
3 Initiative
Range 450
1.0 Mult
3 targets
Blind and damage foes in a cone
dark field: 4 seconds
(operates like warrior’s hammer shock, but leaves a dark field)

#3: Hit your foe in the face with the butt of your rifle while evading backwards
Cast Time: Instant
4 initiative
Range: 130
Mult: 0.5
Evade backwards 300
Blind and Weaken target: 3 seconds

#4: A more powerful headshot
Cast Time: Instant
5 Initiative
Range: 1200
Mult: 0.25
0-600: Knockback 150
600-1000: Knockback 50
1000-1200: Daze 0.25 sec

#5:
Cast Time: Instant
6 Initiative
Range:1200
Mult: 1.5
Cripple your target 5 seconds
Shadowstep to your target

Eww no. Dude, we are thieves with a specialisation that will be close to Assassin I reakon aye.

You are a thief and you wanna get close with a long range weapon. Dude it doesn’t fit. Enough of this CC at close range instead make he rifle a glass burst and long range control weapon, that punishes single targets from a long distance and stuns and dazes them from a distance.

It fits perfectly lol, and adds a support role to the thief as they can stay outside of close combat and avoid being nuked while picking off targets.

But it does have long range cc and punishes people for getting closer. Also the gap closer and stealth attack has a. 1.5 multiplier, making them equivalent to a midrange heatseeker. I doubt we’d get a weapon that let us burst and stay at range. The strong autos would make up for that, allowing you to save initiative for the other skills on the weaponset.

Why would you want a gap closer on a RANGED weapon. I
m sorry but that is idiotic. Can you imagine Sword – Dagger thieves 2 skill teleporting them away?? That is the same thing mate.

And why can’t we have burst at range? Because whiners say so? Rangers can burst at range and thieves are meant to be strong at burst.

Giving them a really strong single target damage weapon to control and take out targets fits perfectly into it

First, if they gave us a burst on it you know it would end up as an initiative dump just like unload. That’s why the auto at closer range hits for slightly harder than ranger longbow at full distance(it’s equivalent to lifeblast at >600 units).

Sword 2 allows you to engage and disengage (i.e. teleport away). This allows you to control the fight. As to the gap closer. If you read through all of them, you can see that it deals the most damage at medium range, while coming down to SB damage at long range. The gap closer allows you to pursue and harass a fleeing enemy. When they turn around after they realize they can’t escape, you’ve got a short distance knockback, blind, and evade (gap creator) all ready. This allows you to control the distance and pace of the fight just like sword 2. Additionally, it’s meant to synergize with other weapons because of the cripple, especially D/D which lacks the gap closers this has. It’s about controlling the fight without having too many hard cc’s (so hopefully less QQ).

Example: Ranger on a ledge that’s keeping distance in PvP Rapid Firing your teammates. You could try to fight him at range, but that’s likely not going to go in your favor. You could use the gap closer, saving steal, knock him into into the fight with the short range knockback, then he’s crippled, and interrupted, so you can switch to your close combat set and engage. The damage is equivalent to a 50-25% heartseeker as well(slightly more damage than mug), so it makes a nice opener.

If you don’t like it, that’s fine. That’s just what I want to see: Medium to high sustained damage without having to use up initiative so you can actually react to your opponents.

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Posted by: Bigglesworth.8249

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You really have to think about what thief is currently missing from it’s kitten nal, and that’s mostly AoE dps. I think if thief does get rifle it’s going to be more like an arquebus or scatter-shotgun. Short to medium range, ground-target aoes, very little if any pew-pew type attacks, and probably a melee cc/gap creator. The real interesting question is how or if they will incorporate stealth into the weapon.

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Posted by: MrForz.1953

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Why would you want a gap closer on a RANGED weapon. I
m sorry but that is idiotic. Can you imagine Sword – Dagger thieves 2 skill teleporting them away?? That is the same thing mate.

And why can’t we have burst at range? Because whiners say so? Rangers can burst at range and thieves are meant to be strong at burst.

Giving them a really strong single target damage weapon to control and take out targets fits perfectly into it

Alright. Thief is often a source of high burst damage and relies, when defending itself, on mobility (and positioning), blinds to an extent, dodge movements + endurance management, aaand stealth. Most of used weapon combinations give a measured amount of all of the above. All the weapons will get you up close and personal with your opponent, and this is where Initiative shines, and its management is what the Thief is all about.

- >Now let’s go for your extreme range single target DPS weapon. If at first you don’t care about adding defensive skills to your rifle, then what kind of offensive skills would you want to put on it? Burst damage you said? The problem is that you’re on a class that doesn’t have cooldowns, so you’d be primarily spamming that burst damage skill whenever it’s up and then go back to auto-attacking when you’re empty on initiative. The Shortbow and Pistols are okay in that matter because you’re close enough to keep some initiative for one of the various utility skills when you fight. But with the rifle, you’re pretty much a Warrior with no cooldowns at that point, and not only that’s boring, but it’s not quite Thief like in terms of core gameplay.

Also, there will be the matter of stealth striking with the rifle, especially in PvP. Doing so with the shortbow, or a pistol at 900 range gets you to be close enough for a prepared opponent to make a response attempt, to jump on you, to shoot you back. With a rifle’s stealth attack, assuming that you still want burst, you’d be mowing your unsuspecting prey down at 1200 – 1500 range and he’ll have two options: To flee, or to desperatly make an attempt at catching you, and he’ll already be 3/4 dead with defenses already used when he gets to you. That’s not quite healthy. And should a nerf come to pass with this, the weapon will simply suck.

- > Should such a gameplay come to pass, now what kind of defensive (or outplaying) skills that is in line with what a Thief is mainly about would you put on your rifle? Stealth? Evades? Mobility? All those would be 100% toxic for such a weapon. And blind alone wouldn’t cut it.

Oh, and Steal would only be there to look good.

I understand that many Thieves want to be shadow snipers or whatever, others simply want a 1200 range weapon, but the very core of the class will make it incredibly difficult to make this wish a reality.

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Posted by: SirWarriant.2319

SirWarriant.2319

Make it a high damage with shadow steps and a skill that stealths you for 5 or so seconds or whatever as long as you are stationary and said stealh gives you bonus damage or something. I main a Ranger but would love to be a sniper on my Thief.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

What am I hoping for with the “rifle?”

Not a rifle at all.

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Posted by: pepper.6179

pepper.6179

with the addition of rifle, expect nerfs to nerf it into oblivion.

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Posted by: Oslaf Beinir.5842

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I just want to snipe scumbag LB rangers and GS Mesmers from stealth for a good laugh

I believe it will indeed be rifle since “gift of stealth” lol

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Posted by: Awaltir.5302

Awaltir.5302

I just hope that if we will get rifle , we will hold it like warrior , not engi….

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Posted by: CobOfCorn.6352

CobOfCorn.6352

I’m just hoping for 1.2k range- I don’t want to get hyped and then be let down by speculating any more than that.

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