Guild Wars 2

The ONE class I’ve stuck with for years, Warrior, is still the biggest joke of this game. It has THE best potential for being an amazing support class, but like many others, we’re forced into traitlines and bottlenecked into certain decisions which force us out of the meta.

I’m sick of the band-aids Anet places on us whilst completely ignoring the larger issues that have been around for a long time.

We have an IMMENSE potential to be part of the meta where we can bring support and dps, but, Tactics, is trash, shouts are trash, and banners are trash. We are the same thing weve always been since beta, and that’s a 1 trick pony, fly in and die.

Instead of Bulls charge+Frenzy+HB it’s now Headbutt+F1 spam as much as we can before our stances run out and we die to conditions in seconds.

All the Warrior vets are sick of it too, we have to play top notch in order to do anything another class can do better and Revenants were just a slap in the face.

Now here we are, post patch, 3.5 years later and look at us, still garbo in comparison, still being melted by conditions, still lacking sustain and any real options. Most classes are able to have a hefty amount of defense and sustain while having great offense as well, but, noooo, not us. We are forced into a defensive roll, where we can’t kill anything, or, full offense and melt like butter. (This is spvp only, I wreck in wvwv with foods, buffs etc)

Ohhh and look, we joked for months about Healing Signet getting a buff and we’d get a regen of sorts, we’ll I’ll be darned, that’s exactly what we got. A piece of duct tape to put over our mouths and our wounds to fix the larger issues at hand.

Now, instead of being forced into Discipline traitline which is practically mandatory for fast hands and Warrior’s Sprint (a trait that used to give us an advantage) but now everyone has perma swiftness, we are now also forced into Defense as well if we want that little bit of added sustain from Adrenal Health.

So now, we get to pick between Zerker, or, staying vanilla, which is better overall for a more balanced Warrior imo. Because No one is going to take tactics or arms, and we need Disc.

So here we are, forced into traitlines that give us the illusion of build diversity. Still in no better shape then we were since last time whilst every other class, including the ones that have always been on top, necro, ele, mesmer etc continue to get better and receive more buffs.

The sad thing is, some people on the warrior forum, who love this class and want to see it thrive and shine as much as I do, put together MASSIVE compendiums and rework ideas that were not over the top that would really help us, and they allllllll go unnoticed.

I love this class, but I’m not sure Anet even cares anymore or ever did.

But hey, looking on the brightside, at least we aren’t guardians.

I have to disagree about needing disc. Str/defense/zerker worked perfectly fine for me, and the last patch did give us a good bit of sustain. Defense is the only essential line, assuming you aren’t running a full glass gunflame build. I’d also certainly disagree that we can’t kill anything- I ran paladin for most of the last season and felt I was dropping people reasonably quickly despite the lack of ferocity. Granted, I only bothered to play til diamond, but that was more because I didn’t feel like muddling with the typical league toxicity any longer than anything else.

Calm down a mite. We were better this season than we were last- thanks to the reduced bunkering letting us actually kill things before stances ran out- and we ought to be better in S3 than we were during this one. We’re making progress.

I ran into some really good warriors last season actually the new adrenal with signet is quite a bit of sustain now. You’re headed there just give it time

Your rant is moot. Warriors are better than fine

Furajir.3815:

we’re forced into traitlines and bottlenecked into certain decisions which force us out of the meta.

All the Warrior vets are sick of it too, we have to play top notch in order to do anything another class can do better and Revenants were just a slap in the face.

So here we are, forced into traitlines that give us the illusion of build diversity. Still in no better shape then we were since last time whilst every other class, including the ones that have always been on top, necro, ele, mesmer etc continue to get better and receive more buffs.

Gee, sounds a lot like where thief has been for 2 years. I’ve said it before but welcome to the club. don’t worry I believe warriors will have their time again cries and laughs at the same time in a confused mix of emotions OH! and necro hasn’t always been on top, they were good before HoT but they were definitely not the best around. Ele’s have definitely been sitting on a high throne for a good while, and a good mesmer is and always has been a pain in the kitten

We have an IMMENSE potential to be part of the meta where we can bring support and dps, but, Tactics, is trash, shouts are trash, and banners are trash.

Ehh the old shoutbow with cleric and with the new adrenalin-trait is with reference to sustain and support only SLIGHTLY worse than ele and druid. And if anet would have nerfed both classes as they did with scrapper and reaper, this warrior build would have been meta 100%. Every top tier warrior is trying out those builds atm.
But ok. If Furajir says tactic traitline and shouts are trash so it has to be.

Now here we are, post patch, 3.5 years later and look at us, still garbo

Seems like he never has heard anything about hammbow or shoutbow meta, even Rampage warriors have been meta to a certain extent. Warrior kind of was meta since hs/cl-buff till HoT, mate.

His argument is a non-argument. Warrior has been prominent in PvP since this game released and they are shelved only since HoT came around. Shoutbows/Hambows/Rampage meta /full on glass zerkers.

What’s this depressing post. Everyone and their dog was playing warrior at launch and killing people on raid of capricorn with a single 100b rotation was actually a thing.

While everyone here was complaining that warrior is completely broken in pvp, the same warrior was winning most 1v1s in WvW.

Sure they could rework more stuff.. but very slowly they do make warrior better!!

> Adrenal health / Berserker powers / Ci All work great with Adrenaline now
> berserker elite is really great with these new traits and had some good changes.
> sure there are not much options in what traitlines you can get.. but i think the Strength line is more for PVE and raids/dungeons.. same for Tactics
> allot of the utilities has been changed in a good way like berserkers stance. Or balanced stance.. pulsing stab is so much better in pvp becuase of the boon hate. And for wvw you still have the very good Dolyak signet with a reduced cooldown now.
> other traits has been changed in good way like Thick skin / Dogged march / Defy pain / Shield master (reflect merged into) / Last stand / RR / etc
> Weapon skills has been changed in good way like rifle..
> And about your condition argument.. i have soooo much adrenaline that i can really spam a burst skill every 3 sec..,, > swap weapons to cleanse another 1.
Sure you have to HIT ofc.. else it would be totally braindead to play warrior. but you know you can swap cleanse > use hydra to cleanse blind.. etc.

I’ve only played the new warrior for 4-5 hours so far, but I think the overall buff’s not bad for now:

• The new Adrenal Health works, although it requires a bow to be fully maximized (as is the case for Cleansing Ire).
• I remain skeptical for physical skills: I think that the skill type, to be valuable, needs to be enriched by additional effect(s), and not by damage.
• The LB buffs are unexpected, I’ve tried a power GS/LB build as it was hinted, and while it somehow worked I cannot really see the value of it in a team comp.

Even if I’d agree that DEF and DIS are important trait lines, as they’ve been for many years now, they still offer a certain build variation (as you already know, from reading your posts in the warrior forum). To sum it up for others:

• STR can give you the standard power warrior and the condi-control warrior. Both are decent brawlers, although they can (too?) easily be countered by other classes. This is not a warrior problem though, but a problem of other classes having access to too many boons.
• ARM is still dubious. Signets look too weak (although Signet Mastery is a great trait), and many traits are useless (in that other builds achieve better results for the same intent). More work is to be done here.
• TAC doesn’t look bad at all, and I can see the old defense support shoutbow coming back as a viable competitive option, differentiated from other classes either by Rampage or the War Banner. Offense support looks pretty unlikely though.
• BER is interesting too, and Sword+Torch / Longbow burn zerker is the second probable top build which could be played. Don’t know if the rifle can still be a thing.

It’s not that bad, and I’ll be looking forward to how top players include warriors in their comps, for which role. However, I would heartily agree that there’s more work to be done on the warrior, and in that view definitely understand your frustration. The current balancing lacks inspiration and ambition, as you’ve rightly pointed out in the Healing Signet joke. I would love some improvement to the warrior mechanics rather than some plain damage/heal buff (e.g. offhand F2).

I don’t get how ANet intends to resolve the paradox of making a competitive game mode while building that much on passive play. Some classes remain blatantly unbalanced, even after this patch.

Ravenmoon.5318:

His argument is a non-argument. Warrior has been prominent in PvP since this game released and they are shelved only since HoT came around. Shoutbows/Hambows/Rampage meta /full on glass zerkers.

What’s this depressing post. Everyone and their dog was playing warrior at launch and killing people on raid of capricorn with a single 100b rotation was actually a thing.

While everyone here was complaining that warrior is completely broken in pvp, the same warrior was winning most 1v1s in WvW.

warrior are unviable unplayable, joked about being worse then ranger pet untill mid 2013 where they buffed healing signet and berserker stance, so people can no longer kill warrior with only ranged auto

watch warrior be unviable for a third seasons, seriously devs have no idea what they are doing

lighter.2708:

Ravenmoon.5318:

His argument is a non-argument. Warrior has been prominent in PvP since this game released and they are shelved only since HoT came around. Shoutbows/Hambows/Rampage meta /full on glass zerkers.

What’s this depressing post. Everyone and their dog was playing warrior at launch and killing people on raid of capricorn with a single 100b rotation was actually a thing.

While everyone here was complaining that warrior is completely broken in pvp, the same warrior was winning most 1v1s in WvW.

warrior are unviable unplayable, joked about being worse then ranger pet untill mid 2013 where they buffed healing signet and berserker stance, so people can no longer kill warrior with only ranged auto

watch warrior be unviable for a third seasons, seriously devs have no idea what they are doing

In conquest**

Ravenmoon.5318:

Warrior has been prominent in PvP since this game release

Onlysaneman.9612:

I have to disagree about needing disc. Str/defense/zerker worked perfectly fine for me, and the last patch did give us a good bit of sustain. Defense is the only essential line, assuming you aren’t running a full glass gunflame build. I’d also certainly disagree that we can’t kill anything- I ran paladin for most of the last season and felt I was dropping people reasonably quickly despite the lack of ferocity. Granted, I only bothered to play til diamond, but that was more because I didn’t feel like muddling with the typical league toxicity any longer than anything else.

Calm down a mite. We were better this season than we were last- thanks to the reduced bunkering letting us actually kill things before stances ran out- and we ought to be better in S3 than we were during this one. We’re making progress.

Sorry i laughed a little bit when you wrote down i got to diamond, lol people got to legendary in 2-3 days.

Anyways i also agree that warrior is in a far better place atm but once again another class is forced to play a certain spec build. Everyone warrior build for season 3 will probably have defense/beserker trait line and if they dont they will under perform.

Before HOT playing a meta build didnt mean total dominance. Now every build for each class has to have X n X trait line.

Now before HOT it was still true that ele player had to take arcane and water. But Fresh air ele played alot different then d/d and staff. Every warrior took discipline but a rifle, shoutbow, dps warrior all played very different. etc etc etc

Warrior will be better for season 3 but once again none of the classes actually got better in class diversity. When i play X warrior build, you wont be thinking i should switch to X build to counter it.

What ever the best warrior build is, that will most likely be the only viable build like all the other classes.

I don’t get this thread, I understand that the OP wanted crtain traits from the disc line to be baseline. But God, we ohht to be happy the changes. I seriously belive that we are on par with scrapper now. A resilience tanky warrior would out sustain or even a beat a tanky scrapper ( still testing).

My point being, we are 100× better than we were last season.

kdaddy.5431:

Before HOT playing a meta build didnt mean total dominance. Now every build for each class has to have X n X trait line.

Now before HOT it was still true that ele player had to take arcane and water. But Fresh air ele played alot different then d/d and staff. Every warrior took discipline but a rifle, shoutbow, dps warrior all played very different. etc etc etc

Warrior will be better for season 3 but once again none of the classes actually got better in class diversity. When i play X warrior build, you wont be thinking i should switch to X build to counter it.

What ever the best warrior build is, that will most likely be the only viable build like all the other classes.

I disagree, as far as warrior is concerned, we have more diversity now, then we had then. Just check our forums,

and Onlysaneman is right, as a power warrior you don’t need disc ( although it helps), str/def/zerker is far better than any combo with discipline. And also having a traits with everything in would kill diversity, wouldn’t it??

That last sentence hurt, bro

Fivedawgs.4267:

I don’t get this thread, I understand that the OP wanted crtain traits from the disc line to be baseline. But God, we ohht to be happy the changes. I seriously belive that we are on par with scrapper now. A resilience tanky warrior would out sustain or even a beat a tanky scrapper ( still testing).

My point being, we are 100× better than we were last season.

kdaddy.5431:

Before HOT playing a meta build didnt mean total dominance. Now every build for each class has to have X n X trait line.

Now before HOT it was still true that ele player had to take arcane and water. But Fresh air ele played alot different then d/d and staff. Every warrior took discipline but a rifle, shoutbow, dps warrior all played very different. etc etc etc

Warrior will be better for season 3 but once again none of the classes actually got better in class diversity. When i play X warrior build, you wont be thinking i should switch to X build to counter it.

What ever the best warrior build is, that will most likely be the only viable build like all the other classes.

I disagree, as far as warrior is concerned, we have more diversity now, then we had then. Just check our forums,

and Onlysaneman is right, as a power warrior you don’t need disc ( although it helps), str/def/zerker is far better than any combo with discipline. And also having a traits with everything in would kill diversity, wouldn’t it??

fivedawgs all over again

100x of nothing is still nothing, and i still don’t see any viable power build in conquest, with or without disc

How about everyone suck it up and stop your crying and moaning? Warrior is meta for WvW, raids and dungeons, and now it’s about to be meta in sPvP cause it is a direct hardcounter to mesmer.

Ananeos.4587:

How about everyone suck it up and stop your crying and moaning? Warrior is meta for WvW, raids and dungeons, and now it’s about to be meta in sPvP cause it is a direct hardcounter to mesmer.

Ananeos.4587:

I need the name of a warrior skill/trait that practically makes the warrior immune to all hard CC’s and soft CC’s until a certain health percentage.

Fivedawgs.4267:

I don’t get this thread, I understand that the OP wanted crtain traits from the disc line to be baseline. But God, we ohht to be happy the changes. I seriously belive that we are on par with scrapper now. A resilience tanky warrior would out sustain or even a beat a tanky scrapper ( still testing).

My point being, we are 100× better than we were last season.

kdaddy.5431:

Before HOT playing a meta build didnt mean total dominance. Now every build for each class has to have X n X trait line.

Now before HOT it was still true that ele player had to take arcane and water. But Fresh air ele played alot different then d/d and staff. Every warrior took discipline but a rifle, shoutbow, dps warrior all played very different. etc etc etc

Warrior will be better for season 3 but once again none of the classes actually got better in class diversity. When i play X warrior build, you wont be thinking i should switch to X build to counter it.

What ever the best warrior build is, that will most likely be the only viable build like all the other classes.

I disagree, as far as warrior is concerned, we have more diversity now, then we had then. Just check our forums,

and Onlysaneman is right, as a power warrior you don’t need disc ( although it helps), str/def/zerker is far better than any combo with discipline. And also having a traits with everything in would kill diversity, wouldn’t it??

Im sorry you seemed to miss the point.

Is warrior in a better place, of course the changes were pretty huge. But in the OP thread he ranted but it was about build diversity. It was also in the patch notes and from Anet as they were talking about build diversity.

Once again this limits what warriors can do. I say 95% of warriors will take longbow in this next season. In all season 1 all warriors had was m/s with gs, season 2 it opened up a bit with a condi warrior- gun flame warrior.

But getting to legendary isnt the point since many of us find it really easy to get to legendary. The point is quality of play and diversity in the class we want to play.

Atm revs are still OP because of glint and shiro but its ebcause they have no other option. Dwarf stance and ventari is a joke. Ele plays shouts because no other build can compete with the current meta builds.

Anet replacing potentially scrapper and DH with warrior isnt build diversity or creating a platform to show players skills.

Before HOT people complained about amulet and rune diversity since everyone in the Ag/ESL used the same runes and amulet. Now we are getting everyone uses the same EVERYTHING.

Defense/discipline/beserker to me will be the meta warrior and everyone will use those 3 trait lines in order to be successful. Yes some people will probably try to use different traits to say ohhh look i made it to so and so rank with this build. Yet it doesnt make the build good or viable with other good players and good builds.

I actually think War probably has better diversity than other classes in pvp right now. I see good potential for Power GS Builds and Condi Longbow builds.

The same cant be said for a lot of other classes really.

Warrior out of the meta for 6 months and OP thinks it’s been 3.5 years. Maybe you should take a break.

war banners get a backpack and you have free hand and the banner go every time with you . i will love it

lighter.2708:

Ananeos.4587:

How about everyone suck it up and stop your crying and moaning? Warrior is meta for WvW, raids and dungeons, and now it’s about to be meta in sPvP cause it is a direct hardcounter to mesmer.

Ananeos.4587:

I need the name of a warrior skill/trait that practically makes the warrior immune to all hard CC’s and soft CC’s until a certain health percentage.

What about it? I don’t know much about warrior, you don’t know much about mesmer. The difference between you and me is that I’m actively trying to learn about other classes’ abilities while you’re just stuck here whining on an internet forum.

l2p issue: Current demo war build with defense/disc/Berz is very strong, but hard to play and hard to play against. Learn the MU’s and how to play it and be amazed at what it can do.

PowerBottom.5796:

l2p issue: Current demo war build with defense/disc/Berz is very strong, but hard to play and hard to play against. Learn the MU’s and how to play it and be amazed at what it can do.

Dude, you are the most condescending kid on these forums. You say the same kitten in every post about l2p and act like you’re some top notch pro, think about what I’m even talking about before you open your mouth and spout off about all your ESL friends and kitten, noone cares, I’m talking about IN GENERALITIES the Warrior has been on the back burner forever. I’ve been making videos for years, I know the class inside and out and what it can do.

I never said we were weak or complete trash or didn’t have strong builds, the build I made beats out all the other cancerous builds, it’s not about that.

lmao what’s this guy kittening about, warrior has so many viable builds out there now we’re in a really good spot now and he still finds something to kitten about.

why don’t you wait for a decent warrior to come by and post the next op meta kitten then you can bandwagon off that cause you can’t play your class.

@Furajir

I’m beginning to think you just are not very good at the game. You are never happy with anything. At this point the only trait line the warrior actually “needs” is Defense. Other than that they can do almost anything. Just in the last 24 hours i have played with every weapon combination and every trait combination you can think of and nothing did not work. (except i always took defense) I have run power, condi, hybrid, bunker, and every one of them had not only unique play styles but great results. if you can’t find something you like about the warrior, you are playing the wrong profession or just outright can’t play the game.

@Barrett
No kidding about the number of great builds. Also, kick and stop are now officially my new best buds. A 9 second kickback, knockdown gap closer, both synergistic perfectly with body blow and distracting strikes . My new favorite combo is headbutt, stomp,shield bash, kick,. Berserk mace primal.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Stances get a shave off of their base cooldowns. 60 seconds (40s with Frenzy) is awfully long for this version of GW2.

phokus.8934:

I wouldn’t mind seeing Stances get a shave off of their base cooldowns. 60 seconds (40s with Frenzy) is awfully long for this version of GW2.

I’m ambivalent about that now, given some changes that have occurred over the last several months.

It’s not inconceivable for a fight to go over a minute, and that can mean 20s of direct damage immunity, 30-35s of condi immunity, and 25s+ of stability (plus vigor, swiftness, etc) by running double stances through traits and bar, plus condi duration boosts (e.g. food outside of spvp).

Dropping the cds of Berserker Stance and Endure Pain to 45-40s would lead to a ridiculous uptime for those invulns.

Tbh, I’d like to see Anet keep working on other skills (physicals, shouts) plus traits to improve non-stance based survivability, with special attention to not adding a tonne more that can be stacked with stances.

kdaddy.5431:

Fivedawgs.4267:

I don’t get this thread, I understand that the OP wanted crtain traits from the disc line to be baseline. But God, we ohht to be happy the changes. I seriously belive that we are on par with scrapper now. A resilience tanky warrior would out sustain or even a beat a tanky scrapper ( still testing).

My point being, we are 100× better than we were last season.

kdaddy.5431:

Before HOT playing a meta build didnt mean total dominance. Now every build for each class has to have X n X trait line.

Now before HOT it was still true that ele player had to take arcane and water. But Fresh air ele played alot different then d/d and staff. Every warrior took discipline but a rifle, shoutbow, dps warrior all played very different. etc etc etc

Warrior will be better for season 3 but once again none of the classes actually got better in class diversity. When i play X warrior build, you wont be thinking i should switch to X build to counter it.

What ever the best warrior build is, that will most likely be the only viable build like all the other classes.

I disagree, as far as warrior is concerned, we have more diversity now, then we had then. Just check our forums,

and Onlysaneman is right, as a power warrior you don’t need disc ( although it helps), str/def/zerker is far better than any combo with discipline. And also having a traits with everything in would kill diversity, wouldn’t it??

Im sorry you seemed to miss the point.

Is warrior in a better place, of course the changes were pretty huge. But in the OP thread he ranted but it was about build diversity. It was also in the patch notes and from Anet as they were talking about build diversity.

Once again this limits what warriors can do. I say 95% of warriors will take longbow in this next season. In all season 1 all warriors had was m/s with gs, season 2 it opened up a bit with a condi warrior- gun flame warrior.

But getting to legendary isnt the point since many of us find it really easy to get to legendary. The point is quality of play and diversity in the class we want to play.

Atm revs are still OP because of glint and shiro but its ebcause they have no other option. Dwarf stance and ventari is a joke. Ele plays shouts because no other build can compete with the current meta builds.

Anet replacing potentially scrapper and DH with warrior isnt build diversity or creating a platform to show players skills.

Before HOT people complained about amulet and rune diversity since everyone in the Ag/ESL used the same runes and amulet. Now we are getting everyone uses the same EVERYTHING.

Defense/discipline/beserker to me will be the meta warrior and everyone will use those 3 trait lines in order to be successful. Yes some people will probably try to use different traits to say ohhh look i made it to so and so rank with this build. Yet it doesnt make the build good or viable with other good players and good builds.

No, I got your point. As a whole diversity may or may not be bad, since I only play warrior. However, I have highlighted the part you ve missed. Warrior have more than 5 viable build atm. If that’s not diversity, then idk what is. Only talking about warriors.

@lighter, you can you post your build so I can tweak it for you.

Since you hate brainstorming, I’ll tell you how I maximize my dps.

I used str def zerker… gs sword shield. Now gs is my main, so I use force and air on my gs. And hydro isn’t really needed, with air, you easily hit 12k dmg per 100b and that’s with paladin amulet. So try to work with air and force on your gs. Futhermore, taking bezerker adapt 1 will also boost your dps, since it’s a free 140/280 ferocity point.

And about the revs, I have yet to be outplayed by a rev since the patch. Everytime I lost against one was becauseof a mistake. Wars vs rev 1 vs 1 can go either way if you play well, and the warrio is actually favored to win. However, I do evny their mobility/teleport.

I’m happy about the recent Warrior changes.. Warrior at the moment is in a decent place compared to the mess it was when HoT came out.

I agree about polishing dead skills and traits though, it will open up diversity in gameplay, would rather see that than another elite spec.. should be done for all classes not just Warrior.