Guild Wars 2

I’m not here to argue that the class is in a good state. I’m just here to argue that the class is serviceable enough for one build to fill one niche and be rated good on MetaBattle. Right now, there are three Conquest builds on MetaBattle:

-a Marauder Rifle build with CC and cleansing,
-a Berserker Rifle build that’s very similar, but goes a little harder on burst damage,
-and an Axe/Axe build that’s mediocre at best.

All three builds are fairly neglected — either left incomplete or ignored by the Warrior community, often not receiving a single vote or rating. I know for the most part our community considers the class non-viable in tournament play, but ranked arena isn’t comprised of strictly tournament-level players. How is it useful for us to not even have an okay/serviceable build to point players towards? Don’t we have the basic trait setup down pat? Two stances, Defense/Discipline, Eternal Champion and so on and so forth?

This has been a bit of a pet peeve of mine for a while now. We should have something to at least gather around and work on, even if we know it won’t be the best of the best. We do have functional builds, and people should know about them.

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

The first sentence of warlord paragraph. And also it doesn’t matter how you cut it at OP, people will always be drawn towards the OPEST build. And warrior have like 5 viable builds atm.

Warrior only has five playable build because they are so weak. when everything you have is weak its not hard to find a few “decent” options.

Fideles Erbstück.7382:

@emkelly then u probably don’t know how to play warrior if u consider them weak. U can win most of the fights with the little tricks u can do . But I guess u play the game of anet wants it .

Woot, woot, woot, look, we have another big boy here
seriously have no idea how some people can get so arrogant and often turns out to be low MMR and low experience most of the times….what’s the saying again?
the more you know the less you think you know, the less you know the more you think you know.
right on, man

Fideles Erbstück.7382
@emkelly then u probably don’t know how to play warrior if u consider them weak. U can win most of the fights with the little tricks u can do . But I guess u play the game of anet wants it .

I’ve been playing Warrior since Launch, and while I’m no where near as skilled as the top tier players, I know what I’m doing. I am guessing that by “tricks you can do” you are referring to a 25k unblockable Gunflame. Hate to burst your bubble but that’s not a trick, that’s a gimmick, and it takes 0 skill to pull off and also it takes 0 skill to counter.

Other than Gunflame, there are no real tricks with he warrior. There are ways to bait out dodges, force stun breaks, and of course to time your endure pain effectively, but those are not tricks. that is basic game play.

Warriors are simply not viable at the top level of tournament play or anywhere close to that. There are many great warriors players in those matches, yet they have to play something else to give their team the punch they need. There are good reasons why you do not see them in the ESL teams. People who do not even play team queues or sPvP still end up copying the current meta stuff. Pretty much where the general ideas about current balance comes from.

You can still do perfectly fine in duels or in most WvW encounters, though.
Duels especially give you the chance to pick whichever utilities you might require to win against that one enemy. You do not have to take the mandatory stances or condition removal you just have to take in a team game.
There is a huge difference between being viable at the top level and being viable in other places like solo queue, WvW, duels, etc.

Also, isn’t it funny that there is always this one guy that comes in and tells everyone that they simply need to l2p and they’d be owning like he does. I wonder why other classes do not have any “little tricks” to counter your “little tricks”…

Tricks

• DH: Lay traps, Pull, Laugh
• Reaper: Death Shroud ignores direct damage AND condition damage, cycle through it three times before going down, Laugh
• Revenant: Prep Utilities, Use sword 3, Use shield laugh
• Scrapper: Use hammer, use Function gyro, Laugh
• Tempest: Follow the Anet Community Approved cycle through Attunements, laugh
• Elementalist: Follow the Anet Community Approved cycle through Attunements, laugh
• Chronomancer: No Tricks, they had their’s taken away, Cry
• Thief: cheer because you are useful again.

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

Wow really? I might’ve skipped something but there is no rule in the game that says you shoud be either good or “pro”. What is wrong with better players sharing knowledge with others? Anyone that is motivated enough to post a silly comment like this could use that energy to do something good instead. I fully concur with the OP.

“Either your good and know how to play or you are bad and should go play rev”.

Read that sentance and think about how absurd it is. That’s like the most ignorant thing. I don’t main a warrior, but I enjoy playing one very much. I also think Revenant is boring as hell (personal opinion). I don’t plan on doing legend with it, but having a few viable build choices is better than having nothing. It’s not a matter mindlessly copy/pasting a build. It’s about learning and understanding what might be good and bending it to suit your style. If it’s really THAT terrible as some of you post in your abominable comments, then having a sub-par build will make things even worse for someone that is “not-as-pro” as you guys.

Akira.5746:

This has been a bit of a pet peeve of mine for a while now. We should have something to at least gather around and work on, even if we know it won’t be the best of the best. We do have functional builds, and people should know about them.

I think none of the “Warrior from Launch” here wants to share, so I guess new players are on their own

The first build ist very close to what i build, but i use paladin amulet and +stun duration in the mace. I am not a good warrior player since i usualy play ele 99%. I wanted to try warrior and came up that a CC + rife fits best. Its just dam hard to land the CC.
And why viper? Just for the gunflame burn to max out damage ?

What I wrote makes perfect since if you can play warrior half way decently. Warrior has no tricks. You survive and win on things like positioning, dodging, faking out the enemy. Every skill you have is super telegraphed and slow. you have no sustain outside 4 seconds of endure pain unless you use a shield. Literally all you have is your body.

So when I say good warriors don’t need meta battle I mean it. You need to have in depth knowledge of game mechanics and decent motor skills to play the warrior right now. No build is going to carry you like on other classes.

Thats why i am not good with warrior. I trained ele for half a year and my motoric skills, especially with warrior are not good :-). But since i know how to play and always build myself i can still be useful with my warrior. Warrior has a high skill cap. ele is not easy to master but warrior feels more dificult, because i can´t handle that 130 range close combat well enough…

Fivedawgs.4267:

The first sentence of warlord paragraph. And also it doesn’t matter how you cut it at OP, people will always be drawn towards the OPEST build. And warrior have like 5 viable builds atm.

Fivedawgs you smooth mother kittener.

Bugg.9231:

Fivedawgs.4267:

The first sentence of warlord paragraph. And also it doesn’t matter how you cut it at OP, people will always be drawn towards the OPEST build. And warrior have like 5 viable builds atm.

Fivedawgs you smooth mother kittener.

Lol stop please, best warrior NA. Stop humiliating me!!! Please Senpai

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds.

Warlord.9074:

What I wrote makes perfect since if you can play warrior half way decently. Warrior has no tricks. You survive and win on things like positioning, dodging, faking out the enemy. Every skill you have is super telegraphed and slow. you have no sustain outside 4 seconds of endure pain unless you use a shield. Literally all you have is your body.

So when I say good warriors don’t need meta battle I mean it. You need to have in depth knowledge of game mechanics and decent motor skills to play the warrior right now. No build is going to carry you like on other classes.

I don’t disagree— hell, no one has any business playing Warrior, Mesmer or even Thief if they want to win, but as far as I’m concerned it’s a gross exaggeration for a build site to be so desolate of support that they feel a stock GS/Hammer Warrior is still relevant yet Berserker isn’t. We have better builds than GS/Hammer/Rampage.

Henry.5713:

Warriors are simply not viable at the top level of tournament play or anywhere close to that. There are many great warriors players in those matches, yet they have to play something else to give their team the punch they need. There are good reasons why you do not see them in the ESL teams.

There is a huge difference between being viable at the top level and being viable in other places like solo queue, WvW, duels, etc.

Also agreed. But where is the line drawn between top level and solo/duo queues? Diamond, Legendary? Shouldn’t Berserker’s best build, one that has the best potential to reach Legendary, at least be on public display?

Wolfric.9380:

The first build is very close to what I use, but I use Paladin amulet and +stun duration in the mace. I am not a good warrior player since i usually play ele 99%. I wanted to try warrior and came up that a CC + rifle fits best. Its just dam hard to land the CC.

And why Viper? Just for the Gun Flame burn to max out damage ?

It was just for Gun Flame and Skull Grinder initially, but the build has changed a lot since then, in ways that better justify Viper.

A handful of people have started chipping in on the Viper Rifle build, and for that I’m thankful. It’s still just as bursty as it was before, but UNLIKE before it can actually run away and reset when a situation becomes bad. It’s ingenious, and compensates for Warrior’s weaknesses (11 seconds of immunity, then you die) considerably by playing conservatively with Rifle despite Rifle offering significant damape, and being able to escape when Rifle still isn’t safe enough. All it needs is two more Good/Great votes and there’ll be reason to iron out the Usage section.

Warriors deserve better than a blank FAQ and a lot of miserable veterans. The few that still want to help, can and should help.

I would try and put my build on there, but i have 0 idea how to wiki edit

Akira.5746:

Henry.5713:

Warriors are simply not viable at the top level of tournament play or anywhere close to that. There are many great warriors players in those matches, yet they have to play something else to give their team the punch they need. There are good reasons why you do not see them in the ESL teams.

There is a huge difference between being viable at the top level and being viable in other places like solo queue, WvW, duels, etc.

Also agreed. But where is the line drawn between top level and solo/duo queues? Diamond, Legendary? Shouldn’t Berserker’s best build, one that has the best potential to reach Legendary, at least be on public display?

Certainly. Classes or simple builds become part of the current meta because they are the most viable and most usuful choice. People should be told about those builds before they are told about anything that supposedly works.
I worded it the way I did to stop the usual rebels from disgreeing about anything concerning meta, viability and especially metabattle.

Zietlogik.6208:

I would try and put my build on there, but i have 0 idea how to wiki edit

This is a large reason for why I never bother putting my builds on there as well, but I also would rather just post them to YouTube and let others decide if they would consider such builds “metabattle-worthy” or not.

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

Those Good Warriors should submit their build to Metabattle then.

Zietlogik.6208:

I would try and put my build on there, but i have 0 idea how to wiki edit

To create a new page:

You see this link?

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Herald_-_Power_Shiro

Type in “Build:Berserker – insert build name here” replacing the end of the link. Don’t worry about underscores(_), the link will fill it up for you. Then Create a new page.

To edit the page:

Copy the template from here by clicking Action, which is in the upper right hand corner, and then click edit when the drop down box appear. This will open up the template of the build. You can copy that big wall of text and paste it in your new page.

Replace the traits and skills. Make sure that rating = draft and that it shouldn’t be rating = test. This is so that you can still finish creating your build.

If you have troubles, you can go onto the metabattle discord channel.

Unpopular opinion time. Yes, I know, you guys will probably call me a noob/filthy casual/PvE scum for saying this. But anyway…

I use an axe/axe/longbow build, based on the build you didn’t think was worth linking. Strength/Defense/Berserker. Sort of a glass cannon, but it kills stuff, [insert proper word here]it. I’m almost always in berserk mode thanks to my superfast axe attacks recharging my adrenaline instantly. (Axe skill 5 is OP in that respect!) And I use my longbow on Skyhammer and Spirit Watch to snipe noobs around the orb/on the floor below me.

I’d love to use a high-sustain weapon combo to go with my axes in Stronghold and on the more standard Conquest maps (Foefire, Kyhlo, Silent Storm, and Niflhel), but it’s nice to have some range when I need it. Suggestions? Should I try rifle, even though I hate the feel of it?

KestrelGirl.9267:

Unpopular opinion time. Yes, I know, you guys will probably call me a noob/filthy casual/PvE scum for saying this. But anyway…

I use an axe/axe/longbow build, based on the build you didn’t think was worth linking. Strength/Defense/Berserker. Sort of a glass cannon, but it kills stuff, [insert proper word here]it. I’m almost always in berserk mode thanks to my superfast axe attacks recharging my adrenaline instantly. (Axe skill 5 is OP in that respect!) And I use my longbow on Skyhammer and Spirit Watch to snipe noobs around the orb/on the floor below me.

I’d love to use a high-sustain weapon combo to go with my axes in Stronghold and on the more standard Conquest maps (Foefire, Kyhlo, Silent Storm, and Niflhel), but it’s nice to have some range when I need it. Suggestions? Should I try rifle, even though I hate the feel of it?

Link that Axe/Axe? There’s a REALLY good chance it’s mine from the timing of this post, it’s just something I’ve tried and had some success with. (Also King of Fires is there by accident, it’s supposed to be Eternal Champion).

Frankly, I posted it because there’s no support for Warriors on the site, and it says right in the page history that it’s there to be torn apart. There’s a Hammer/GS build that “works” but there’s other options and it leads a lot of new players (since seriously, if we’re talking about the level of play where Warriors aren’t viable you shouldn’t need MB anyway) to assume that Berserker is outright garbage instead of an alternate playstyle. As trash as it is, the idea was to at least post something and get people looking at things to see what does and doesn’t work, and feedback is exactly what happened in the comments.

I would argue that hammer gs is in a worse spot than hammer x/shield due to the abundance of stability in the meta.

SirBread.9325:

KestrelGirl.9267:

Unpopular opinion time. Yes, I know, you guys will probably call me a noob/filthy casual/PvE scum for saying this. But anyway…

I use an axe/axe/longbow build, based on the build you didn’t think was worth linking. Strength/Defense/Berserker. Sort of a glass cannon, but it kills stuff, [insert proper word here]it. I’m almost always in berserk mode thanks to my superfast axe attacks recharging my adrenaline instantly. (Axe skill 5 is OP in that respect!) And I use my longbow on Skyhammer and Spirit Watch to snipe noobs around the orb/on the floor below me.

I’d love to use a high-sustain weapon combo to go with my axes in Stronghold and on the more standard Conquest maps (Foefire, Kyhlo, Silent Storm, and Niflhel), but it’s nice to have some range when I need it. Suggestions? Should I try rifle, even though I hate the feel of it?

Link that Axe/Axe? There’s a REALLY good chance it’s mine from the timing of this post, it’s just something I’ve tried and had some success with. (Also King of Fires is there by accident, it’s supposed to be Eternal Champion).

Frankly, I posted it because there’s no support for Warriors on the site, and it says right in the page history that it’s there to be torn apart. There’s a Hammer/GS build that “works” but there’s other options and it leads a lot of new players (since seriously, if we’re talking about the level of play where Warriors aren’t viable you shouldn’t need MB anyway) to assume that Berserker is outright garbage instead of an alternate playstyle. As trash as it is, the idea was to at least post something and get people looking at things to see what does and doesn’t work, and feedback is exactly what happened in the comments.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAnXTjMdQZI2FCWhAnIW+BMjHQAoA8+crufXkbXOoGA-TpBFABRcIAkb/BBOCAA8AAI4EAIeZAA This is what I’m running. Strength/Defense instead of Arms/Defense, different rune, etc.

runeblade.7514:

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

Those Good Warriors should submit their build to Metabattle then.

I haven’t shared my Malice hammer build with anyone but guildies and i detest metabattle since everyone has access to it that build then becomes nul-void its lost its combat potental since everyone plays it without knowing how to use it competatively.

in the end that build becomes a low lvl pick up build for pvp beginners as thats the first place people visit meta battle , if people want to rise in the ranks they need to learn through trail and error.

runeblade.7514:

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

Those Good Warriors should submit their build to Metabattle then.

If I just tell you that 6 of 9 your traits are mandatory and they exist in defense and discipline tree exactly how hard can it be its not rocket science.

I have my own private build.

It’s gotten me to Sapphire today, riding my 2nd win-streak right now.

When I start running into some real competition or get to legendary I’ll lend the build out.

Fivedawgs.4267:

The first sentence of warlord paragraph. And also it doesn’t matter how you cut it at OP, people will always be drawn towards the OPEST build. And warrior have like 5 viable builds atm.

that’s an lie, semi viable would be better description, unless you have 5 secret warrior builds that are not yet revealed I’m honestly not seeing this.

runeblade.7514:

Warlord.9074:

good warriors don’t use meta battle. Bad ones should just go play rev. Warrior is too hard to play right now for people that need to copy builds. Thats honestly how I feel about it. Seriously and it’s not to be mean.

Those Good Warriors should submit their build to Metabattle then.

Did you read anything Warlord said? Putting their builds on metabattle will not help any of the lower-skill players be good. Even half decent warrior builds are outranged by meta builds on every other class.

TLDR: builds won’t carry you if you want to play warrior

Personally i’m running a marauder style gs/rifle right now . Honestly i prefer the feel of the zerky gs/rifle , especially when you use those 3 seconds of quickness on primal burst to setup devastating choppah rushes . ( 5—} f2—-} 2—- } f1—-} 3 + forward —-} wepswitch ---} f1 or 3 == much love )

I know also a good viper/sinister bernzerker build, but that’s now mostly restricted to bow+swd/torch ( and i blame king of fire nerf). But that’s what i was doing mostly last season, so i decided to mix it up a lil’ bit.

I know ostrich wanted to challenge himself and play some warrior this season….. which to me is interesting since i’ve known him a long time. I’m sure we’re gonna have a constructive chat at the end of the season if he keeps up with it.

Honestly, “Metabattle won’t make you good at Warrior” is a pretty trashy argument to make – it’s a given as it applies to literally every class in the game, because there’s mechanical decisions you have to make regardless of what you’re playing; I can look up a Mesmer or Ele build off there, but it won’t tell me right off the bat how to manage phantasms or attunements, those are things you only get with practice.

The point from the get-go was to look at the site and maybe get some people actually examining things beginners can use to some degree of success, since that’s 99% of what the site is for in the first place. I’m not naive enough to argue that Warriors are top-tier in the current meta, but it’s a bit ridiculous to suggest that GS/Hammer is the only thing that works, especially if the argument that it’s mostly player skill holds water. Warrior clearly has options and it’s up to the players to make it or break it, but I think it’s totally valid to want more of the class community to support some of the newer folks.

Most of the builds are listed in this forum here.

Rofl at all the special snowflakes in this thread. “Oh, my super secret build is X good.” Yea, well, if it’s so good why didn’t anyone use it in ESL? Because it’s garbage.

If you want the honest answer, Warrior is bad at the moment, and no builds are decent. While you shouldn’t 100% rely on the classes picked for tournaments, the fact that no one played Warrior should scream that Warrior has no synergy with every other class.

Everyone in this thread talking about their “secret” build are either being carried or they are skilled enough to overcome the cons of playing the class. Skill can overcome some handicaps a class has, but it does not make it equal to the other classes in terms of strength, reliability, and synergy.

At this point in time, a new Necromancer with a build from MetaBattle will be more effective in a battle than a good/decent Warrior with all builds.

Renim.6921:

Rofl at all the special snowflakes in this thread. “Oh, my super secret build is X good.” Yea, well, if it’s so good why didn’t anyone use it in ESL? Because it’s garbage.

If you want the honest answer, Warrior is bad at the moment, and no builds are decent. While you shouldn’t 100% rely on the classes picked for tournaments, the fact that no one played Warrior should scream that Warrior has no synergy with every other class.

Everyone in this thread talking about their “secret” build are either being carried or they are skilled enough to overcome the cons of playing the class. Skill can overcome some handicaps a class has, but it does not make it equal to the other classes in terms of strength, reliability, and synergy.

At this point in time, a new Necromancer with a build from MetaBattle will be more effective in a battle than a good/decent Warrior with all builds.

I don’t think anyone here spoke specifically about tourney play.

All I know is I at the rate I am going (pretty solid) Legendary as Warrior solo queue is a definite possibility for me this season, rather than last.

The only profession that my build specifically cannot deal with properly is a Scrapper 1v1, which is fine since they tend to well, excel at that sort of thing. Oddly enough, only thieves have been a real other wildcard for me, but that is largely due to build discrepancy and the fact that anyone playing Thief at High Sapphire as of yesterday afternoon probably knows quite a bit more than the pleb picking up Necro for the first time and being ‘carried’ by a build.

Sykper.6583:

Renim.6921:

Rofl at all the special snowflakes in this thread. “Oh, my super secret build is X good.” Yea, well, if it’s so good why didn’t anyone use it in ESL? Because it’s garbage.

If you want the honest answer, Warrior is bad at the moment, and no builds are decent. While you shouldn’t 100% rely on the classes picked for tournaments, the fact that no one played Warrior should scream that Warrior has no synergy with every other class.

Everyone in this thread talking about their “secret” build are either being carried or they are skilled enough to overcome the cons of playing the class. Skill can overcome some handicaps a class has, but it does not make it equal to the other classes in terms of strength, reliability, and synergy.

At this point in time, a new Necromancer with a build from MetaBattle will be more effective in a battle than a good/decent Warrior with all builds.

I don’t think anyone here spoke specifically about tourney play.

All I know is I at the rate I am going (pretty solid) Legendary as Warrior solo queue is a definite possibility for me this season, rather than last.

The only profession that my build specifically cannot deal with properly is a Scrapper 1v1, which is fine since they tend to well, excel at that sort of thing. Oddly enough, only thieves have been a real other wildcard for me, but that is largely due to build discrepancy and the fact that anyone playing Thief at High Sapphire as of yesterday afternoon probably knows quite a bit more than the pleb picking up Necro for the first time and being ‘carried’ by a build.

If anyone plays long enough they can get into the upper ranks. All it takes is a few winstreaks and you’re in. With the way PvP works, the time zones, time that people play, etc… you will eventually find a way into a higher rank.

The difference is how you walk into it. Right now, Scrapper, Revenant, and Necro waltz into ranks easily. Warrior flails around aimlessly into the ranks at the moment.

It doesn’t matter how good you can 1v1 any class, what matters is team play. Warriors have no synergy at the moment for team play. We have abilities that can help our team, but we can’t take them for fear of getting destroyed because we have low defense.

Necro’s, Revenant, and Scrapper’s can impact team fights more than Warrior can.

If you don’t believe me, go roll a Necro/Scrapper/Rev with a build from MetaBattle. With a few spells, you are greatly helping your team vs. the Warrior with the Gunflame ability that is super gimmicky, or the Hammer/GS build that is too slow, or whatever build warrior has at the moment.