Guild Wars 2

Skamlic.8041:

Aren’t you the one who spams L2P kitten on forums (or is it only Lighter?)?

Nope, you won’t see in any of my posts ‘L2P’. What you will see in my posts is ‘stop exaggerating your case to make yourself look worse’. Because apparently, the entire forums is full of people like that, pointing fingers at professions being OP and asking for nerfs and ridiculous buffs. Warrior forums tend to just have it worse.

We can’t make constructive critiques in peace…

If there were peace, then no one would be arguing. So it’s constructive for you to talk down to players and trash their styles and when people come in and say it’s not that bad, those people are just delusional, further talked down and dismissed? That’s peace?

AlBundy.7851:

He trolled me in the beginning of the thread with what he wrote he even bolded it for our pleasure. I realized it after I made my response. You came in all high and mighty and proceeded to commit forum seppuku because of you’re blind hatred of him.

What are you even talking about? I didn’t reply to his original message about “Warriors are underpowered because look at that one troll video”. You’d have to be an idiot to fall for stupid bait like that. None of my posts are even talking about that. The only post I quote him in is him accusing someone of being vague to perpetuate some stupid generalized argument about ‘Warrz iz badd’ which then turns away from the point of PvE to downtalking PvPers who play Warriors well.

If you think seppuku is dancing around imaginary posts you think people made talking about things you hoped they say, then you really should google the term. I think you might want to go back to 4chan, you seem to think everyone’s out for blood or something. Why would I ‘hate’ someone on the forum here? Apparently people can’t disagree and argue without hate and vitriol involved?

@Daecollo: While im about 90% in agreement with you and your view on warriors (I’ve read some of your other threads), maybe tone things down a bit? Think about it, if you’re coming off as somewhat of a troll to a fellow warrior with a similar viewpoint, imagine how others must feel? It’s not what you’re saying, it’s how you’re saying it and making your points. <3 Bro, <3
ANYWAY.

lol he was joking and so many ppl including myself fell for it. You guys need to get over it at this point. wow I’m glad I’m not this thick.

What are you even talking about?

I couldn’t agree more Leo you should reread the thread and look up the defintions of every big word so you have a more complete understanding of what is being said.

AlBundy.7851:

lol he was joking and so many ppl including myself fell for it. You guys need to get over it at this point. wow I’m glad I’m not this thick.

Hey Daecollo, I think someone has a crush on you.

Apparently you’re the center of his attention and everyone else is, should and must be speaking to you if you happen to post in a thread. Definitely a sign he thinks highly of you. Might want to get his email address…or somehow block him so he won’t stalk you.

You’re talking about yourself right?

You are all wrong, we make the best forum warriors. Bar none. Nerf

Definitely a sign he thinks highly of you. Might want to get his email address…or somehow block him so he won’t stalk you.

How would I stalk him? I weigh 500lbs and I get winded from just lifting a turkey leg to my mouth while playing Guildwars 2 in my mom’s basement.

ohh you mean e-stalking my bad. One day while I was taking the short bus to school I was in a terrible accident and my helmet became permanently stuck to my head and my brain was unable to grow so I’m afraid I’m too stupid to e-stalk someone as well.

Hey guys! Remember that time a warrior thread transitioned from constructive, to argumentative, to childish, to creepy/awkward?

No? Yea, me neither….

This thread is the spice of life it has a lil of everything

You had him right the 1st time. Even though he doesn’t use L2p his catch phrase is “that would be too op.”

And he is amazing at doing what you described the 1st time and then making himself out to be a victim.

Daecollo.9578:

style.6173:

The problem is this….

WvW (Roaming) – Average
WvW (Zerging) – The current OP class
sPvP – Average
PvE/Dungeons – Really strong

So, how do you improve WvW roaming and sPvP without making WvW zerging and PvE completely OP?

Roaming: Horrible, almost every class does it better.

Zerging: Average, every class is good at Zerging. Warriors are a missile, however they don’t bring nearly the crowd control a necromancer/elementalist can in Zergs. Unfortunately Hammer warriors lead the fight, however they die very quickly and are very squishy.

Spvp: Horrible, i’d rather bring a ranger’s pet, more damage+more survivability.

PvE/Dungeons: Average, they are good in old content (CoF Path 1.) and horrible at new content (Karka.)

You should see the video of a warrior trying to solo a Karka, wheras every other class can solo them, warriors cannot without luck+lots and lots of skill, one mistake = instant death.

I agree with everything but dungeons, warrior is good at all dungeon content. Regardless of what you think.

Silver.3284:

and please get rid of 100b – or at least cut dmg and duration in half.

Yes – please ruin the only thing the warrior has going for it now. Makes perfect sense. Why do you even bother posting if you have nothing constructive to add? Your post doesn’t offer solutions – just your personal experience with a class you have no idea about.

There are a lot of people here saying warrior might receive a damage nerf- why would that be a good idea? It’s the only thing keeping it in the game.
The warrior doesn’t need a damage NERF- it needs a utility and sustain BUFF.
If you take away the only thing going for it might as well take it out of the game.

People are concerned over tPVP vs PVE warrior balance. Guess what – split skills solve that. I don’t really see what the big deal is.

Can we get this topic back on track?

I agree on 100b, it and the axe are the only thing holding it back. The Axe/Greatsword damage needs toned down a bit, then we can start getting things we deserve.

I honestly hope A-Net doesn’t nerf damage anywhere on the warrior, if you were ever attacking a bunker ranger/ele/guardian you’ll see just how pathetic the damage is for the amount of time it takes to stick to them before they just cripple/knockback/chill you away.

Also if PvE was the problem then it’s simply because of the shoddy PvE monsters design. Want an example? Take a look at the molten facility dungeon, while having one warrior might be useful, having multiples of them would cause alot of problems. The mobs there were constantly moving, had a lot of CC, hit incredibly hard, and had enough health to make bursting them down difficult.
If you don’t want warriors dpsing down legions of mobs, give them abilities besides the slow once every 20 seconds attacks. Also I can’t believe people keep saying warriors are king of PvE, warriors only king of dps on stationary targets. Go do dungeons such as FoTM lv70+ and use only warriors spec for dps in the dredge fractal and tell me how it went.

Forestgreen.7981:

I honestly hope A-Net doesn’t nerf damage anywhere on the warrior, if you were ever attacking a bunker ranger/ele/guardian you’ll see just how pathetic the damage is for the amount of time it takes to stick to them before they just cripple/knockback/chill you away.

Also if PvE was the problem then it’s simply because of the shoddy PvE monsters design. Want an example? Take a look at the molten facility dungeon, while having one warrior might be useful, having multiples of them would cause alot of problems. The mobs there were constantly moving, had a lot of CC, hit incredibly hard, and had enough health to make bursting them down difficult.
If you don’t want warriors dpsing down legions of mobs, give them abilities besides the slow once every 20 seconds attacks. Also I can’t believe people keep saying warriors are king of PvE, warriors only king of dps on stationary targets. Go do dungeons such as FoTM lv70+ and use only warriors spec for dps in the dredge fractal and tell me how it went.

I guess you didn’t watch strifes video of molten facility where we take our standard dungeon group 1 guard 3 war 1 mes and clear it in 24-25 min? No problems what so ever mind you.
70+? only dps spec? ill get the group together and record it.
I don’t see why people are intent on thinking that DPS spec is bad, this games dungeons need massive over hauls in order for DPS specs to not be bad. I run arah daily with a full dps group, dps guard included, and still manage to do 2 paths in 30 min.
I agree with others, warriors damage dose not need to be reworked, great swords biggest damage dealer requires you to root yourself is easily avoidable in pvp and makes you vulnerable to incoming red rings if not canceled in PvE. And anyone can tell you that if you cancel 100b your dps takes a pretty big hit, so in turn, being able to do a full 100b and getting that high damage is a reward for setting it up correctly. It’s a high risk high reward skill.
Axe is a different story its best place being pvp really. Even then the biggest part of its damage is from the burst which sacrifices your damage modifiers such as beserkers might and Hfocus, overall making the auto attack worse. The auto attack is formidable but the bulk of the DPS is still in the burst and again it is easily dodged in pvp because of how its telegraphed.
Warriors just bring everything needed in a dps role for dungeons and people are upset enough that they will not see how terrible they are in Tpvp and Spvp.

Daecollo.9578:

For dungeons, i’d rather take 4 guardians and a mesmer.

I’ve seen this first hand as the mesmer. Its horrible, and the DPS is crap. Being more survivable with less DPS against dungeon mobs = bad in the long term. We still finished any dungeon run, it just took us much much longer.

Skamlic.8041:

Ok, I’m sorry. I thought it was you. Anyway, you didn’t get the point of my post, because I wrote it in a weird way:
I have a stick up my kitten because every time in a threat where we could (just maybe once) talk about what we think is wrong and how could we improve that by giving suggestions, there are people who are not contributing by posting constructive posts about the actual subject of a threat, but they post only to start arguing how other people don’t know what they are talking about. Devs do read forums, but they certainly don’t read kitten like this where we argue. We could help devs make better game, but there is just too much spam. Ironically my post is also spam, but this threat is already off topic and I’m not talking about this specific threat, but any kind where we express our concerns. They just get flooded and die.

Anyway that “peace” I was talking about earlier. I don’t really know where I was trying to go with that, but I hope you know know what I wanted to say.

Well, I did come off as rather hostile with my original post here. But it’s mainly because the thread itself isn’t all that constructive to begin with. I read the OP on my phone….like, it felt like 2 days ago…I didn’t reply at first because it was really just the same old jazz of people trashing Warriors in a non-constructive manner. I probably would have been better off not bothering to reply but felt if a discussion were made, maybe it could be turned positive.

Meh, I’ll probably just bow out instead. Not targeted at you in particular, but of the profession boards I frequent, the Warrior board is simple the most immature. Me participating in immaturity doesn’t help either.

Harper.4173:

Silver.3284:

and please get rid of 100b – or at least cut dmg and duration in half.

Yes – please ruin the only thing the warrior has going for it now. Makes perfect sense. Why do you even bother posting if you have nothing constructive to add? Your post doesn’t offer solutions – just your personal experience with a class you have no idea about.

Yup, I don’t know the class past the point that it makes little sense to put effort in it if you are not interested in PVE and exactly for that reason. And I do not think I am alone in this. If ppl play warriors in PVE but switch to other classes in PvP/WvW that fact in itself tells you there is an issue with warriors in PvP/WvW, without need for further analysis.

As to solutions I will mostly leave this to the guys that have had the patience to play the class in its current state

But specifically on 100b – I do not see 100b a good thing for a warrior. Sorry. It is a skill that keeps you immobile for far too long. You have to be able to move in WvW. Reducing the damage and the duration accordingly might actually make it into something useful.

If you feel 100b is fine as is, please explain to me how this skill is so awesome in PvP. I would actually be happy if the issue is me not knowing how to use it rather than the skill itself, cause then its just about learning it which can be easily fixed on my side.

PS: Not liking someone’s solution does not mean a solution was not offered.

Leo G.4501:

Range vs Melee will always be a sideways point in this case, because everyone suffers the exact same downfalls…Ranged weapons deal less damage for Ranger, Elementalist, Mesmer, Guardian, Warrior, etc than melee weapons…it just so happens Warrior does high ranged damage as well (you won’t see the mass AoE of Longbow on a Ranger or the huge crits of either Longbow or Rifle on an Ele) which is the Warrior’s advantage

You really think warriors do HIGH ranged damage? Because of Rifle 3, Rifle burst, and Longbow 3? What a ridiculous statement. Our ranged damage is significantly less than most of our melee damage for obvious reasons. The weakest ranged damage (which you somehow forgot) would probably be Necro if not Guardian, who can still do decent ranged damage. Did those 3 ranged skills convince you that we do more ranged damage than any other class?

@Dempsey

So he ran with a guardian and mesmer instead of 5 warriors since they are the king of PvE? Oh right, they went with that setup because our king of PvE has issues with mobs when they are spread out and inflict alot of CC and hit hard. Like I said earlier, warrior = king of DPS on stationary targets not PvE.
Also when you get a video of that 5 man warrior glass cannon dps team make sure to record one for Dredge Fractal and Shaman fight at lv70+.
Dredge fractal is doable for sure, but just time how long it takes you and how many armor repairs it took you, hint dying repetitively actually makes the run LONGER. If you need access to higher level fractals let me know, I’ll get you in. Remember nothing but glass cannon PvE king warriors.

Zayle.7253:

Leo G.4501:

Range vs Melee will always be a sideways point in this case, because everyone suffers the exact same downfalls…Ranged weapons deal less damage for Ranger, Elementalist, Mesmer, Guardian, Warrior, etc than melee weapons…it just so happens Warrior does high ranged damage as well (you won’t see the mass AoE of Longbow on a Ranger or the huge crits of either Longbow or Rifle on an Ele) which is the Warrior’s advantage

You really think warriors do HIGH ranged damage? Because of Rifle 3, Rifle burst, and Longbow 3? What a ridiculous statement. Our ranged damage is significantly less than most of our melee damage for obvious reasons. The weakest ranged damage (which you somehow forgot) would probably be Necro if not Guardian, who can still do decent ranged damage. Did those 3 ranged skills convince you that we do more ranged damage than any other class?

It’s from personal experience with professions ascribed to having their strength be ranged damage.

Elementalist: they have pretty nice AoE damage, but what can they do for single target damage? Be pitiful? Do you think Staff can easily toss out 8-10k damage in a line (that’s usually how much I get on my killshots, on my defensive build, I can manage about 4-5k killshots though)? And you can definitely get higher than that.

Ranger: they can pump out high damage and from a huge range, but it’s only AoE is in a line if traited. Can you get 6k 250radius AoE damage on a 10sec timer with a Ranger? Think you can do that with an axe or perhaps shortbow? Do you think Longbow does great damage?

Warrior has far more potential for damage at range, it’s just not nearly as good as melee and using either gets more pay off as you can have boosted damage from gear and still 18k HP. To get nearly that burst on an ele, I have to gear for it, use a utility slot and ‘time’ multiple spells to hit at once while floating at 12k HP.

And I didn’t bring up the weakest ranged damage because a.) I don’t play those professions and b.) what use would it be comparing the weakest to the strongest? I’d have compared Engi but I don’t play that either. They have pretty decently strong range damage with grenades…

Leo G.4501:

It’s from personal experience with professions ascribed to having their strength be ranged damage.

Elementalist: they have pretty nice AoE damage, but what can they do for single target damage? Be pitiful? Do you think Staff can easily toss out 8-10k damage in a line (that’s usually how much I get on my killshots, on my defensive build, I can manage about 4-5k killshots though)? And you can definitely get higher than that.

I know all about Ele ranged damage. Staff is the support/AoE weapon for Ele. It is not a heavily damaging weapon. 8-10k damage is easy if you knew how to use Ice Bow, which is ridiculously overpowered on larger bosses or structures AND someone else can utilize it as well. You can do Killshot damage with just Dragon’s Tooth on a scepter. That’s a spammable AoE that you don’t have to build up or line up.

We are talking about PvE right? With stationary targets, no blinds, and no dodge rolls? Because those bring Warrior ranged damage down to ridiculously low numbers. In PvE your numbers are fair, but they have to be since it’s more of a tag team aggro fight. Absorb a bunch of damage, then roll back and kite with a ranged weapon while you take a ridiculously long time to replenish that huge HP pool with horribly scaling healing skills. Nonetheless, they are not top knotch ranged damage. Judging from your Elementalist comparison you are not giving other professions enough credit.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcsMz9mMoRhMMoghMxx9MaokbcRqo

This is an amazing Zerg build. I call it Rain of Fire. Each one of those Dragon Tooths does as much damage as kill shot, and they hit up to 5 targets with a 2 second cool-down.

25 Might+Perma Vigor? Yesplz

I’ve played so much PvE relying on 100b because it’s just so darn good for it… forcibly weaned myself off GS in pvp because (for us mere mortals in the class, the L2P!fodder) you’re pretty much a useless meathead when you’re not Rushing a near-dead player who’s excessively attempting to escape off a ledge and out of your reach instead of letting you have your gotdang well-deserved kill.

I agree a less damaging, shorter duration, shorter cooldown 100b (75b? 50b? ;p) might actually improve the play of the GS in anything above your standard old dungeon pve. It’s a cumbersome skill against the mobile and slippery (99% of your pvpers), and obnoxious to cancel it too (same with canceling rush, my god). If there is some trick to recovering from a 100b or Rush misfire, let me just say now that it is not intuitive enough to be viable. And even with a recover, there you’ve gone, wasting your strongest damage dealing or gap closing skills for nothing. Most of the skills on GS, including the gap closing and mobility skills, seem to work best on generally stationary or decently slow-moving targets on FLAT LAND—ie, your typical dumb pve mobs. I truly admire those who make gs work in pvp, you are more talented than I—and I mean that sincerely.

I gotta say, the realest fun I’ve had in pvp with warrior is going against another warrior. That feels like a real fight to me—no accessing my mental inventory of class gimmicks I’ll potentially have to deal with. Fighting classes that stealth, distract, restrict movement, CD, etc, it just feels like swatting flies and chasing spectres. The gap closers are so horrid on standard use, even though I know there’s some L2P aspects in it for me personally—I could def be playing warrior better, still learning a lot—but it’s hard to ignore the lack of ‘cheap tricks’ for potential to disengage OR control a battle without being really really, really on the ball. Part of it, is definitely opponent players being more experienced and skilled than I am now; I will always admit to that. But it stands out to me that I can, as a fairly novice player, fight seasoned warrs in pvp with a very fair chance of success.

My observation: The class is solid stat-wise in a fair play situation, as befits a warrior, but in the same respect honestly seems to have nothing that makes it special right now, like the others do—making it quite the lame-leg opponent when it comes to matched play. Changing the adrenaline system as has been mentioned seems like a good place to start, maybe. I don’t want the type of fight-controlling/evasive skills that are used by many other classes; fine if it works for them, and a diverse class pool is great, but it just feels dirty and gimmicky when I do it and I dislike the thought of that type of play style. I don’t want to play as another class with better pvp options; I want to play as my class and hold a little respect amongst the others

So, it would be nice to be able to expect to hold solid ground with the engagement style I prefer to play, when I do reach a point of being skilled and confident in playing as a warrior.

Daecollo.9578:

style.6173:

The problem is this….

WvW (Roaming) – Average
WvW (Zerging) – The current OP class
sPvP – Average
PvE/Dungeons – Really strong

So, how do you improve WvW roaming and sPvP without making WvW zerging and PvE completely OP?

Roaming: Horrible, almost every class does it better.

Zerging: Average, every class is good at Zerging. Warriors are a missile, however they don’t bring nearly the crowd control a necromancer/elementalist can in Zergs. Unfortunately Hammer warriors lead the fight, however they die very quickly and are very squishy.

Spvp: Horrible, i’d rather bring a ranger’s pet, more damage+more survivability.

PvE/Dungeons: Average, they are good in old content (CoF Path 1.) and horrible at new content (Karka.)

You should see the video of a warrior trying to solo a Karka, wheras every other class can solo them, warriors cannot without luck+lots and lots of skill, one mistake = instant death.

video was obvious troll

Karka killing guide for dummies:

step one equip shield and reflect when blocking trait

step 2 block with shield when karka assumes Spit attack position

Step 3 watch karka as it obliterates itself

or method B

Endure pain

step 2 100b and whirlwind if needed

Vet Karka:

memorize its pattern and you got it

As a ranger/necromancer/guardian/elementalist/thief I don’t need to memorize a pattern, I have the tools to get away/reset/outheal the damage…

Warrior however, does not have sustain tools, and our heals are crap.

Daecollo.9578:

As a ranger/necromancer/guardian/elementalist/thief I don’t need to memorize a pattern, I have the tools to get away/reset/outheal the damage…

Warrior however, does not have sustain tools, and our heals are crap.

warrior has great survivavility when not run on the obvious glass cannon setups.

I run utility/shout warrior and switch between full cleric and soldier for condition removal.

It’s not bad really. I basically just run around shouting at people to heal, and, if necessary, pull out my rifle and tickle that guy in the corner who’s not paying attention. Not the most fun build but, works for WvW for me. Haven’t done much sPVP so can’t comment on that. I don’t think we’re the whiniest bunch. If you want to do other things just change class.