Guild Wars 2

Ryou.2398:

babazhook.6805:

Ryou.2398:

Turk.5460:

Blue.1207:

Power War is absolutely dead to me. Not only is it next to impossible to duel a good player, but the sluggishness of the class makes it very unenjoyable to play.

Power Warrior? The only thing thats changed on power Warrior to make it somewhat sluggish is shield bash having a quarter of a second more cast time. And if a quarter second on one skill is enough to make it impossible for you to duel a good player…maybe you aren’t a good enough player to engage in 1v1 duels regardless…

Update: I just read in a thread on the thief forum where you mentioned you believe thieves are “stupidly OP.” Now I know for sure that you shouldn’t be engaging in 1v1 duels until you learn more aspects of GW2.

Why do people in gw2 forums always check people’s post history? They very fact you seek dirt on them speaks volumes and makes you loose credibility. And shows you just want to prove something wrong then actually changing anything good for the game this is not Reddit.

I do not think you understand he meaning of credibility. Credibility tends to be assigned to a person based upon their history and past statements or actions. Examining the posting history would be fundamental in deciding whether or not a person credible when it comes to a given issue.

If you are deciding whether or not a Politician you might vote for credible or worthy of your vote or has a platfrom that you will or will not support do you simply ignore all he has said and done BEFORE his last statement on a given issue?

Do that and you are going to have a bad Government.

No you loose credibility when you prove your doing it for ego, and comparing politics is silly this is a video game in an debate about class skills, if you are looking for dirt then you are only doing it for personal gain period.

You still have no clue as to how credibility is earned. I am sorry but If I post one day that “I can kill any class in 4 seconds or less on my build” and then the next post “my class is UP and needs boosts to his skills” then the earlier post entirely relevant and speaks to my credibility whether this is a GAME or not.

That someone else whould point out that inconsistency is hardly an issue of ego or “trying to dig up dirt”. I can understand you do not get that .

Choppy:
I don’t disagree that some things should be changed or toned down. But I believe anything that does should follow the logic of this previous post of mine:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Ghost-thief-needs-to-go/6535798

But that’s not the case with things like certain things on Warrior that were overtuned. Or any other profession that had over tuned aspects. Again tho, let’s leave the actual discussion on that profession to that forum.

Lol first they accuse you of not playing warrior from a post made 2 years ago then they challenged you to take a screen shot, priceless.

Well to be fair I offered the screenshot, albeit with a “srsly?” Kind of attitude.

babazhook.6805:

And daredevils received nerfs.

They actually got a buff for wvw, since the nerfs were all pvp only and the buffs were universal. That said, those nerfs aren’t in the areas I mentioned.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not personally calling for nerfs. I was just responding to Turk’s comment about thieves vs warriors and pointing out the justification for warrior nerfs was no stronger than more significant nerfs to thieves that are still needed (for small scale).

Turk.5460:

nicknamenick.2437:

@ Turk,

Its not only your perspective from WvW.. ppl play other game modes you know?

All you do is: stop complaining L2p nothing wrong, little kittenes/drama queens i find no problems because i ignore the other gamemodes where it hits harder but i dont care..

thats how you act here, and thats what you do all day.

About your warrior, i never saw you posting here in warrior topic. never ever.
And now you feel the need to call ppl out for drama queens and L2p? lol seems like somebody just enjoys the nerfs because your a Thief.

Also you find it annoying tho sit there reading everything and to reply every single topic with l2p? dude, you dont have to and if its about PvP what issnt your gamemode and you dont care, then dont reply to them.

http://imgur.com/a/gGw2u

Here you go, almost every hour other than tome-levelling and making gear spent in small scale or solo-roam WvW. The fact that I even had to do this tells me you’re not even going to care, as you’re simply looking for people to agree with your opinions.

My thief rarely lost to power Warriors 1v1, nerfs to warrior does little to benefit my thief experience, please stop with the stretching.

@Choppy: The difference is Thieve’s defenses are entirely active. And if they mess up once, they’re usually a goner or have to completely disengage. If anything else messes up, they have many more chances to continue fighting and still win. Thats the tradeoff that a ton of people just can’t grasp the concept of. We can continue this discussion on the thief forums if you’d like.

So you played 200 hours? Thats about 5% of mine warrior hours.. and allot of other warrior players here.
What i dont get if you do understand warrior on those very few hours. Is that you now feel the need to reply to every single post here and start posting that the nerfs are not a problem. While you just ignore the fact that the post could be for pve or pvp. Where there are just few and needed nerfs for wvw

Anet you guys screwed the pooch on this one, never ever increase skill time animation. Playing warrior now just feels slow, good players could spot the tell with our moves but now everyone does. Yes, warriors needed a nerf that much was certain but to give us skill lag is ridiculous.

Decrease skill damage by x amount, increase cd of a skill or hell shave some hp off of us. Those are nerfs that make sense and don’t go against the fundamentals that guild wars 2 prides itself on.

Hanth.2978:

Anet you guys screwed the pooch on this one, never ever increase skill time animation. Playing warrior now just feels slow, good players could spot the tell with our moves but now everyone does. Yes, warriors needed a nerf that much was certain but to give us skill lag is ridiculous.

Decrease skill damage by x amount, increase cd of a skill or hell shave some hp off of us. Those are nerfs that make sense and don’t go against the fundamentals that guild wars 2 prides itself on.

Or decrease its aoe range like every player warrior or not even metioned..
Shield bash got buffed 1 year ago or something from 1 to 2 sec stun. And now they increase its casttime? Why not revert to 1 sec stun like the skill bas been for 4 years before that.
Headbut was indeed crazy good. Cant deny that.. but what cares for pve? Split it.

nicknamenick.2437:

Hanth.2978:

Anet you guys screwed the pooch on this one, never ever increase skill time animation. Playing warrior now just feels slow, good players could spot the tell with our moves but now everyone does. Yes, warriors needed a nerf that much was certain but to give us skill lag is ridiculous.

Decrease skill damage by x amount, increase cd of a skill or hell shave some hp off of us. Those are nerfs that make sense and don’t go against the fundamentals that guild wars 2 prides itself on.

Or decrease its aoe range like every player warrior or not even metioned..
Shield bash got buffed 1 year ago or something from 1 to 2 sec stun. And now they increase its casttime? Why not revert to 1 sec stun like the skill bas been for 4 years before that.
Headbut was indeed crazy good. Cant deny that.. but what cares for pve? Split it.

I agree with both of you. Berserker was certainly due for some nerfs, but reduced damage, increased cool downs, and reduced range (for AD) would have been easier for them to implement, less disruptive, and easier to fine tune.

I dont main warrior but i do agree that shield bash and headbutt nerf was a bit too much.
tbh i didnt have any problems with headbutt or shield bash,
problem was that arc divider makes it too easy to get 3 stacks of adrenal health..

this patch clearly shows that anet balance team got no idea wtf they are doing…

nicknamenick.2437:

So you played 200 hours? Thats about 5% of mine warrior hours.. and allot of other warrior players here.
What i dont get if you do understand warrior on those very few hours. Is that you now feel the need to reply to every single post here and start posting that the nerfs are not a problem. While you just ignore the fact that the post could be for pve or pvp. Where there are just few and needed nerfs for wvw

You’re so delusional that you rounded 82 down to 0. 282 hours is a lot of time to understand a profession. If it takes you longer, then you must have spent a lot of time repeating certain years in school. Especially since most of that time was post-HoT, where the gameplay of professions has seen some great changes over the “4000 hours” you’ve supposedly spent on a warrior.

As for replying to posts? Every post I’ve replied to had the context of WvW. “I can’t duel anyone” – How many NPCs are you dueling, and how often does one “duel” in PvP? “Anyone can dodge my AD now!” How many NPC’s do you recall dodge attacks? The replies where the originator showed no context deserved a vague and ambiguous “L2P” when their post is something completely useless like “omg war sux now” This is why you can’t be taken seriously, you’re not even reading my posts before attacking them, all you see is someone who disagrees with you and immediately in your closed-mind they are wrong.

Grow up. (You may have heard me say this in an earlier post, but probably not due to what I wrote above.)

By the way, assuming you spent 4000 hours on your warrior, and you’ve been playing for 5 years, that means you’ve spent 2 hours a day, every day M-F playing your Warrior, and by the tone of your posts, probably A LOT in PvE, much more so than competitively. Thats not much more than the hour a day I’ve spent over the past year, almost exclusively in WvW roaming.

Oh, an afterthought: Lets see your screenshot.

Turk.5460:

nicknamenick.2437:

So you played 200 hours? Thats about 5% of mine warrior hours.. and allot of other warrior players here.
What i dont get if you do understand warrior on those very few hours. Is that you now feel the need to reply to every single post here and start posting that the nerfs are not a problem. While you just ignore the fact that the post could be for pve or pvp. Where there are just few and needed nerfs for wvw

You’re so delusional that you rounded 82 down to 0. 282 hours is a lot of time to understand a profession. If it takes you longer, then you must have spent a lot of time repeating certain years in school. Especially since most of that time was post-HoT, where the gameplay of professions has seen some great changes over the “4000 hours” you’ve supposedly spent on a warrior.

As for replying to posts? Every post I’ve replied to had the context of WvW. “I can’t duel anyone” – How many NPCs are you dueling, and how often does one “duel” in PvP? “Anyone can dodge my AD now!” How many NPC’s do you recall dodge attacks? The replies where the originator showed no context deserved a vague and ambiguous “L2P” when their post is something completely useless like “omg war sux now” This is why you can’t be taken seriously, you’re not even reading my posts before attacking them, all you see is someone who disagrees with you and immediately in your closed-mind they are wrong.

Grow up. (You may have heard me say this in an earlier post, but probably not due to what I wrote above.)

By the way, assuming you spent 4000 hours on your warrior, and you’ve been playing for 5 years, that means you’ve spent 2 hours a day, every day M-F playing your Warrior, and by the tone of your posts, probably A LOT in PvE, much more so than competitively. Thats not much more than the hour a day I’ve spent over the past year, almost exclusively in WvW roaming.

Oh, an afterthought: Lets see your screenshot.

I’m 100% convinced your soul purpose on the Warrior forums is to shut down threads.

Blue.1207:

I’m 100% convinced your soul purpose on the Warrior forums is to shut down threads.

Currently, its to provide opposition to the posts that don’t agree with the changes, but don’t offer their thoughts on alternatives, because there’s no denying that power zerker was over-performing for minimal effort.

Blue, do you think that nerfs shouldn’t have happend, at all, whatsoever?

Turk.5460:

Blue.1207:

I’m 100% convinced your soul purpose on the Warrior forums is to shut down threads.

Currently, its to provide opposition to the posts that don’t agree with the changes, but don’t offer their thoughts on alternatives, because there’s no denying that power zerker was over-performing for minimal effort.

Blue, do you think that nerfs shouldn’t have happend, at all, whatsoever?

Your opposition is pointless since ANET already went through with the changes, stop trying to defend them now that they’re surfaced and have made the class feel like crap.

The removal of proc sigils in PvP has proven to be enough of a DPS loss for power warrior on it’s own. The increased cast times (as has been repeated 100x in this thread) has introduced a counter play to the class that is far too excessive. There’s no minimal effort involved, all players (good or bad) had to do what DODGE. The ability had an easy tell, much like how good players can counter thieves stealth by TIMING their dodges or blocks.

This is like saying, “Yeah thieves stealth is too strong, in addition to keeping revealed, there will now be a fade time on all stealth skills, making it so a full stealth effect takes 3/4ths of a second instead of instantly.”

Seems fair and reasonable yeah?

Prior to this I may have argued that Arc Divider needed it’s range toned down, but that’s it really. But now we have a melee brawler who is forced to do all of it’s damage in melee ranged severely gutted in regards to damage output and survivability while classes that can provide ranged dps can sit back and win effortlessly via attrition, disengaging and kiting.

Whats the point of playing warrior in this current meta now?

Blue.1207:

Your opposition is pointless since ANET already went through with the changes, stop trying to defend them now that they’re surfaced and have made the class feel like crap.

Complaining about the changes is pointless since ANET already went through with the changes. Stop trying to complain them into reverting, as I believe the class is still incredibly playable and enjoyable in all game modes. (Did you notice how I post an opinion as an opinion, where you post your opinion as its a fact? That is why I respond to all these negative attitudes.)

Your posts are riddled with hypocrisy, anyway.

Turk.5460:

Blue.1207:

Your opposition is pointless since ANET already went through with the changes, stop trying to defend them now that they’re surfaced and have made the class feel like crap.

Complaining about the changes is pointless since ANET already went through with the changes. Stop trying to complain them into reverting, as I believe the class is still incredibly playable and enjoyable in all game modes. (Did you notice how I post an opinion as an opinion, where you post your opinion as its a fact? That is why I respond to all these negative attitudes.)

Your posts are riddled with hypocrisy, anyway.

Terrible arguments aside what you’re not adding anything constructive to this thread, might as well stop while you’re behind.

You may believe it, but congrats on being in the minority, the amount of people expressing their disdain for the change in pacing of the warrior is enough to deafen your argument to the point of simply “trolling”.

this thread is salty and loopy, thanks to t…k regardless of how much ‘opinion’ and balance you pretend it’s not.

for warrior builds that have had nerf this is a place to vent and work out alternatives.
kitten off

I have half a mind to go on thieves forums and talk rubbish but then think no, I’m not a kitten..
this is why everyone’s on reddit.

Typical pvp player that’s not a warrior: " I’m gonna play a class I only play once in a while to have fun."

Warrior then kicks ass of typical pvp player and he has been on warrior longer than the typical pvp player.

Typical pvp player that’s not a warrior: " Warriors are overpowered anet needs to nerf warrior because I can’t kill them, then I’m gonna blame the loss on the warrior on my team because I don’t like warriors (she/he) is super strong but threw my match"

Miko.4158:

for warrior builds that have had nerf this is a place to vent and work out alternatives.
kitten off

Where are the alternatives? The forums isn’t a place to vent, its a place to discuss. All the “venting” here is salty “boohoo the game is ruined” anyway. Since I love this game, I defend the changes, because I feel as though its not ruined. And unlike the vast majority of the crying babies that are upset about these changes, I’m being civil until someone directs their salt towards me. Someone even got so salty earlier to rudely PM me in game (then blocked me immediately before I could say “k”) Apparently simply disagreeing with some people is enough to be marked for childish behaviors.

Do explain how everyone’s opinion is somehow not an opinion. Go on, I’d love to hear this one.

Turk.5460:

Someone even got so salty earlier to rudely PM me in game (then blocked me immediately before I could say “k”)

Lmao. Oh man, that’s super lame, and I’m pretty sure grounds to have their warrior license revoked.

Choppy.4183:

babazhook.6805:

And daredevils received nerfs.

They actually got a buff for wvw, since the nerfs were all pvp only and the buffs were universal. That said, those nerfs aren’t in the areas I mentioned.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not personally calling for nerfs. I was just responding to Turk’s comment about thieves vs warriors and pointing out the justification for warrior nerfs was no stronger than more significant nerfs to thieves that are still needed (for small scale).

Understood , but the warrior recieved boosts WvW to underused skills as well in WvW. The nerfs to P vP tend to follow into WvW on the next patch iteration. Added reveals to other classes is in fact a nerf to thief.

As to the warrior specifically I do play a couple of builds and think all of the ones made justified outside the shield one which I am ambivalent on. I do think the range on arc divider needs to be cut (I would remove the shield cast time add and cut arc divider range to 300) The headbutt change is fine. It still a powerful skill with a 20 second cooldown.

Just FYI I do NOT use shield in either of my warrior builds and do use headbutt.

The thief nerfs that applied to PvP do enough to shave the thief to a needed place and I suspect we will see them in WvW soon.

I tend to read all of your posts and am in agreement with much of what you say. Unlike so many others it not all “Anet hates my class and class YYY the spoiled brats” type which quite frankly I do not find much worth reading . The person might make some good points but it lost in the presentation.

I just went and tried out my warrior after the changes and in PvP, she’s completely worthless now. That timed delay is so easy to avoid that it’s just pointless.

I’m so frustrated that my favorite character is so broken.

babazhook.6805:

Understood , but the warrior recieved boosts WvW to underused skills as well in WvW. The nerfs to P vP tend to follow into WvW on the next patch iteration. Added reveals to other classes is in fact a nerf to thief.

As to the warrior specifically I do play a couple of builds and think all of the ones made justified outside the shield one which I am ambivalent on. I do think the range on arc divider needs to be cut (I would remove the shield cast time add and cut arc divider range to 300) The headbutt change is fine. It still a powerful skill with a 20 second cooldown.

Just FYI I do NOT use shield in either of my warrior builds and do use headbutt.

The thief nerfs that applied to PvP do enough to shave the thief to a needed place and I suspect we will see them in WvW soon.

I tend to read all of your posts and am in agreement with much of what you say. Unlike so many others it not all “Anet hates my class and class YYY the spoiled brats” type which quite frankly I do not find much worth reading . The person might make some good points but it lost in the presentation.

The axe buffs will help in duels, but I’ve not seen nor figured out a way to capitalize on them while roaming (I find mobility just too important now).

I’d like to see the AD change reverted in favour of cutting the range, as you noted, though I’d favour cutting it to 250 or less. I’d also favour reverting the Headbutt change in favour of cutting the damage by 1/3 (make it a 2x power scale instead of 3x) and increasing the CD. Shield bash change should be reverted completely.

I’d let that ride for a bit, and then see if the warrior still seemed overtuned on sustain. As it stands, it feels like the warrior is fairly easily outplayed because it isn’t enough of a threat during the period when it has stances off CD and/or access to berserk mode. That might be a matter of innovating and getting used to the changes, but I think it might be a bit more than that. Time will tell.

And yeah, there’s way too much anguish over these changes. Then again, I’ve played warrior during periods when it was truly in the trash heap, and we’re still stronger now than we were then. As for thief, I’m reeeeealllly looking forward to those nerfs being moved to wvw.

Turk.5460:

Miko.4158:

for warrior builds that have had nerf this is a place to vent and work out alternatives.
kitten off

Where are the alternatives? The forums isn’t a place to vent, its a place to discuss. All the “venting” here is salty “boohoo the game is ruined” anyway. Since I love this game, I defend the changes, because I feel as though its not ruined. And unlike the vast majority of the crying babies that are upset about these changes, I’m being civil until someone directs their salt towards me. Someone even got so salty earlier to rudely PM me in game (then blocked me immediately before I could say “k”) Apparently simply disagreeing with some people is enough to be marked for childish behaviors.

Do explain how everyone’s opinion is somehow not an opinion. Go on, I’d love to hear this one.

This is the warrior forum. You are going to come into the warrior forum and tell all the warriors who live here, in this castle specifically made to house their kind, that they can’t vent, or even CRY about warrior things?

Is this what you said?

Maybe that’s how things are in Thief forum, but who are you to say what the Warrior forum is or is not for?

there’s also a fair amount of warrior salt kitten all passive blocks, easy to play I just hit my skills on cooldown, low skill threshold, thiefs are the best blah blah blah and they wonder why people get angry? its nonsense thiefs 1v1 warriors everytime and seek them out so why call for nerfs? on the grandisio ‘behalf of the game’ its all delusional.

Miko.4158:

there’s also a fair amount of warrior salt kitten all passive blocks, easy to play I just hit my skills on cooldown, low skill threshold, thiefs are the best blah blah blah and they wonder why people get angry? its nonsense thiefs 1v1 warriors everytime and seek them out so why call for nerfs? on the grandisio ‘behalf of the game’ its all delusional.

tbh Ive seen more berserkers take thieves out than the other way around. Maybe there are a lot of bad thieves out there or maybe there are bad berserkers but this is what I have noticed.

? our guild thieves target warriors specifically it takes a while but they know they will win 9/10. scrappers they leave alone.
its pretty common across our server/wvw.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

tbh Ive seen more berserkers take thieves out than the other way around. Maybe there are a lot of bad thieves out there or maybe there are bad berserkers but this is what I have noticed.

The changes to Headbutt, Shield Bash, and Arc Divider should tip that scale. We’ll have to see, but those increased telegraphs and slowed burst give thieves more breathing room to work with.

Choppy.4183:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

tbh Ive seen more berserkers take thieves out than the other way around. Maybe there are a lot of bad thieves out there or maybe there are bad berserkers but this is what I have noticed.

The changes to Headbutt, Shield Bash, and Arc Divider should tip that scale. We’ll have to see, but those increased telegraphs and slowed burst give thieves more breathing room to work with.

This I have no doubt will help, however a few of thieves I know havent come across a fair fight vs berserker to really test out (Well…I lie…Ive come across one we were partied with in WvW from another server and attacked them…they attached back but I was beating them down til another person stepped in from my side). No idea if they tried HB tho…tbh I dont know if many people know what the animation looks like.

This is def going to be tested. In theory it till help, however its a theory.

As for the shield nerf…that was un-needed imo. Arc needed range or damaged toned down so it was weird the nerf that got instead. despite the warmup times, the quickness going to god mode (rage mode) still makes the burst quick (i don’t know what the animation is for HB so I just get in, do some damage and gtfo as usually you guys try headbutt as soon as you are in range).

Also imo, the speed of headbutt was fine, as was the range, however i think that if the amount of adrenaline was scaled back about 50%, that would have been fine. That way HB isnt as sluggish and even though it wouldn’t instafill the rage bar, it still makes it jump a bunch. Just a couple of AA’s after and you would be golden.

Turk.5460:

Miko.4158:

for warrior builds that have had nerf this is a place to vent and work out alternatives.
kitten off

Where are the alternatives? The forums isn’t a place to vent, its a place to discuss. All the “venting” here is salty “boohoo the game is ruined” anyway. Since I love this game, I defend the changes, because I feel as though its not ruined. And unlike the vast majority of the crying babies that are upset about these changes, I’m being civil until someone directs their salt towards me. Someone even got so salty earlier to rudely PM me in game (then blocked me immediately before I could say “k”) Apparently simply disagreeing with some people is enough to be marked for childish behaviors.

Do explain how everyone’s opinion is somehow not an opinion. Go on, I’d love to hear this one.

In PvE warrior was not ruined but in PvP/WvW I’m not sure how you can honestly defend the changes. All Anet did was slow down the game play, that’s my issue. Now that the tells have been made obvious to every two bit pvp player, opposing players have no problem dodging incoming “key” attacks. I had no problems before with good players evading attacks because it was just good pvp on their part. What we have now though are just lumbering slow maneuvers that get out-maneuvered with ease.

You want to nerf our AoE range? that’s fair. Nerf our healing sig? again? they did by 10% again and it’s fine. Nerf our endure pain stances? again they did and it was justified. But nerfing game speed is ridiculous.

Turk.5460:

daw.4923:

can you please share with me,who are these glassy ppl in pvp?…

…you shoud rly try eat some shots from guardian,his legendary shot which pushing 5 ppl and hitting for 6k is legendary.

There’s your glass ppl in pvp.

guard is glass class son? nice b8 m8. you shoud leave this forum you troll.

Who said anything about pvp? I am referring to wvw where I have been on both ends of the 8k head butts.

What I have noticed is that yeah is sure does suck in 1v1 now but in team fights (larger then 4 people) it’s still very easy to land with so much stuff going on.

I dunno about pvp, but I dunked on kids all weekend with warrior in wvw. 100 range increase to headbutt is a noticeable buff and I hardly pay attention to the cast time increases. I really don’t recall an instance of missing a hit due to a cast time.

Quality players dodged headbutt before, bads still eat it. Arc Divider still hits almost everyone.

But that being said, I probably wouldn’t touch warrior or guardian in spvp now. Not that I intend to spvp anyway.

daw.4923:

Turk.5460:

daw.4923:

can you please share with me,who are these glassy ppl in pvp?…

…you shoud rly try eat some shots from guardian,his legendary shot which pushing 5 ppl and hitting for 6k is legendary.

There’s your glass ppl in pvp.

guard is glass class son? nice b8 m8. you shoud leave this forum you troll.

You must be very new to this game. Welcome to GW2! I hope you enjoy it! If you keep at it, you’ll be out of bronze tier very soon I bet! Heres a tip for your beginner’s PvP journey:

In order for a Guard to consistently hit for 6k in SPvP, he would have to be using the Berserker’s or Marauder’s amulet. And with base hp the same as a thief (11k), he’d be pretty squishy. Another way to get a high hit like that is if he used Dragon’s Maw as his elite. A skill that is rarely used outside of the Bronze Tier (beginners).

Good luck, friend!