Guild Wars 2

ButterPeanut.9746:

kdaddy.5431:

I just wanted to share some screen shots of my raids today before the patch.

I couldnt get the sab kill but got the first 2 in 4 runs. So took about 40 min to get to Sab.

The other one is the Tier 4 -90- fractal.

I just want to point out that its simply easier/better for many of the areas of the game to not run warrior.

Looking at the VG screenshot, you being a rev with 15 might, running shiro not dwarf, having staff out while VG is above 66%, and only being ~80-85% with 7:20 left is enough for me to consider all of your argument completely invalid.

You can comment on my play style its fine.

Just facts though, we killed VG with about 1:30 left on the timer, bleeds are well above anything a condi warrior could bring. Just to add in the amount of torment, chill, poison, etc etc.

Our warrior was Greatsword power and he was that as well in gors.

Lastly commenting on me playing rev, go for it. I got my loot so am im not even bothered since i get W1 pugging every week, im still on point about the topic. Sword is still not useful in any area of the game. You can argue it but its the lesser of everything else.

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

kdaddy.5431:

This thread will keep going because people will argue they like it and therefore try to create a reason to use it.

That’s true, because people liking a weapon, regardless of the motivation, is a valid reason to use it. As far as this thread is concerned, people have reasons to use the sword, even if it’s not a top performance weapon.

Obtena.7952:

kdaddy.5431:

This thread will keep going because people will argue they like it and therefore try to create a reason to use it.

That’s true, because people liking a weapon, regardless of the motivation, is a valid reason to use it. As far as this thread is concerned, people have reasons to use the sword, even if it’s not a top performance weapon.

And im 100% ok with that. Any reason that goes with i like the weapon, i like the look of my character or the style of game play or trying to defy the meta. Go for it.

I just have a issue with people lying, like the dude who posted warriors using sword in PvP and calling it viable or saying because a few people are using it in there static raid groups that it makes it viable.

These threads are suppose to be about the community be honest with other players and letting creators/programmers of the game know our thoughts.

Seriously look at this last patch update and see the frustration on most of the forums. I mostly PvP and even before HOT came out build diversity was dying and the devs refused to fix things. HOT came out and PvP was horrible seasons 1 & 2. WvW has slowly been dying. And for me its the ability to run multiple viable builds in different areas of the game which has gone missing.

Im 100% ok with saying i use swords in on warrior in the game but saying that it works WELL strikes a cord on me. You can see the person responding to me is even using the longbow burn build and saying he has a sword on him so it makes it viable.

This thread has taken a life of its own and its no longer about sword but what sword can go with.

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

You’re gonna have to rephrase everything you said, none of it made any sense nor was relevant.

Obtena.7952:

kdaddy.5431:

This thread will keep going because people will argue they like it and therefore try to create a reason to use it.

That’s true, because people liking a weapon, regardless of the motivation, is a valid reason to use it. As far as this thread is concerned, people have reasons to use the sword, even if it’s not a top performance weapon.

OKay fair point. But then the argument changes as to whether or not that is okay for us as a community to condone such game elements.
If it is okay to have primary weapons traited and stat’d for the sake of likability rather than usefulness.
If it is okay for 1 class to be less or more effective than another because it is more likeable than the other. The argument just continues to expand outward from there….

KhainPride.3987:

Cerby.1069:

KhainPride.3987:

sad stuff in this forum and this thread

Been playing since beta, i always play warrior.

If you think sword sucks compared to enemy cheese builds, its a no.

So what do you use OH sword for? And what Build you use for it?

I mean if you pick and choose you can make every thread obsolete.

off hand sword i use, axe sword with shield mastery (very good for targeted duels like versus gunflame/killshot warrior)

sword 4 does good dmg when landed

Can you post the build? sounds too interesting for anyone else to think up.

Cerby.1069:

Obtena.7952:

kdaddy.5431:

This thread will keep going because people will argue they like it and therefore try to create a reason to use it.

That’s true, because people liking a weapon, regardless of the motivation, is a valid reason to use it. As far as this thread is concerned, people have reasons to use the sword, even if it’s not a top performance weapon.

OKay fair point. But then the argument changes as to whether or not that is okay for us as a community to condone such game elements.
If it is okay to have primary weapons traited and stat’d for the sake of likability rather than usefulness.
If it is okay for 1 class to be less or more effective than another because it is more likeable than the other. The argument just continues to expand outward from there….

I don’t even think these questions make sense in the first place. How are you going to have a game with different things and reasonably expect ALL of those things to be all at the same level of effectiveness in the first place? It’s unrealistic. There is no link between how much a class is liked and how effective it is, so questioning that is confusing.

Frankly, if your concern is effectiveness, then this approach to game design accommodates you as well, because you have the choice to play the things you believe to be the most effective and ignore the ones that aren’t.

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

You’re gonna have to rephrase everything you said, none of it made any sense nor was relevant.

So there is a thread on top of PvP title like – Why Dh changes were bad- and simply put most people know that revs, engys, druids pretty much hard counter DH at high levels.

Also i was trying to point out players you can look up in the ESL leagues, who are considered the 2 best at the DH class. Tage who went with a sustain build and didnt engage in 1 vs 1 and a player whose name gets change to kitten when i type for NA.

Now the NA DH was the 1 vs 1 specialist in earlier seasons for his team, to make this short. The other team sent a rev to 1 vs 1 him to win that fight.

If my proven examples are not relevant for you then you simply are just arguing to argue.

Cerby.1069:

Obtena.7952:

kdaddy.5431:

This thread will keep going because people will argue they like it and therefore try to create a reason to use it.

That’s true, because people liking a weapon, regardless of the motivation, is a valid reason to use it. As far as this thread is concerned, people have reasons to use the sword, even if it’s not a top performance weapon.

OKay fair point. But then the argument changes as to whether or not that is okay for us as a community to condone such game elements.
If it is okay to have primary weapons traited and stat’d for the sake of likability rather than usefulness.
If it is okay for 1 class to be less or more effective than another because it is more likeable than the other. The argument just continues to expand outward from there….

KhainPride.3987:

Cerby.1069:

KhainPride.3987:

sad stuff in this forum and this thread

Been playing since beta, i always play warrior.

If you think sword sucks compared to enemy cheese builds, its a no.

So what do you use OH sword for? And what Build you use for it?

I mean if you pick and choose you can make every thread obsolete.

off hand sword i use, axe sword with shield mastery (very good for targeted duels like versus gunflame/killshot warrior)

sword 4 does good dmg when landed

Can you post the build? sounds too interesting for anyone else to think up.

I dont think there is a reason to argue/debate fun.

If people want to use sword go for it, im just saying that if you brought a sword warrior in ranked with people playing seriously. He is gonna get flak for it, imagine playing DPS ele, centaur rev, or bunker theif. It doesnt matter if you were even on the level, people will blame you for the loss regardless for using something everyone knows is less effective.

I run axe/axe in PvE with greatsword for fun and when im feeling crazy, ill do it in WvW. Though im only hurting myself in situations so it is for fun. Which is ultimately what the game is for.

When it comes down to usefulness i just want everyone to be honest. The title is “sword seems pretty dumb nowadays” and the OP was right, doesnt mean we cant use it or ask anet to upgrade its traits in the future.

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

If you go back and watch the ESL, tarcis lost a 1 vs 1 to phanta on druid. A good rev can take on any 1 vs 1 and stalemate for a long time. Rev has been the hard counter to DH in 1 vs 1 and warriors as well. Rev is the jack of all trades class right now capable of anything so saying its role isnt 1 vs 1 is a bit off.

Any team would use more than 1 rev given no class stacking. A rev doing 1v1’s is a waste of your rev, hence not it’s role.

Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.

You better go watch S2 or 3 of the Pro Leagues when Zero counter play was trying to get into the League, kitten was winning his 1 vs 1 vs the necro. heurix made the comment that the necro should of been winning that 1 vs 1.

Want to know what they did rotation wise to fix it? They sent a rev to 1 vs 1 kitten the so called best DH in NA.

Also in your own comment, you said if there was no class stacking which means that it could be its role if the team wanted it that way.

We have alot of S1-S4 of rule changing because revs are clearly better then warriors, thieves, and DH. The ability to do everything better means it can take any role and do it better. Simply because a team decides not to run it out to the 1 vs 1 doesnt mean it cant counter it.

You’re gonna have to rephrase everything you said, none of it made any sense nor was relevant.

So there is a thread on top of PvP title like – Why Dh changes were bad- and simply put most people know that revs, engys, druids pretty much hard counter DH at high levels.

Also i was trying to point out players you can look up in the ESL leagues, who are considered the 2 best at the DH class. Tage who went with a sustain build and didnt engage in 1 vs 1 and a player whose name gets change to kitten when i type for NA.

Now the NA DH was the 1 vs 1 specialist in earlier seasons for his team, to make this short. The other team sent a rev to 1 vs 1 him to win that fight.

If my proven examples are not relevant for you then you simply are just arguing to argue.

I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH, doesn’t mean it’s a counter, it’s a pretty equal match up and one beating the other does not equal a counter.

Are you saying Tage didn’t engage unknown name (I assume a rev)? He was playing bunker guard mind you, and because he didn’t take that 1v1 rev counters dh? This is total kitten mentality, “if you don’t take the 1v1 you’re a kitten and can’t beat me” Maybe he was more useful elsewhere? maybe his cap? maybe…. coz he’s a bunker??!?

I’m not arguing, I’m informing you. You can choose to discard it for the sake of ego if you wish.

@ Obindo.6802

You wrote “Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.”

You were talking roles and i simply said that rev can take any role. With that being said i said that you could simply rotate a rev to a DH.

How is that a bad mentality when the so called best DH in NA is not winning 1 vs 1 vs the top tier revs. Not even the best revs but simply ESL level revs, he will lose too.

Im not arguing for EGO or what ever your trying to assume, im pointing out facts in the game at the top level of play. We have had 16 teams- 8 from NA and 8 from EU and only 2 players are playing DH. They struggled all 4 seasons to find there place since necro’s did more damage in team fights, revs-druids- some mesmers and warriors are better in the 1 vs 1.

You specially said that revs do not counter DH …………. and now you write “I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH.”

Im not using some rev or some DH im using the BEST PLAYERS in the game as my examples.

kdaddy.5431:

@ Obindo.6802

You wrote “Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.”

You were talking roles and i simply said that rev can take any role. With that being said i said that you could simply rotate a rev to a DH.

How is that a bad mentality when the so called best DH in NA is not winning 1 vs 1 vs the top tier revs. Not even the best revs but simply ESL level revs, he will lose too.

Im not arguing for EGO or what ever your trying to assume, im pointing out facts in the game at the top level of play. We have had 16 teams- 8 from NA and 8 from EU and only 2 players are playing DH. They struggled all 4 seasons to find there place since necro’s did more damage in team fights, revs-druids- some mesmers and warriors are better in the 1 vs 1.

You specially said that revs do not counter DH …………. and now you write “I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH.”

Im not using some rev or some DH im using the BEST PLAYERS in the game as my examples.

It’s an even matchup, and I do not care if a 1 rev player won a dh player once or twice or whatever in a match, it doesn’t counter and it’s that simple. Also I meant the mentality where if you don’t take a 1v1 that means “you can’t win it”, it’s the same kitten mentality that most people have.

It can take the role of 1v1’ing but it would be a waste of your rev. Rev is basically your mvp and using it to 1v1 is a complete waste, and nobody will do that. Hence not it’s role. You don’t take a rev to 1v1

Obindo.6802:

kdaddy.5431:

@ Obindo.6802

You wrote “Also; rev does not counter dragon hunter.”

You were talking roles and i simply said that rev can take any role. With that being said i said that you could simply rotate a rev to a DH.

How is that a bad mentality when the so called best DH in NA is not winning 1 vs 1 vs the top tier revs. Not even the best revs but simply ESL level revs, he will lose too.

Im not arguing for EGO or what ever your trying to assume, im pointing out facts in the game at the top level of play. We have had 16 teams- 8 from NA and 8 from EU and only 2 players are playing DH. They struggled all 4 seasons to find there place since necro’s did more damage in team fights, revs-druids- some mesmers and warriors are better in the 1 vs 1.

You specially said that revs do not counter DH …………. and now you write “I’m sorry but I do not care if some NA rev beat some NA DH.”

Im not using some rev or some DH im using the BEST PLAYERS in the game as my examples.

It’s an even matchup, and I do not care if a 1 rev player won a dh player once or twice or whatever in a match, it doesn’t counter and it’s that simple. Also I meant the mentality where if you don’t take a 1v1 that means “you can’t win it”, it’s the same kitten mentality that most people have.

It can take the role of 1v1’ing but it would be a waste of your rev. Rev is basically your mvp and using it to 1v1 is a complete waste, and nobody will do that. Hence not it’s role. You don’t take a rev to 1v1

Agreed and I made the same point a while back. Which class the revenant could in theory face in a 1v1 is 100% irrelevant when discussing revenants role in a 5v5 match. It is simply so much better in team fights, that even if you could kill the other class in a 1v1, you are hurting your team by doing so because your time is better spent elsewhere.