Guild Wars 2

Ohai.8346:

Tobias Steele.2071:

Players repping PRX have been spotted fighting for Blackgate. Will be interesting to see the status Quo change if they were to Transfer to Blackgate from Seafarers Rest. From a Sos Perspective I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

Blackgate would be a bad choice for PRX. Being a former member, they would have to contest already capped queues and have to put up with all the bads. Their record would get shot to bits and they would get frustrated at not being able to run like they usually do in numbers. They just have a few stragglers playing NA who lagged too much on euro.
There’s far better server choices for them if they decided to move.

Lol then what’s your best choice in NA? Join JQ/SoS who already at the top? That wasnt a challenge at all. BG is best bet now to strengthen our coverage which still lacking. TC/SBI/SoR all lacking oceanic coverage by margins compared to BG and yet BG that has “superior Oceanic/EU” coverage compared to SoR/TC still being severely hurt in tier1. The only two choices for them is JQ/BG, but JQ already there in tier1 long time (already won 1st as well) which doesnt provide challenge to them.

Now JQ is on 2nd. I hope they now can start to focus on SoS more so that we have some room to breath. We had been in BGBL Garrison for days during this weekend fending off both SoS/JQ double side attacks and i can dare saying that they arent looking forward to fight each other but us at all. But nevertheless, very epic fight in BGBL Garr for all sides I’m proud of all the BG guilds whom fight with us so far.

PS: SoS reps please find “Zero” Guild for me. Mesmer portal exploit like that aint cool you know? It’s even worse than a wall jumping mesmer.

Ohai.8346:

Being a former member, they would have to contest already capped queues and have to put up with all the bads.

Just want to point out that BG rarely has queues. This is the first weekend (and for the most part it was only reset through Saturday) in weeks/months that we’ve had queues and it is clearly because of the excitement of our move back to T1.

During our hibernation in T2, we rarely had a queue on EB or BG BL (only on reset night), and never a queue on the other two BLs. EB queue, when there randomly is one, is never more than 5 minutes. Granted this may change now that we are in T1, but we won’t know until the work week hits tomorrow.

Score update! SoS leads, JQ has the highest tick!

Oh, and to all the BG people complaining about being hit by SoS and JQ at the same time.. Welcome to WvWvW? That’s the idea.

Updated score….

It is not just a BG thing, read any of these threads and you will find members of all three servers in every match who rightly or wrongly “feel” they are being double teamed. Often it is just people hitting the path of least resistance.

I can guarantee you that as soon as my commanders hit the right side of any map, myself and other scouts will run to the left as an attack should be incoming over there.

Good fights all, keep at it.

Lol, are there still people whining about 2v1?

Tobias Steele.2071:

Players repping PRX have been spotted fighting for Blackgate. Will be interesting to see the status Quo change if they were to Transfer to Blackgate from Seafarers Rest. From a Sos Perspective I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

It is the case, my flatmate plays for them. BG will be their new home. Wasn’t 100% they would pick BG until I saw a few of them playing for BG last night. So our once comrades have turned against us, let us make them feel welcome in the BL’s

It will probably even out the fight a little more, and I get a chance to kill my flatmate on the field

They will do what they always do, play for a server for a few weeks then leave.

Thobek.1730:

Tobias Steele.2071:

Players repping PRX have been spotted fighting for Blackgate. Will be interesting to see the status Quo change if they were to Transfer to Blackgate from Seafarers Rest. From a Sos Perspective I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

It is the case, my flatmate plays for them. BG will be their new home. Wasn’t 100% they would pick BG until I saw a few of them playing for BG last night. So our once comrades have turned against us, let us make them feel welcome in the BL’s

It will probably even out the fight a little more, and I get a chance to kill my flatmate on the field

They will do what they always do, play for a server for a few weeks then leave.

Those people were scouts as far as I know. And “my friend told me so” isn’t exactly great evidence. I’d wait for an official announcement before anything. Personally I’m not entirely sure why’d they pick Blackgate, not that I’d complain if they did.

Ardon.4105:

Those people were scouts as far as I know. And “my friend told me so” isn’t exactly great evidence. I’d wait for an official announcement before anything. Personally I’m not entirely sure why’d they pick Blackgate, not that I’d complain if they did.

I agree “I friend told me” isn’t great proof, but when that friend is in the PRX guild then it holds some weight. It doesn’t really matter one way or the other, it won’t suddenly stop SoS from playing or trying. It may even make SoS try harder.

Re: 2v1. When server A and server B are fighting, the only thing server C can do is attack A or B. 2v1’s aren’t just a possibility. They’re a near certainty.

And, if anyone hasn’t figured it out yet, you’re best shot at not being 2v1’d is to be server C and just wait for the other two to engage.

But there is one benefit to being 2v1’d: more action!

No qq intended but it’s a real shame its come to having to watch sos’s mesmers who die purposely on the inside of db on our borderland to glitch rez through the wall and then have portal people through to ninja bay.

Foul play is a real shame after what seems to have been so clean so far.

Best part is though that they still did not manage to take it from us :/

@vanguardjay i was guarding him before BG took bay lol

That’s just the one screenshot I got, it doesn’t exactly say much or if he did it himself but it was confirmed some guy was rezzed there and then portaled. Was just showing where it was done.

This guy was purposely trying to get right next to this spot where it is done.

vinLazy.7218:

@vanguardjay i was guarding him before BG took bay lol

err, he was alive and we killed him… after they resed him and ported in… screenie is after that

umm, dont have kitten of it before hes dead, but he had a commander tag, so non lvl 80 mesmer in ons with commander tag dunno who that would be

not trying to accuse SOS as a whole of being bad or cheaters or anything, not even trying to acuse the whole of OnS guild of being bad or cheaters or anything… just 1 mesmer and whoever ressed him should know better

honestly though im not sure who to be more angry at, the mesmer for exploiting? or ANet for letting this go on unfixed for months now despite how many reports?

Good fights on EBG last night. Spent 17 hours in there and I must say having the entirety of each server bearing down on our East and West fronts separates the men from the boys. I understand game theory and understand why you all do what you do. The low PPT was frustrating, but there were moral victories that were achieved in its stead.

Tammuz.7361:

vinLazy.7218:

@vanguardjay i was guarding him before BG took bay lol

err, he was alive and we killed him… after they resed him and ported in… screenie is after that

umm, dont have kitten of it before hes dead, but he had a commander tag, so non lvl 80 mesmer in ons with commander tag dunno who that would be

not trying to accuse SOS as a whole of being bad or cheaters or anything, not even trying to acuse the whole of OnS guild of being bad or cheaters or anything… just 1 mesmer and whoever ressed him should know better

Bottom paragraph of this post says it all.

maybe he’s not the one i was guarding :P
because he is from Agg

PredatoR.5247:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObBd5v6jTY

Meaningful post there.

PredatoR.5247:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObBd5v6jTY

Saw this on friday. So dramatic. Made me chuckle.

vinLazy.7218:

maybe he’s not the one i was guarding :P
because he is from Agg

oh, well this one was tagged with OnS… again not trying to accuse the guild nor server as a whole… i just am accusing 1 mezer and whoever resed him…

whats most sad is that this post will prolly get deleted by ANet now, and the issue will remain unaddressed yet again when it really would be easier for them to just fix the exploit and stop this from happening.

Ardon.4105:

Personally I’m not entirely sure why’d they pick Blackgate

I kind of agree with this as it shows a sign of weakness when a guild of such size and apparent skill has to pick an already stacked and competitive t1 server as a new home. Where is the challenge in that? Thats why i doubt they will choose BG but instead look to T3 a place they can call their own and make a difference.

your little video montage made me kittening lol biggest self kitten ive ever seen

Hi guys OnS GM here I just wanted to say that today we got a new commander in that screenshot who we told NOT to do that again however, he wasnt the one who ported us in Bay the first time and the second we took the right way through the gate. We didnt use his mesmer trick when we realized it was an exploit. Sorry for this it wont happen again

I was the second mesmer dead, the commander.

I was trying to hide in the water so I could portal the rest of SOS in when things died down, and was chased/pulled to where I ended up sinking in front of the grate.

I wasn’t aware of where I was until I l saw the grate behind me. At that point, I loudly announced that I was not to be rezzed by any other than the thief that was inside DB.

If I was trying to exploit, I’d have told the other commander to have someone rezz me so I could portal them in. Instead, we used 3 superior rams on the South gate of DB, and ended up taking it by that way. There was no exploit invloved in the taking, although I’ve been told that shortly before me, another mesmer was indeed rezzed at my location. I didn’t think my death there would be an issue, but I did have my commander tag popped to allow the thief inside DB to find me and rezz me, so I could portal from south gate to inner south gate.

I apologize for any confusion, but I was not rezzed from where I died, nor did I portal anyone in from the grate.

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

sil.4160:

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

ok, can a ANet dev team member post on this please? if this is intended and considered a legit strategy I would like to know about it… (after which we will cheerfully (ab)use it ourselves)

until then, im gonna kinda stick with this being an exploit… i could be wrong though, just would like some clarification…

sil.4160:

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

So your seriously considering this as a legitimate because two top tier servers agreed that ressing through a wall was considered fine. Hows about because you can flyhack with third party programs we can consider that meta aswell!

Swinging swords through doors is almost so minor most of the time that it is not that important and aoe and catapults seem logical to have impacts on the other side of doors this is getting offtopic tbh with comments like this, its fairly clear that its a exploit this is not what anet would intend im pretty freakin sure.

Never have I seen so much outright doubleteaming (not even veiled or slightly disguised) and outright cheating before. Since thats apparently how you stay in T1 I foresee us leaving in 2 weeks, we have nothing on these guys.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Hi guys OnS GM here I just wanted to say that today we got a new commander in that screenshot who we told NOT to do that again however, he wasnt the one who ported us in Bay the first time and the second we took the right way through the gate. We didnt use his mesmer trick when we realized it was an exploit. Sorry for this it wont happen again

Whether this is 100% true or not I guess it’s nice to see your addressing it as that is what I hoped to achieve from the post L

sil.4160:

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

I sure hope to hell that no decent SoS player would consider that a legit strategy. Whatever has been discussed or used by other servers/players/guilds does NOT mean that we should stoop to those tactics.

Galrukh.6532:

Never have I seen so much outright doubleteaming (not even veiled or slightly disguised) and outright cheating before. Since thats apparently how you stay in T1 I foresee us leaving in 2 weeks, we have nothing on these guys.

What is the score, as much as I love jq and sos, I think bg is a good fight.

Rashva.4587:

I was the second mesmer dead, the commander.

I was trying to hide in the water so I could portal the rest of SOS in when things died down, and was chased/pulled to where I ended up sinking in front of the grate.

I wasn’t aware of where I was until I l saw the grate behind me. At that point, I loudly announced that I was not to be rezzed by any other than the thief that was inside DB.

If I was trying to exploit, I’d have told the other commander to have someone rezz me so I could portal them in. Instead, we used 3 superior rams on the South gate of DB, and ended up taking it by that way. There was no exploit invloved in the taking, although I’ve been told that shortly before me, another mesmer was indeed rezzed at my location. I didn’t think my death there would be an issue, but I did have my commander tag popped to allow the thief inside DB to find me and rezz me, so I could portal from south gate to inner south gate.

I apologize for any confusion, but I was not rezzed from where I died, nor did I portal anyone in from the grate.

The post wasn’t aimed at you personally as this was the only screenie I could get if this was you it just seemed very obvious that you were moving as close as you could to the wall while we tried to kill you; whatever i’ve got nothing really to say and im not pointing any fingers just showing what I saw and was told.

sil.4160:

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

Not a legitimate strategy.

Fun fights this weekend. We did indeed have queues all night on Friday, first time in …3 months or so. Less than a 2 minute queue on any of the BL’s the rest of the weekend. I think we have the numbers to stay in tier one for a bit, but I think we’ll need some more folks to think of achieving a true 1st place.

Archiael.3258:

sil.4160:

If you haven’t read previous thread, both SBI and JQ do this rez thru the door thing. It was discussed before and considered legit strategy because if you consider this illegal then you must surely consider aoe, catapult or swinging sword thru door illegal as well because it operates under the same principle

I sure hope to hell that no decent SoS player would consider that a legit strategy. Whatever has been discussed or used by other servers/players/guilds does NOT mean that we should stoop to those tactics.

I dont believe it is either, but i do want to keep an open mind I guess… (actually in the interest of being honest and full disclosure i want to yell at him right no but im trying to keep the discussion positive).

Also i kinda agree, the advantage gained from swinging a sword, aoeing through, or even catapulting a gate is so minimal as to be almost a waste of time… Porting 20 people and then your entire zerg across a gate is a slightly different story.

Catas and aoe effects on gates DID end up getting a post somewhere that kinda made em legit by a Dev (was months ago so dunno where it went), basically they said its legit since they cant fix the effects of it so knock ourselves (or our opponents as it were) out…

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

Destroyer.1306:

But there is one benefit to being 2v1’d: more action!

They seem to like dying a lot, that’s for sure!
Think at one point yesterday it peaked to around 180+ kills/hr just whack-a-mole as fast as possible between killing the shrieking JQ horde attacking Ogrewatch while the dozens of SOS hitting Overlook started running back from their last beating.

And, pretty much did just that for 8hrs which actually suits me just fine sending glass-cannons back to spawn all day for the lulz with a repair bill, would have been nice to be more on the offensive for more PPT but just not possible with 2 whole servers on you at the same time.

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

Because in T2 it was WvWvW, not W+WvW.

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

I agree, this joker is whining about what he believes is a double team. We’ve heard it all before and every combination as well. What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you. Who really thinks commanders get together from different servers and discuss these kinds of tactics.

I see double teaming all the time, but it is never organized and purely by chance or an opportunity.

Galrukh.6532:

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

Because in T2 it was WvWvW, not W+WvW.

Gezz you guys are putting JQQ to shame.

SoS BL: http://i46.tinypic.com/ei027k.png
-With BG offense on the east earlier in the match

JQ BL: http://i46.tinypic.com/e9ghz7.jpg
BG offense on the west side throughout the match.

BG BL: http://i47.tinypic.com/30df8e1.png
Constant attacks from both SoS and JQ.

So when is JQ gonna invade SoS BL? =D
Clearly playing for second you gaiuse! I kid i kid.

Fun match. (specially in BG garrison!)

Edit: ofsnap the pics are out of order hold on

Thobek.1730:

What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you.

It’s merely observation. For the past 24 hours there has been almost no green on JQ BL, no blue on SOS BL, while both have been on BG BL 24/7. Also, I don’t think Klovan/Quentin have been flipped at all.

These are facts, not speculation. I posted a screenshot from 18 hours ago. It looks almost identical to this one. We don’t need Sherlock Holmes to deduce this for us.

edit: and just to clarify before the trolls chime in, I have no problem with double teaming. It is something all servers deal with at some point. But to deny the obvious situation that is occurring (please post contradicting evidence) is nothing short of lying.

Galrukh.6532:

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

Because in T2 it was WvWvW, not W+WvW.

Newsflash. WvWvW means it is ALWAYS your server against the other 2 servers. This is the same for EVERY SERVER.

Essentially you are saying “OMG it’s not 1v1 so it’s not fair if we’re losing”. It’s WvWvW not WvW.

Ohai.8346:

yes sir back home for me, running with FoE. euro was too much skill delay for me to play over there so came back to NA about 3 weeks ago.

Glad to have ya back home!

Xirin.8593:

Thobek.1730:

What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you.

It’s merely observation. For the past 24 hours there has been almost no green on JQ BL, no blue on SOS BL, while both have been on BG BL 24/7. Also, I don’t think Klovan/Quentin have been flipped at all.

These are facts, not speculation. I posted a screenshot from 18 hours ago. It looks almost identical to this one. We don’t need Sherlock Holmes to deduce this for us.

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.

So who was 2 v 1 who again?

(I’m not trying to suggest the 2 v 1 is exclusively against JQ, I’m just pointing out that we all 2v1 one each other. Get over yourselves and focus on the battlefield, not on complaining about it)

Wittle.5473:

Galrukh.6532:

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

Because in T2 it was WvWvW, not W+WvW.

Newsflash. WvWvW means it is ALWAYS your server against the other 2 servers. This is the same for EVERY SERVER.

Essentially you are saying “OMG it’s not 1v1 so it’s not fair if we’re losing”. It’s WvWvW not WvW.

True but mostly its everyone vs everyone, not 2 teams against the last one when those 2 teams actually blatantly avoid each other and outright defend each others territories. Keep telling yourself it isnt such, but it is.

i think its because JQ and SOS know how to defend their borderlands…

drwookie.6391:

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.
So who was 2 v 1 who again?

There is no exception to the rule that every rule has an exception.
- James Thurber

Xirin.8593:

drwookie.6391:

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.
So who was 2 v 1 who again?

There is no exception to the rule that every rule has an exception.
- James Thurber

So I guess instead I’ll just state that omg you and SoS are 2v1ing JQ like all the time and any example you give against that is merely an exception to the rule.