Shield Stance Buff?

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Posted by: Nevarato.3178

Nevarato.3178

I feel Shield Stance’s duration when compared to other skills seems a bit underpowered. You get 3 secs of block for 30/24 sec CD. Against mesmer’s Blurred Frenzy which gains 2 secs of invul on a 10 sec CD, which is 4 secs for 20 secs and 6 secs for 30. Which also is also a powerful atk and evades necro marks and ranger traps. And elementalist’s Obsidian Flesh which is 5 secs of invul on 50 sec CD, against war 3 secs for 30/24 and 6 secs for 60/48 secs. Which also allows you to continue using weapon skills and avoids necro marks and ranger traps.

So i think that it needs a duration buff up to 5 secs.

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Posted by: Arkanis Drako.5169

Arkanis Drako.5169

I´d rather they reduced the cooldown.

To block two more seconds would be nice,
but in my opinion Warriors should primarily hit instead
of getting hit.

Shield Stance with a lower cooldown would enable
warriors to use it more often, when they need it,
instead of blocking for a longer time, without dealing damage.

As far as I am concerned, it´s used to block key attacks of
hard hitting npcs(npc-groups) and bosses or damage dealers in PvP.

I hardly feel the need to have a 5 seconds long block for PvE
and in PvP people would stop attacking after the first
or second attack, unless they have unblockable attacks.

A lower cooldown to mitigate damage more often would
benefit the warrior much more.

(edited by Arkanis Drako.5169)

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

Off-hand Shield:

4
Sentinel Stance
Hold your shield outwards protecting yourself from incoming attacks!
Protection: 1s for every second “Defensive” is active.
Defensive: 8s (Lowers the warriors out-going damage by 20%.)
Cooldown: 15s.
(You gain unique melee animations when using this ability, you hold your shield in front of you protectively and swing your weapons differently.)


5
Shield Block
Block attacks: 3s
Channel: 3s
Cooldown: 15s

It switches to a secondary ability after you block, you can use this during channeling or 10s after the channeling of block.

Shield Bash
Bash your foe with your shield and stun them.
Damage: 302
Stun: 1 s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 300

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Posted by: Scoobaniec.9561

Scoobaniec.9561

Engi “shield stance” is on 20cd..funny inst it?

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Posted by: Arkanis Drako.5169

Arkanis Drako.5169

Off-hand Shield:

4
Sentinel Stance
Hold your shield outwards protecting yourself from incoming attacks!
Protection: 8s
Defensive: 8s (Lowers the warriors out-going damage by 20%.)
Cooldown: 15s.
(You gain unique melee animations when using this ability, you hold your shield in front of you protectively and swing your weapons differently.)


5
Shield Block
Block attacks: 3s
Channel: 3s
Cooldown: 15s

It switches to a secondary ability after you block, you can use this during channeling or 10s after the channeling of block.

Shield Bash
Bash your foe with your shield and stun them.
Damage: 302
Stun: 1 s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 300

I like both ideas, but the second idea
would enable warriors to double shield bash,
which could be a little too much.

A channeling skill which reduces the cooldown
if not used for the entire time sounds great, though.

It would promote smart use of the skill.

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

Stuns don’t stack, double shield back would deal less damage then Auto attacks.

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Posted by: Arkanis Drako.5169

Arkanis Drako.5169

They may not stack if used closley after each other,
but you could hit them with one shieldbash, attack with another
attack and then shieldbash them another time by canceling your suggested
“shield block”.

Not that I would not want it that way^^,
it just seems to be very strong two have
two stuns.

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

They may not stack if used closley after each other,
but you could hit them with one shieldbash, attack with another
attack and then shieldbash them another time by canceling your suggested
“shield block”.

Not that I would not want it that way^^,
it just seems to be very strong two have
two stuns.

We can do that already with hammer, however after the first stun they could dodge the next or use a stun-break.

The animation for Shield bash has always been easy to avoid, but you could also make the buff last 8 seconds instead of 10, or 7 seconds, even 5.

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Posted by: Artaz.3819

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33% more defense (effective HP) for 20% damage loss on > 50% uptime … and that is without understanding if “Protection: 8s” to be affected by Boon Duration or with the Shield talent 20% cooldown reduction talent (which together would mean perma-protection uptime) for a “turn on/turn off” 20% damage loss …

Yeah, a little too good I would say No build would be without it.

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

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33% more defense (effective HP) for 20% damage loss on > 50% uptime … and that is without understanding if “Protection: 8s” to be affected by Boon Duration or with the Shield talent 20% cooldown reduction talent (which together would mean perma-protection uptime) for a “turn on/turn off” 20% damage loss …

Yeah, a little too good I would say No build would be without it.

Boons can be stripped and removed. If it is the -20% de-buff is still attached to you. However I changed it to grant 1s of protection every second it was up. This means the Warrior needs at least 50% Boon Duration to get more out of it.

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(edited by Daecollo.9578)

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Posted by: Retsuko.2035

Retsuko.2035

I´d rather they reduced the cooldown.

To block two more seconds would be nice,
but in my opinion Warriors should primarily hit instead
of getting hit.

Shield Stance with a lower cooldown would enable
warriors to use it more often, when they need it,
instead of blocking for a longer time, without dealing damage.

I agree with this.
Besides all the good ideas here, wouldn’t it make sense if damage done in the direction of the shield, that everything behind the shield (player + allies) get protected as well?

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Posted by: Olba.5376

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Off-hand Shield:

4
Sentinel Stance
Hold your shield outwards protecting yourself from incoming attacks!
Protection: 1s for every second “Defensive” is active.
Defensive: 8s (Lowers the warriors out-going damage by 20%.)
Cooldown: 15s.
(You gain unique melee animations when using this ability, you hold your shield in front of you protectively and swing your weapons differently.)

I don’t like this. With some boon duration stuffs, you could easily get this to give out permanent protection.

5
Shield Block
Block attacks: 3s
Channel: 3s
Cooldown: 15s

It switches to a secondary ability after you block, you can use this during channeling or 10s after the channeling of block.

Shield Bash
Bash your foe with your shield and stun them.
Damage: 302
Stun: 1 s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 300

Don’t like this either. Why do I need to put my Shield Stance on cooldown if I wanna use Shield Bash?

I like the current abilities and honestly I think they’re fine as it is. The only stuns in the game that have a cooldown lower than 25s are all Warrior bursts. The ones with 25s cooldown are Hilt Bash, Shocking Aura and Magic Bullet. Out of those, only Magic Bullet has 2s stun, the other two are 1s.

As for Shield Stance, it’s already giving out a 10% damage reduction in combat, bumped up to 20% with the trait.

The shield is a weapon that is awesome if you use it right. Use it wrong and it’s not that great.

(edited by Olba.5376)

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Posted by: AlBundy.7851

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You must hate the classes with high uptimes on protection, retaliation and vigor as well?

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

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Off-hand Shield:

4
Sentinel Stance
Hold your shield outwards protecting yourself from incoming attacks!
Protection: 1s for every second “Defensive” is active.
Defensive: 8s (Lowers the warriors out-going damage by 20%.)
Cooldown: 15s.
(You gain unique melee animations when using this ability, you hold your shield in front of you protectively and swing your weapons differently.)

I don’t like this. With some boon duration stuffs, you could easily get this to give out permanent protection.

5
Shield Block
Block attacks: 3s
Channel: 3s
Cooldown: 15s

It switches to a secondary ability after you block, you can use this during channeling or 10s after the channeling of block.

Shield Bash
Bash your foe with your shield and stun them.
Damage: 302
Stun: 1 s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 300

Don’t like this either. Why do I need to put my Shield Stance on cooldown if I wanna use Shield Bash?

I like the current abilities and honestly I think they’re fine as it is. The only stuns in the game that have a cooldown lower than 25s are all Warrior bursts. The ones with 25s cooldown are Hilt Bash, Shocking Aura and Magic Bullet. Out of those, only Magic Bullet has 2s stun, the other two are 1s.

As for Shield Stance, it’s already giving out a 10% damage reduction in combat, bumped up to 20% with the trait.

The shield is a weapon that is awesome if you use it right. Use it wrong and it’s not that great.

Um, after you have 3000 toughness, it gives you about 1.4%, then another 1.1% with the trait.

Toughness has horrible diminishing returns.

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Posted by: Brutalistik.6473

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Engi “shield stance” is on 20cd..funny inst it?

Their excuse is…they wear medium armor /laugh

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Posted by: peter.9024

peter.9024

You must hate the classes with high uptimes on protection, retaliation and vigor as well?

Yes, everyone in the warrior forums hates those classes :p

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Posted by: Olba.5376

Olba.5376

Um, after you have 3000 toughness, it gives you about 1.4%, then another 1.1% with the trait.

Toughness has horrible diminishing returns.

Where did I mention Toughness?

Also, you gotta stop referencing the damage reduction numbers from GW2BuildCraft, as those are not actual damage reduction numbers.