Guild Wars 2

Wilco.1458:

Daecollo.9578:

Ryld.1340:

Daecollo.9578:

Whereas, Invulnerability is both types.

Actually, Ele’s and Engy’s Elixer S and Mist Form still take condition damage. AND, unlike Warriors, can’t use any skills during this.

Yes, but you can’t take anymore conditions.

I can’t dot you while your invulnerable or evading or blocking.

However if I see EP as a Necro, I can shove up 7 dots and not care about it, Unlike Evades/Blocks/Invulns.

Just because there’s a small counter for something that’s completely overpowered doesn’t make it not overpowered.

You’re basically making the argument: “I can beat something imbalanced by using something which is more imbalanced.” Same logic as “I should counter a warrior with another warrior.”

Whats so overpowered about Endure Pain? Its one of the worst saves in the game.

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Poison IS the counter to regen.

It is a mild counter- and less effective against signet warriors than others. To cause 33% less healing on a healing-signet warrior, I need to perma-poison. To cause 33% less healing on non-passive heals, I need to poison only around the time of the heal. Poison’s efficacy is only more noticeable on healing-signet warriors because their healing is so massive, and thus becomes a necessity.

No, all you need is burst damage. Poison and Burst Damage destroys it.
When they made weakness so amazing they pretty much destroyed a lot of burst damage specs.

When they bring power damage up you will notice a huge difference.

I agree that burst damage+poison can decimate a heal-signet warrior without sufficient condi-clear. That doesn’t change the relative potency of poison on passive vs. active healing.

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Poison IS the counter to regen.

It is a mild counter- and less effective against signet warriors than others. To cause 33% less healing on a healing-signet warrior, I need to perma-poison. To cause 33% less healing on non-passive heals, I need to poison only around the time of the heal. Poison’s efficacy is only more noticeable on healing-signet warriors because their healing is so massive, and thus becomes a necessity.

No, all you need is burst damage. Poison and Burst Damage destroys it.
When they made weakness so amazing they pretty much destroyed a lot of burst damage specs.

When they bring power damage up you will notice a huge difference.

I agree that burst damage+poison can decimate a heal-signet warrior without sufficient condi-clear. That doesn’t change the relative potency of poison on passive vs. active healing.

Necromancer/thief/engineer can perma poison a target with little to no trouble.

Wilco.1458:

Daecollo.9578:

Ryld.1340:

Daecollo.9578:

Whereas, Invulnerability is both types.

Actually, Ele’s and Engy’s Elixer S and Mist Form still take condition damage. AND, unlike Warriors, can’t use any skills during this.

Yes, but you can’t take anymore conditions.

I can’t dot you while your invulnerable or evading or blocking.

However if I see EP as a Necro, I can shove up 7 dots and not care about it, Unlike Evades/Blocks/Invulns.

Just because there’s a small counter for something that’s completely overpowered doesn’t make it not overpowered.

You’re basically making the argument: “I can beat something imbalanced by using something which is more imbalanced.” Same logic as “I should counter a warrior with another warrior.”

If something “imbalanced” can be countered by another “imbalanced” something, I would define that as balance.
Perhaps that is just me.

Wilco.1458:

Alright, great, so it’s only invulnerability against 75% of damage. My question still stands, there’s very little reason that Endure Pain should hold a point.

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

I doubt a thief could take down a warrior who isn’t afk or just plain horrible. On any other class, thief is a threat. When i’m playing as my warrior, I actually feel bad for them because of how easy it is. 1 pindown is usually enough to drop those glass cannon ones who put everything into attack and forsake all defense. The ones who stealth constantly and fart condition removal still aren’t a problem. I can stack on the conditions faster than they can cure them, and that’s saying a lot since if traited for it thief has the best condition removal in the game. Well after warrior anyway, but warrior can be totally immune to conditions.

its not about balancing a class to be easy/hard but rather allowing each class to have a skill level…

raising the skill floor of a class to make it brain death easy and effective ins’t ideal balance, specially on a PvP system with zero rewards where personal skill level is the only thing to be proud about…

making classes require 20 mins to play on the same level of someone who’s played for a year, is just damaging the game, and its basically what you’re askign for eles. for the class to be dumbed down to a point where using 2 attunaments will be extremily effective while requiring very little skill

Make it so Endure Pain makes you unable to capture a point, however make it so conditions/other effects/crowd control cannot hit you like Invulnerable/Block/Evade does.

Fixed.

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Poison IS the counter to regen.

It is a mild counter- and less effective against signet warriors than others. To cause 33% less healing on a healing-signet warrior, I need to perma-poison. To cause 33% less healing on non-passive heals, I need to poison only around the time of the heal. Poison’s efficacy is only more noticeable on healing-signet warriors because their healing is so massive, and thus becomes a necessity.

No, all you need is burst damage. Poison and Burst Damage destroys it.
When they made weakness so amazing they pretty much destroyed a lot of burst damage specs.

When they bring power damage up you will notice a huge difference.

I agree that burst damage+poison can decimate a heal-signet warrior without sufficient condi-clear. That doesn’t change the relative potency of poison on passive vs. active healing.

Necromancer/thief/engineer can perma poison a target with little to no trouble.

That is also true. Yet once again you simply state another irrelevant truth. Poison is still inferior on passive healing relative to active healing, especially considering that not all players are necromancers, thieves, and engineers.

Daecollo.9578:

Make it so Endure Pain makes you unable to capture a point, however make it so conditions/other effects/crowd control cannot hit you like Invulnerable/Block/Evade does.

Fixed.

Let me think about that……..nope, still a horrible Idea. You wan’t to make something with a immunity to only physical damage unable to capture a point? That’s cute, move alone kind sir.

Uh dude…. so you want a full invuln? Sure get completely rid of zerker stance and endure pain make it a invuln for 3s and make sure warriors cant do ANYTHING during it. That’s on other professions levels and fair.

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Poison IS the counter to regen.

It is a mild counter- and less effective against signet warriors than others. To cause 33% less healing on a healing-signet warrior, I need to perma-poison. To cause 33% less healing on non-passive heals, I need to poison only around the time of the heal. Poison’s efficacy is only more noticeable on healing-signet warriors because their healing is so massive, and thus becomes a necessity.

No, all you need is burst damage. Poison and Burst Damage destroys it.
When they made weakness so amazing they pretty much destroyed a lot of burst damage specs.

When they bring power damage up you will notice a huge difference.

I agree that burst damage+poison can decimate a heal-signet warrior without sufficient condi-clear. That doesn’t change the relative potency of poison on passive vs. active healing.

Necromancer/thief/engineer can perma poison a target with little to no trouble.

That is also true. Yet once again you simply state another irrelevant truth. Poison is still inferior on passive healing relative to active healing, especially considering that not all players are necromancers, thieves, and engineers.

Rock Paper Scissors.

Dear Anet,

Rock is overpowered, Paper is fine. Please nerf it down so I can beat it.

Signed, Scissors.

Thieves and Necromancers and Engineers are classes the Warrior has trouble against.

Also Daecollo what profession can burst + perma poison a 3200 armor 25k hp 600+hp/s regen and has perma cc’s?
Plz tell me cuz you must be dreaming.

JinDaVikk.7291:

Uh dude…. so you want a full invuln? Sure get completely rid of zerker stance and endure pain make it a invuln for 3s and make sure warriors cant do ANYTHING during it. That’s on other professions levels and fair.

Other professions get built in evades and blocks and invulnerabilities though.

I agree, as long as each Burst Skill gives me 1 second of Evade via trait so I can be on par with thieves and rangers.

I can do this all day, the way your wanting it. I think you just want to turn it into a useless skill.

If your giving it weaknesses, then give it the strengths the other similar skills enjoy, or don’t touch it.

And you must be kidding! warriros wreck engis and necros.

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Requiem.8769:

Daecollo.9578:

Poison IS the counter to regen.

It is a mild counter- and less effective against signet warriors than others. To cause 33% less healing on a healing-signet warrior, I need to perma-poison. To cause 33% less healing on non-passive heals, I need to poison only around the time of the heal. Poison’s efficacy is only more noticeable on healing-signet warriors because their healing is so massive, and thus becomes a necessity.

No, all you need is burst damage. Poison and Burst Damage destroys it.
When they made weakness so amazing they pretty much destroyed a lot of burst damage specs.

When they bring power damage up you will notice a huge difference.

I agree that burst damage+poison can decimate a heal-signet warrior without sufficient condi-clear. That doesn’t change the relative potency of poison on passive vs. active healing.

Necromancer/thief/engineer can perma poison a target with little to no trouble.

That is also true. Yet once again you simply state another irrelevant truth. Poison is still inferior on passive healing relative to active healing, especially considering that not all players are necromancers, thieves, and engineers.

Rock Paper Scissors.

Dear Anet,

Rock is overpowered, Paper is fine. Please nerf it down so I can beat it.

Signed, Scissors.

Thieves and Necromancers and Engineers are classes the Warrior has trouble against.

Now you’re just being silly. Never anywhere have I called Warriors overpowered. Quite the opposite.

My mesmer typically has little trouble against warriors. We have sufficient stun-breakers/teleports to effectively kite them. When I lose, I am confident it was because I was outplayed.

JinDaVikk.7291:

And you must be kidding! warriros wreck engis and necros.

Come duel my necromancer?

I’m getting rather tired of these posts. I will destroy you and screenshot it.

Lol another silly lets duel and find out posts…. your hilarious.

JinDaVikk.7291:

Lol another silly lets duel and find out posts…. your hilarious.

Afraid of being proven wrong and losing?

I am tired of the QQ. If your so unbeatable, COME fight me!

Nikkinella.8254:

I doubt a thief could take down a warrior who isn’t afk or just plain horrible. On any other class, thief is a threat. When i’m playing as my warrior, I actually feel bad for them because of how easy it is. 1 pindown is usually enough to drop those glass cannon ones who put everything into attack and forsake all defense. The ones who stealth constantly and fart condition removal still aren’t a problem. I can stack on the conditions faster than they can cure them, and that’s saying a lot since if traited for it thief has the best condition removal in the game. Well after warrior anyway, but warrior can be totally immune to conditions.

I think a lot of wars aren’t traited and equipped correctly still. Typically they’re of the berserker/PVT hammer/sword+warhorn variety. They should be running condi bunker with longbow/X or cavalier gear with mace+shield/greatsword if they’re roaming.

When they start to gear, trait, and equip correctly we should hear even more QQ than now. There is still untapped potential. The general public is too slow to adapt meta builds.

The OP has a point since EP tooltip used to say “you become invulnerable for 4 seconds” but it was never true.

Daecollo.9578:

JinDaVikk.7291:

Uh dude…. so you want a full invuln? Sure get completely rid of zerker stance and endure pain make it a invuln for 3s and make sure warriors cant do ANYTHING during it. That’s on other professions levels and fair.

Other professions get built in evades and blocks and invulnerabilities though.

I agree, as long as each Burst Skill gives me 1 second of Evade via trait so I can be on par with thieves and rangers.

I can do this all day, the way your wanting it. I think you just want to turn it into a useless skill.

If your giving it weaknesses, then give it the strengths the other similar skills enjoy, or don’t touch it.

Elementalist Mist Form. They don’t get a block. The only evades are Air 5 with Dagger and Fire 4 Staff. Their Mist form doesn’t block capture points and they still take condition damage in it.

Warriors get a variety of blocks and dazes and stuns. I believe GS 3 is an evade. They have berserker to ignore conditions and Endure pain to ignore non conditions.

a-net is relooking warriors. They are buffing shouts and have mentioned that they’re looking at sword/shield. Thanks for reminding them. I don’t think however, they’re looking at anything you have mentioned.

Daecollo.9578:

JinDaVikk.7291:

Lol another silly lets duel and find out posts…. your hilarious.

Afraid of being proven wrong and losing?

I am tired of the QQ. If your so unbeatable, COME fight me!

^ I like this guys style. Not prepared to believe the hype and willing to see for them self “Just how O.P it is.”

Ryld.1340:

Daecollo.9578:

JinDaVikk.7291:

Uh dude…. so you want a full invuln? Sure get completely rid of zerker stance and endure pain make it a invuln for 3s and make sure warriors cant do ANYTHING during it. That’s on other professions levels and fair.

Other professions get built in evades and blocks and invulnerabilities though.

I agree, as long as each Burst Skill gives me 1 second of Evade via trait so I can be on par with thieves and rangers.

I can do this all day, the way your wanting it. I think you just want to turn it into a useless skill.

If your giving it weaknesses, then give it the strengths the other similar skills enjoy, or don’t touch it.

Elementalist Mist Form. They don’t get a block. The only evades are Air 5 with Dagger and Fire 4 Staff. Their Mist form doesn’t block capture points and they still take condition damage in it.

Warriors get a variety of blocks and dazes and stuns. I believe GS 3 is an evade. They have berserker to ignore conditions and Endure pain to ignore non conditions.

Elementalist has massive group support via combo fields, aoe cleansing, aoe healing.

Berserker doesn’t block stuns / crowd control effects.

Invulnerability/Evade/Blocks
- Blocks Stuns.
- Blocks Dazes.
- Blocks Disables.
- Blocks Conditions from hitting you.
- Blocks Physical Damage from hitting you.

Endure Pain
- Makes all physical damage taken = 0.

Berserker Stance
- Reduces conditions to nothing.

You cant cap/hold points in stealth. Endure Pain comes from limited sources with fair cooldown each. Stealth with proper build can be spammed. A good stealth tanky thief could hold points “forever”. Warrior with Endure Pain cant. Wait it out and then deal with him.

Daecollo.9578:

JinDaVikk.7291:

Lol another silly lets duel and find out posts…. your hilarious.

Afraid of being proven wrong and losing?

I am tired of the QQ. If your so unbeatable, COME fight me!

I’ve already proven how the Warrior is OP right now. There is no problem for me to prove that as a Warrior you can easily wreck Necromancers by just spamming stuns and lol-crazy invulnerability stances, without worrying about anything else.

You can add me ingame, I will make a screenshot of you lying on the ground and post it in this topic, if you think it will prove how crazy OP are warriors right now.

sorrow.2364:

Daecollo.9578:

JinDaVikk.7291:

Lol another silly lets duel and find out posts…. your hilarious.

Afraid of being proven wrong and losing?

I am tired of the QQ. If your so unbeatable, COME fight me!

I’ve already proven how the Warrior is OP right now. There is no problem for me to prove that as a Warrior you can easily wreck Necromancers by just spamming stuns and lol-crazy invulnerability stances, without worrying about anything else.

You can add me ingame, I will make a screenshot of you lying on the ground and post it in this topic, if you think it will prove how crazy OP are warriors right now.

K.

Log in your warrior.

Meet me in spvp. :]

Duel me

I wanna see how good your stuns are to someone who knows the Warrior class like the back of his hand.

You keep forgetting to mention you cant do anything during an invuln but during berzerker stance/endure pain you can. Invulns are meant for escaping burst/getting away otherwise its a few second standoff where nothing happens. Better yet the other guy didn’t use a utility for it.

Endure pain is fine the way it is.

JinDaVikk.7291:

You keep forgetting to mention you cant do anything during an invuln but during berzerker stance/endure pain you can. Invulns are meant for escaping burst/getting away otherwise its a few second standoff where nothing happens. Better yet the other guy didn’t use a utility for it.

Endure pain is fine the way it is.

Block/Evades are Invulns, and some classes can heal and do damage while doing them. like Guardian and Thief.

Evades are not even 1 second long. Yes thief can spam them but thats an issue being looked into.

Guardian heals at end of dodge and regen always heals at all times for all professions.

Try again.

JinDaVikk.7291:

Evades are not even 1 second long. Yes thief can spam them but thats an issue being looked into.

Guardian heals at end of dodge and regen always heals at all times for all professions.

Try again.

Shelter provides Blocks and Heals.

You sure ya know your classes?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shelter

Blocks for 2 s
- Blocks Stuns.
- Blocks Dazes.
- Blocks Disables.
- Blocks Conditions from hitting you.
- Blocks Physical Damage from hitting you.

Has half the cool-down of Endure Pain.

Can still capture points while using it.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endure_Pain

Applies Endure Pain for 4 s
- Makes all physical damage taken = 0.

Can still capture points while using it.

Shelter is better, it prevents everything from hitting you.

Shelter heals at the end of the block. Corrupt boon can interupt, unblockable can kill or interupt guardian during shelter. Try again.

Nevermind, I can’t duel EU players. So I can’t prove you wrong. Lol.

JinDaVikk.7291:

Shelter heals at the end of the block. Corrupt boon can interupt, unblockable can kill or interupt guardian during shelter. Try again.

That can all get through Endure Pain as well. Try again?

I have no problem with warriors being strong but the ability to just spam cc is ruining a lot of solo q matches which frequently have 2-3 warriors per side. I don’t want to here about stun breaks or dodging I run 2 stun breaks and am a guardian with vigorous precision and energy sigils. It is not good game play all these people running around chain stunning. In team queue it wouldn’t work as well but with five strangers its so op if you have a couple warriors that know what they are doing with hammer.

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kitten s.7421:

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Daecollo.9578:

kitten s.7421:

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Daecollo.9578:

Nevermind, I can’t duel EU players. So I can’t prove you wrong. Lol.

Please, any NA player take my place and duel him. You don’t need to be skilled as a Warrior, neither you need to know the profession or the traits. You just need to spam stuns on cooldown.

I’ll pass the build to anyone willing to take over.

They aren’t ruining SoloQ only.

Hammer Longbow = God mode

Razor.6392:

Warrior stunlock build and any necro build.

Most braindead classes in the game atm

Play power necro and call that brain dead

Let me get this straight,

I mentioned evades being low time wise and that you cannot do anything during them. You bring up a block, I assume to associated it with an evade, which I pointed out. Evades cannot be countered like blocks. So you mention endure pain proving my point that endure pain isnt an invuln and you can do things during it… So not being able to cap a point is a stupid nerf?

What are you even getting at?

kitten s.7421:

Play power necro and call that brain dead

Yeah, he should.
He should also try to play condition Necro without Dhuumfire.

sorrow.2364:

kitten s.7421:

Play power necro and call that brain dead

Yeah, he should.
He should also try to play condition Necro without Dhuumfire.

Its sad that easy one to play is significantly better because its easy. Power necro would be viable if the meta was all spam condis

sorrow.2364:

Daecollo.9578:

Nevermind, I can’t duel EU players. So I can’t prove you wrong. Lol.

Please, any NA player take my place and duel him. You don’t need to be skilled as a Warrior, neither you need to know the profession or the traits. You just need to spam stuns on cooldown.

I’ll pass the build to anyone willing to take over.

Your post oozes of ignorance. Spamming stuns on CD is a great way to miss them.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Your post oozes of ignorance. Spamming stuns on CD is a great way to miss them.

You sure?
Because as far as I know, the stun cooldowns are so low that you can afford to spam them mindlessly. I even use Earthshaker on enemy I’m sure they have stability on, because I just don’t care. 8s later I’ll have ES back on.

Power necromancer is viable. It just requires a specific team comp.

It’s possible to get high-rated with it in solo queue, too. I’ve remained in the top 100 when playing around with both axe and main-hand dagger.