Guild Wars 2

Let’s have another awesome match. So far things are fairly even.

I enabled Q/A for score updates.

kylia.4813:

Could I request a score update please.

Non stop action in FA!

GODS had a lot of fun in CDBL. I logged out after we took their garrison.

Any updates?

More like 12/28 IoJ + CD / FA (Round 2)

Last week a video against FA, this week one for CD
Enjoy

Hi all, Sir Tryce here, I am a Commander from Last Words [LW].

First off, I want to wish FA and IoJ good luck this week.

Attached are some score updates as of 9:30 p.m. server time

That’s all I have, best of luck to all.

-Commander Sir Tryce [LW]

I thought we were getting beat last night, how is CD not red this week? I was told that’s how it works.

We were very close to becoming red.
CD:1 729.979
FA:1 727.728

Ohoni.6057:

I thought we were getting beat last night, how is CD not red this week? I was told that’s how it works.

While FA did come in 2nd and CD did come in 3rd,FA didn’t gain enough rating to overtake CD. So rankings did not change despite the match result. Tier 4 had an interesting occurance. Maguuma won their match and still went down in ranking.

So we have to lose twice! This sucks!

I really enjoyed last weeks matchup. Good show from all three worlds! Here’s to another exciting week of battles

CD coming out strong off the gate, but don’t worry IOJ has lots of fight in us

Had a good time in some fights last week. Sad I wasn’t around tonight for reset, but I got all weekend for some W3.

^ if I were you I wouldn’t be hoping to be red, if you red your in last place in match up, how about you help your server take the places you need instead of complaining on the forums

Good luck to everyone this week! Hopefully CD isn’t too full on Turkey, Ham, Sweets and Casseroles! Had a lot of fun tonight and looking forward to the nights to come!

I do try, for hours. To get nowhere. I’m kitten sick of it. It’s by no means worth it. I spend hours having fun, playing the game, enjoying myself in PvE, and then I check out the WvW server, and we’re nowhere near taking the red borderlands, and I try to help out for a bit, and we get nowhere near taking the red borderlands, it’s just a pointless pain in the kitten. If it were as easy as you make it seem “oh, just get in there and do some WvWing, you’ll have those points in no time!” then sure, whatever, but I’ve spent about a dozen more hours WVWing than I’d care to in a lifetime, and gotten nowhere. This is a game, it’s meant to be fun. It shouldn’t be cramming players into gameplay elements that they don’t want to play for any more than the absolute minimum amount of time. This is not working.

[RISE] is having an epic blast in IoJ borderlands, thank you for epic zerg v zerg. we just go “BAWLLZ DEEEP”

Ohoni.6057:

I do try, for hours. To get nowhere. I’m kitten sick of it. It’s by no means worth it. I spend hours having fun, playing the game, enjoying myself in PvE, and then I check out the WvW server, and we’re nowhere near taking the red borderlands, and I try to help out for a bit, and we get nowhere near taking the red borderlands, it’s just a pointless pain in the kitten. If it were as easy as you make it seem “oh, just get in there and do some WvWing, you’ll have those points in no time!” then sure, whatever, but I’ve spent about a dozen more hours WVWing than I’d care to in a lifetime, and gotten nowhere. This is a game, it’s meant to be fun. It shouldn’t be cramming players into gameplay elements that they don’t want to play for any more than the absolute minimum amount of time. This is not working.

Move servers for a week to another matchup…. vs wasting 6 weeks of waiting…

Move servers for a week to another matchup…. vs wasting 6 weeks of waiting…

I’m just about there. ANet has just about broken me. I started on CD in pre-launch, and fully intended to stay there forever, but it’s getting to the point where it just isn’t worth it. If CD can’t take the red borderlands then I’ll just have to go somewhere else. So what server is good at holding the red borderlands? Fa can’t do it, I’ve never seen the lower portions in their hands. IoJ can’t either, I’ve never seen much NE of Dreaming Bay in their hands either, all they can do is spoil it for everyone else. What servers do a good job of keeping red under their control?

Great night for CD, started pushing FA in EB, made it to Veloka with 10 ppl and held it for like an hour! Then IOJ and FA pushed our lands and we had a though time defending, after some deaths and amazing escapes from green and red zergs we managed to get our land back. Then wiped the enemies out of CD borderlands, got SMC and messed around a little at FA bl. CD is always strong after a reset, hopefully we can keep this up along the week this time…

Sorry you feel this way but pvp players have to do a lot more pve then you have to do pvp to get 100% map completion and if your doing it for legendary it’s suppose to mean you excel at all types of the game so fair is fair. All I can say is maybe transfer to a 3rd place server but coming here and rooting for your server I lose is not cool so please leave this to this weeks match up discussion and maybe make a post in general if you feel so strong about it

I have full wvw maps on two characters with a third needing a few vistas that i have not bothered with yet.
Best bet is move for a week or join a wvw guild to make it more fun.

Ohoni.6057:

I thought we were getting beat last night, how is CD not red this week? I was told that’s how it works.

Quick primer on elo: way back in the day chess players started to realize that it didn’t matter how many games you won if you were just playing pushovers. Instead they made a system where you were assigned a number that would go up or down as you played games, but it would go up more if you beat somebody with a higher number than your own, or go down a lot more if somebody with a low number beat you.

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This has spread to basically all competitive games, but especially online game matchmaking, plus a variety of modifications. Since we have the actual points in WvW it’s not just win/lose but how many points you get. When IoJ came down to this tier we were basically against a server with a higher number, so performing well against them (relatively even score split,) meant both our numbers went up a good bit.
CD hasn’t been performing well enough against TC so despite being in 2nd place our number wasn’t going up very much- but pulling the same score we did against IoJ’s higher elo FA went up that much more.

Ohoni.6057:

This is a game, it’s meant to be fun. It shouldn’t be cramming players into gameplay elements that they don’t want to play for any more than the absolute minimum amount of time. This is not working.

If you don’t have to do map completion for a legendary then I don’t want to have to do any of that mat gathering for it. Let’s not make them take any karma either, and let’s remove precursors as well. I don’t really care for any of those gameplay elements so why should I have to do them?[/dumb]

That said I wouldn’t mind if the map colors weren’t tied to your relative position in the hierarchy. That’s not at all intuitive for inexperienced players and as elo stabilizes it will just take longer and longer for servers to swap positions.

Ohoni.6057:

What servers do a good job of keeping red under their control?

The maps are meant to give you 1.5 camps and a keep fairly easily (spawn advantage) on enemy borderlands, and with breakout events you can always get a toe hold on those maps if you’ve got a handful of players that aren’t busy elsewhere. Used to be there was an even stronger presence on enemy maps because you needed at least one keep on the map to hold the orb of power (and clearly a large factor in ANet’s release of breakout events.)

So I wouldn’t expect high tiers to have anything like that.
If you’re actually checking very often you shouldn’t have any problems getting points in the lower halves of maps. Those all flip rather frequently at this tier. Getting the points in an enemy garrison and north towers would be the only places you really have to WvW a lot to get without actually switching colors. I wonder why you don’t have a hard time getting the deep points in green territory on eternal battleground though. Even when both servers would focus on TC we wouldn’t take those.

On the other hand, taking in that we are a fairly competitive WvW server and you aren’t interested in that game element what’s keeping you here? Seems you’d be happier with a more PvE focused server where jumping puzzles are the only thing you aren’t guaranteed to get after putting a lot of hours into it.

e: We took the red keep on EB so if you need that vista then you’re welcome.

Great day of fighting in IOJ borderlands. It was a great time holding bay for 10 hours straight after reset. Countless pushes and us being outnumbered, we prevailed since we came up with some pretty nice tactics. Thanks for the fights IOJ!

Don’t be surprised about FA lol its 6:24 am O.o most of us are asleep like every other day a this time. just you wait till 1 or 2 pm!

AS for me I couldn’t care less then I do now about the score. Why should I? FA has always tried to excel at the whole ‘underdog’ image but truth is we have muscle and we bring in during the day right after work.

I read all the time on other server community forums where they say well GEEZ if we just have equal numbers we could win! i mean gashh we are winning battle 2:1 day and night if only it was equal and we had a fair fight :P and the truth of the matter is, is that playing the victim like this is really fun and I love to pat my guild on the back. my guilds downtime starts after FA prime time is over and when we log back on its fun to say… hey they just couldn’t do it without us haha. But lets face it :P FA’s down time is CD’s pwn face time, is IoJs outnumbered but holding on time.. just alternate server every 6 hours and look we have a pattern.

Last night was alot of fun in FA BL i lost count of how many times i died and ran back over and over haha. But I think i killed the same CD players equally as many times

i’m enjoying this teir so much better with IoJ and CD these 2 matches are just so much more balanced imo.

FA always picks up after the weekend is over. We seem to have more midweek players.

@Ohoni: Please post complaints about the current rating system in another thread, or feel free to offer up new suggestions that create balanced matches for those of us who just want to PvP in the Suggestions sub-forum. This thread is not meant to be a place to be antsy about not finishing Map Completion in a manner as timely as your gratification-desiring brain would like.

I was only able to join for maybe an hour, but fights in FABL were an absolute blast. I love running around in a sea of red, and there was most definitely a sea of red to be diving into whether we were on the east or the west side of the map.

Cheers, to the promise of future glories.

FA’s pop drops pretty fast after 11pm EST, so far, so good, granted the score is way more in favour of CD/IoJ atm.

Ohoni.6057:

It shouldn’t be cramming players into gameplay elements that they don’t want to play for any more than the absolute minimum amount of time. This is not working.

It could be worse, you could be a WvWer and forced to PvE. You need to do map completion on 4 maps in WvW. How many zones is there in PvE? How many bloody heart quests do you have to complete? Seriously, suck it up and just play the game, you will get your completion at some point.

Great matchup last week, hopefully this one will be just as good!

Hekatombaion.4320:

That said I wouldn’t mind if the map colors weren’t tied to your relative position in the hierarchy. That’s not at all intuitive for inexperienced players and as elo stabilizes it will just take longer and longer for servers to swap positions.

This is something I never understood. If you’re going to set them based on the hierarchy, why not randomize which sections the colors start at? It changes the game somewhat if one week you’re defending your starting point at the southeast in EB and next week you’re defending the starting point in the southwest.

RyuDragnier.9476:

This is something I never understood. If you’re going to set them based on the hierarchy, why not randomize which sections the colors start at?

Because the maps are balanced to take the ranking into account.

Ever notice how Overlook (red, 3rd ranked) is the hardest keep to assault?

Mif.3471:

RyuDragnier.9476:

This is something I never understood. If you’re going to set them based on the hierarchy, why not randomize which sections the colors start at?

Because the maps are balanced to take the ranking into account.

Ever notice how Overlook (red, 3rd ranked) is the hardest keep to assault?

Now that you mention it…yes.

Sorry you feel this way but pvp players have to do a lot more pve then you have to do pvp to get 100% map completion and if your doing it for legendary it’s suppose to mean you excel at all types of the game so fair is fair.

Sorry, but I really hate that argument. It’s really nonsensical. WvW map completion does not in any way indicate how good you are at WvW. You can be the awesomest, most kitten WvW player in the game, capable of taking down a dozen enemies single-handedly, and still find it impossible to get world completion entirely on one server if you keep getting the wrong color and/or your team is incapable of holding the opposing borderlands for any length of time. WvW is a team effort, there should not be individual goals that require your team to be any good. I could take all the red borderland locations in a heartbeat if there weren’t nigh-impenetrable walls in front of many of them.

And as for “WvW players have to PvE too,” I don’t care. If that bothers you, then you fight that fight. I’ll even support you in it. I in no way support the idea of WvW players having to PvE if they don’t want to, but two wrongs don’t make a right and that in no way excuses the uphill battle that is WvW world completion. I’ve now spent more time trying to get a handful of locations in the red borderlands than I spent in the ENTIRE time that I was actively pursing PvE world completion (after hitting 80 and completing the story, I mean).

I’m not even working towards a legendary seriously, I don’t have anywhere near the Medals needed, nor the precursor, gold, or lodestones I’d need, that’s not the point. I just want world completion for its own sake. I’ve got 99.9% of it and resent the game stonewalling me over that last 0.1%.

If you don’t have to do map completion for a legendary then I don’t want to have to do any of that mat gathering for it. Let’s not make them take any karma either, and let’s remove precursors as well. I don’t really care for any of those gameplay elements so why should I have to do them?[/dumb]

I never said anything about legendaries, I was talking about map completion. I’m an explorer, not a weapon crafter.

So I wouldn’t expect high tiers to have anything like that.
If you’re actually checking very often you shouldn’t have any problems getting points in the lower halves of maps. Those all flip rather frequently at this tier. Getting the points in an enemy garrison and north towers would be the only places you really have to WvW a lot to get without actually switching colors. I wonder why you don’t have a hard time getting the deep points in green territory on eternal battleground though. Even when both servers would focus on TC we wouldn’t take those.

Not true. I’ve been checking constantly for weeks, CD is blue, Dreaming Bay is almost constantly in Green hands, and when it’s not, it’s in red hands. Longview has almost always been in red hands, once or twice in green. I’ve never seen them in blue hands, even when I’ve tried to help take one of them. I only have Garrison because TC breached their walls a few weeks back and I was able to juke in during the chaos and score both viewpoints, but that’s much harder to do on the smaller forts and keeps.

I wonder why you don’t have a hard time getting the deep points in green territory on eternal battleground though. Even when both servers would focus on TC we wouldn’t take those.

There was a point a few weeks back where for whatever reason CD held most of the EB. Over the rest of that week things shifted around, Mendon’s Gap actually took the longest to become available. The thing is, EB zergs tend to be much more effective, the ones that populate the red borderlands tend to be lackluster to non-existent, and for whatever reason seem fixated on the NE resource camp, wasting a ton of time capturing it or defending it while completely ignoring the west side of the map.

On the other hand, taking in that we are a fairly competitive WvW server and you aren’t interested in that game element what’s keeping you here? Seems you’d be happier with a more PvE focused server where jumping puzzles are the only thing you aren’t guaranteed to get after putting a lot of hours into it.

If CD were a competitive WvW server then it would be doing better. A server isn’t defined by how good they are at WvW, and I chose the server well before WvW even started.

It could be worse, you could be a WvWer and forced to PvE. You need to do map completion on 4 maps in WvW. How many zones is there in PvE? How many bloody heart quests do you have to complete? Seriously, suck it up and just play the game, you will get your completion at some point.

Yes, but PvE map completion is entirely based on player skill. You can get full PvE map compilation based entirely on your own skill. Besides, it is an exploration achievement, so why should a WvWer even care?

Hey, it’s not like many of us in Crystal Desert weren’t also NA players. I was dead on my feet by 5am server time and the oceanics just never came. Presumably you got your hills back very shortly after that since so many of us finally started having to leave to go to work without any sleep at all.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Hekatombaion.4320:

That said I wouldn’t mind if the map colors weren’t tied to your relative position in the hierarchy. That’s not at all intuitive for inexperienced players and as elo stabilizes it will just take longer and longer for servers to swap positions.

This is something I never understood. If you’re going to set them based on the hierarchy, why not randomize which sections the colors start at? It changes the game somewhat if one week you’re defending your starting point at the southeast in EB and next week you’re defending the starting point in the southwest.

It would have been meant variable map location names if they had to adjust the south half so that red/blue/green vale showed up in the right place, but there’s a smidge of balance for the heavily populated hours with the maps as they are- against 1st place you have the theoretically better team securing the hills keep while red goes for the bay that will most likely flip more often anyway. On the red border it’s the other way around with blue in the bay while green probably keeps the hills as long as they care to. If the map spawn points went mirror image some of the time it would mean comparably easy weeks for the green team instead of the slight placement advantage for red.

In EB the terrain offers some much greater advantages to the teams, with the possible exception of the water entrance to green keep being front and center instead of in a little hidden alcove you won’t see attacks at if you don’t keep a scout posted on it.

Just switch to a red server, gosh. I can’t believe this exploration rubbish is still going on after two full weeks.

Unless the tier is extremely unbalanced each server will likely have the northern holdings on their own borderlands when they have a playing population in WvW. Just pick a red server in the top few tiers, get your god kitten points and transfer back to CD in a week. If you had listened to the like 20 people telling you to do this since god knows how many weeks ago nobody will be having this discussion.

FYI your server CD is very competitive and has been doing very well in the tier especially in the first few days, if you actually work as hard as you say you do in getting the points I don’t believe you will have problems. WvW for the WvW points, or take the server transfer alternative and the week-long vacation. Don’t whine.

How about a score update instead of this map completion nonsense?

Patience. I got my map complete while on CD. It was back when it was TC, CD, and FA. In the middle of a heated battle in the FA garrison. I literally had to fight my way up to the vistas. Tons of FA, maybe about 15 of them, were camping up on the roof for my very last spot too, tons more on the ground. I got killed literally right in front of the last vista too. Luckily I had some teammates come up shortly after and pick me up and the fight continued and wiped them long enough for me to grab the vista, hit ESC to stop the vista view cam, and continue the fight. After grabbing the vista I noticed we were not only fighting FA but TC was in there too. If I recall TC did end up taking it but it was an epic battle and a memorable ending to my map completion.

Just go out there with groups going where you need to go, focus on killing those in your way instead of focusing on the end prize and you will eventually get it.

It’s weird how FA tries so much harder with TC gone, even though IoJ sweeps in behind them to repeatedly take objectives after FA did all the hard work of busting into the place.

Unless the tier is extremely unbalanced each server will likely have the northern holdings on their own borderlands when they have a playing population in WvW. Just pick a red server in the top few tiers, get your god kitten points and transfer back to CD in a week. If you had listened to the like 20 people telling you to do this since god knows how many weeks ago nobody will be having this discussion.

This shouldn’t be necessary. The game should work without requiring server transfers to do it.

FYI your server CD is very competitive and has been doing very well in the tier especially in the first few days, if you actually work as hard as you say you do in getting the points I don’t believe you will have problems.

Do you even play WvW? Personal effort plays very little role in achievements. If you have a dozen or two other players that are actively pursuing the same goals, then maybe you’ll accomplish them. If not, then no matter how good you are or how hard you try, you’ll never get close.

Patience. I got my map complete while on CD. It was back when it was TC, CD, and FA. In the middle of a heated battle in the FA garrison. I literally had to fight my way up to the vistas. Tons of FA, maybe about 15 of them, were camping up on the roof for my very last spot too, tons more on the ground. I got killed literally right in front of the last vista too. Luckily I had some teammates come up shortly after and pick me up and the fight continued and wiped them long enough for me to grab the vista, hit ESC to stop the vista view cam, and continue the fight. After grabbing the vista I noticed we were not only fighting FA but TC was in there too. If I recall TC did end up taking it but it was an epic battle and a memorable ending to my map completion.

That’s how I got Garrison too, except that I didn’t die doing it, but I’ve never seen the inner walls of Dreaming Bay breached.

Just go out there with groups going where you need to go, focus on killing those in your way instead of focusing on the end prize and you will eventually get it.

Six weeks and counting. . .

Ohoni.6057:

Unless the tier is extremely unbalanced each server will likely have the northern holdings on their own borderlands when they have a playing population in WvW. Just pick a red server in the top few tiers, get your god kitten points and transfer back to CD in a week. If you had listened to the like 20 people telling you to do this since god knows how many weeks ago nobody will be having this discussion.

This shouldn’t be necessary. The game should work without requiring server transfers to do it.

As it so happens servers have population limits. Likewise the WvW maps have population limits, but the last month or so we’ve had a hard time filling them up, because there are so many players on the server that don’t have any interest in being competitive.

You can’t get to these vistas and pois because there are too many players like you on the server. This is difficult because you insist on fighting against the WvW players on the server by not contributing to it, and as you’ve said yourself you don’t even want to WvW once you’ve got the legendary.

This game doesn’t have raid instances and fractals is the only dungeon that remains relevant beyond some clothes you’d snag for looks- but you’ll have done them all to death by the time you’ve got a legendary… so you basically want to not have to work at WvW so that you can run out of reasons to play the game?

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Can we go back to talking about the matchup please.
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Anyone have a score update for those of us working :/

Score Update

CD 33830 ppt 225
IOJ 27312 ppt 225
FA 23774 ppt 245

To the CD guy whining about red borderlands I have a couple of things to say:

First of all, if you were on CD since launch then you had EVERY opportunity to gain every point. We have been every color for a long time. Red, Blue, Green.

Secondly, please just stop showing up in these threads or leave the server. You are rooting for your own server to lose. I hope you feel ashamed and I wish for people to shun you for being callous enough to do it here on the forums publicaly.

Just to note as well, for a full month anyone could log in in the morning and see CD hold every single point on the map during our climb back up. The fact you never tried before and feel deserving that we as a server should get you your points of interest and need to lose / do your bidding makes you a whiner.

We play to win, and we try the best strategy to do so.

Commander Altie

You can’t get to these vistas and pois because there are too many players like you on the server. This is difficult because you insist on fighting against the WvW players on the server by not contributing to it, and as you’ve said yourself you don’t even want to WvW once you’ve got the legendary.

But that’s my point, we shouldn’t have to. If the majority of players on the server don’t want to WvW, that should be fine. That shouldn’t prevent them from getting world completion.

And some of you keep saying that I’m “not helping.” I’m definitely helping. I’m not the best WvW player in the world, but I’m pretty kitten good. I kill at a solid rate in general melees, I do great at aiming siege weapons. I scout and call out info. I rez downed players. I help take enemy’s points and hold the ones we’ve got. I pick up supplies when I pass through the camps and spend them where they can be efficiently used. I think I do as good a job playing WvW as most, and I spend about ten times as much time doing so as I would really care to, again likely more than most.

My failure to gain access to these points has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my participation, or lack thereof, in WvW. There is nothing that I could be doing better that would make any significant difference in whether I would be able to reach those points, which is why I see that as a flaw in the game.

This game doesn’t have raid instances and fractals is the only dungeon that remains relevant beyond some clothes you’d snag for looks- but you’ll have done them all to death by the time you’ve got a legendary… so you basically want to not have to work at WvW so that you can run out of reasons to play the game?

If and when I get tired of PvE, I’ll be tired of he game and gone from it. WvW does not even factor in any way towards by positive impressions of the game, it only serves as a potential negative. At the moment I’m enjoying the game by leveling my alts, I have my main at 80, an alt at 53, 51, 35, two at 25 and two at 20.

First of all, if you were on CD since launch then you had EVERY opportunity to gain every point. We have been every color for a long time. Red, Blue, Green.

For the first few months I was just trying to get by character to 80. I didn’t even know that WvW zones counted towards world completion until about a month and a half ago. It hadn’t even occurred to me that any PvP element would count towards an exploration goal. God forbid I was a new player that had just started the game. I actually think I have the red zone completed on one of my alts, but it didn’t occur to me at the time to get it done on the character that eventually became my main. In the past six weeks that I’d been seriously working towards map completion we haven’t been red once, and people are saying that it’s unlikely we ever will be again. That does not seem to be a healthily working system.

Secondly, please just stop showing up in these threads or leave the server. You are rooting for your own server to lose. I hope you feel ashamed and I wish for people to shun you for being callous enough to do it here on the forums publicaly.

I don’t want our team to lose, I want our team to control the red borderlands. Whether we do that by becoming the red team of tier 3, or the red team of tier 2 (which would be a step up), or we could ball-up and actually take some of those keeps for more than ten seconds, or ANet changes how they order the colors to give everyone a chance at world completion, I couldn’t care less. I’d rather our team not lose, but if ANet says “your team needs to lose in order for you to get world completion,” then Anet is saying our team should lose.

I checked in several times today and the Red Battlegrounds were in breakout mode, so if you’re doing as good as you claim, I’m seeing no evidence of it. Last night there were several points where the DB outer walls were breached, and yet all the three available commanders were goofing off at the NE supply camp instead of even bothering to take the inner walls or defend the blue trebs at Greenbriar.

I just logged in the check, Red Borderlands are entirely 100% red, what should I be doing, as an individual player, to capture the forts on the opposite side of the map, that I am somehow personally failing to do?

Chris.5024:

I’m not sure if this has been brought up before and I don’t want to derail the discussion on the thread but the guild Primordial Dragons [DRGN] has been actively recruiting on FA in Lion’s Arch and all the WvW borderlands for the past 2 weeks. They are an IoJ guild actively recruiting on FA and trying to get players and guilds to transfer over. Seems a little low and is really giving IoJ a bad reputation over here on FA.

I doubt their actions are sanctioned by IoJ as a server. If they have malicious intent against either FA or IoJ, I’ll hold those players accountable.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Chris.5024:

I’m not sure if this has been brought up before and I don’t want to derail the discussion on the thread but the guild Primordial Dragons [DRGN] has been actively recruiting on FA in Lion’s Arch and all the WvW borderlands for the past 2 weeks. They are an IoJ guild actively recruiting on FA and trying to get players and guilds to transfer over. Seems a little low and is really giving IoJ a bad reputation over here on FA.

I doubt their actions are sanctioned by IoJ as a server. If they have malicious intent against either FA or IoJ, I’ll hold those players accountable.

Correct, I will bring this up on the server forums, we are against any server coming in and trying to poach our guilds and as such are against us doing it as well.

*please note this post does not mean they are or are not doing it, just that it will be brought up so that we can investigate.

Ohoni.6057:

But that’s my point, we shouldn’t have to. If the majority of players on the server don’t want to WvW, that should be fine. That shouldn’t prevent them from getting world completion.

And some of you keep saying that I’m “not helping.” I’m definitely helping.
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and I spend about ten times as much time doing so as I would really care to, again likely more than most.

This sounds very different from “I’ve already played about twelve hours more than I’d care to in a lifetime.” Thank you for your contribution.

But what does completion even mean if you’re not completing it?

If and when I get tired of PvE, I’ll be tired of he game and gone from it. WvW does not even factor in any way towards by positive impressions of the game, it only serves as a potential negative. At the moment I’m enjoying the game by leveling my alts, I have my main at 80, an alt at 53, 51, 35, two at 25 and two at 20.

You’re working on aesthetic achievements and a shiny weapon that both say “I’ve done everything in this game.” If you don’t want to do everything then just don’t do everything.

If you want to fight in the mists and one day breach the most unassailable defenses then do that. If you want to complain that it is too hard then get off of the hard mode server and go somewhere that has WvW that’s more like the PvE content.

I don’t want our team to lose, I want our team to control the red borderlands.

Then get some of us to stop running fractals and idling in lion’s arch.

but if ANet says “your team needs to lose in order for you to get world completion,” then Anet is saying our team should lose.

They don’t say that. You’re the only one saying that.

I checked in several times today and the Red Battlegrounds were in breakout mode, so if you’re doing as good as you claim, I’m seeing no evidence of it. Last night there were several points where the DB outer walls were breached, and yet all the three available commanders were goofing off at the NE supply camp instead of even bothering to take the inner walls or defend the blue trebs at Greenbriar.

Oh my actual state-of-the-field content from you.

Leaving open field trebs undefended is bad but not rushing-in-right-when-the-wall-drops tends to be a smart choice. These are often long time scale attrition battles where we want to eliminate the supply cache inside of a keep. Rushing in to get smacked by a prepared defense would often mean both a wipe of the infantry as well as leaving those trebuchets vulnerable while we respawned. Against a significant defense inside the bay (such that you would be repelled trying to place rams or even catapults down in front of the gates, at their respective ranges,) your best approach is one of two options: catapults up on the southern rim shooting down at the inner walls or trebuchets at the northern section between the northern gates. If you have 3 elementalists that can be bothered to carry a focus then trebuchets at the very northern tip of the water (where the dam wall meets stone) can also work, but this also requires a much more competent defense crew- mainly crown control melee that are good at what they do.

With the inner gate down it is again very risky to charge straight into the lord’s room. That place is a relatively narrow alley that frequently has heavy ballista fire and however many arrow carts they can pack in before siege cap. With the kinds of bunker melee most servers can pull to defend those rooms you need to instead approach carefully and get up on the walls to thin the siege as best you can, and then approach the ballies as a wall instead of as a line, or even just guerilla it for a long time pecking at them from range until they go down.

At that point your infantry need to be capable of wiping the enemy infantry under arrow cart fire from the back wall of the lord room, but with any luck you’ve caught a lot of players that overextended and did stupid things during the siege so you outnumber them and you’ve got a group butchering anybody that tries to run back in from spawn (players almost always trickle so just four ganky players can catch the majority of it.

If they’ve got a waypoint in the bay and their pugs know how to get in between defense events then it is significantly more difficult to clear the place- so much so that I would even say ANet needs to engineer some way to basically make the defense events overlap so that waypoints can truly only be used when keeps aren’t being attacked-
but you wouldn’t care by that point because from the inner wall of bay you can rush to the vista and poi about as soon as your team has cleared the wall.