What’s REALLY insulting the bizzare and inexplicable dev logic that because warrior is ALLEGEDLY “easy to play” it’s not allowed to be strong.
Except that the very fact that warrior is simplistic and blatantly lacking tools makes it one of the hardest classes to be effective on? So it’s a double downward spiral – this has never been more evident with the Elite specializations giving every other class new tools out the honker while warrior, according to the devs, doesn’t deserve it for being the “beginner class”
Warrior has always been the most straightforward playstyle to use, and I think it’s a good thing. I turned to warrior because when I was new I wanted this heavily armored bruiser and that’s exactly what I got.
I really like the Arenanet staff, for the most part they have done a good job. The state warrior is in right now reminds me a lot of mesmer pre june patch. They had double ranged shatter (which was thief bait) and were required to take IP and DE to be useful in competitive play. Berserker has a lot of good ideas, it’s just not fully realized. I think they should slowly shift away from labeling warrior as a “beginner class” and give the people who legitamately like warrior more things to work with.
Guardian has also been straightforward to play and they have a solid condi build (burn), solid support (AH guard) solid dps (dragonhunter) all of which have some tricks to keep them afloat like aegis, traps, healing. Compare that divserisity to warrior, the “weapon masters,” guardian sort of seems more diverse.
Agree. On the livestream in which they presented the Berserker, in which Robert and Hugh talked about the warrior as a class and the new elite spec, they said they tried some more complicated skills and longer descriptions to skills (skills that have more requirements, or secondary effects, etc, etc) but in the end they decided that’s not what the warrior is about. They said the warrior is a straight forward class and they felt the elite spec should be something simple so they ended up making what we currently get to play. Of course I’m not quoting them, but that’s more or less what they said, watch the livestream again on their youtube channel if you think I’m making stuff up. Jokingly, they said warrior is about bashing things in the head and that’s it, no need for complicated skills and skill descriptions, just press a key and do damage.
I also picked the warrior because I like the play style and how it actually is a simple class in terms of class mechanics and skills. I main a warrior since head start and I do love the class. But the elite spec is not a warrior, it’s a Berserker. What stops you from giving the new elite spec new tools for the main class to interact/work with?
Warrior is simple and lacks variety in options when it comes to dealing with certain situations; we have tons of combo finishers but up until the berserker only 1 combo field, now 2, and both are fire fields. So for example why didn’t you address this and gave us more combo fields? We have plenty of leaps and launches and pushbacks and stuns, now we get even more and nothing to diversify our current set of utilities. We got access to the same condition we’ve had access to, just more of it. Why not something different? Like I said in my previous post, what about taunt? Where do we see taunt on berserker except on a trait that has 15sec cd and 1 sec taunt? And speaking of taunt, in the whole game afaik taunt only exist on ranger f2 and the revenant’s Jalis legend. And even if it’s not about taunt, if it’s about a different condi that warrior has no access to. Or pulls, warrior has no access to pulls? What about these? But we do have utilities that are leap finishers, that launch and that push back. We have that skill category already and it’s called Physical skills. Why did we get more of that and not more of what we have little of or not access to? Maybe some utilities that compliment stances or shouts in some way? Some utilities with actual utility rather than being there for pure damage and hard cc?
Yes, we get it, warrior is simple, that’s ok and we love the warrior. But the elite spec is not a warrior, it’s something different, so give it something different to diversify the current set of utility skills the warrior has. If people love the simplicity of the warrior they can choose to play the core specs and not the elite one. That should not stop the devs from developing a more elaborate elite spec for a class as simple as the warrior. Give the warrior more utilities that are actually utilities, not just skills being there for the pure damage – we have our weapons for that, don’t turn our right skill bar into 3rd weapon slot, although it’s a bit too late for that. But I hope you’ll consider this and keep it in mind when developing the next warrior elite spec, or when/if you decide to change some of the Rage skills.
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For Rage pull skill, you could have the Berserker throw burning chains on enemies within let’s say 600 range (skill effect similar to Jalis’ taunt skill) that continuously burn targets, and when you click the skill again you’d pull all enemies towards you and break the chains, dealing some small physical damage or no damage at all, doesn’t matter. Just please make some of them different, make them have different effects! Rage and Physical skills are basically the same right now.
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Outrage is a good utility and the reflect to Shattering Blow adds utility to it and makes it unique. In my opinion these 2 are good, Outrage for any build and Shattering Blow would give some more utility to a condi build, if you decide to use it.
Wild Blow – I don’t like the functionality of this skill, mentioned it in an earlier post, I think making it an AOE knockdown would be far more useful for a melee themed class.
Sundering Leap – I like that you could use it as a gap closer, but like I said we have stuff for that, Bull’s Charge. For stacking vuln at range we have ‘On My Mark!’. We don’t have an utility that pulls enemies, so give us that and if you want make it stack vuln. Gave an idea with the burning chains skill.
Headbutt – I think it’s a really strong skill. Bland but strong, full adrenaline refill + 3sec stun on a low cd.
So yeah, decided to also say some positive things about the new elite spec’s utility skills, but all in all they really strongly resemble the Physical skills in their current form. Giving them unique effects would help them feel more different despite the similar theme they have. If you ask me – change Wild Blow and Sundering Leap and it’s ok with me.
Still though, I’d like our future elite spec to have thematically different type of utilities that really feel different to what warrior already has as a class.
. I have higher survivability and I can cause a “fair” damage. I like new skills for the torch.