Guild Wars 2

So you are telling me, Dare Devils 1 EXTRA DODGE BAR…is our class mechanic to the druids avatar form, (which has 5 skills left side like death shroud AND 5 flip skill utilities on the right) Like Are you kidding me right now??
I am honestly kittened off, EVERY other class got an incredible addition to their class FOR FREE, our mechanic has been pushed into the GM traits as a choice as repeated countless times. The Dare Devil is in drastic need of a buff at this point. God help us.

Yup we get an extra dodge and staff skills that we cant use with any build! W000000! Druids get 20 new abilities and an amazin celestial form bahahaha.

Not to mention that the only thing we got, staff animation and dodges are completely broken (and RECYCLED), while other specs have tons of new visual effects mechanism and it works fine.

Tabootrinket.2631:

Not to mention that the only thing we got, staff animation and dodges are completely broken (and RECYCLED), while other specs have tons of new visual effects mechanism and it works fine.

Tell me about it, I mean Christ at least make our skills look cool.. if the animations still reek of recycled animations on launch i am soooo done..i have fought and argued for it so much on these forums its not funny, i have even drawn examples of the dodge animations. I just cannot understand why the Daredevil was so lackluster compared to all the others..it is a huge letdown and my excitement for HoT is honestly drowned at this point.

Mr Putin, What do you think about this thief HoT situation?

Tabootrinket.2631:

Not to mention that the only thing we got, staff animation and dodges are completely broken (and RECYCLED), while other specs have tons of new visual effects mechanism and it works fine.

On Dulfys Twitchcon Panel thread on the reddit sub there’s an overview point that basically says “Upcoming content will have stuff that you can’t just dodge to survive.”

If there are chunks of content where we can’t rely on dodges, and our dodges are broken anyway, then we have nothing to worry about. All is well.

Well at least we know our entire elite spec won’t be adequate for survival either.

Same feel here, we got the worst specialization by far.
Been playing thief as main for 2 years, I’m considering starting from scratch on another profession now :/

Shalien.9018:

Well at least we know our entire elite spec won’t be adequate for survival either.

Well with the new dash we can pretty easy run away.

They also get wyverns, those alone outmatch out shiny features

at least with dash you can run away from druid

Mops.5316:

Shalien.9018:

Well at least we know our entire elite spec won’t be adequate for survival either.

Well with the new dash we can pretty easy run away.

“Upcoming content will have stuff that you can’t just dodge to survive.”

Sure you can run, from the pet with Sic’em on and the easy cripple, and the perma swiftness, and the stun….and the leap…. >.> Wait you said run right? I’m lost. Who here thinks Thief population plummets to 0.0001% of player base after HoT release? Unless Beta is incredibly good (and I mean we are so broken, we can kill things 1v1 again without having to be super pro mlg god tier thief player) Thief will just be a legend. In my opinion. My positivity for this class died horribly. Like I tried to be happy, then I saw Scrapper (which is an enormous middle finger to stealth thief) then I see that content bit “some things can’t just be dodged” (which is an enormous middle finger to non-stealth thief). Which leaves what? Good looks? Excuse me, my salt levels have risen.

RedSpectrum.1975:

They also get wyverns, those alone outmatch out shiny features

I think Rangers have been the last kid to get picked long enough we can let them have wyvern pets AS AN APPOLOGY for 3 years of being crapped on.

Wait for the skill balance preview before spreading too much doom yes I know that is too optimistic of me.

Sagat.3285:

Wait for the skill balance preview before spreading too much doom yes I know that is too optimistic of me.

The problem isn’t really about OPness or not (well not the main problem).
You can’t balance inexistent things.

Daredevil has like zero new mechanism compared to other specs who get new stuff to play with.
Our “new” mechanism is just one bar. It’s like let’s say we give the warrior 1000 extra hp and call it their new mechanism.

They went lazy on the Daredevil, and now they’re in a rush to band-aid it and call it a day.

panda the chop chop.4712:

at least with dash you can run away from druid

Based on the video, Druids get what looks like some kind of 900 range leap or something.

Tabootrinket.2631:

Sagat.3285:

Wait for the skill balance preview before spreading too much doom yes I know that is too optimistic of me.

The problem isn’t really about OPness or not (well not the main problem).
You can’t balance inexistent things.

Daredevil has like zero new mechanism compared to other specs who get new stuff to play with.
Our “new” mechanism is just one bar. It’s like let’s say we give the warrior 1000 extra hp and call it their new mechanism.

They went lazy on the Daredevil, and now they’re in a rush to band-aid it and call it a day.

I couldn’t care less about DD except for the fact that Acro got gutted for it. I don’t have to play and hopefully won’t have to play it if core thief is solid I could buy HoT for other things so that balance preview means more to me then “he who knows his name” pleasing fanboys on a stream but I do understand the frustration of many.

They need to go back to the drawing board with DD and iterate 50 more times — utterly pathetic.

It is actually very simple: “our” dev went for balance, other devs went for powercreep/cool stuff + they don’t communicate apprently. So here we go, got short end of the balance stick so to say.

Arctarius.2649:

So you are telling me, Dare Devils 1 EXTRA DODGE BAR…is our class mechanic to the druids avatar form, (which has 5 skills left side like death shroud AND 5 flip skill utilities on the right) Like Are you kidding me right now??
I am honestly kittened off, EVERY other class got an incredible addition to their class FOR FREE, our mechanic has been pushed into the GM traits as a choice as repeated countless times. The Dare Devil is in drastic need of a buff at this point. God help us.

Yeah, it definitely stands out a lot stronger. A lot more features than just a passive that lets you dodge 1 more time. Logged onto my Ranger wondering what it’d be like to just play him instead. XD He has same appearance and name as my Thief too just different hair and coloring. New pets are awesome as well so they get double improved.

Alright, I can’t even take this seriously anymore.

“Let’s give every class lots of cool baseline stuff and let’s give Thieves an extra roll and they have to trait for it… in GM traits”

Just admit it, at this point ANet are just trolling every serious Thief player.

You know what is bigger joke? from dulfy:
Upcoming content will have stuff that you can’t just dodge to survive.
Berserk meta is going away.

No pve/raids for thieves? Ok………
No pvp either considering how overbuffed other classes are. GG. Time for refund.

Cynz.9437:

You know what is bigger joke? from dulfy:
Upcoming content will have stuff that you can’t just dodge to survive.
Berserk meta is going away.

No pve/raids for thieves? Ok………
No pvp either considering how overbuffed other classes are. GG. Time for refund.

RIP…

It sounds like it’s time to see how those of us who were dumb enough to preorder HoT (myself included) can get a refund. I’ll be asking for one, and when they tell me no, I’ll be examining my legal options with my CC company for a chargeback. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Please note that I’m encouraging people to look for legal recourse in their chargeback.

evilapprentice.6379:

It sounds like it’s time to see how those of us who were dumb enough to preorder HoT (myself included) can get a refund. I’ll be asking for one, and when they tell me no, I’ll be examining my legal options with my CC company for a chargeback. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Please note that I’m encouraging people to look for legal recourse in their chargeback.

I’m actually tempted to buy the game just so I can ask for a refund.

Arctarius.2649:

So you are telling me, Dare Devils 1 EXTRA DODGE BAR…is our class mechanic to the druids avatar form, (which has 5 skills left side like death shroud AND 5 flip skill utilities on the right) Like Are you kidding me

No kidding mate. Just deal with it. Thief development team is the worst when it comes to player community engagement. Hats off to engineer team though! Great follow up post by dev lead. I just hope that one day some senior manager will understand this and a performance management whip will be cracked. I will not expect the current direction to take us anywhere. Left, right and centre, embrace nerfs as these developers listen to other professions more than us.

Meh, you people are so pessimistic. I rather have the dodge because I know dodge are useful than a potential pretty but useless mechanic ( overload )

The whole " zerk meta is going away ", " you can’t just dodge to survive" is marketing. They well know Thief is purely based on dodging stuff to survive, especially in pve.

Daredevil is not flashy, but it will get the job done as far as getting us a spec which doesn’t need as much stealth as the others one, and that’s all I’m asking from it.
It’s also pretty obvious we’re gonna get good news from the balance talk on core specs.

I, for one think daredevil looks pretty strong and mostly hella fun, and if I get HoT I will definitely reroll a thief just to play it.

chibbi.3706:

I, for one think daredevil looks pretty strong and mostly hella fun, and if I get HoT I will definitely reroll a thief just to play it.

Having played it in BWE, it’s the worst-performing spec line for the thief. It’s slow, clunky, unattractive, and simply badly-designed and badly-implemented. I see zero reason to stray from any of the current lines because DD is so non-functional aside from condi D/D 3spam which benefits a bit more from this than some other lines.

Picture says it all boys!

Cynz.9437:

It is actually very simple: “our” dev went for balance, other devs went for powercreep/cool stuff + they don’t communicate apprently. So here we go, got short end of the balance stick so to say.

Balance has nothing to do with it. There is a clear and visible LACK of passion and excitement for Daredevil. This stands in stark contrast to the rest.

DeceiverX.8361:

chibbi.3706:

I, for one think daredevil looks pretty strong and mostly hella fun, and if I get HoT I will definitely reroll a thief just to play it.

Having played it in BWE, it’s the worst-performing spec line for the thief. It’s slow, clunky, unattractive, and simply badly-designed and badly-implemented. I see zero reason to stray from any of the current lines because DD is so non-functional aside from condi D/D 3spam which benefits a bit more from this than some other lines.

Engi & revenant reveal spam might force you to stay away from SA

DeceiverX.8361:

chibbi.3706:

I, for one think daredevil looks pretty strong and mostly hella fun, and if I get HoT I will definitely reroll a thief just to play it.

Having played it in BWE, it’s the worst-performing spec line for the thief. It’s slow, clunky, unattractive, and simply badly-designed and badly-implemented. I see zero reason to stray from any of the current lines because DD is so non-functional aside from condi D/D 3spam which benefits a bit more from this than some other lines.

Who said anything about DD condi ?

I think of it as a new build that works like the old S/D thief. I can be wrong of course, but I won’t just straight up believe someone who only tried it for 2 days and played a condi DD build.

Amante.8109:

Cynz.9437:

It is actually very simple: “our” dev went for balance, other devs went for powercreep/cool stuff + they don’t communicate apprently. So here we go, got short end of the balance stick so to say.

Balance has nothing to do with it. There is a clear and visible LACK of passion and excitement for Daredevil. This stands in stark contrast to the rest.

Agree, there’s just no passion at all.

New mechanics:
Guardian – Virtues that project physically in the world
Revenant – Channel a dragon! also a pbaoe that makes boons last longer
Warrior – Fire empowered berserk burst skills
Engineer – Mechanically assisted range finisher and reviver
Ranger – God like healing
Elementalist – Fire tornados, water bubble, lightning striking , earth quake riding madness
Mesmer – Time travel
Necromancer – Improved demonic state

Thief – dodges …..

nopoet.2960:

Thief – dodges …..

A dodge. Which is a lesser version of the minor trait they stole from the acrobatics line a few months ago.

I know I’ve stated this before but it bears repeating because it is so… freaking.. insane… that arenanet considers the daredevil spec something worth the title of “elite”.

nopoet.2960:

New mechanics:
Guardian – Virtues that project physically in the world
Revenant – Channel a dragon! also a pbaoe that makes boons last longer
Warrior – Fire empowered berserk burst skills
Engineer – Mechanically assisted range finisher and reviver
Ranger – God like healing
Elementalist – Fire tornados, water bubble, lightning striking , earth quake riding madness
Mesmer – Time travel
Necromancer – Improved demonic state

Thief – dodges …..

rectification : Thief – dodge ….

Without the “s”. Because apparently our endurance still recharges at the same speed as other endurance bars.

Our elite specialization will be start another profession.

evilapprentice.6379:

It sounds like it’s time to see how those of us who were dumb enough to preorder HoT (myself included) can get a refund. I’ll be asking for one, and when they tell me no, I’ll be examining my legal options with my CC company for a chargeback. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Please note that I’m encouraging people to look for legal recourse in their chargeback.

Well I work for my bank and I have no problem in charging my money back if they don’t want to refund me. I do it every day for customers that need it.

Kolly.9872:

evilapprentice.6379:

It sounds like it’s time to see how those of us who were dumb enough to preorder HoT (myself included) can get a refund. I’ll be asking for one, and when they tell me no, I’ll be examining my legal options with my CC company for a chargeback. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Please note that I’m encouraging people to look for legal recourse in their chargeback.

Well I work for my bank and I have no problem in charging my money back if they don’t want to refund me. I do it every day for customers that need it.

Your account will get banned, just saying, you might care.

Tabootrinket.2631:

rectification : Thief – dodge ….

Sounds more like a “rectumification” to me :-(

Kageseigi.2150:

Tabootrinket.2631:

rectification : Thief – dodge ….

Sounds more like a “rectumification” to me :-(

lol good one

assassin.7895:

Kolly.9872:

evilapprentice.6379:

It sounds like it’s time to see how those of us who were dumb enough to preorder HoT (myself included) can get a refund. I’ll be asking for one, and when they tell me no, I’ll be examining my legal options with my CC company for a chargeback. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Please note that I’m encouraging people to look for legal recourse in their chargeback.

Well I work for my bank and I have no problem in charging my money back if they don’t want to refund me. I do it every day for customers that need it.

Your account will get banned, just saying, you might care.

I couldn’t care less at this time. I spent a great amount of money in this game month after month, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, just because I believed in it and trusted the devs work. Then my hopes were disappointed and since money it’s the only thing that realy matters, I want mine back.

Class mechanic wise thiefs are second last:P only engineers are behind.

Killyox.3950:

Class mechanic wise thiefs are second last:P only engineers are behind.

How the hell are engineers behind? We are last. period.

Y’know
Everyone was cracking wise about the name, “huh huh Daredevil makes you a blind superhero” but, y’know
At this point I would accept that.
I would take that.

I just want to give a bit of advice…I think the title of this thread should be
“You kitten me?”

Yeah….

Maybe it’s the way they presented things… But now that have seen ALL the elite specs, DrD seems very lackluster. Maybe it’s the very awkward looking animations (the twirls, the idling…), maybe it’s our base trait line getting gutted beforehand, maybe it’s because it doesn’t really bring anything new besides revival of old builds (partially due to the gutting)…. The mechanic for it looks very thin as well, “hey let’s just give an extra dodge…” not to mention that the grandmaster traits are pretty much the mechanic as well (so, 3 less traits, kind of, to bring out the full mechanic of the elite spec…).

Also, I don’t think the thief will have a place in HoT, even in general PvE… During the druid reveal the guy was saying how the HoT environment is more harsh and dangerous – and more conditions…

:/ Can’t say that the elite spec is a selling point for me. If anything it’s a turn off.

Still watching the stream, and gotta watch the raid one tomorrow before I come closer to a conclusion of buying it or not…

Bright side is, they’re not doing anything conversational at this point (like handling the bundling poorly).

Also, kind of happy for rangers, they really needed something shinny. – Not being sarcastic or anything.

Killyox.3950:

Class mechanic wise thiefs are second last:P only engineers are behind.

I’ll take the scrapper’s hammer skills over our staff skills ANY DAY