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And i though the “Zombie Coast” was the only ‘suicidal’ server that kept attacking even against the odds…

In any case, the battles not over yet.

When BG puts thier foot down and JQ is aggressive SoS doesn’t start sweeping. Its as other posters say – neither of the T1 server can pull off a territory gain without another unwitting help (or lack of aggression).

Last week in EB SoS assaulted Jerri several dozen times at the end of the week with JQ pushing them back every time (sometimes JQ resorted to Russian style bum rushing to get the job done) however had SBI started gutting umber and the two towers around umber, SoS would not have been able to make the jerri advance.

When the set first started, BG held their ground against both JQ and SoS (and vice versa). SoS just didn’t send in large zergs to overwhelm BG to capture territory because it would mean loosing WR or Jerri to JQ aggression (SoS camps were taken frequently by JQ during SoS offensives on ANZ vs BG). Heck BG owned SM for the first few hours before pressure from both JQ and SoS forced an up for grabs which SoS won.

Ultimately BG does good when they are on. JQ has the determination and tenacity to contend with SoS. SoS has the numbers and commander expertise to keep pressure with coverage.

Oh, its great fighting, I just hope morale stays high enough to field enough numbers of our skilled wvw guilds.

akanibbles.6237:

SBI will not be returning to T1 anytime soon, no longer have the coverage. SoR look strong favorites as they can run 24/7 (at least at the moment).

Unless things have drastically changed since I last saw, SOR had a coverage hole you could (and we did) drive a relatively small truck through. SOR NA prime = very strong, SOR at any other time evaporated.

Just saw a guy from Work on BG server lawl.

I remember there’s someone who thought SoS is one of the few servers to match SoR’s NA primetime.

Ahh here it is,

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvWy-s-2012-who-was-your-favorite-opponent-in-2012/first#post1076928

It may be too soon to say that we lost, but the status isn’t the best right now…

Jeknar.6184:

It may be too soon to say that we lost, but the status isn’t the best right now…

OH GOD I LOVE that picture
edit: not the score, but the picture.

not sure why there is so much hate directed towards BG tbh and HB seems to be targetted quite strongly over a video really? i can only assume we are doing something right. the video was a simple message to let you know about our guild and what we bring to the table read whatever else into it you please. it was supposed to be provocative we wanted you to come at us guns blazing and by christ you did but we have more than proved ourselves

early hours today (EU) were demoralising after such a strong start, i think we suffered a bit of a burnout we arent used to such a tough fight but we will get used to that. we (blackgate)could have rolled over and thought kitten it. but ya know what we havent. ive seen small guilds working together to get our towers and keeps back and listening to our more established guilds. ye the organisation isnt quite there yet but its something that has to be worked on. we have a strong EU presence and thats the time we need to dominate on to make up for our shortfall in other time zones. i think tonight we have done admirably considering we were down to 15 ppt at one point today

also JQ and SOS know each other inside out you know who to be wary of and who you dont need to really worry about. you know each others tactics and how to counter them BG still has all that to learn and we will.

i dont know if we will make it in T1 i hope so i firmly believe this is where BG belongs and we have worked hard in game and out of game to make sure we moved back up to T1 we certainly have no intention of going back to T2 in disgrace

oh and just a footnote ive been playing mmo’s now for pretty much 13 years and thats the pvp rvr wvwvw call it what you will, aspect of the games and smokee is up there with the best no one is more dedicated to the cause than him its actually quite scary at times.

anyway lets keep teh battles in game not on the forums had some great fights tonight in EB keep em coming

mrchips.9154:

not sure why there is so much hate directed towards BG tbh and HB seems to be targetted quite strongly over a video really?

That’s the way forums work man. Someone picks up on something and everyone else piles on. The video shows your server pride and it is pretty cool… but by the same token, we’re not gonna let you call us out then stay silent when you seemingly can’t back up the words with actions. That’s just not gonna happen.

But who knows… as a wise man once said “The week is young”.

whoa what happened? I thought Blackgate was coming first

Setch.2398:

Jeknar.6184:

It may be too soon to say that we lost, but the status isn’t the best right now…

OH GOD I LOVE that picture
edit: not the score, but the picture.

I used to do a lot of score posts with screenshots like this on T2, but i’m disheartened to do it here on T1… The people around here are nowhere close of being fun.

DivineBeing.2086:

This. I am not sure why some people are so kitten over that video? They act as if we attacked their egos. I am guessing the people who are kitten have NEVER been to an athletic event in their lives? Cause people talk FRIENDLY smack talk between teams all the time.

Ex. Yea! I am taking you down. No! I am taking you down!

One comes out victorous but gives the other a pat on the back.

Good lord guys….

People are just using the same language they send to SoS and JQ in the video to respond back. If they get buttdevastated by “mere smack talk” when people talk back then I don’t know what to say.

Just FYI, my university’s sports team don’t go in the competition telling people they’re insects we’re going to step on as real winners don’t need smack talk. We show up and we know we dominate. Similarly, how often do you see PRX and WM make videos to show they’re winners? Do not generalize “smack talk” to be universal for all athletes, I find that offensive. Smack talk is a sign of the uneducated and less than classy bunch.

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

Fuzzion.2504:

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

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Fuzzion.2504:

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

Let’s be honest here, doesn’t matter who from T2 moves up. No server in T2 even has EU or Oceanic coverage to compete. They are all NA prime servers and you cannot win t1 with just NA prime. SoS is the dominant server and will continue to be for the forseeable future until they get bored.

Recruitment is lackluster in this game now. Guilds either like where they are at, want to bandwagon to the number 1 server (SoS is still receiving guilds, they just got PTX last week) or who want to go to Kaineng and stomp super casuals.

pot.6805:

Fuzzion.2504:

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

Let’s be honest here, doesn’t matter who from T2 moves up. No server in T2 even has EU or Oceanic coverage to compete. They are all NA prime servers and you cannot win t1 with just NA prime. SoS is the dominant server and will continue to be for the forseeable future until they get bored.

Pretty spot on. Things can and probably will change eventually though.

Fuzzion.2504:

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

Looking at how tier 2 is going, probably SoR. Will it be better? Nope. Asian/Oceanics are still on IOJ, Dragonbrand, Kaineng and Crystal Desert. You don’t find sizable A/O guilds on TC and SoR, so progressing to tier 1 will be a death sentence for them.

Kunagisa.7361:

People are just using the same language they send to SoS and JQ in the video to respond back. If they get buttdevastated by “mere smack talk” when people talk back then I don’t know what to say.

Just FYI, my university’s sports team don’t go in the competition telling people they’re insects we’re going to step on as real winners don’t need smack talk. We show up and we know we dominate. Similarly, how often do you see PRX and WM make videos to show they’re winners? Do not generalize “smack talk” to be universal for all athletes, I find that offensive. Smack talk is a sign of the uneducated and less than classy bunch.

There is a line between smack talk and straight up just being hostile. That video was for fun. The comments here are meant to hurt rather than just be fun.

Also, so I take it NONE of your sports team have cheerleaders that rally the audience? You ever been to the locker rooms before the game starts? They talk about “crushing” the opponents. You can state what you want but everyone does a bit of friendly smack talk over athletic events.

Either way, it doesn’t hurt me as a player. I had a blast today roaming the field killing 40 man zergs with our 20 man zerg. I am here to play and have fun, and that’s exactly what I am doing. It is quite amusing to see players try to demoralize us though xD. One thing is for certain though, there is only one direction the top server can go, and that’s down. Eventually you will fall.

The commander of Asian MERC players, who does not visit this English forum, would like to say something about the current situation and has asked me to pass on the message:

“It is so unfair to say that we are 2v1ing BG. I spent whole night fighting only JQ yesterday! BG had less than 40 PPT the whole time and was outmanned everywhere. Please stop making these false accusations. BG please start fighting!”

Dynheart.5402:

You know how JQ manages to stay Second mostly every week, while being out numbered by SoS? Skill.

So its skill that makes you lose to being outnumbered?

My Lord, how do even have a chance against a server like SoS that has more numbers than the other 2 combined. Congrats SoS you are “the” Zerg server.

its quite aparent that there is only one T1 server that has coverage, the rest fight to be steamrolled by the zerg and pretend that they are in the same league as SoS. the sad part is that is is destroying any chance WvW has to remain viable.

ive heard some excuses, but voice servers being attacked by sea of sorrows….. hahahaha

p.s. – sos have no asian/eu coverage and never have, ask sbi and jq. luckily for us merc have been pulling overtime this week.

CrAzY.3275:

SoS so bad they have to run kittenin 60+ people zergs while DDosing our voice comms to do a single thing. Bravo tier one! Pathetic.

DDosing voice comms? omg people seriously need to relax.

If ppl are going to continue to say there is hate about the video, stop. I am a forum troll for this thread, and i havent seen anything THAT bad. Let it be. The video was great. I love it almost as much as the first SWTOR cinematic when Shen Shatel’s master dies and she barely escapes on the smuggler’s ship. GOOD STUFF. Anyway, today/tonight was fun. I think T1 has a certain meta game that has come about that takes some getting used to. I dntk how many times tonight both servers ran from us on JQ bl and they had the numbers… we did not. We came over and were trebbing the NW tower from below. I think BG was trebbing from the Northside ridge, JQ pushed them out, while BG reinforcements were coming. We chased them to bay, wiping a good amount, then turned to fight JQ chasers and wiped them. What a blast. And ppl out there get this game, and are good at it. The guild xD, i think, from BG…props bros. A grp of 4 or 5 of you wiped 7 of us easily, twice… [granted 4 of us were lower lvls] I had to call for another grp to come and help finish you off down at lowland supply, but hey it was nice teamwork on your part and a good teaching moment for my team. Great grp you have… NICE WORK.

I never told you guys what my wish for New Year’s was…that ppl stop QQ’g so much and remember why we play, to have fun.

Here is a score as I head to bed.

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

Liquid.9672:

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

What is DOSed ? I truely have no idea what DOSed means ? Thanks…

CharlieWaffles.1509:

Liquid.9672:

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

What is DOSed ? I truely have no idea what DOSed means ? Thanks…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

jadjay.8701:

My Lord, how do even have a chance against a server like SoS that has more numbers than the other 2 combined. Congrats SoS you are “the” Zerg server.

its quite aparent that there is only one T1 server that has coverage, the rest fight to be steamrolled by the zerg and pretend that they are in the same league as SoS. the sad part is that is is destroying any chance WvW has to remain viable.

Ox of [Agg] told me they only field about 35 at peak time. Not sure about Coron’s [tsym] numbers[maybe 40?], those are the 2 biggest NA pops on SoS. [Merc] is oceanic and I dntk their numbers. But like i alluded in my previous post. I dnt think alot of BG gets what is happening during the fight. HB, Ruin, some others I am sure they know. Adapt, overcome, PM your better commanders on BG, get a server wide meeting going for ppl that care, DO SOMETHING about your meta game, PM any of the SoS commanders, most of us love to talk about fights and basic foundations of tactics with anyone. SoS doesnt want to you all fail. We all love this game.

When complaining about coverage gaps we should keep a few things in mind.

- Every server in Tier 1 is full almost 24/7, so they should have relatively the same amount of people playing per server.
- Sea of Sorrows has no major EU guilds that I personally know of, and we have a huge coverage gap in EU time. We make up for this by our Aussies staying up late and our NA players logging in early to fill this gap.
- Sea of Sorrows, especially early on or when we risk losing puts out ABPs in Lion’s Arch and other major PvE areas to try to fill lack of map coverage with militia. My suggestion would be to encourage your server to get out and WvW more.
- Sea of Sorrows has multiple alliances of dedicated WvW guilds and very large WvW oriented guilds so we probably have a better ratio of WvW players to PvE players.
- Sea of Sorrows can only field all 4 maps during Friday night resets. During NA primetime there are usually no queues across any maps because we have good coverage spread. We assign specific guilds to maps and move forces around as needed. We are not fully covering all the maps all the time, it just seems that way because we are more effectively spreading our forces around.

We’re also adapting to your strategies. The first night the AoI alliance was having problems with the HB guild and heavy use of stacking which we haven’t seen for quite a while (since Tier 2 and IoJ/SoR I think). As we were encountering it more and more we quickly developed counter methods. For example HB is not effectively using their large force to defend against multi-pronged attacks similar to WM they can only be present in one area of the map at a time because they run together and almost never split their force. Splitting our forces and attacking multi points at once prevented HB from being able to effectively defend fast enough on that map. I won’t go into other strategies we used, just that obvious one, but there was more to the method of dealing with HB in particular (and other BG guilds use much of the same tactics). HB is a very strong guild, and sometimes flat out avoiding them is the best approach.

It’s very easy to talk about how much more organized and skilled JQ/BG compared to SoS, but part of our organization and skill is due to being able to effectively manage coverage and get people motivated to show up and do WvW. Remember we are all working with the same amount of players on our servers since we are always “Full”.

Liquid.9672:

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

well last time we weren’t even there so you can take us out of the equation, so those others can stop pointing the finger at us. which is prety weak imo to jump to conclusions.

Thobek.1730:

Liquid.9672:

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

well last time we weren’t even there so you can take us out of the equation, so those others can stop pointing the finger at us. which is prety weak imo to jump to conclusions.

I wasn’t making any accusations, just answering the guy’s question. My comment about being a T1 thing was a joke.

There is a massive correlation between morale and coverage. If the servers morale is down, the casual players stop turning up, and this hurts your coverage big time.

From what I have seen, Blackgate have very good coverage. It can be overly simplistic to just blame the coverage. The morale of pugs is exceptionally important, while the hardcore guilds will always fight no matter what, their pug allies don’t always do the same, leaving the hardcore guilds alone and exposed.

It’s very important to engage the pugs around you, fight with them, give them encouragement, have some fun! Do this and you will raise the morale of your pugs and they will fight with you harder for longer, even when your PPT is down.

One person from BG said that there are commanders on Blackgate that don’t engage with the rest of the pugs on the Borderland? If true that just isn’t good enough. I don’t know of a single SoS commander that doesn’t engage with the people around him/her. If you’re afraid of spies following you or listening in to your commands? Don’t worry about it, the benefits of fighting together as a team, far outweighs any ambiguous information a spy might report. The best way to deal with spies is pretend they’re not even there. If you think your guild is elite and doesn’t need the help of others, you’re wrong. Even PRX were very open and transparent to the servers pug community, everyone was invited to jump on their TS and have some fun.

From the outside, Sea of Sorrows may look like an unstoppable juggernaut with 24/7 coverage but it’s not true at all. Our Euro coverage is the weakest of any tier 1 server (or tier 2 for that matter), BG have enough Oceanic and Asian guilds to hold their own against us and gain on JQ, and your Americans are capable of going toe to toe as well! Believe in yourselves and work together and you will defeat JQ and SoS, or at the very least come bloody close!

Respect to Blackgate, I really hope you guys adapt to tier 1!

Jedahs.2713:

The commander of Asian MERC players, who does not visit this English forum, would like to say something about the current situation and has asked me to pass on the message:

“It is so unfair to say that we are 2v1ing BG. I spent whole night fighting only JQ yesterday! BG had less than 40 PPT the whole time and was outmanned everywhere. Please stop making these false accusations. BG please start fighting!”

As a BG player, I would agree. This is why I wanted to stay in T2. I don’t feel BG is ready, and for the last 8 weeks our Oceanic/Asian timezones have been karma training because TC/IoJ/SoR had no presence in those timezones, so I’m sure they are pretty rusty when it comes to having to coordinate PvP in the highest tier.

I completely understand that players are going to go after whatever they feel they can take. It’s how you win the game. And unfortunately Blackgate just doesn’t have the correct numbers around the clock to prevent this from happening, and when the time our numbers do get online, they’re fighting a big uphill battle.

I haven’t gotten a chance to WvW much this week, but as long as the 2v1 isn’t as bad as what happened last time we were in T1 (in which we owned nothing and SBI/JQ were camping outside separate sides of our spawn and not attacking each other, and going to 3rd party sites to talk about making alliances within guilds between both servers), there isn’t much wrong.

I just wish people would realize that the more you whine the more it makes the enemy want to attack you rather than the quiet ones.

And I do agree with Cirus. One issue with Blackgate is we have a ton of PuGs. I just wish they’d understand they’d be more useful if they’d join a WvW guild for when they WvW. But then again, full queues on Friday, now outmanned buffs today.

mrchips.9154:

not sure why there is so much hate directed towards BG tbh and HB seems to be targetted quite strongly over a video really? i can only assume we are doing something right. the video was a simple message to let you know about our guild and what we bring to the table read whatever else into it you please. it was supposed to be provocative we wanted you to come at us guns blazing and by christ you did but we have more than proved ourselves

early hours today (EU) were demoralising after such a strong start, i think we suffered a bit of a burnout we arent used to such a tough fight but we will get used to that. we (blackgate)could have rolled over and thought kitten it. but ya know what we havent. ive seen small guilds working together to get our towers and keeps back and listening to our more established guilds. ye the organisation isnt quite there yet but its something that has to be worked on. we have a strong EU presence and thats the time we need to dominate on to make up for our shortfall in other time zones. i think tonight we have done admirably considering we were down to 15 ppt at one point today

also JQ and SOS know each other inside out you know who to be wary of and who you dont need to really worry about. you know each others tactics and how to counter them BG still has all that to learn and we will.

i dont know if we will make it in T1 i hope so i firmly believe this is where BG belongs and we have worked hard in game and out of game to make sure we moved back up to T1 we certainly have no intention of going back to T2 in disgrace

oh and just a footnote ive been playing mmo’s now for pretty much 13 years and thats the pvp rvr wvwvw call it what you will, aspect of the games and smokee is up there with the best no one is more dedicated to the cause than him its actually quite scary at times.

anyway lets keep teh battles in game not on the forums had some great fights tonight in EB keep em coming

We don’t care about some random guild coming into tier1. Your job is to make us care by bringing it to us. So far all I have seen from HB is failed turtles. Don’t get me wrong, we are all enjoying all the loot bags.

Someone should have done the research before you guys reached T1 to determine that the turle tactic doesn’t work in this bracket. SoS defeated that tactic back when TL used to do it, which was before the healing nerf. Now, it is just LoL.

I really hope you guys get your strats together because I really don’t want to see SBI back here. They are the most boring server to fight against.

IoJ had no Oceanic coverage?! IoJ ONLY had Oceanic coverage!

But let’s keep this fact in the past…

Since you guys came with the PuG topic, let’s see what i have here…
Being member of a small friends guild, i think i do enter in that category… I’ve seen many small groups run around like me killing yaks and flipping camps, when not joining a commander squad (i can’t join a commander due hardware issues, but that’s not on the topic) and the situation usually is good… But only when there is a commander around! When the Blue Dorito Man doesn’t show up, i feel like the PuG simply don’t want to try anything…
I’ve already sat at SoR BL for hours with no commander up, trying to rally PuGs to try take towers and maybe even a keep, but they just don’t want to try. Either they don’t belive that we are capable, or they simply don’t care about the game. I know that not all PuGs know big strategies or maybe siege placement (i’m no expert myself), but if we don’t try, we’ll just stand in the very same situation…

Long story short: The big guilds of BG maybe be ready for the T1 fights, but the PuGs/PvErs that fill the gaps aren’t…

But that’s only my 2 cents…

I remember a conversation I had with one MERC members before when we first entered tier 1.

Member: “Screw this, I’ve been here for over an hour and we haven’t made any progress!”
Me: “Progress? This is tier 1 son, you expect to be taking enemy garrison every 30 minutes? We’re lucky to be holding onto our T3 Bay.”

From what I have read on the forums, BG mindset is not ready for this yet. Your players need to think like tier 1.

When WM was still around, do you know how many portal and siege I had to build to move between the road from NE Bay and SW Garrison? My personal record was 6 portal bombs and over 10 pieces of arrow carts and ballistics to advance forward in open field combat! It wasn’t even a culling issue, everyone was already rendered, I just needed to move forward and walking wasn’t an option. And guess what? WM still held garrison!

I’m sorry to say but SOS and JQ have not even brought their A game. And this I am really worried about. At this rate, SOS Oceanics and Asians will start to think WvW is about farming easy karma. We will get fat and lazy.

Stanley.3295:

Fuzzion.2504:

The more important question is " Who is going to replace BG in 2 weeks time"

Looking at how tier 2 is going, probably SoR. Will it be better? Nope. Asian/Oceanics are still on IOJ, Dragonbrand, Kaineng and Crystal Desert. You don’t find sizable A/O guilds on TC and SoR, so progressing to tier 1 will be a death sentence for them.

Being NA, SoR will be better personally because they have a very strong NA presence which is fun to fight against. I welcome a rematch of our T3 battles. At least SoR doesn’t run around in 1 big 50 man turtle and actually uses tactics.

Wow, so many troll posts. Keep it up though and this thread will be locked too.

Playing in T1 is better than stomping T2.

No-one sane believed it will be easy to win, especially after our T1 losts last time. We’ll just need to get more PvE people into WvW and we’ll be as competitive the whole week as much as reset day.

yriafelc.6124:

Playing in T1 is better than stomping T2.

No-one sane believed it will be easy to win, especially after our T1 losts last time. We’ll just need to get more PvE people into WvW and we’ll be as competitive the whole week as much as reset day.

Part of the blame should go to arena net. They need to make WvW close to as profitable as farming. Or some other type of incentive.

I have to say that fighting in t1 has been way more challenging than fighting in t2. The general skill level of both SoS and JQ players seems to me to be higher than what I was facing in t2. I feel like I’m having to give these fights 100 percent and sometimes even that’s not enough.

Here’s to the prospect of BG staying in t1 for at least a few more weeks.

AIMonster.8236:

When complaining about coverage gaps we should keep a few things in mind.

- Every server in Tier 1 is full almost 24/7, so they should have relatively the same amount of people playing per server.
- Sea of Sorrows has no major EU guilds that I personally know of, and we have a huge coverage gap in EU time. We make up for this by our Aussies staying up late and our NA players logging in early to fill this gap.
- Sea of Sorrows, especially early on or when we risk losing puts out ABPs in Lion’s Arch and other major PvE areas to try to fill lack of map coverage with militia. My suggestion would be to encourage your server to get out and WvW more.
- Sea of Sorrows has multiple alliances of dedicated WvW guilds and very large WvW oriented guilds so we probably have a better ratio of WvW players to PvE players.
- Sea of Sorrows can only field all 4 maps during Friday night resets. During NA primetime there are usually no queues across any maps because we have good coverage spread. We assign specific guilds to maps and move forces around as needed. We are not fully covering all the maps all the time, it just seems that way because we are more effectively spreading our forces around.

We’re also adapting to your strategies. The first night the AoI alliance was having problems with the HB guild and heavy use of stacking which we haven’t seen for quite a while (since Tier 2 and IoJ/SoR I think). As we were encountering it more and more we quickly developed counter methods. For example HB is not effectively using their large force to defend against multi-pronged attacks similar to WM they can only be present in one area of the map at a time because they run together and almost never split their force. Splitting our forces and attacking multi points at once prevented HB from being able to effectively defend fast enough on that map. I won’t go into other strategies we used, just that obvious one, but there was more to the method of dealing with HB in particular (and other BG guilds use much of the same tactics). HB is a very strong guild, and sometimes flat out avoiding them is the best approach.

It’s very easy to talk about how much more organized and skilled JQ/BG compared to SoS, but part of our organization and skill is due to being able to effectively manage coverage and get people motivated to show up and do WvW. Remember we are all working with the same amount of players on our servers since we are always “Full”.

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

jojojoon.8607:

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

If SOS didn’t have guilds like AGG and DiE we would still be in tier 5. What’s your point?

Let me see…. RUIN, thai and HB, all famous WvW guilds…. all BG natives? Come on….

No server is pure virgin anymore.

Tarem.4072:

We don’t care about some random guild coming into tier1. Your job is to make us care by bringing it to us. So far all I have seen from HB is failed turtles. Don’t get me wrong, we are all enjoying all the loot bags.

Someone should have done the research before you guys reached T1 to determine that the turle tactic doesn’t work in this bracket. SoS defeated that tactic back when TL used to do it, which was before the healing nerf. Now, it is just LoL.

I really hope you guys get your strats together because I really don’t want to see SBI back here. They are the most boring server to fight against.

HB hasnt turtled for months pretty much since we and KDS caused such a whinefest on the forums from NA players about us using it that arenanet nerfed that tactic into the ground (it had already been used widely and to better effect on the euro servers before we transferred here).

Feel free to go looking for one of the many many many QQ threads aimed at us during that time.

As for the loot bags i’ve no idea where you are getting them from seeing as most evenings during eu primetime 6-12 pm cet i can go the entire evening repairing only once. I’m certain our NA guys don’t use it either and i know they’re just as good as our eu guys as we run together during the weekends that and we all drink tiger blood.

Yes we do use mesmer portals but this is entirely different to turtling ie not moving outside a very tightnit blob.

Please do let me know what guild your from so i can get smokee to arrange a guild vs guild fight, i promise not to humilate you on the forums to much which the resulting video.

Herbal
www.hb-eu.com

Jedahs.2713:

jojojoon.8607:

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

If SOS didn’t have guilds like AGG and DiE we would still be in tier 5. What’s your point?

Let me see…. RUIN, thai and HB, all famous WvW guilds…. all BG natives? Come on….

No server is pure virgin anymore.

Jedahs took mine.

Jedahs.2713:

jojojoon.8607:

It is easy to motivate people to show up in wvw when the server has an influx of wvw-oriented guild transfers. Guilds like AGG and DIE who transferred to Sos only play gw2 for the wvw aspect of the game, so it is not difficult to get them to show up in wvw. If Sos did not have these transfers and was still able to get their massive force from just their native players, then they can make the claim that they are better than other servers at getting PVE players to show up in wvw.

If SOS didn’t have guilds like AGG and DiE we would still be in tier 5. What’s your point?

Let me see…. RUIN, thai and HB, all famous WvW guilds…. all BG natives? Come on….

No server is pure virgin anymore.

And I believe also Tsym, Work, etc.. Almost 75% of Sos’s wvw population is made up of wvw-oriented guild transfers. My point is that these transfers provide insane coverage for Sos. Players making up of these guilds don’t even need to be convinced to go wvw, they’ll do it on their own. Other servers’s wvw population, on the other hand, are made up of mostly native players which are mostly PVE players going in to get a few kills or a couple of badges. And if things aren’t going right, they’ll leave immediately. And it is very unlikely that they will put in 10+ hours in wvw or stay up to 3am when wvw isn’t the main reason why they’re playing gw2.

If Sos didn’t have these transfers and is still a full server, then shouldn’t they still be in tier 1 and not tier 5? If all it takes is to convince pve players to show up in wvw as AIMonster claims — a management skill that Sos server has that other servers don’t.

An analogy of what AIMonster is saying: I don’t understand why is it so difficult for you guys to convince 10 people at a buffet restaurant to go work out when I can easily convince 10 people at the gym’s parking lot to work out. Both places are full and have 20 people.

What amuses me most about that video is i see mebe 3 hb guild tags probably running with icoa i think it is could be wrong, hard to tell on that video. Hb would never attempt to turtle like that and havent as i said done it for months.

Please do find me a video in this T1 matchup of 10 or more Hbs turtling i guarentee you wont because its not a tactic we use these days mainly because its suicide.

Edit ahh i see your in aggresion pointless organising a fight as we both know how it will end you loot bags on the floor as has happened countless times since friday

Herbal.6291:

What amuses me most about that video is i see mebe 3 hb guild tags probably running with icoa i think it is could be wrong, hard to tell on that video. Hb would never attempt to turtle like that and havent as i said done it for months.

Please do find me a video in this T1 matchup of 10 or more Hbs turtling i guarentee you wont because its not a tactic we use these days mainly because its suicide.

theres over 10 hb, and whatever they were doing obviously didn’t work.
Our tags are [Agg] come find us we accept challenges, we saw your video and look forward to it.

jojojoon.8607:

Players making up of these guilds don’t even need to be convinced to go wvw, they’ll do it on their own.

You are correct sir.

Stop trying to find fault in that fact.

Jedahs.2713:

jojojoon.8607:

Players making up of these guilds don’t even need to be convinced to go wvw, they’ll do it on their own.

You are correct sir.

Stop trying to find fault in that fact.

Good. Then you agree that I am right and AIMonter is wrong. Glad we cleared it up.