Guild Wars 2

Why did they remove ricochet and the +10% damage trait in the first place? I’m a bit lost here. What was it supposed to accomplish? Why did p/p need nerfing?

Because Tyrian technology isn’t ready for Pistols so they decided to focus it more on Rifles, which are apparently better at Ricocheting bullets.

I can see why they ported pistol mastery over to ankle shots, but honestly pulling ricochet and opportunist completely has really jacked up the spec and killed it pretty much completely.

because they had to cut something since they merged down 65 traits to 45. thats basically the long and short of it.

Because they ran out of space on the Steal tooltip and given basic thief design logic, it was the only real place to put something anyway.

Omg more pp whine.. thise traits were trash for any pp roaming wvw or spvp.. What you should complain about is the low hp poll we got which is kittening kittened..
The only bad thing is the 10% that got stolen from us.. but even then we got the practise tolerance trait which is nice aswell.. Richoshet were for pve scrubs and you dont play thief for pve

Because, whatever the other threads about it covered, that’s why.

Cornholio.1567:

Omg more pp whine.. thise traits were trash for any pp roaming wvw or spvp.. What you should complain about is the low hp poll we got which is kittening kittened..
The only bad thing is the 10% that got stolen from us.. but even then we got the practise tolerance trait which is nice aswell.. Richoshet were for pve scrubs and you dont play thief for pve

Darn. Too bad it’s all gone before you could learn how to use it.

Amuse me pls.. show me the light

Doggie.3184:

Because Tyrian technology isn’t ready for Pistols so they decided to focus it more on Rifles,

Which are only used by 2 professions lol.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Doggie.3184:

Because Tyrian technology isn’t ready for Pistols so they decided to focus it more on Rifles,

Which are only used by 2 professions lol.

And one of those 2 happens to be Anet’s sugarbaby profession.

Cornholio.1567:

Omg more pp whine.. thise traits were trash for any pp roaming wvw or spvp.. What you should complain about is the low hp poll we got which is kittening kittened..
The only bad thing is the 10% that got stolen from us.. but even then we got the practise tolerance trait which is nice aswell.. Richoshet were for pve scrubs and you dont play thief for pve

Not sure who this “you” person is, but I and MANY others most certainly play thief in pve. They’re a fantastic utility class, especially for fractals and dungeons. I always loved the idea of a steampunk-type character gunning down monsters with dual pistols, which is why I always ran it. Ricochet was a fantastic way to at least give it a role besides “haste and unload spam on a single target”. I still use it for boss fights just because it’s fun, but the nerf was really uncalled for.

Oh well. Different day same story. Anet hates thieves. Couldn’t even be assed to come up with a decent elite spec. Just upgrade dodging. Sounds like a ton of fun. Same thing we’ve been doing. They’re not even metaphorically giving us the shaft anymore- we literally got it as our elite weapon.

Also cause the shortbow naturally has ricochet, giving both weapons that feature removes the combat uses of shortbow. To keep each weapon set distinct they do kind of have to not overlap at all (which is why some of the weapon combinations don’t mesh in the slightest).

So the actual loss from the ricochet was the damage and range loss, which may come back if people use all sorts of weapon combos over the next BWE and P/P is without a doubt the weakest set; not just in a build that doesn’t support it, but under best conditions, if the P/P set can’t match a mediocre damage output from S/D, D/P or Staff then it might get addressed. ArenaNet can’t exactly make balance changes before anyone’s tried the new stuff but they might have with assumption they’d get around to bringing lost potential back with the DareDevil traits and maybe forgot, it’s a big game and these changes take a while to implement.

There’s literally no reason to use P/P over short bow.

From what we’ve seen, its most likely because of a future elite spec.

they should have made P/P’s 2nd skill unload, the 3rd dual wield skill as a devil may cry dante style 360 shootabout , with the animation like daggerstorm.

I’ll be playing chronomancer post patch… Thief is kittened…

Forget about unload spamming, the new P/P is Black Powder into traited leap dodge into pewpewpew bleeding and blinds. It looks like a better version of current P/D (same initiative usage, lots of blinds, don’t need to land CnD for the Stealth, can fight close and at range forcing opponents to chase you through your blind fields, your dodges and your stealth).

It also looks to be more fun than 333333333.

I plan to translate my venom share bleeding build to P/P.

Azure Prower.8701:

There’s literally no reason to use P/P over short bow.

On the contrary I plan to use both.

Azure Prower.8701:

There’s literally no reason to use P/P over short bow.

I use P/P for some World Bosses. Tequatl especially, since I never know where to aim with my SB AOE’s when I fight him.

I dunno why they ‘removed it’ and tbh I never understood the hype with p/p. I played it sure but never spent long on it as I found it very boring spammig #3 as therr was nothing really worth using on the rest of the set, #3 through the smoke feilds or any feild is pretty cool though. Not to mentiom that short bow does enough dmg to tag pve things and it’s far superior in pvp then p/p (that’s if you was going to use it over sb)

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

Justine.6351:

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

P/P is a better version of P/D now

Lokheit.7943:

Justine.6351:

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

P/P is a better version of P/D now

No for condition builds

Why was p/p removed?

Beacuse it isnt MONK enough and it cannot be nerfed in the NINJA style !

Justine.6351:

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

No because condition damage was nerfed on zerker builds your p1 from stealth doesn’t deal damage even near the amount required to compete with d/p.

Niels.5396:

Why did they remove ricochet and the +10% damage trait in the first place? I’m a bit lost here. What was it supposed to accomplish? Why did p/p need nerfing?

The Developers team is out of touch with the Community. They don’t ask us what we want, and this is the result.

And there is seem to be no way to get in touch with them anymore.

Dual Pistols – was the funnest spec i played in Gw2.

RiP Thief.

Gamblit.5041:

Niels.5396:

Why did they remove ricochet and the +10% damage trait in the first place? I’m a bit lost here. What was it supposed to accomplish? Why did p/p need nerfing?

The Developers team is out of touch with the Community. They don’t ask us what we want, and this is the result.

And there is seem to be no way to get in touch with them anymore.

Dual Pistols – was the funnest spec i played in Gw2.

RiP Thief.

I believe this fits pretty good as an answer to you

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”
- Henry Ford, founder of Ford Motor Company

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Lokheit.7943:

Justine.6351:

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

P/P is a better version of P/D now

No for condition builds

Yes it is. Same amount of bleeds, same initiative usage rate, you don’t even need to touch them to get your stealth, you also apply lots of blinds for the same cost.

Lokheit.7943:

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Lokheit.7943:

Justine.6351:

I had crazy idea. With daredevil leap finisher dodge could stealthing pp become a thing?

P/P is a better version of P/D now

No for condition builds

Yes it is. Same amount of bleeds, same initiative usage rate, you don’t even need to touch them to get your stealth, you also apply lots of blinds for the same cost.

I was going to argue that p/d dual skill is an important aspect of condi thief but then I realized that is bullkitten because you could have a few blinds and 5 bleeds instead without going to them.
The build would be even more viable for close fighting because of the constant blind fields you keep up.

It’s the world upside down. A zerker set used for conditions, but the zerker set is not viable anymore.
Maybe the set will start working for sinister.