Guild Wars 2

What’s so exciting about Rifle for Thief compared to other weapons?

1200 range……………….

for the most part, Thieves have basically no ranged options. You have the pistol, but at 900 range and sub-par damage if you’re not stacking condition damage, it’s simply not worth it to take. The shortbow got nerfed pretty hard, and still only has 900 range. A long range power setup would be ideal for expanding build options and making the class more versatile.

:o rifle thief that is very very exciting

Nothing exciting about it. It’s just going to solidify Pistol/Pistol as the most useless weapon set in the game.

Because rifle is the least weeaboo, no offense. All these players wanting to be samurai, monks and ninjas just really bug me.

Tbh I’m not that excited about rifle thief either. Sorry…

yolo swaggins.2570:

Because rifle is the least weeaboo, no offense. All these players wanting to be samurai, monks and ninjas just really bug me.

Really, no offense taken. I would like to have a samurai thing at some point, but I don’t believe it should be until we actually go to the asian inspired continent of the setting – Cantha. Elsewise, it’ll feel ludicrously out of place. I mean, that’s why they’re giving Rangers the Druid spec, right? because it makes sense in terms of the story.

(besides, if you want to be a ninja, just go dual daggers and you’re done.)

Tbh I’m not that excited about rifle thief either. Sorry…

Don’t apologize. Everybody is entitled to their stylistic preferences.

It’ll be so sexy if we actually get to main a rifle. Pirate theme

Rifle = Pirate theme? O.o
Pirate is P/D or S/P…
Lets do commando class with rifles…
Commando Class
Let thiefs rule the world!!!
Btw, flying in new regions with the expansion? Thief-Bomber with clusterbombs confirmed, gonna spam that all the way and don´t forget the big bomb from ingi in that case ^^
Oh forgot… I´m not gonna using that gliders, I will stick with that helicopters, preordered one… with stealth access of course

Zero Day.2594:

1200 range……………….

Meh pistols get 1050 with Ricochet.

I think some people like the idea of beeing a sniper.

But there is already a sniper spec in the game (LB ranger) so it would be a little bit redundant.

On the other side, with our high mobility and great access to stealth, I cannot see how this would be good balanced. A rifle would be either op or just meh like p/p imo.

There is a reason why we have no valid distance weaponset.

Think of it like P/P that doesn’t suck. High single target ranged DPS on an incredibly squishy character with high mobility is a match made in heaven.

Rifle can always end up blowing, of course, and we will never use our Specialization.

Personally, I think it will be some sort of a slow aiming long range weapon that allows you to stay in stealth for a long time without moving. It will be useless for anything but WvW where you one-shot Zerkers with it.

so you can pretend you are a ranger and pew pew from the cliff tops just hope anet dont give it too much damage =p

apocom.3172:

But there is already a sniper spec in the game (LB ranger) so it would be a little bit redundant.

But thats not a sniper, thats a machine gun spec. ^^

I love the idea of rifle thieves, but a 1200 range burst weapon combined with stealth and thiefs insane mobility just sounds so broken. They really have to be careful with its skills

In my opinion, it really isn’t the weapon that I’m excited about.. but the brand new trait line that we’ll receive, I’m also wondering which line it’ll replace.

I’m not excited at all. I was really hoping they would add something nice for us thiefs. Longbow would be better, but I’d really prefer dual swords, or even a mace. Just not a rifle really. Maybe the new traits though will work nice with my d/p thief.

Chill mates, that was engi with rifle in video,
Thief will get smth with condi removal on his weap skill, and i can’t imagine it’d be something based on rifle.

dDuff.3860:

Chill mates, that was engi with rifle in video,
Thief will get smth with condi removal on his weap skill, and i can’t imagine it’d be something based on rifle.

unsubstantiated whether for or against. There’s a strong argument to be made that it was a thief, however, in that it was in the same shot as the hammer engi at one point and we know for a fact rangers aren’t getting rifles.

Let us have out speculation. It doesn’t do any harm to chat about our wants, and it lets the devs know the sorts of things we’d like to have.

There are two things that bugs me if Thief’s specialisation were to become Snipers (aka getting a Rifle).

Firstly, it’ll sound weird as a logical progression. Assassin -> Sniper would be a closer match but GW2 utilizes the profession (bleh, class) as “Thief”, which would fit the transition more towards “Rogue/Pirate/Corsair”. I know Ranger -> Druid isn’t perfect match either but least Rangers relate to their animal taming and kindling with spirits.

Secondly, I’m getting shivers down my back at the thought that I could possibly be sniped by a Thief with their 1 skill from hide, at 1200 range, dealing backstab-like damage (to imitate a headshot).

I just don’t see how a rifle gives us anything new. Warriors already have a sniper rifle, if you wanna be a sniper just go play Warrior. You can hit 10k killshots in rapid succession from 1500 range, but if you get caught in close quarters you’re screwed. That sounds like what a lot of people are looking for, I just don’t see why Thieves need the exact same thing.

On the contrary – warriors have an assault rifle. Yes, it’s still a rifle, but the use is much, much different. When was the last time you saw a sniper do rapid-fire?

i wouldn’t have high hope on rifle thief
because (pve)
melee will always be better dps, range will always be bad dps, samething even with ranger.
and you don’t need 1200 most of the time

(pvp)
shortbow will still be better, single target ranged weapon arent gonna be that good, look at rifle war, lb ranger barely in the meta except owning noobs, etc.

and i wouldn’t except for it to be good or at least no better then ranger lb in any means as how many disengage thief has and thief is more made for mid to close range combat. same level as a war rifle perhaps?

and about sniper, it wouldn’t exist, because they will never allow for one shot kill at least not with thief who have stealth and blinks, look at killshot. it will just be bad skills overall.

instead of rifle, i would love
to get

GREATSWORD THIEF

HAHAH, come one anet.

Guys don’t spoil this cause I would really love it if we actually got a rifle. Out range weapons are just too lame tbh…

Pistols are using rubber bullets that’s why Head Shot only daze people, while a Rifle, a Head Shot would blow their gibbs out.

I expect that Rifle Thief would be a slow paced mechanic, a complete opposite of the current fast paced Thief mechanic. It would also be a good addition if ArenaNet reintroduce a GW1 condition — deep wound.

Anyway, that’s how high I’m willing to take my hopes.

Harnel.6810:

On the contrary – warriors have an assault rifle. Yes, it’s still a rifle, but the use is much, much different. When was the last time you saw a sniper do rapid-fire?

The main purpose of the rifle on the Warrior is to take out enemies with Killshot – a 1500 range burst attack. A fully buffed zerker sniper warrior in WvW can 1 hit pretty much any class in the game. It’s also possible to 1 hit multiple enemies with 1 Killshot since rifle shots can be traited to pierce. Most people want Thieves to get a sniper rifle which would function similarly. I get that you like the Sniper-Assassin aesthetic, I do too, but we’re only getting 1 new weapon with this expansion, and I would rather it not be the same thing as what’s already available in-game.

maybe have killshot skill? i already go full glass on my rifle warrior lol

Why everyone thinks that if we’d get a rifle, it would be a direct dmg oriented weapon set? It could be a weapon with skills like scatter shot that applies bleeds, hilt hit that applies confusion etc.

RashanDale.3609:

apocom.3172:

But there is already a sniper spec in the game (LB ranger) so it would be a little bit redundant.

But thats not a sniper, thats a machine gun spec. ^^

I love the idea of rifle thieves, but a 1200 range burst weapon combined with stealth and thiefs insane mobility just sounds so broken. They really have to be careful with its skills

I disagree. LB is high range single target burst. Beside the animation, the gameplay is like a sniper rifle.

On the other point I agree. I think it will be broken.

apocom.3172:

I disagree. LB is high range single target burst. Beside the animation, the gameplay is like a sniper rifle.

It was just a joke

Why everyone thinks that if we’d get a rifle, it would be a direct dmg oriented weapon set? It could be a weapon with skills like scatter shot that applies bleeds, hilt hit that applies confusion etc.

When you give a sneaky dude a rifle, at least i think of long range, slow rate of fire, high damage. Which fits direct damage burst more than condition.

RashanDale.3609:

When you give a sneaky dude a rifle, at least i think of long range, slow rate of fire, high damage. Which fits direct damage burst more than condition.

That’s a Thief for you?

yolo swaggins.2570:

Because rifle is the least weeaboo, no offense. All these players wanting to be samurai, monks and ninjas just really bug me.

It does bug me too, yet, all I seem to see is that most of people want to stuff their death dealing dark shadow mass-murdering assassins of doom (or whatever concept) with extreme range weapons that one-shots and that contain skills giving them mobility and more burst for that 360-noscope feel. That’s hardly any better in concept than some samurai, monk, ninja, Altair or whatever. To get the Thief to remain a Thief is difficult, and the community doesn’t want a Thief.

RashanDale.3609:

a sneaky dude

MrForz.1953:

That’s a Thief for you?

Yes.

fifteen chars

RashanDale.3609:

Yes.

Very amusing. And what about the rest of the quote?

MrForz.1953:

RashanDale.3609:

Yes.

Very amusing. And what about the rest of the quote?

what about it?

that didnt have to do anything with the question about what a thief is to me

I dont understand why so many thieves here want a 1200r weapon.
I mean 900r are more than enough for a melee class with so much mobility and shadowsteps.

I would love more a chain scythe weapon like a Kusarigama for the thieves and no boring rifle.

Black Teagan.9215:

I dont understand why so many thieves here want a 1200r weapon.
I mean 900r are more than enough for a melee class with so much mobility and shadowsteps.

I would love more a chain scythe weapon like a Kusarigama for the thieves and no boring rifle.

Yeah but warrior who is also a melee class has 2 1200 weapons. I would not like one of my favorite classes to be screwed on range because melee class.

Donut.6914:

I just don’t see how a rifle gives us anything new. Warriors already have a sniper rifle, if you wanna be a sniper just go play Warrior. You can hit 10k killshots in rapid succession from 1500 range, but if you get caught in close quarters you’re screwed. That sounds like what a lot of people are looking for, I just don’t see why Thieves need the exact same thing.

Exactly. And rifle engineer is the highly-mobile blunderbuss-style play we’d come to expect from the other side of things.

I’d really prefer the class to also have the longbow if no new weapons are implemented. We already have obvious skill with the shortbow, so there’s no reason why we couldn’t take on a marksman-type which so many rangers/thieves want from a mobile single-target DPS.

Not to mention, every additional firearms-based build makes P/P worse relatively, and the rifle just doesn’t fit the bill without either copying the warrior’s kit (boring) or changing the class design and feel immensely.

I’m hoping that the thief does get some love elsewhere, but have a feeling we’re just getting the rifle :\

Black Teagan.9215:

I dont understand why so many thieves here want a 1200r weapon.
I mean 900r are more than enough for a melee class with so much mobility and shadowsteps.

I would love more a chain scythe weapon like a Kusarigama for the thieves and no boring rifle.

1200 range would be a huge deal, especially on my D/D stab build, as well as generally in PvP formats, and it would open up more possibilities with less counter-play by better-allowing me to engage a fight properly.

If new weapons are to come, I’d be all-in for a crossbow. It’s definitely the most fitting thematically, and could solve a lot of potential problems like the lack of a 1200 range option, and open up more doors for more mobile styles other classes or builds just can’t bring.

Thieves have a perfect mechanic for wanting to have single and offhand weapons… I would have loved to see duall axes, for the oldfashioned bandit look….

I would really dislike if they added a 2 handed weapon like rifles…

Donut.6914:

Harnel.6810:

On the contrary – warriors have an assault rifle. Yes, it’s still a rifle, but the use is much, much different. When was the last time you saw a sniper do rapid-fire?

The main purpose of the rifle on the Warrior is to take out enemies with Killshot – a 1500 range burst attack. A fully buffed zerker sniper warrior in WvW can 1 hit pretty much any class in the game. It’s also possible to 1 hit multiple enemies with 1 Killshot since rifle shots can be traited to pierce. Most people want Thieves to get a sniper rifle which would function similarly. I get that you like the Sniper-Assassin aesthetic, I do too, but we’re only getting 1 new weapon with this expansion, and I would rather it not be the same thing as what’s already available in-game.

It was stated by people who asked questions at the after party (so take it with a grain of salt) that there are no new weapons. No idea if that means that current weapons have been re-purposed (like land-spears) or not, but supposedly there’s nothing new (yet).

C’ mon guys
Everyone knows we are getting access to a focus.

After all, ANET would’nt be ANET if we don’t get a nerf somewhere.

I hope thieves get rifle !
Will be easy kills ;-)

I’m not sure rifle thief makes sense considering warrior kill shot and lb rangers. The other options are limited though.

If they get staff or gs with current initiative system still I would certainly give it a go. GS weapon skills without CD? Crazy!

I kinda just want a one-handed weapon that can be in MH or OH so that we get a whole slew of new #3 skills in addition to a whole new set…

I can understand the desire for a 1200 range weapon, but I think you have to acknowledge that if we did get such a weapon, it definitely wouldn’t be able to really bursty without some serious drawbacks(meaning it would only really be good for gimmicky quick kills in perfect scenarios) since having something with the power of say ,Killshot, coming out of stealth just screams one-trick pony that will get nerfed anyway, leaving you with a single target, not-so burst weapon that probably wouldn’t be worth it anymore.

as a mainly rifle burst engineer player im looking incredibly forward to using a rifle thief, its genna be especially epic with a predator.

Necrotize.2974:

I kinda just want a one-handed weapon that can be in MH or OH so that we get a whole slew of new #3 skills in addition to a whole new set…

I can understand the desire for a 1200 range weapon, but I think you have to acknowledge that if we did get such a weapon, it definitely wouldn’t be able to really bursty without some serious drawbacks(meaning it would only really be good for gimmicky quick kills in perfect scenarios) since having something with the power of say ,Killshot, coming out of stealth just screams one-trick pony that will get nerfed anyway, leaving you with a single target, not-so burst weapon that probably wouldn’t be worth it anymore.

Kind of more or less why I support the longbow (or better yet, crossbow). Such a weapon would need to have no stealth and no blind access, otherwise it interferes with other sets or synergizes too well with the class’s other effects. Consider something like a fixed-distance, always-forward Infil Arrow as a re-posion skill for a low initiative cost (exactly like how Ink Shot works), but much faster and just the ability to hit at 1200 for reasonable damage on the auto-attack to maintain this distance. It doesn’t need burst damage or stealth or CC or durabiliy so much as something to play into the whole high-speed ranged character model that just focuses on not getting hit, thus the dependency on 1200 ranger over 900. Rifles don’t really fit the bill thematically for this so much as an archery weapon does, and this doesn’t exist anywhere else in the game.

rifle with 10000 range pls. i’ll change my build in a heartbeat.

Expect rifles and you’re going to be disappointed come HoT launch. Get ready for that dual warhorn thief hype, boys!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Expect rifles and you’re going to be disappointed come HoT launch. Get ready for that dual warhorn thief hype, boys!

I’d be happy with a bard…

Viking Jorun.5413:

Expect rifles and you’re going to be disappointed come HoT launch. Get ready for that dual warhorn thief hype, boys!

Skills:
1.) Scream, nearby foes’ ears bleed for 3 sec.
2.) Shriek, nearby foes confuse for 3sec
3.) Beller, nearby allies gain fury 5sec
4.) Laugh, nearby foes are taunted to you
5.) Trumpet, Summon 5 dual pistol wielding thief allies to go “guns ablazing!” On your target.

Justine.6351:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Expect rifles and you’re going to be disappointed come HoT launch. Get ready for that dual warhorn thief hype, boys!

Skills:
1.) Scream, nearby foes’ ears bleed for 3 sec.
2.) Shriek, nearby foes confuse for 3sec
3.) Beller, nearby allies gain fury 5sec
4.) Laugh, nearby foes are taunted to you
5.) Trumpet, Summon 5 dual pistol wielding thief allies to go “guns ablazing!” On your target.