Condition warr build, spvp, need help

Condition warr build, spvp, need help

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Posted by: Swiftborne.2650

Swiftborne.2650

Hey guys, I’m new to build making so I apologize if this build is complete garbage. Basically I wanted to make a condition build for my warr with a good bit of survivability. Wanted to know your opinion if this is good, bad or just plain ugly. Tried to best represent it here: http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mMRkmo9cmRahmmRahm0xGG0cVsMRzR8khT7khG7khT7070M7kIa70V7ow18ofj

Traits: 0/30/20/20/0

Arms- deep cuts (III), rending strikes (V), Opportunist (IX)
Deep cuts is pretty self explanatory, this build is going to mainly be focusing on stacking bleeds, so the longer the bleeds last the better. I put rending strikes because I’m going to have a lot of precision in this build (65% w/o fury), and near-permanent fury through utility and traits. This grants me a fair amount of vul of the enemy. Opportunist works great w/ tactics I (which grants a 1-sec immo when I cripple, thus granting fury whenever I cripple)

Defense- Dogged march (II), last stand (VIII)
Dogged march is pretty self-explanatory. The less time I spend crippled/chilled/imo, the more time I can spend putting up bleeds on my target. last stand is pretty self-explanatory too. acts as a passive stun breaker in addition to shake it off.

Tactics- Leg specialist (I), Lung Capacity (VIII)
Leg specialist helps mini-root targets so that I can stay on them longer, and works great with Opportunist. Lung capacity seemed like a staple seeing as I’m running 2 shouts in this build.

Weapons: sword/sword and rifle
Went with these options because between the 2 of them, they each have a consistent bleed adder (skill 1 for both), and each have a cripple among to 2 of them, which works nicely with my traits. the sword/sword combo on its own can close distances with skill 2 and apply a long range bleed with skill 4. 3 out of the 5 skills can potentially add a bleed, so bleed will tend to add up nicely. The rifle further expands this builds long range capabilities, adding a steady steam of bleeds and kiting ablility if need be. Went with this combo because it’ill allow me to keep my bleeds up on the target from any range, while giving me nice single target CC.

Utilities: Mending, For Great Justice, Shake it Off, Signet of Fury, Signet of Rage
mending is self-explanatory. Best pvp heal, given that it removes 2 conditions. Both For Great Justice and Shake it off have a 20 sec cd with the shout trait, allowing them to have a fair amount of use in battle. FGJ allows me to have a consistent amount of fury and might at any given time and shake it off gives further condition removal and is another stun breaker in addition to the trait. SoF self-explanatory. SoR with the shout trait, has a 60 sec cd. Also, with Lyssa 6, it removes all conditions (with gives another condition remover on a 60 sec cd)

Armor and trinket: Lyssa for all 6 slots and Rabid
Lyssa because it increases precision and condition duration. lyssa 6 is also pretty nice. Rabid for its high codition damage and precision. The toughness also helps me last fights seeing as this is a conditon build.

I guess there it is. A LOT longer than I expected it to be. I went with high crit chance because of the arms trait which puts a bleed on 33% chance of a crit and rending strikes. The high crit chance means more bleeds. I’m open to any and all criticisms. Tried to put my methodology down so people would know why I made the choices I made. Currently testing this out right now, although I don’t think I at a skill level to really know if a build is good or not. Phew.

TL;DR
http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mMRkmo9cmRahmmRahm0xGG0cVsMRzR8khT7khG7khT7070M7kIa70V7ow18ofj

Condition warr build, spvp, need help

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Posted by: Swiftborne.2650

Swiftborne.2650

Ok modded it to this: http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mMRkmo9cmRahmmRahm0xxa0cVsMRqz8khT7khG7khT7070M7kIa70V7ow18ofj
Took 10 points out of tactics and put it into defense for the extra toughness and Defy Pain, which should increase my survivability.

Condition warr build, spvp, need help

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Posted by: XII.9401

XII.9401

I’m not sure a condition warrior would be the best way to go compared to Engys. I think that is why there aren’t a lot of replies to this as it has been discussed a few times.

The problem is you don’t apply different types of conditions but just a few. The fewer the types of conditions, the easier they are to cleanse -regardless of stack-. I think that is where the warrior falls short. For example, a thief stealthing once can remove any bleed stack they have on them.

Also, you will have to be trying to close gaps to land attacks with your swords. All other classes don’t need to or don’t have a problem doing that.

Try it out but remember that other classes can easily outmatch you in condition builds. Engys mostly and Necros 2ndly.

You don’t have any kind of get out of jail card in your build. Not sure how you will deal with spike damage.

Runes of Lyssa are nice but the boons are every 60 seconds for 5 seconds. Smart players will just wait it out. You can always use that extra stability for stomping or the protection for when your focused etc. Just remember it is highly situation and is available briefly every 60 seconds.

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Posted by: Swiftborne.2650

Swiftborne.2650

I’m not sure a condition warrior would be the best way to go compared to Engys. I think that is why there aren’t a lot of replies to this as it has been discussed a few times.

The problem is you don’t apply different types of conditions but just a few. The fewer the types of conditions, the easier they are to cleanse -regardless of stack-. I think that is where the warrior falls short. For example, a thief stealthing once can remove any bleed stack they have on them.

Also, you will have to be trying to close gaps to land attacks with your swords. All other classes don’t need to or don’t have a problem doing that.

Try it out but remember that other classes can easily outmatch you in condition builds. Engys mostly and Necros 2ndly.

You don’t have any kind of get out of jail card in your build. Not sure how you will deal with spike damage.

Runes of Lyssa are nice but the boons are every 60 seconds for 5 seconds. Smart players will just wait it out. You can always use that extra stability for stomping or the protection for when your focused etc. Just remember it is highly situation and is available briefly every 60 seconds.

Thanks for the reply. Pretty much everything you’ve said is true lol. I’ve been testing it out and I’ve realized spike damage is my main weakness. I’ve been winning a few 1v1s in the past day, but I’ve lost far too many for my patience. The bleeds do stack well, but people do tend to cleanse them too easily for them to do real damage. I guess it was my fault for focusing too much on bleeds and not adding in other constant conditions to the mix. Might try a necro sometime soon. Thanks for the feedback man.

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Posted by: Veritas.6071

Veritas.6071

I agree with XII. I’ve never advocated a condi warrior and never will, but if you want to try again, try switching bow for rifle and put a Sigil of Earth on it. This will give you access to burning without totally denying access to bleeding. Pin Down just had a nice bleed attached to it, and the Dual Shot auto-attack has some synergy with your Sigil of Earth because of landing two hits per shot. The bow’s burst will also be readily available to you since you are running Signet of Fury.

Additionally, since you aren’t running shield, you could try working Missile Deflection into your Defense tree. This will make it so that your Sword block doesn’t end when you are struck with projectiles and will reflect all incoming projectiles back towards their origin. Note that not all ranged attacks are projectiles so it is possible for some builds to still drop the block after one hit.

Again, I wouldn’t wish the pain that is playing a condition warrior on anyone, but if you insist on trying again, those are two changes which may marginally increase your success.

Ve·ri·tas [English ver-i-tahs] A Latin noun meaning Truth.

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