Guild Wars 2

Miss Firesss.3704:

All this talk about bugs and hacks….Getting old, QUICK. If you lose, big deal.
I was in a garrison fight not too long ago, saw an arrow cart up against the wall (wasn’t sure what was going on) and it was taken out in about 30 seconds.

I distinctly remember taking a camp a few times, and seeing a bug that allowed an opposing team to take no damage while on the hillside. You know what we did? We left.

I died more times last night than I have in an entire week, but I just waypointed, didn’t come on here crying that there was some siege on the hill I couldn’t reach to take out, or 5-10 enemies hot on my tail because I was falling behind my group or trying to get out of the spawn.

You win some, you lose some. It’s a game people, not real life. The weapons aren’t real, the armor isn’t real and the gold isn’t real.

I am ready to move up a tier or face some new servers, just so I don’t have to see this whining all the time. (IoJ, you guys are pretty cool though, glad to see you out with more numbers!)

People are ’QQ’ing because there is an arrowcart OUTSIDE of a keep able to fire on things at INNER keep. I really don’t understand why people are having to re-explain this over and over. Its an exploit, its lame as hell, and whoever is performing these exploits shouldn’t be playing video games. Video games are for challenging yourselves, not being able to say ‘Check scoreboard kitten’.

We also do not have the people on the server at all times, we get outmanned around midnight (PST) every single night. We have “fairweather” players just like everyone else, who tend to stop playing if/when we are losing.
I usually only get to play 1-2 hours a night, and I have only seen the arrow cart incident once.
Night before last, we had the biggest zerg I have ever seen for DH, but last night, our 10-20 man zerg was outmanned by DR and IoJ on more than one occasion.

Ya know there are a lot of valid arguments and quite a few missing the real heart of this topic. There will always be a place for solo, small man, and gigantic zerg fests. This debate on who is better than who can finally be out to rest, because I am the most awesome player in wvw. And to prove my feats, which I dare any and all of you to do, here is a list…

A. Able to run in the opposite direction of an incoming zerg WHILE explaining how you are not running away but instead protecting the extreme rear flank. Bonus for number of people who spit thier drink.

B. Protect a supply camp as a Yak while saying “moo” as your cover. Bonus for adding Yak jokes and/or grazzing sounds.

C. Convince people that speaking to the rocks in the ruins does infact spawn the “Special Rock Fairy.” Bonus for groups of 5 or more.

D. Having an olympic high diving contest from the vista tower in VK. Bonus for selective use of town clothes.

( disclaimer : This only applies to the voices in my head. Real/Imagined other players are subject to thier own rules and conditions. Thanks, the voices in Parti’s head. )

To all else GAME ON

Miss Firesss.3704:

We also do not have the people on the server at all times, we get outmanned around midnight (PST) every single night. We have “fairweather” players just like everyone else, who tend to stop playing if/when we are losing.
I usually only get to play 1-2 hours a night, and I have only seen the arrow cart incident once.
Night before last, we had the biggest zerg I have ever seen for DH, but last night, our 10-20 man zerg was outmanned by DR and IoJ on more than one occasion.

Last night you had all of EB, your entire BL, were pushing into IoJ with a 10-20 man zerg, AND you had 70-80 people in DRBL.

And you complain about being outmanned.

In one zone.

During a couple of hours.

Wow.

Partunu.9845:

Ya know there are a lot of valid arguments and quite a few missing the real heart of this topic. There will always be a place for solo, small man, and gigantic zerg fests. This debate on who is better than who can finally be out to rest, because I am the most awesome player in wvw. And to prove my feats, which I dare any and all of you to do, here is a list…

A. Able to run in the opposite direction of an incoming zerg WHILE explaining how you are not running away but instead protecting the extreme rear flank. Bonus for number of people who spit thier drink.

B. Protect a supply camp as a Yak while saying “moo” as your cover. Bonus for adding Yak jokes and/or grazzing sounds.

C. Convince people that speaking to the rocks in the ruins does infact spawn the “Special Rock Fairy.” Bonus for groups of 5 or more.

D. Having an olympic high diving contest from the vista tower in VK. Bonus for selective use of town clothes.

( disclaimer : This only applies to the voices in my head. Real/Imagined other players are subject to thier own rules and conditions. Thanks, the voices in Parti’s head. )

To all else GAME ON

Teh Special Rock Fairy DOES EXIST. I’ve seen it. Standing next to Bigfoot.

Um, those screen shots were from DR BL, last night, between 11pm and 1am.

I never complained about being outmanned, I was just stating a fact. Sometimes we are outmanned, sometimes you are outmanned, IoJ is usually always outmanned. It just depends on the map you are on. When we go into DR BL, we fully expect your zerg to come in and retake your stuff back, part of the game, protect what’s yours.

Not sure what has been going on in EB, but last I checked, DR and IoJ were fighting in IoJ BL while one of our commanders swept it.

We have some really good commanders who get stuff done, no messing around.

Several postings that were against the rules of the forum have been removed. You can get more information on these rules in this rules reminder thread.

Wish I could’ve seen the posts before they were kitten’d, I’m sure there was something about us taking DH’s garrison last night LOL

Anyway, here’s some of DH’s classic “tactics”.

In the first picture you’ll see that DR has been doing very well in EB. We seiged up Durios and QL nicely, had them both upgrading consistently, and even built a treb. Both servers made attempts to get these towers, but even though we had the Outmanned buff, we never lost them.

But how does DH solve this problem? With a 50+ zerg, as always. I wish I had a screen resolution large enough to show you this zerg, because I’ve never seen anything like it outside of DH.

The last picture is proof that DH can only solve problems with numbers. Everything in our territory is blue other than the keep, because their massive zerg just wiped by it. Everything that DH zergs down, we get back while they zerg their next objective.

Problem is… It’s against the TOS to post screen shots, videos, or details around explits/hacks. Screens were posted and mods did what they needed to do to keep kids from the typical “Monkey see – Monkey do” behavior. Yes, they can google, but most hackers/exploiters are just dumb to begin with.

IF you really want to feel good, just send that stuff to Anet and let them do thier end. Then we get to hear all the QQ about how little billy got banned for using an arrow cart and he’s actually a “victim.” I love those most.

I just finished dueling a DH sylvari mesmer commander (Guild tag [RTH] or something). In DH BL by the lake. We didn’t finish the fight, but good fight none the less.

I was the norn ranger with the wolves.

DH has zergs of 70+?

Wow.. Where am I when this happens?

Wow.. Where am I when this happens?Oh, and leg specialist warriors on ACs are really, really annoying.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

blah blah blah zergs scare me

I know, right? Uneven battles should be banned by Anet. Hell, everyone on DH should get banned from the game for being such meanies.

Look, here is a screenshot of DH assaulting our tower with more people than we have. THIS ISN’T FAIR!

Zergs should be outlawed.

Edit: oops, thats actually DR with more people, but it seems like DR is leading the charge on the forums about how unfair fights are the Ultimate Evil™

But in seriousness, this stuff is really childish. Stop complaining about being outmanned. Its not surprising people on your server don’t wanna fight when they haven’t been winning lately. DH has had that happen, other servers have had that happen. Whining isn’t gonna solve anything.

Auvit.2970:

Look, here is a screenshot of DH assaulting our tower with more people than we have. THIS ISN’T FAIR!

Psst! Helps if you have an outmanned buff handy in the screenshot. As well as a group of rednames doing something that seems rather petty…

pixieish.9627:

Auvit.2970:

Look, here is a screenshot of DH assaulting our tower with more people than we have. THIS ISN’T FAIR!

Psst! Helps if you have an outmanned buff handy in the screenshot. As well as a group of rednames doing something that seems rather petty…

I was making a joke about people complaining how its ONLY Darkhaven that ever gang up on people. But I guess your screenshot proves that Darkhaven is the ONLY server to ever do that too.

Boy, do I look silly.

First I would like to commend DR on being able to hold Hills in IoJ BL for as long as you guys do. It’s quite something to see and I’m learning a lot from the way you guys are placing your defensive siege. But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto it so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything? I understand that when we took Hills back in IoJ it appears to be during your quiet time, the defenders that you had left in IoJ Hills made a valiant effort of repelling us, but they either failed to realise that DH was taking your BL or just didn’t care. Either way you lost everything in your BL not only to DH, but then to IoJ a short while later. I know you guys lead us by a lot of points atm, but is holding our Hills really that important to you guys that you would sacrifice your entire BL? I fail to see the superior tactic in that, which is why I ask.

Creepy Silent.9801:

MrFluffy.9307:

DR, you do know the reason you’re winning is because you have WAY more people right? IoJ is the superior server/SNIP.
sad face

So what you are saying is…
DH: More Numbers
DR: More Numbers
(Totally ignoring the fact that you have aussies) Playing for second? That made me lol

DEM SCREENSHOTS SON

People of IoJ, DR and DH,

Let’s just kill each other ok.

I’m having fun losing or winning, this is a game. Let’s have FUN!

I know in real life we can all be BFFs.

Peace!

Tonaius.6712:

First I would like to commend DR on being able to hold Hills in IoJ BL for as long as you guys do. It’s quite something to see and I’m learning a lot from the way you guys are placing your defensive siege. But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto it so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything? I understand that when we took Hills back in IoJ it appears to be during your quiet time, the defenders that you had left in IoJ Hills made a valiant effort of repelling us, but they either failed to realise that DH was taking your BL or just didn’t care. Either way you lost everything in your BL not only to DH, but then to IoJ a short while later. I know you guys lead us by a lot of points atm, but is holding our Hills really that important to you guys that you would sacrifice your entire BL? I fail to see the superior tactic in that, which is why I ask.

It’s really not that complicated and if you were there when you took your Hills back you’d have the answer.

There wasn’t a lot of us at IoJ Hills.

There was a crap-ton * technical term * of DH in our BL.

Now, to be completely fair, I have witnessed the same behavior from IoJ. DH taking YOUR borderlands whilst you frolic in DR BL. Which you probably did for the same reasons, and to try and catch up to the second place guy, who is us.

So, There is this game I like to play called: Survivor!
Simple really, one man team vs the other server.
Jump in, get full attack from an entire zerg, and see how long you can last.
Record best is this one, 23 seconds till down(with timer) , another 4 sec before dead(finished)

This was claimed to be “superior tactics” vs us. Considering it was about 40+ (ton more behind hill) vs our party of about 13.

Auvit.2970:

pixieish.9627:

Auvit.2970:

Look, here is a screenshot of DH assaulting our tower with more people than we have. THIS ISN’T FAIR!

Psst! Helps if you have an outmanned buff handy in the screenshot. As well as a group of rednames doing something that seems rather petty…

I was making a joke about people complaining how its ONLY Darkhaven that ever gang up on people. But I guess your screenshot proves that Darkhaven is the ONLY server to ever do that too.

Boy, do I look silly.

I haven’t seen anybody say that only DH gangs up on people. So far, I’ve just seen DR folks make the point that DH uses large numbers of people grouped up together to complete their objectives instead of say, breaking up that large number into smaller groups, using interesting and complicated maneuvers and tactics, and facing their enemy on a more even footing.

What I, and others feel would make the game more interesting is if there were a phased limit so that sides would be roughly even. No more rewards for a server getting lucky enough to have a large WvW population. Then, if you ran into a situation like your picture indicates it would show that one side was out-witted by the other. This may have been the case, that your side (DH) had a large zerg elsewhere while DR at that moment chose to attack that castle.

bellrang.1628:

So, There is this game I like to play called: Survivor!
Simple really, one man team vs the other server.
Jump in, get full attack from an entire zerg, and see how long you can last.
Record best is this one, 23 seconds till down(with timer) , another 4 sec before dead(finished)

This was claimed to be “superior tactics” vs us. Considering it was about 40+ (ton more behind hill) vs our party of about 13.

When you had Garrison, 2 towers, a bunch of supply camp and about 40-50 DDLG’s. So yea, at least include that your entire guild was here before they got pushed out.

Prosecutor.1457:

bellrang.1628:

So, There is this game I like to play called: Survivor!
Simple really, one man team vs the other server.
Jump in, get full attack from an entire zerg, and see how long you can last.
Record best is this one, 23 seconds till down(with timer) , another 4 sec before dead(finished)

This was claimed to be “superior tactics” vs us. Considering it was about 40+ (ton more behind hill) vs our party of about 13.

When you had Garrison, 2 towers, a bunch of supply camp and about 40-50 DDLG’s. So yea, at least include that your entire guild was here before they got pushed out.

Lets see a screenshot of 40 to 50 DDLG’s – ‘cause we didn’t have even 20 out there. Try again. And what does us having our Garrison have to do with anything? Random.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Miss Firesss.3704:

All this talk about bugs and hacks….Getting old, QUICK. If you lose, big deal.
I was in a garrison fight not too long ago, saw an arrow cart up against the wall (wasn’t sure what was going on) and it was taken out in about 30 seconds.

I distinctly remember taking a camp a few times, and seeing a bug that allowed an opposing team to take no damage while on the hillside. You know what we did? We left.

I died more times last night than I have in an entire week, but I just waypointed, didn’t come on here crying that there was some siege on the hill I couldn’t reach to take out, or 5-10 enemies hot on my tail because I was falling behind my group or trying to get out of the spawn.

You win some, you lose some. It’s a game people, not real life. The weapons aren’t real, the armor isn’t real and the gold isn’t real.

I am ready to move up a tier or face some new servers, just so I don’t have to see this whining all the time. (IoJ, you guys are pretty cool though, glad to see you out with more numbers!)

I don’t have a problem with anyone beating us fairly. I do have a problem with exploits. You’re straw-manning the real life issue. Nobody here is saying anything more than that you’re cheating at a game. Arrest warrants have not been issued and legislation has not been drawn.

We’re ready for you to move up a tier as well. We’d like to fight you evenly matched and it’s obvious we don’t have the people on this server 24/7 to do that. It’s not our fault Anet’s scoring system is goofy.

If you’re not smart enough to call out an exploit (like the one you mentioned) that’s not really my problem. There’s nothing wrong with a fair game and there’s nothing wrong in asking for one.

you’re implying you’d be winning even without that happening fact is get over it.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Prosecutor.1457:

bellrang.1628:

So, There is this game I like to play called: Survivor!
Simple really, one man team vs the other server.
Jump in, get full attack from an entire zerg, and see how long you can last.
Record best is this one, 23 seconds till down(with timer) , another 4 sec before dead(finished)

This was claimed to be “superior tactics” vs us. Considering it was about 40+ (ton more behind hill) vs our party of about 13.

When you had Garrison, 2 towers, a bunch of supply camp and about 40-50 DDLG’s. So yea, at least include that your entire guild was here before they got pushed out.

Lets see a screenshot of 40 to 50 DDLG’s – ‘cause we didn’t have even 20 out there. Try again. And what does us having our Garrison have to do with anything? Random.

I don’t screenshot for the self pleasure of trying to say how much more numbers we have. I play the game.

It was less than 20 DDLG…Everytime we went to hit a gate we would get get zerged down.

Prosecutor.1457:

Almostfaceman.1804:

Prosecutor.1457:

bellrang.1628:

So, There is this game I like to play called: Survivor!
Simple really, one man team vs the other server.
Jump in, get full attack from an entire zerg, and see how long you can last.
Record best is this one, 23 seconds till down(with timer) , another 4 sec before dead(finished)

This was claimed to be “superior tactics” vs us. Considering it was about 40+ (ton more behind hill) vs our party of about 13.

When you had Garrison, 2 towers, a bunch of supply camp and about 40-50 DDLG’s. So yea, at least include that your entire guild was here before they got pushed out.

Lets see a screenshot of 40 to 50 DDLG’s – ‘cause we didn’t have even 20 out there. Try again. And what does us having our Garrison have to do with anything? Random.

I don’t screenshot for the self pleasure of trying to say how much more numbers we have. I play the game.

You’re the one who brought up large DDLG numbers.

Zelthios.5902:

Almostfaceman.1804:

Miss Firesss.3704:

All this talk about bugs and hacks….Getting old, QUICK. If you lose, big deal.
I was in a garrison fight not too long ago, saw an arrow cart up against the wall (wasn’t sure what was going on) and it was taken out in about 30 seconds.

I distinctly remember taking a camp a few times, and seeing a bug that allowed an opposing team to take no damage while on the hillside. You know what we did? We left.

I died more times last night than I have in an entire week, but I just waypointed, didn’t come on here crying that there was some siege on the hill I couldn’t reach to take out, or 5-10 enemies hot on my tail because I was falling behind my group or trying to get out of the spawn.

You win some, you lose some. It’s a game people, not real life. The weapons aren’t real, the armor isn’t real and the gold isn’t real.

I am ready to move up a tier or face some new servers, just so I don’t have to see this whining all the time. (IoJ, you guys are pretty cool though, glad to see you out with more numbers!)

I don’t have a problem with anyone beating us fairly. I do have a problem with exploits. You’re straw-manning the real life issue. Nobody here is saying anything more than that you’re cheating at a game. Arrest warrants have not been issued and legislation has not been drawn.

We’re ready for you to move up a tier as well. We’d like to fight you evenly matched and it’s obvious we don’t have the people on this server 24/7 to do that. It’s not our fault Anet’s scoring system is goofy.

If you’re not smart enough to call out an exploit (like the one you mentioned) that’s not really my problem. There’s nothing wrong with a fair game and there’s nothing wrong in asking for one.

you’re implying you’d be winning even without that happening fact is get over it.

What did I say that implied we’d be winning anyway?

Although it is a bit late. The fight in DR BL yesterday night for Hills was one of the best times I have had in WvW in a while.

Nice job at Bay just now IoJ, there was like six or seven DR there and they were all focused on the treb and… wasting supply or something. In the meantime you had sneaked in and were cata’ing a wall. Hopefully, DR will learn something from this little episode.

Shout out to AoD guild +friends, was nice 1v1s @ greenlake in DRBL. You guys are a cool group.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Nice job at Bay just now IoJ, there was like six or seven DR there and they were all focused on the treb and… wasting supply or something. In the meantime you had sneaked in and were cata’ing a wall. Hopefully, DR will learn something from this little episode.

Haha, thanks.

What happened up at IoJ BL a few hours beforehand? It seemed to me to be a mass suicide by you DDLG guys. It got a chuckle out of me, though. :P

Almostfaceman.1804:

Nice job at Bay just now IoJ, there was like six or seven DR there and they were all focused on the treb and… wasting supply or something. In the meantime you had sneaked in and were cata’ing a wall. Hopefully, DR will learn something from this little episode.

Actually both IOJ and DH learned something outside of IOJ BL Bay keep tonight. They eventually learned to watch their flanks. It took 100+ deaths collectively for them to learn it, but they did. By the time we pulled out they were both standing near their tower/keep watching us.

It was a great training exercise for DR as well, and one of our warriors (Interpreter) learned something very important. If the enemy has attempted a portal bomb on us once, then maybe that one guy standing out solo might be bait

Mayhem.1935:

Shout out to AoD guild +friends, was nice 1v1s @ greenlake in DRBL. You guys are a cool group.

I think I can speak for all of us there… HOLY CLONES BATMAN! We, in AoD & oHai, had a lot of fun. Was a great break from the drama in the rest of wvw. Lots of fair play, good matches, and new friends. Thanks to Dark for grouping with us so that we could relay chat to your group. And if Vars or Bela asks… We were defending the camp.

Partipack – DR Engineer

Marcol.2349:

Creepy Silent.9801:

MrFluffy.9307:

DR, you do know the reason you’re winning is because you have WAY more people right? IoJ is the superior server/SNIP.
sad face

So what you are saying is…
DH: More Numbers
DR: More Numbers
(Totally ignoring the fact that you have aussies) Playing for second? That made me lol

DEM SCREENSHOTS SON

That’s like what, 30 people? That’s nothing considered to the 50-60 man zerg’s your server and DH throws at us.

MrFluffy.9307:

Marcol.2349:

Creepy Silent.9801:

MrFluffy.9307:

DR, you do know the reason you’re winning is because you have WAY more people right? IoJ is the superior server/SNIP.
sad face

So what you are saying is…
DH: More Numbers
DR: More Numbers
(Totally ignoring the fact that you have aussies) Playing for second? That made me lol

DEM SCREENSHOTS SON

That’s like what, 30 people? That’s nothing considered to the 50-60 man zerg’s your server and DH throws at us.

If DR has a 50-60 man zerg I wanna see it. No really, I’m not being sarcastic. Pictures. Been here at DR for a little while and I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many people together fighting.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Nice job at Bay just now IoJ, there was like six or seven DR there and they were all focused on the treb and… wasting supply or something. In the meantime you had sneaked in and were cata’ing a wall. Hopefully, DR will learn something from this little episode.

Thank you sir! Was fun, thought our cover was blown at the end lol.

Tonaius.6712:

But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto [IoJ Hills] so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything?

DR BL is often full of pugs and terrible commanders who think they are good at the game because they bought 100g. Those of us seeking semi-intelligent play must look elsewhere.

Wow we had a good time tonight – lots of fun fights, especially holding the SE tower in IoJ bl. Props to whomever was manning the IoJ trebs in IoJ’s east keep. You literally shot those for about two hours. We would’ve liked to hand the tower to you directly after everything was said and done just for your dedication haha

Mayhem.1935:

Shout out to AoD guild +friends, was nice 1v1s @ greenlake in DRBL. You guys are a cool group.

Yup, it was fun hanging out with you guys. I definitely look forward to meeting again.

Partunu.9845:

I think I can speak for all of us there… HOLY CLONES BATMAN! We, in AoD & oHai, had a lot of fun. Was a great break from the drama in the rest of wvw. Lots of fair play, good matches, and new friends. Thanks to Dark for grouping with us so that we could relay chat to your group. And if Vars or Bela asks… We were defending the camp.

Partipack – DR Engineer

Well, of course we were defending the camp! We would never spend an unnecessary amount of time in yak form enjoying the opposing server’s company!

Tonaius.6712:

First I would like to commend DR on being able to hold Hills in IoJ BL for as long as you guys do. It’s quite something to see and I’m learning a lot from the way you guys are placing your defensive siege. But I would like to question why you guys would hold onto it so tightly when DH sweeps through your BL and takes everything? I understand that when we took Hills back in IoJ it appears to be during your quiet time, the defenders that you had left in IoJ Hills made a valiant effort of repelling us, but they either failed to realise that DH was taking your BL or just didn’t care. Either way you lost everything in your BL not only to DH, but then to IoJ a short while later. I know you guys lead us by a lot of points atm, but is holding our Hills really that important to you guys that you would sacrifice your entire BL? I fail to see the superior tactic in that, which is why I ask.

Thank you! Me and another commander have been working on your BL these past days, it was quite amusing to see a 20 man IoJ group running around or spawn when their BL was fully red. Hills is extremely hard to take if it’s sieged up properly.

Anyway, we held onto our BL for a very very long time. We lost bay but made one hell of a stand at Hills, queuing our BL and eventually completely pushed DH out of it.

But then they came back, and this time they brought zoom hack. All our inner siege went poof and they managed to successfully take hills. After that most of our people decided that we didn’t want to play with exploiters anymore.

I was actually excited to play for points this week, something I haven’t done in a very long time, but that kind of ruined all my fun (it’s the reason I have been so vocal on the forums about it). I will not be commanding more until I am rid of DH, one way or the other.

Prosecutor.1457:

I don’t screenshot for the self pleasure of trying to say how much more numbers we have. I play the game.

Says he plays the game instead of posting screenshots to the forums. Is sitting on forums getting trolled. The hurdur is strong with this one.

Tonaius.6712:

I fail to see the superior tactic in that, which is why I ask.

IoJ has yet to implement the SAB zoom hack on us, therefore holding a keep in your territory is actually possible, where only you guys would attack it. I did actually try and defend all of DRBL last night, but as usual the zoom hack came by and wiped all of the inner siege, and then DH still decided to treb inner walls for another 2 hours before taking the keep with 3:1 number advantage.

In general, I really have no idea why DH does what they do. Obviously they have never seen losing weeks like DR or IoJ, or they would not care so much about winning silly T6. Ah well, they will get plenty when they stroll into T5. I’ll be sure my friends from Ebay give them a warm welcome when they fully cap their borderlands every night

Maybe we should just get DW together and witness it first hand Alyrico

IoJ: Your commanders might want to consider not going for points for the rest of the week so you drop down a tier. SF would take your place and you might actually end up with a decent matchup against HoD and NSP.

IoJ in DRs bay keep area….

Gotta run from two of us? can’t come fight till theres 6-8 of you? thats just sad. go back to your dungeon farming. I could understand a couple of you doing it, but all of you there doing it for the last half hour? lulz.

Oozo.7856:

But… but if they leave, we’ll get trounced by SF for at least two weeks while IoJ gets to have fun in Tier 7.

pixieish.9627:

Oozo.7856:

But… but if they leave, we’ll get trounced by SF for at least two weeks while IoJ gets to have fun in Tier 7.

I’d rather be in IoJ’s position but if SF has enough population/coverage to put pressure on DH it actually helps the third server in this tier.

Feh… it’ll just mean even more zergs. Have you heard about the stories they say of Sorrow’s Furnace? They say you can’t even see the grass as it’s all covered in red names, as hordes of vengeful former Tier 8’s roam the landscape like former Tier 8 locusts, devouring innocent Tier 7’s while they scream out how it’s inconceivable that a Tier 8 server could survive in their far superior tier. Months of sitting on top of two smaller Tier 8 servers have ensured that Sorrow’s Furnace has had time to experiment with all sorts of siege placement. None of it useful, of course, but still, you’ll be wandering along and BAM! Unexpected rock catapulted to your face from a Sorrow Furnacer who’s only form of entertainment from January was sniping champion grubs at max range. And their server name is well deserved, for deep within their evil lair they harvest sweet sorrowful tears and use it to heat up their evil rooms to a comfortable 23 degrees Celsius, the most evil temperature setting there is!

I think everyone at some time or another has had the experience of being rolled by superior numbers. You kill 1, 2, 3, and they just keep coming until you get gang spiked by 5+. You can set up siege and use defenses to counter this, but if they are exploiting to remove that siege, the game once again is reduced to mindless numbers.

Last night in DRBL, there were crossed swords at Bay and Hills at the same time. In both places were DH zergs. At Bay it was a bunch of uplevels with low organization. At Hills there was more organization and less uplevels. Got about 5-10 tops into Hills before the DH zerg just rolled it down. At Bay there was better fighting, and we forced them out. We then rolled them back one keep at a time until we pushed Hills, and the legions of hell unleashed the entire swarm of DH to prevail there. I left the DRBL at about the time that zerg was pressing Garrison, so as to push in the DHBL, where we flipped several camps, and got part of that map blue.

I think what distinguishes (IoJ and DR) from (DH) is this ability of DH to field mind numbingly large multiple zergs that prevail upon numbers alone, and frequently exploit the zoom out bug to bypass siege. I have never seen IoJ exploit the zoom out bug in taking keeps. This is just DH.

If you run into equal numbers of DH, you wipe them. But like the zombies on Walking Dead, they start moaning, which draws other mindless zombies to the location to feed, and soon the area is swarming with an unbeatable mindless zerg that just keeps coming and coming no matter how much you kill them.

I think the cure for this is simple. At the time a kill takes place, count up players in a 3000 radius from the kill point. Add up the numbers on your side, add up the numbers on their side.

WXP = Z * (present WXP)

Z = (number of enemy players)/(number of your players)

So if 10 DH roll a single IoJ player, those 10 players have WXP for that kill divided by 10. If the IoJ player kills off 1 of the 10, he gets 10x WXP.

Over time good skill will rank up, while mindless zerging lags behind.

I love how you DR people keep saying we use the SAB zoom bug, but have only given I think 1 actual piece of evidence where it could have possibly been used. You need more evidence before saying that we keep using the zoom bug.

Lepew.7890:

I think the cure for this is simple. At the time a kill takes place, count up players in a 3000 radius from the kill point. Add up the numbers on your side, add up the numbers on their side.

WXP = Z * (present WXP)

Z = (number of enemy players)/(number of your players)

So if 10 DH roll a single IoJ player, those 10 players have WXP for that kill divided by 10. If the IoJ player kills off 1 of the 10, he gets 10x WXP.

Over time good skill will rank up, while mindless zerging lags behind.

I’m pretty sure they said they would not due that, I just can’t remember their reasoning.

Ahh, here it is. Devon Carver (Guy taking over for Habib, I think he was)

I don’t disagree with the premise, except for the very trenchant analysis of Syeria, which is that by doing that we discourage people from playing together and in fact create a high likelihood that people will be upset with other players for showing up and costing them WXP. At the core of our game is the premise that you should always be excited to see other players and while in WvW that can be positive excitement from your teammates or the rush you feel just before getting crushed by the other server, we don’t want to do anything to damage that. I think there is something we can do to solve the problem here without discouraging people from playing together, but we haven’t figured it out just yet.