Sundering Mace/Reflect Missiles Changes

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

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Mace as a weapon has often been viewed as being inferior to Hammer. This is understandable, Mace’s burst is only single target and it is very slow and obvious. In addition, you almost never see anyone using Mace taking the Mastery Trait Sundering Mace. It’s slightly more useful now that the 3rd attack in the chain actually connects but it still isn’t worth taking over Cleansing Ire or going 6 points in to take both. With the weapon’s focus on a single target Skull Crack could use some special effect to make it more attractive in PvP/WvW. I believe that effect should be the ability to strip Stability on a high icd. As for how High of an icd would have to be tested. I would imagine it would have to be around 45 seconds to a minute.

This would give the weapon a specific role. Other boon stripping specs can’t specifically target Stability and it would make it able to save teammates that are about to be stomped.

Another benefit of the Mace is a low CD block that when traited can reflect projectiles. This means you also bring a shield most of the time for the setup stun and the block. The problem here is that you almost never see Shield Master used because of it. I feel that Reflect Missiles and Shield Master should be one trait. If it is seen that having both +90 Toughness and Reflect in addition to the CD reduction is too strong I don’t think most players would mind losing the toughness, it’s not like it helps much in the first place.

Bullet point list for connivence:

  • Sundering Mace gains the ability to strip Stability
  • High ICD (45-1min?)
  • Merge Shield Master and Reflect Missiles
  • If needed drop the +toughness
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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

Sebrent.3625

If that was done, I’d definitely love Mace + Shield.

MH with a block & CC plus OH with a block & CC ? Yes, please!

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

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If that was done, I’d definitely love Mace + Shield.

MH with a block & CC plus OH with a block & CC ? Yes, please!

What’s nice is that due to the Adrenaline and Skull Crack changes it’s difficult enough to hit that it justifies the powerful effect. It forces a real choice between the AoE/Ease of use that is Hammer and the strong single target CC/Stab stripping of Mace. Atm Mace is USEABLE but not worth taking over all that AoE.

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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If you had mace just boon strip like Mesmer Sword … I’d be all over that.

Don’t see it happening since their solution was +3% damage per boon on target (meh), but hey, one can dream.

I’m still curious about a Mace build that focuses on keeping weakness on your target while also having good condition removal for itself. Weakness to reduce enemy direct damage while cleanses to reduce enemy condition damage. Then wear them down.

Haven’t gotten around to testing that idea out yet :-/

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

If you had mace just boon strip like Mesmer Sword … I’d be all over that.

Don’t see it happening since their solution was +3% damage per boon on target (meh), but hey, one can dream.

I’m still curious about a Mace build that focuses on keeping weakness on your target while also having good condition removal for itself. Weakness to reduce enemy direct damage while cleanses to reduce enemy condition damage. Then wear them down.

Haven’t gotten around to testing that idea out yet :-/

You could try something like this I suppose. Having 15% extra damage when they’re weaknened could be somewhat useful now that the AA actually works.

EDIT: If you want to try something silly you could do something like this (it’s probably awful).

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

Sebrent.3625

Aye, I’ve thought about it … though Dogged March is too darn good in my opinion.

Interestingly enough … you could go even farther with that +% damage if you dual wielded:

  • Sundering Mace : +10% damage to foes suffering from Weakness.
  • Cull the Weak : +5% damage to foes suffering from Weakness.
  • Dual Wielding : +5% damage if you are using a Sword/Axe/Mace as your OH.

If you really wanted to be glassy, you could put 5 in Arms as well for Attack of Opportunity for another +10% damage to foes suffering from Weakness. With bleed on-crit from that same line, you’re likely to benefit from this.

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Posted by: Doon.2364

Doon.2364

Good suggestions Burr.

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

Good suggestions Burr.

Thank you.

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Posted by: splat.8169

splat.8169

I like it.
But boon removal doesn’t seem very warrior-y.
a proposal for consideration:
sundering mace- mace attacks ignore stability effects.

thoughts?
wild unfounded thinking:
-promotes use of offhand mace.
-addresses stability blocking cc effect, but in a very limited scope

does kinda mess up a nice clean stability makes you safe from cc riff, but also leaves targets protected from Other cc, ie: bulls charge won’t knockdown.

probably needs some fluff about warrior mace smashing straight through stability, will probably still need an icd, but potentially less since you’re not actually removing the stability.

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Posted by: TheThiefMaster.3812

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ya and people will just get skullcracked all day , no tx , won’t and shouldn’t happen.

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