Guild Wars 2

Good enough to dust off my condition/crit build? =P

I used to play tanky shouts build for front line zerg pre patch.

Right now with 20% reduction, warhorn improv, and healing shouts traits. I heal for 4k every 20 sec with 2 shouts (450 healing power, shake it off and for great justice) plus the healing signet this is pretty op healing for 30k health and 3300 armor.

So that’s an extra 200 health per second to trade of against putting 30 points into a mediocre trait line, getting 2 traits in that line and using 2 mediocre utilities (Sio and FGJ are okish, but there are way better utilities to bring as a warrior). At least, playing pvp/wvw that is.

People use the abbreviation ‘OP’ without knowing what it means.

OP means “obviously pointless”. At least in the case of healing shouts.

I believe Anet should understand the problem of shout healing isn’t the amount of healing per se, but the fact one is forced to lock all 3 utilities to a narrow selection of mediocre utilities in order to get the full effect.

They could make the trait into something like “using a shout heals 4000hp, 20 second internal cooldown”, that way one is only forced to keep one shout on its bar.
Else shout healing will only be really good when we’ll get more shouts to pick from.

Red Falcon.8257:

I believe Anet should understand the problem of shout healing isn’t the amount of healing per se, but the fact one is forced to lock all 3 utilities to a narrow selection of mediocre utilities in order to get the full effect.

They could make the trait into something like “using a shout heals 4000hp, 20 second internal cooldown”, that way one is only forced to keep one shout on its bar.
Else shout healing will only be really good when we’ll get more shouts to pick from.

The trait isn’t meant to define a build. Just like most other traits it’s just there to supplement what you were already using. If you don’t like shouts that much (who would?) then you wouldn’t bother with the trait.

The ‘improved’ interaction between Soldier Runes and Warhorn trait was fixed this patch so … it’s OKish. Honestly, (the 3) Shout talents are way too many in this line and should just be combined given the lackluster 5, 15 and 25 pt talents. Remember, there is also another Shout talent in Discipline so it is strange to have 4 talents taken over 2 skill trees to have one mechanic work to its full potential.

And spec’ing up a talent tree shouldn’t feel like it takes 10 or 20-pts to have any improvement in a spec (it would be a different story if the +boon was +healing in this line, but it isn’t – and that would screw up banner builds). In other words, shout talents should be in the Toughness line. Banner talents should be in the Vitality line (like they are now) as they both are still competing for the same functional “support” benefit from Warriors.

Cygnus.6903:

So that’s an extra 200 health per second to trade of against putting 30 points into a mediocre trait line, getting 2 traits in that line and using 2 mediocre utilities (Sio and FGJ are okish, but there are way better utilities to bring as a warrior). At least, playing pvp/wvw that is.

People use the abbreviation ‘OP’ without knowing what it means.

For a tanky spec 2 shout with soldier runes. SIO remove 2 conditions (and one for allies, plus break stuns), one more for FGJ and you get boons you need to deal damage with PVT/cavalier armor. Plus FGJ is aoe boon (20% critical for 5 allies plus might)

With quick breathing you convert conditions to boons with horn (i run hammer sword/warhorn). Plus the horn #4 remove more conditions.

Adrenal heal, healing signet plus the healings shouts, with 30k health and 3400 armor, with 20% critical (almost perma fury to 40% with FGJ and signet of rage) with 3200 attack damage and 40% critical damage, all CD reduced by traits in utilities and weapons and 450 healing power….

yes, is pretty op for a tank frontline zerg. I survive a LOT (i have a guardian and i survive more than my tanky guardian) and deal a lot more damage.

You can see the build in action here (without healing shout buffed, now is better).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLvFxfXpjRA&list=TLniIO6Enx3wrsb41joiBT5MjcecBYXtaj

And the trait line is not mediocre. You can spec banners with that traitline if you need. You know, that kind of buff, debuff, condi removal and that things with coordination wins zergs fights.

urieldhynne.2743:

Cygnus.6903:

So that’s an extra 200 health per second to trade of against putting 30 points into a mediocre trait line, getting 2 traits in that line and using 2 mediocre utilities (Sio and FGJ are okish, but there are way better utilities to bring as a warrior). At least, playing pvp/wvw that is.

People use the abbreviation ‘OP’ without knowing what it means.

For a tanky spec 2 shout with soldier runes. SIO remove 2 conditions (and one for allies, plus break stuns), one more for FGJ and you get boons you need to deal damage with PVT/cavalier armor. Plus FGJ is aoe boon (20% critical for 5 allies plus might)

With quick breathing you convert conditions to boons with horn (i run hammer sword/warhorn). Plus the horn #4 remove more conditions.

Adrenal heal, healing signet plus the healings shouts, with 30k health and 3400 armor, with 20% critical (almost perma fury to 40% with FGJ and signet of rage) with 3200 attack damage and 40% critical damage, all CD reduced by traits in utilities and weapons and 450 healing power….

yes, is pretty op for a tank frontline zerg. I survive a LOT (i have a guardian and i survive more than my tanky guardian) and deal a lot more damage.

You can see the build in action here (without healing shout buffed, now is better).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLvFxfXpjRA&list=TLniIO6Enx3wrsb41joiBT5MjcecBYXtaj

And the trait line is not mediocre. You can spec banners with that traitline if you need. You know, that kind of buff, debuff, condi removal and that things with coordination wins zergs fights.

LOL. I enjoyed that video ROFL thanks~

I’m just upset I cannot carry empower allies and traited warhorn for 20 points no more =(

I like the traitline… a lot…

But it ain’t one to take if you run solo.

Warhorn trait is just bad now anyway. It got decent with the bug, but it’s back to being useless.

Great improvements to the shout build imo…..just a shame i cant use my utilities due to the lag…

i think shouts are good alternatives if u have a lot heavy guardian buddy in the front line with tons of stability but not to much healing. i think its rare