Guild Wars 2

This can be for both PvP/WvW.

I love Warrior. I want to see this class flourish. I think the design is great but there are a few things I am unhappy with. First off, when I think of Warriors, I think of an unstoppable machine on the battlefield. A force to be reckoned with. Like oh kitten, warrior incoming. Nobody thinks that right now. They see a warrior and they think “Oh look, free kill” compared to most other classes that offer up better fights. Most classes can bring both burst and sustain to a fight, albeit maybe thieves, but even for them, with Daredevil, and some of their skills, they can bounce when it gets hairy. We are one trick ponies and have been since beta days. Instead of Bullcharge+Frenzy+HB, we now have Gunflame, it’s the same thing over and over, trading one bursty gimmick for another. I won’t touch on condi warriors because to me it’s just a weird way to play warrior.

Skills:
>Physical skills are pure doodoo, let’s be real, BC can be used for fun but it takes up a very much needed slot. I used to enjoy Bolas with GS, still do from time to time, but too unreliable.

>Banners only work with pve and a Tactics line build. They bring nothing to pvp. These could be changed so they are like how attunements are or if they followed you around somehow.

>Rage skills work really well for most part, I wish outrage could be used with my vanilla build.

>Stances: I’m not really sure what to do with these, the durations are far too short for the cd’s.

>Signets: These are ok, mostly for pve, I guess some have their place with Gunflame, like SoM

Healing skills: The only thing I may add here is HEaling Signet change, make the secondary, the resistance pulse tick for 6 seconds every 10-12 seconds, just so we aren’t slaughtered by condis so easily. Between that and BS it would be pretty awesome for not getting condi bombed.

Traits:
I honestly have no idea what to do with any of these. I am not a creative person. But it seems like we are pigeonholed into either Offensive or Defensive via Defense Vs. Strength line where as everyone else seems to be able to maintain both without giving up much.

It’s not like you can really drop Discipline either, the traits are just too needed.
>Adrenaline on swap
>25% run speed
>Fast hands
>DOTE/Brawler’s Recovery
>Might on wep swap/Burst skill CD reduc
>BM for more bursts or HF for taking someone down quickly. Where is our skill that allows us like 20% dmg to foes under 50% health like what Thieves/Necros get? Like they need it.

So we are stuck. With at least Berserker (headbutt/outrage) too good, and Discipline.

If you pick Defense:
You gain extra toughness, Shield Master or dogged march, Adrenal health which coupled with healing signet helps too much, Defy pain, Retaliation, and either rmore condi clearing from CI, more toughness from RR, or more stability from LS.

If you pick Strength:
Damage on dodge roll, some pretty crappy first tier selections, building momentum, wee another dodge, Forceful GS, which is 10% more dmg and a big reduction on skills that save us a lot and hit hard as hell, aka rush and whirlwind, another 10% dmg when endo isn’t full, and Berserk’s power, another 20% increase in damage.

You could always pick both Strength and Defense to match up with berserker, but missing those key skills in disc really hurts us.

In all it seems most other classes didn’t have to give up much of anything for their new Mastery lines, where as I feel stuck between either being very offense, or defensive, and I cant find a synergistic pattern or build for both in spvp, wvw is another story where food, gear and more run/sigil options come into play.

I feel in wvw warrior can really shine, but I’d love to play spvp without being slaughtered on the reg.

How would I fix Warriors?

Well, if it’s a Charr, I’d sedate him and have an Asura perform a bit of minor surgery… then stick him in one of those vet cones for a couple weeks. While one of those are on, I’d expect he’d get some sort of buff to his shouts and rage skills. I’m sure his stances would be a bit off during that time, though.

~EW

Protection. Stance cd reduction. would be enough for me.

There is a million things that could be done but wont. People have suggested many things but warrior got rifle buff……………………..

1st thing they could do if buff some core trait lines.

Banners could get a reduce cool down. Then give each banner its own boon that pulses. So defense banner gives 180 to X stats and protection. Healing banner gives regen and 180 to X stats. So forth and so forth. It makes it a viable for PvE and WvW. Its a better core support build now in PvP yet it wont have the condi cleanse to make it a OP build. So boom you give a build with positives and negatives.

Stances need a change as well. Vigor is a useless trait to have when you have a stance in use. Its like going to a BBQ with tons of food and then paying for a all you can eat buffet after you are already full. Whats the point. They made it so necros/mesmers can steal the resistance boon and allowed revs to hit threw endure the pain. How about giving the stances a actual boon when using a stance.

Physical skills to me need a slight cool down since they are usually a +1 in utility skills. Most PvP warriors are using 2 stances and then X. I use bulls charge, a slight increase in damage and cool down time would be enough. Also how long will it take to make mending a physical heal? we are now 4 years into this game and a basic heal skill with no title. If your gonna nerf rampage into the ground at least make the other skills some what useful. For instance landing a physical skill gives adrenaline. A 15% cool down reduction and a 10% increase in damage.

Now tot he beserker spec line. Ohhh this joy is amazing. I love how 1 path has all dps which is great, then 1 has burn damage -increase torch damage and overall condi damage which is great and then they have some of the most useless skills like savage instinct and dead or alive. I can not picture any place i would take these skills in PvE, WvW or PvP. Neither of these traits do anything anywhere. I mean even in fractals they are utterly useless. Not only do you have to be in beserk mode for 1 to work, the other one only works if you have condi and are stunned. Its like the terrible version of the necros death shroud.

Seriously those 2 traits every time i see them makes me wonder if they even care about the warrior trait lines. I mean Almost every class got these unique skill in each trait line. Warrior got damage buff in zerk mode and condi buff. Thats it with 2 of the most useless traits in the game.

I just need to add that anet really needs to look over there cool down times on weapons. Some of there skills are just all over the place. For instance search and rescue has a 1200 range-gives regen-double the rez speed from you and your pet. The necro skill that does the same thing transfusion which is a trait. Has a range of 600…………………………………………………………..

I mean the game is pretty balanced overall for they way they took it with HOT but my goodness some things are just so glaring. Ele shouts give protection, vigor, regen and a aura. Rev has 2 skill sets even if they made only 2-3 viable. guardian got the good set of traps in the game, why is everyone mad about it? Because rangers traps are meh and thiefs traps are like peeps on plate for the iron chef america judges.

Sorry i went on there, rant is over

Have a good night

Weapon cd reduction(better rotations ftw). Better baseline traits(how long are we asking for this) Utility cd reduction(60sec cd on fear me is a joke) Replace some skills. (who uses avatar of melandru anyway) maybe some minor buffs on some weapons.
That would be a good start in the right direction xD

-Change Adrenaline health (it doesnt do anything in beserkmode.. and its bad mechanic)
-small cooldown reduction on stances
-Improve banners/shouts (they are bad)
-buff thick skin
-maby make some stuff baseline like adrenaline on getting hit / fast hands

Firstly, remove HoT from the game

+1 to Obindo
Vanilla War 4 life

I’m still running Vanilla w/ hammer+gs. I love it too much, have since beta. I just can’t fathom playing anything else.

I swap now and then from vanilla to beserker but I play more with vanilla.

First off all, warrior does not need fixing, I’ve played it pvp and wvw and shines like a diamond! I’m diamond 14 pips in pvp atm, so I know what I’m saying!

For pvp I use this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAsfSnMdAtkiVhAehAEliFjA7d4mcfuGBgNYODJ1tCOBA-TJhAQBA4JA0l9Hg2pAAilBAA
The hammer interrupts foes, and that equals with confusion, lots of confusion, the mesmer and ele melts with this build, and u can even 2vs1 a bit. If you have full skills on you can 1vs1 a condi reaper to and win, so shut up with warrior/berserker is broken!

For WvW I use this (this is for zerking and I don’t have the berserker elite opened it yet with this character, I have to mention that I have 9 professions)
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJAUSnUJClhgVhAehAcighegST8e/HwdvHyBLAKgIA-TFCBwA51FE4SAA4JA0b/BsK3wp+zZlgZVSAA-w

If you opened berserker elite then you can use this to!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJAUSnUJClhgVhAehAciglsA7dzGaXtKRtC3BAZwVACAA-TFCBwAAeCA51FgV5WgLBAO1fyqk4sSwe7PAA-w

And the most important !!!! Don’t use all your stance skills at once in zerg fight, use the 8-9 skills first when you are in the front line with hammer and the fight is on, and use the 6-7 skill when the first skills are gone! Note the best way to use them when u are targeted, or you really need them, sometimes you don’t need them, you melt the enemy without them! But in the biggest zerg fights you need them, but you will shine!

The rifle is good when the zerg is at ranged distance, you can always shot the zerker players, and kill them quick!
Or if you really need a good melee type warrior, than go hammer and double axe, but not that you will not kill that many ppl with it, because the fights many times are in ranged battles!

So stop crying that warrior/berserker is broken,it’s not, I f melt everything and I like it!
I play on Desolation server with Night Dethstar name, when u see me in an asura deathstar suit and my name just run, ‘cause I kitten storm into your zerg and come out to alive, and alone, making so many interrupts that you cry!
Note that the wvw build is good for group fights, and to run away to, to a keep/fort, and u don’t die against large group!
The kitten longsword is not good in group fight, it’s just good to run away like always and 1vs1, but what the kitten?! You 1vs1 in wvw? YOu can 1vs1 sure with this build to, you can win to, I tried it, but longsword is deaddddddddddddd for warrior both in pvp and wvw, that’s why you always loose, you go for youtube and mettabattle… try to make your own builds!

So good luck! The wvw build is 100% good, you will not have issues with it! The pvp is 90%, you have to learn it, or you will suck at it!

@Lord otto, Hahahahahahahahaha

A average player screaming and pumping his chest vs other average players.(in pvp)
Absolutely hilarious

Damage is fine on warrior. Surviving a burst is fine. The problem is how easy it is to be soft CC’d as a warrior. Cripple, chills, blinds, etc. Condi clearing is okay but surviving continuous condi burst is hard.

I think they should make redesign some warrior things to be resistance instead of condi clear. Being able to keep lots of resistance up means blinds and chills arent much of a problem. But it still has good counter play while making blind spam less effective. I’ve been running condi zerker because it sorta solves that problem. Berserker stance to try to get close and do damage. Torch aoe pulses and gets rid of my blind.

Another problem is team support. I think banners should be redesigned from being bundles to being activated and making you a walking banner. Maybe put the banner on your back or something so you pulse boons or effects and you can only have one. Maybe a banner clears condis every X amount of seconds to people in range passively. Maybe one pulses healing. And when they expire maybe they cripple in AOE. Not sure what to do about elite banner though. I can see that idea messing with that (I like my AOE revive…)

Also… I want an elite shout or stance. Rampage I guess is a stance…

Maybe make an elite shout that revives and make warbanner pulse stab to everyone in aoe. Then i’d have the role of giving everyone stab on a point.

Make Skull Crack have berserker primal animation.

There are my silly ideas that I threw out of my hat

@kdaddy.5431
I may be an “average player”, but
You are an elite 0 player, a professional amateur, who will remain there with his greatsword, fleeing away from enemy every time, the great masterpiece I assume… 100% that you play greatsword warrior! Berserker traits are all good!
Saying what ele and Rev can do, I’ve said earlier you can kill fast an ele both with condi both with pure dps! In pvp it’s better to kil lthem with condi… Rev is only broken because the hammer, to mutch dmg against many ppl, and we can’t see the ranged cc’s (red circles)
You are the hilarious, a joke, you just wait for ppl put on some youtube video or meta battle to be “good again”…go make your own build! Warrior is fine!

War is in a good place, there are several good players, who play war, and play it good, cry no matter how many times, war is in a good place!

Whatever mister Hammer warrior

Every decent war overhere can see what kind of NOOB you are Just by reading all the nonsense you type. The funny part is that you are not aware of how you reflect yourself towards us. Xd

Every decent warrior uses a greatsword? From metabattle and youtube? U are decent warriors!
I have played all the professions, and one word … learn to play them!

Playing a profession and mastering a proffesion are 2 worlds apart.
Seeing all your Bull c in your text says more then enough about your position ingame.

I see also that you realy want to beleave that we are all looking at metabattle and using greatswords.
Why do you think this? You dont even know any of us.
But If you want to know; I never used metabattle, and atm Im not using a Gs either xd
So there goes your claim. Try again. Better luck next time? I dont think so

LOL. That was really good. Thanks for the laughs.

@Hoaxintelligence.4628
If you would have mastered the warrior profession, you would not cry here on the forums! I know one thing, you will always cry about warrior, no matter what!
In PvE warrior is needed, in WvW the warrior is needed the most in melee combats! There are many good warriors who don’t share their build, and they are good! Make your own builds, don’t cry, ‘cause warrior is good!
Even in PvP in organized pre-made warrior is very good ( lot’s of cc, lots of condi, and dmg to, and even can survive for a long time) , so what is your problem with it? Nobody showed you on youtube how to play it?! I think that’s your real problem!

I have to agree with lord Otto condj thoughts but warrior us far from a good place. Condi warrior reduces warrior to a single targeting machine; hence in team fight you are utterly useless. As a condi warrior, the best you can is hold either home or far point, but any player who knows how your build wold will be able to counter you.

Gs or Hammer warrior is the ideal build for teamfight since most of their skills focus at least 3 targets. And you can’t kill (ok maybe you can) a good ele with power warrior; most of the time you be able to pull that feat if and only if:

- the ele skills are on cd

Most playes/ warrior this season got to diamond with their warrior ( k pop come to mind; shin) I mean they played 90% of their game with warrior till diamond. WHy don’t you ask them if warrior is in a good place??? Trust me those players didn’t roll warrior as much as they wanted in diamond. Also, look around some warriors players have switched to rev.

How to fix warrior.

Step 1. Log out to character screen
Step 2. Delete your character
Step 3. Make a reaper
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Your warrior got fixed

@ Lordotto
Hahah ehmm Im pretty sure that I recently shared 1 of my roaming builds plus video here (what I normaly never do)
I always roam with my own build btw, so I dont understand why you saying that I must make my own builds xd
(assumption is the mother of all f ups, trust me
You can ask other roamers like Vaanss about what I run, I run my own stuff boy ;D ) you failed. Try again

@Lort Otto

i have to give it to you, you might be one of the best at trolling. You even bring in rev hammer which is used by very few in PvP. Very good, lol ill just leave these pics for you. You got my nominee for top 5 troll of the year.

Lmao, stop bulking the poor Otto; his experience is lacking. The best way to convince him is to show him where he is wrong. Lmao grats on legendary 2 pal

This thread wins the warrior forums internet.

Sirendor.1394:

How to fix warrior.

Step 1. Log out to character screen
Step 2. Delete your character
Step 3. Make a reaper
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Your warrior got fixed

Confirmed Bug does work. Legendary achieved. O.o
lol like this one. Hot fix coming in May. SOOOOON

kdaddy.5431:

@Lort Otto

i have to give it to you, you might be one of the best at trolling. You even bring in rev hammer which is used by very few in PvP. Very good, lol ill just leave these pics for you. You got my nominee for top 5 troll of the year.

Nice necro build in the background of legendary 2 :p

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

+1 to Obindo
Vanilla War 4 life

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

I swap now and then from vanilla to beserker but I play more with vanilla.

I am playing chocolate warrior… Am I doing it right??
Maybe I should switch to Cookies N Cream warrior. I hear they can be OP.

LordOtto.2650:

War is in a good place, there are several good players, who play war, and play it good, cry no matter how many times, war is in a good place!

Everything else is just in a better place. Perspective bro.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Weapon cd reduction(better rotations ftw). Better baseline traits(how long are we asking for this) Utility cd reduction(60sec cd on fear me is a joke) Replace some skills. (who uses avatar of melandru anyway) maybe some minor buffs on some weapons.
That would be a good start in the right direction xD

ANET don’t power creep warrior. It is their testing ground for skills. If it kills the warrior, it makes it to the live game.

EphemeralWallaby.7643:

How would I fix Warriors?

Well, if it’s a Charr, I’d sedate him and have an Asura perform a bit of minor surgery… then stick him in one of those vet cones for a couple weeks. While one of those are on, I’d expect he’d get some sort of buff to his shouts and rage skills. I’m sure his stances would be a bit off during that time, though.

~EW

Using Lore to provide buffs. I commend you for knowing things related to the game.
I use standard character models, because Humans brah.

My changes focus around making Burst skills more reliable and rewarding to land. I also make some changes to make Warrior more dangerous as the fight goes on, as that is supposed to bebe one of the core principals.

Defy Pain: Auto-activate passives are boring. I would have Defy Pain give its own unique effect like Rousing Resilience. You get one stack of Defy Pain for each bar of adrenaline used. Each stack will give a small amount of toughness and the stacks will last a decently long time and stack up fairly high too (maybe around 15). This mans that the more bursts you land the tougher you get. Combine this with Rousing Resilience for a tough bruiser, no need for Protection.

Leg Specialist: Move this to Strength. Swap it with Restorative Strength. Add Cripple to both Pommel Bash and Smoldering Shot. This will make it easier to set up burst skills.

Add a minor Trait that removes blind on Burst use: I would say get rid of Thick Skin or Building Momentum. Neither of these minors are very useful.

These 3 changes would be a good start. I would eventually like to see a Stance revamp that make it so that you can only use one stance at a time but have the stance effects not be just boons and have shorter CDs as well. It would become about being able to use the right stance at the right time. I would also get rid of the passive aspect of Last Stand.

@ interpret

Nah, stay at chocolade warr.
1- more stealth (you are so dark enemys cant see you)
2- cookie&cream war lacks in sustain
3- you will be noticed faster by all women chars, cause of the chocolate smell.
4-chocolade war has better regen+health steal on weaponswap, similar to sigil of leeching

someone in a previous thread stated that stances could be moved into the f1 f2 f3 category for warriors. that seems like an awesome idea and the best possible solution right now.

my changes would be to make cleansing ire proc regardless of the burst landing or not, and to make burst bar decay go no further then the 1st bar. i would also like to see shrug it off and powerful synergy to be completely reworked.

Moving warrior stances into the f1-f5 slots does sound like a nice solution. Maybe those stances could work more like the way the rev’s facets work. When a rev activates a facet he pulses out certain boons to allies and himself, and when he consumes them they perform certain actions. Well a warrior would also be able to consume a certain stance, and in return, he would pulse out a certain warrior banner boon effect to allies and himself.
Maybe for the warriors next elite specialization, they can give him a defiance bar which will allow the warrior to survive much longer in fights and make him a bit tankier. Once the warriors defiance bar is broken it’ll pulse out a crap ton of boons to the warrior and his allies for a good duration. Idk just throwing out wild ideas.

They need to make utility skills do what they are actually meant to do, right now they are way too weak.

Physical skills:
All of them are CC skills, all of them have stupidly high cooldown for what they do. Cooldowns have to go down and stomp should knock targets further away to be actually useful.

Stances:
They are meant to allow you to play aggressively while ignoring incoming damage/cc, but with the long cooldowns and short durations you are left vulnerable for way too long. Reduce CDs and add a trait that further reduces CDs when you hit someone (let’s say 2 sec reduction with 1 sec cooldown). Make frenzy apply superspeed.

Banners:
They are meant to buff your allies, and while the unique buffs are nice they just aren’t enough in PvP. Remove inspiring battle standard trait and instead make 4 minor traits (free up space by either removing useless traits like thick skin or by combining traits like reckless dodge and stick and move). Make each trait work on one of the banners (strength trait on banner of strength etc), reduce the cooldown and make the banner apply a boon on every pulse: might for strength, fury for discipline, protection for defense and regen for tactics.

Shouts:
They used to be good before the healing was nerfed, now they are a joke. Either buff the healing back or add some synergy in other traits. They could make it so brawler’s recovery would make your condi removals heal if they successfully remove a condi or make shake it off break stuns on allies (and possibly apply rousing resilience to them if you have it).

Moving stances to the F keys is not only waaaaaay too similar to Engi, it would also demand that they create a new set of utilities to replace them. That’s like asking for a mini elite spec.

It makes way more sense to work with what we got when it comes to our class mechanic.

Ozzrel.9825:

Remove inspiring battle standard trait and instead make 4 minor traits (free up space by either removing useless traits like thick skin or by combining traits like reckless dodge and stick and move). Make each trait work on one of the banners (strength trait on banner of strength etc), reduce the cooldown and make the banner apply a boon on every pulse: might for strength, fury for discipline, protection for defense and regen for tactics.

… weaken warrior traits by splitting them even more? No thanks.

Baseline fast hands and adding resistance to cleansing ire