Guild Wars 2

Cactus.2710:

In my opinion, it is not possible to identify which play style … the AD/BSTY/NoQQ and KoS harassing type of elite roaming groups or the players performing the less glamorous functions in a more scattered manner … contributes more to the server point scores.

I can help with that. The latter contributes more to the point score. A server needs both, but needs more of the latter than the former to be successful IMO.

Gravy.7589:

Though we did wipe you a few times last night with pretty equal numbers and you most definitely were running with more then ten people in SBI BL last night. The mass invis bomb you laid on our group last night in the corn field had far more then 10 people and was nasty, lol. I lagged out so bad from the culling that I was dead before before any skills went off :/

We had 10. There were 8 on the initial hit (along with one PUG) and then two more of us came in late via the bridge (along with another PUG) after the fight was already determined.

We had three mesmers (unusal for us) and you had just pulled the guards so I know it looked like far more than 10 (or so) but it wasn’t. No shame in that wipe, you got flanked and pulled the guards at the same time. Anyone would have been wiped there. I typically delete footage like this but just hadn’t gotten around to cleaning the footage from last night.

These are the numbers we were running with last night. Hovering somewhere between 10-15, closer to 10. All of the fights I was in last night where we got wiped it was to superior numbers.

Anybody not wasting their time on the grub is helping in one way or another, and sometimes the contribution they make isn’t even recognizable until much later in the match.

Well said, except if you are SBI:) Please keep diverting your zerg off Bravost to touch the grub. Blowing you up with VK siege is hilarious and provides a much needed laugh for us
as we spend prime time grimly pushing you off our map corner.

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Gab Superstar.4059:

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Let’s hope our numbers stay at current levels, we’ll stand a fighting chance.

Yams.6082:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Let’s hope our numbers stay at current levels, we’ll stand a fighting chance.

You are projected to go up a tier currently.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Yams.6082:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Let’s hope our numbers stay at current levels, we’ll stand a fighting chance.

You are projected to go up a tier currently.

That might end up being a good fight. I don’t think we’ll win necessarily because CD has a very active off-peak presence but it’ll be interesting. I don’t know much about Maguuma so we’ll have to see how the numbers compare once things get going. At least it’s a new matchup.

Maladon.5760:

That might end up being a good fight. I don’t think we’ll win necessarily because CD has a very active off-peak presence but it’ll be interesting. I don’t know much about Maguuma so we’ll have to see how the numbers compare once things get going. At least it’s a new matchup.

Looks like [Kiwi] has their work cut out for them

Maguuma is strong NA primetime but weak overnight/morning IIRC. The best matchup would be EB/CD/SBI, IMO. Too bad that won’t happen.

Maladon.5760:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Yams.6082:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Let’s hope our numbers stay at current levels, we’ll stand a fighting chance.

You are projected to go up a tier currently.

That might end up being a good fight. I don’t think we’ll win necessarily because CD has a very active off-peak presence but it’ll be interesting. I don’t know much about Maguuma so we’ll have to see how the numbers compare once things get going. At least it’s a new matchup.

Unless something major happened to the server, you will most likely be stomped by Maguuma. They have a very active roaming population accompanied by very coordinated pug zergs. I guarantee you they will hold on to your bay throughout the week and launch attacks from there whenever they have the population to do so. They are very good at defending that keep, so I don’t think your massive off-hour presence will be able to do anything against it either.

This is of course assuming SBI and Maguuma performs the way I saw them perform in T5.

Oozo.7856:

Maguuma is strong NA primetime but weak overnight/morning IIRC. The best matchup would be EB/CD/SBI, IMO. Too bad that won’t happen.

Depends if SoS loses more people as they fall down. If they are t5 it would align stuff pretty well.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Maladon.5760:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Yams.6082:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CD passed EB who are less than two rating points from moving down now.

Let’s hope our numbers stay at current levels, we’ll stand a fighting chance.

You are projected to go up a tier currently.

That might end up being a good fight. I don’t think we’ll win necessarily because CD has a very active off-peak presence but it’ll be interesting. I don’t know much about Maguuma so we’ll have to see how the numbers compare once things get going. At least it’s a new matchup.

Unless something major happened to the server, you will most likely be stomped by Maguuma. They have a very active roaming population accompanied by very coordinated pug zergs. I guarantee you they will hold on to your bay throughout the week and launch attacks from there whenever they have the population to do so. They are very good at defending that keep, so I don’t think your massive off-hour presence will be able to do anything against it either.

This is of course assuming SBI and Maguuma performs the way I saw them perform in T5.

It’s hard to say. Currently TC seems to be wrecking Maguuma.

Maladon.5760:

It’s hard to say. Currently TC seems to be wrecking Maguuma.

This is interesting, because we held our own fairly well against TC when we were T2. The real killer for us at that point in our drop was that SoR was a simply supermassive server that we couldn’t compete against. I’m not quite sure how we’ll fare against Maguuma, but either way it’ll be a good opportunity to see what we’re really made of and whether we can convince our numbers to stick with it.

Oozo.7856:

Cactus.2710:

In my opinion, it is not possible to identify which play style … the AD/BSTY/NoQQ and KoS harassing type of elite roaming groups or the players performing the less glamorous functions in a more scattered manner … contributes more to the server point scores.

I can help with that. The latter contributes more to the point score. A server needs both, but needs more of the latter than the former to be successful IMO.

I meant on a per-player basis ….

There is no team in I. I still hold the same opinion.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Maladon.5760:

It’s hard to say. Currently TC seems to be wrecking Maguuma.

This is interesting, because we held our own fairly well against TC when we were T2. The real killer for us at that point in our drop was that SoR was a simply supermassive server that we couldn’t compete against. I’m not quite sure how we’ll fare against Maguuma, but either way it’ll be a good opportunity to see what we’re really made of and whether we can convince our numbers to stick with it.

I don’t know the state of SBI, but TC dominating t3 is a numbers game like the ladder always is. If SBI isn’t pushing 3-4 queues on reset and 2 queues NA, then you aren’t comparable to TC’s endless zerg army.

Pinko.2076:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Maladon.5760:

It’s hard to say. Currently TC seems to be wrecking Maguuma.

This is interesting, because we held our own fairly well against TC when we were T2. The real killer for us at that point in our drop was that SoR was a simply supermassive server that we couldn’t compete against. I’m not quite sure how we’ll fare against Maguuma, but either way it’ll be a good opportunity to see what we’re really made of and whether we can convince our numbers to stick with it.

I don’t know the state of SBI, but TC dominating t3 is a numbers game like the ladder always is. If SBI isn’t pushing 3-4 queues on reset and 2 queues NA, then you aren’t comparable to TC’s endless zerg army.

Well we’re more interested in what the queues are on your server and how endless your zerg army is

Maladon.5760:

Pinko.2076:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Maladon.5760:

It’s hard to say. Currently TC seems to be wrecking Maguuma.

This is interesting, because we held our own fairly well against TC when we were T2. The real killer for us at that point in our drop was that SoR was a simply supermassive server that we couldn’t compete against. I’m not quite sure how we’ll fare against Maguuma, but either way it’ll be a good opportunity to see what we’re really made of and whether we can convince our numbers to stick with it.

I don’t know the state of SBI, but TC dominating t3 is a numbers game like the ladder always is. If SBI isn’t pushing 3-4 queues on reset and 2 queues NA, then you aren’t comparable to TC’s endless zerg army.

Well we’re more interested in what the queues are on your server and how endless your zerg army is

We usually do 2 queue reset and no queue weekday. If it’s a match we’re likely to win, our fairweather players come out and sometimes get a daily Eternal queue for a couple of hours.

This is based on the past 3-4ish weeks

We transfered from maguuma to avoid the zergyness. They are getting stomped by tc for the same reason they will stomp sbi…population.

The population gradient in this 3,4,5 tier range is extreme.

Acelerion.6820:

We transfered from maguuma to avoid the zergyness. They are getting stomped by tc for the same reason they will stomp sbi…population.

The population gradient in this 3,4,5 tier range is extreme.

Pretty much. Mag holds no illusions about skill greater than population anymore and other t5/t4/t3 servers shouldn’t either. The population gap separating tiers is pretty big, but the jump from t3/t2 servers is insane, and larger than any jumps before it.

Open field fights are worth bragging about, though, so we hope to have fun vs sbi.

Some fun fighting in EB today. It was kind of weird that you couldn’t take back Danelon from 10 people when you had at least twice that number. Especially that [SBI] guild seemed to not really know what they were doing. Flanking is good, but when you have twice our numbers a push from the front would have finished us off quickly. Instead your pushes came at different times from the entrances and we proceeded to wipe you too many times to count, eventually capturing the tower.

Nice job upgrading all of the maps for once by the way, and actually defending what you captured. Made for some fun WvW rather than the usual PvD we have to endure while you twiddle your thumbs in SM. The fact that we didn’t get wiped by the typical 40 man SBI zerg was the cherry on top.

I have a lot of friends on EB and I know they want to stay in their tier, because of how boring T5 is for whatever T4 guild drops down, but for my sake I won’t be missing this match up a bit.

Acelerion.6820:

We transfered from maguuma to avoid the zergyness. They are getting stomped by tc for the same reason they will stomp sbi…population.

The population gradient in this 3,4,5 tier range is extreme.

IMO they need more Crypt Keepers over these tiers …. that Hundred Blades will Keep Ya Downed…

Look for a few more to small man with on DR… pm me in game or here …

Especially if you played DAoC..

Had lots of fun with our small group in DR and EB tonight.
Props to sbi and ioj small groups we fought. Thank you for the fun.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

[kiwi] you seem very interested in spawn camping in ioj. Maybe you would have more fun doing some fightclub. I think its more fun and you have many many members which should make for some interesting match ups

maybe IoJ at the windmill?

Great fights tonight!

Bermier & [BSW]Crew,

So, why not take the people to task who post 685 PPT screenshots as if it is an accomplishment. They happen to be the same type of people who lose with equal numbers, come back and then lose with double the number, and then come back and win with three times the numbers at which point they spam laugh.

Solving problems with numbers is nothing to be proud about. And, spam laughing us when we finally get overwhelmed after killing you repeatedly makes you look bad, not us.

Oozo.7856:

So, why not take the people to task who post 685 PPT screenshots as if it is an accomplishment. They happen to be the same type of people who lose with equal numbers, come back and then lose with double the number, and then come back and win with three times the numbers at which point they spam laugh.

Solving problems with numbers is nothing to be proud about. And, spam laughing us when we finally get overwhelmed after killing you repeatedly makes you look bad, not us.

I agree, I don’t like this either; it was nice to be on top for the first week of this matchup (first time since I joined SBI), but now it seems like we win mostly due to population/coverage and don’t really have to get creative.

The thing is, that was posted on a forum that pretty much only SBI players frequent, so there isn’t the potential for discord that there is here.

Oozo.7856:

So, why not take the people to task who post 685 PPT screenshots as if it is an accomplishment.

The only one of these I have seen posted in these threads was posted by me, and it was pretty clear it was a joke.

Unless you are talking about the ones on the SBI community forums?

If so, it seems very petty, going into another server’s community forum and then complaining you don’t like what you see.

It’s like following a team in a sport, going to sit with a bunch of fans from another team and then complaining they’re biased. What do you honestly expect?

I don’t visit those forums – but they are SBI’s forums. They posted SBI-related content with a SBI as the target audience in mind. If the posts upset you – don’t read them.

I really hope you’re talking about a screenshot posted in one of the match-up threads on this forum that I missed. You’re very much going out of your way to be annoyed at something in this case.

Oozo.7856:

They happen to be the same type of people who lose with equal numbers, come back and then lose with double the number, and then come back and win with three times the numbers at which point they spam laugh.

Solving problems with numbers is nothing to be proud about. And, spam laughing us when we finally get overwhelmed after killing you repeatedly makes you look bad, not us.

It’s kind of like the guys from DR and IoJ that corpse jump me after they kill me with many numbers. Like the commander from IoJ who corpse jumped me with half his zerg after they zerged me, only then to lose the keep straight within 10 minutes due to their own incompetence. Or when an IoJ thief killed me in an enemy tower with npcs on me and then corpse jumped me, only to run away from me the only time I have ever found him solo. Or like just tonight when two thieves jumped me, I downed one as I got downed, the other finished me off, and when the second one rallied, he corpse jumped me.

It’s almost always thieves, go figure. Happy to say that out of all the people who have corpse jumped me in this match-up I have successfully corpse-jumped back (multiple times) except 1. I’m looking for you, Charr thief.

It’s a game. People are morons. It’s time to move on and get over it.

Anyway although I’ve never been a part of a zerg that has done that, I’m willing to bet large amounts of $$$ the reason they did it to your group is because they read this forum.

In fact, I’m almost certain that’s why they did it

Robin Hood.3850:

Most of you who post here should really read your posts before you submit them, maybe then you would see how actually pathetic you all sound. Its literally a kitten showing contest in this forum and it just makes me sad.

For those of you who actually post decent things, I salute you and tell you that your posts making reading through the rest of this crap even remotely bearable.

Seriously, enough with the “my party of 5 wiped a zerg of 20+” and the “We only had 3 defenders at X location and you couldn’t get in with 20+” It just makes you all sound like you have nothing better to do with your lives than brag about a video game. So please, enough with the kitten game, I for one am really sick of it and I’m sure many others are.

That being said, we had some really fun times today in WvW against DR and IOJ. More skirmishes than I have had in a while and some nice tactics by both sides.

Yeah, <> forbid someone actually talks about the match up or something that happened in WvW. I was giving my side of the story, you really don’t have to be so upset about it.

Amurond.4590:

Anyway although I’ve never been a part of a zerg that has done that, I’m willing to bet large amounts of $$$ the reason they did it to your group is because they read this forum.

In fact, I’m almost certain that’s why they did it

Honestly if some forum posts can make SBI leave their keeps for once to come fight I would just be happy.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Honestly if some forum posts can make SBI leave their keeps for once to come fight I would just be happy.

I was talking about the zerging then /laugh and whatever else they did.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

You should have seen yesterday at Bluebriar. 10 of us trapped inside the tower after SBI closed the gate behind us vs ~20 SBI.

We were badly outnumbered and forced to fight at the bottom of the tower while the SBI zerg sat near Lord’s room with 2-3 arrow carts, constantly AoEing the only way for us to get up there.

It only took us about 5min to wipe you guys and cap the tower. It was an insanely epic battle though and probably the most fun I have had in WvW for a looong time. I was about to make a post thanking whoever from SBI participated, but now that I saw your arrogant post I decided against it.

I’m not sure if this was the Bluebriar fight I was the SBI commander for or not, but in any case it sounds like a similar situation. I don’t think my group closed the door, but I could have missed it. My commander character is a female white tiger charr in banded mail.

It was a fight against BSty and I faced them and two other DR groups in SBI BL for most of the time I had my tag up that night, and they were consistently a thorn in our side while the other larger DR groups gave us trouble all over the map. The Bluebriar fight was BSty plus a handful of a second guild whose tag currently escapes me.

To BSty, congrats on the victories you had—while your estimates of our numbers are often grossly exaggerated, you are correct in that in many cases there was an imbalance in numbers and I have on multiple occasions found myself repeating in team chat not to charge into the BSty group recklessly. There were also many occasions when I would show up at a camp wondering where half of my zerg had gone only to find that you’d been picking off my completely silent followers that had lagged behind.

As it turns out, it is very difficult to coordinate a pug zerg in text chat to the same degree as an organized guild in voice chat. The fight I was in at Bluebriar was only a slight numbers advantage in our favor that dwindled quickly as SBI pugs continued to ignore directions to stay together—and alive. I can tell by BSty’s tactics that you understand the real key to the numbers game—it’s not how many people you have on a map but how many people you have in each fight. Drawing the pugs out to pick them off at the edges in small groups before you actually commit will hopefully teach them a lesson which I cannot.

So, props to you [BSty]. I hope to see you again, fighting you is a challenge and really keeps me on my toes when I tag up. I only hope that SBI’s pug WvWers continue to learn from your finishers so they’ll start following more closely. It will make all of the fights when it is we who are outnumbered (which happen frequently on my watch, including when your guild is active) much easier.

To SBI, but also to other groups: who’s under the tag you follow may matter some, but the much more important factor is how closely you follow. Stay together, stay alive, and see you on the field again tomorrow!

Orion.3812:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

You should have seen yesterday at Bluebriar. 10 of us trapped inside the tower after SBI closed the gate behind us vs ~20 SBI.

We were badly outnumbered and forced to fight at the bottom of the tower while the SBI zerg sat near Lord’s room with 2-3 arrow carts, constantly AoEing the only way for us to get up there.

It only took us about 5min to wipe you guys and cap the tower. It was an insanely epic battle though and probably the most fun I have had in WvW for a looong time. I was about to make a post thanking whoever from SBI participated, but now that I saw your arrogant post I decided against it.

I’m not sure if this was the Bluebriar fight I was the SBI commander for or not, but in any case it sounds like a similar situation. I don’t think my group closed the door, but I could have missed it. My commander character is a female white tiger charr in banded mail.

It was a fight against BSty and I faced them and two other DR groups in SBI BL for most of the time I had my tag up that night, and they were consistently a thorn in our side while the other larger DR groups gave us trouble all over the map. The Bluebriar fight was BSty plus a handful of a second guild whose tag currently escapes me.

To BSty, congrats on the victories you had—while your estimates of our numbers are often grossly exaggerated, you are correct in that in many cases there was an imbalance in numbers and I have on multiple occasions found myself repeating in team chat not to charge into the BSty group recklessly. There were also many occasions when I would show up at a camp wondering where half of my zerg had gone only to find that you’d been picking off my completely silent followers that had lagged behind.

As it turns out, it is very difficult to coordinate a pug zerg in text chat to the same degree as an organized guild in voice chat. The fight I was in at Bluebriar was only a slight numbers advantage in our favor that dwindled quickly as SBI pugs continued to ignore directions to stay together—and alive. I can tell by BSty’s tactics that you understand the real key to the numbers game—it’s not how many people you have on a map but how many people you have in each fight. Drawing the pugs out to pick them off at the edges in small groups before you actually commit will hopefully teach them a lesson which I cannot.

So, props to you [BSty]. I hope to see you again, fighting you is a challenge and really keeps me on my toes when I tag up. I only hope that SBI’s pug WvWers continue to learn from your finishers so they’ll start following more closely. It will make all of the fights when it is we who are outnumbered (which happen frequently on my watch, including when your guild is active) much easier.

To SBI, but also to other groups: who’s under the tag you follow may matter some, but the much more important factor is how closely you follow. Stay together, stay alive, and see you on the field again tomorrow!

I’m not sure if it was the same fight. I know BSty rammed the gate down, but I do not recall seeing them inside the tower. I think the SBI group came in and wiped them from behind, moving up the tower. After that our group followed them into the tower, leading to that epic battle. The gate was closed but a DR player came in and used the ram to get it down again.

And yes, please do take my number estimations however you like them. I judge them by the amount of damage and red circles I see, lol. When there is a ton of red names bunched together ikitten×5 area like in that tower, it’s really impossible to tell with culling and what not.

This thread is terrible, and it makes me really sad.

I don’t think posts showing +600 PPT are necessarily in good taste, but at some level it is meaningful to have score updates. I have a few friends who can’t visit the millenium site at work because it’s blocked, but for whatever reason can visit the GW2 forums. So long as PPT updates aren’t rife with bragging or snide suggestions for the opponents, they should be acceptable. Likewise, I think saying things that allude to how poorly your opponents played when you beat them 10 vs 20 are also said in poor taste. It doesn’t help anyone when your opponent brags about something, all you should do is thank people for the fights, and move on. Yesterday and the day before reading this thread I was quite frustrated and nearly posted some stupid things here myself in response to some stupid things said by other people.

Some things people need to realize:
- That some people cheat on all servers and abuse exploits does not make every member of that server a cheater. Report the exploiters and be done with it; we don’t want them on our server any more than you want them on yours.
- You should not post anything that suggests your opponent is bad. This is a highly competitive game form and people are very proud, so don’t ruin the atmosphere of these threads by prodding them.
- Retorting in kind to someone who prods you in these threads makes you no better than they are. Report the post and move on.

Anyway, really, let’s just get back on the field and off of the forums. I typically only post in these threads to thank the opponents for the matches, but these past few threads have been particularly grueling. I don’t think anyone here genuinely wants these threads to be this bad, and I’d like for us (SBI) to leave this match-up with at least the respect of the opposing servers.

Amurond.4590:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Honestly if some forum posts can make SBI leave their keeps for once to come fight I would just be happy.

I was talking about the zerging then /laugh and whatever else they did.

Hey Amurond, just a word of advice for what it’s worth. While there are some really interesting, fun and even educational exchanges going on in these threads (I have even changed my mind about Oozo and am enjoying his input) But there are some here who are just playing us with insulting posts poorly disguised as neutral narrative of a battle in which they claim their awesomeness and our ineptness. Then try to turn it on you if you take the bait like you are the one being rude by objecting to being insulted. I have just decided to ignore certain posters.

It says a lot about our server that most of our posts have been respectfully and complementary to both of the other servers in this match up. When if anybody has the right to chest thump we do, since we have been winning big regardless of the reasons why. But for the most part we have not engaged in chest thumping, nor should we.

Yesterday there was some good fights in IoJ’s SE Tower. SBI was trebbing from hills and the walls were down for about an hour and the fights there were awesome. After their 5th attempt, they finally got a good portal bomb in and took the tower. There were about 6 of us AD in there and the rest were randoms. But as I lie there in the downed state, all I see is a bunch of Kiwi laughing at me using banish to knock me around, /dance and all. Then, they proceed to spawn camp, most of the randoms zoned out so there was no reason to go around the side and try to flank 30 people. With only 4 AD of us left and 1 BSty, we try to give them a good fight at the front, and whenever one of us went down, they would spam laugh/jump/dance.

I normally bow after a good fight but this was just sad. I know all of SBI aren’t spawn campers but seriously this just makes your server look bad. That’s the only guild I’ve seen do it constantly.

Creepy Silent.9801:

I know all of SBI aren’t spawn campers but seriously this just makes your server look bad. That’s the only guild I’ve seen do it constantly.

I heard a few people talking about this yesterday in EB as well. I also got to see it first hand earlier in the match. I’m looking forward to SBI moving up. I think Ebay was a far classier realm.

Not all of SBI are like this and if true Kiwi should come on and apologize for this behavior. What you must understand is that the posts from AD last night, during this fight were inflammatory and not needed, so you got a reaction. Not the best reaction but you all are playing a part. Being gracious in victory goes both ways and you all have been far less then gracious in this thread.

I got involved in the BS last night and I am sorry but enough is enough. Its a game and I would rather enjoy it then waste any more time this thread.

Gravy.7589:

Not all of SBI are like this and if true Kiwi should come on and apologize for this behavior. What you must understand is that the posts from AD last night, during this fight were inflammatory and not needed, so you got a reaction. Not the best reaction but you all are playing a part. Being gracious in victory goes both ways and you all have been far less then gracious in this thread.

I got involved in the BS last night and I am sorry but enough is enough. Its a game and I would rather enjoy it then waste any more time this thread.

If you look at Dynnen’s complaint and my last one it is just targetted to one guild not all of SBI. Creepy should have said that it makes that one guild look bad not all of SBI.

Also, don’t think that last night is the first time this kind of thing has happened. Nobody else from SBI does this kind of thing.

Gravy.7589:

Not all of SBI are like this and if true Kiwi should come on and apologize for this behavior. What you must understand is that the posts from AD last night, during this fight were inflammatory and not needed, so you got a reaction. Not the best reaction but you all are playing a part. Being gracious in victory goes both ways and you all have been far less then gracious in this thread.

I got involved in the BS last night and I am sorry but enough is enough. Its a game and I would rather enjoy it then waste any more time this thread.

Once again Gravy speaks the truth. I don’t really need to add anything to that……but can’t help myself.

You can not paint a whole guild or server with the broad brush of the actions of a few. We did not for example blame all of the guild much less all of the server over the exploits we have seen going on.

No one can control every player. And as humans we all make mistakes too. I made the mistake a few times like Gravy getting into some trash talking. A good rivalry actually makes it more fun and interesting. But personal insults and attacks don’t . I apologize for any of that I may have done.

I don’t apologize for standing up for myself or the server in refuting false statements and objecting to insults however.

I have never liked spawn camping from either side of it. There are 3 exits though…so you just about have to contribute to it by always choosing to encounter the campers at the main exit. Unless they have enough numbers to camp all three….which i have never seen.

I don’t think the complaint was necessarily about spawn-camping but instead piling on when some people were just looking for some decent fights. I’m thinking it would have been around 3 AM EST by then. No one was looking to go out and take camps or towers. They just wanted some fights and that is where everyone was.

I know that when DR was beating people badly on score due to population and coverage we’d give 1v1s and small scale fights to the enemy players near their spawn from time to time and not pile on. I’m pretty sure that it what he is referring to and not complaining that he couldn’t “get out.”

When we are running, we leave via the side passages 80% of the time anyway to have quick access to supply.

Krash.9486:

You can not paint a whole guild or server with the broad brush of the actions of a few. We did not for example blame all of the guild much less all of the server over the exploits we have seen going on.

Personally, I’m not entirely sure we would care if you painted us as cheats, if you are referring to the [RED] situation that unfolded this week. I don’t personally know anyone from red outside of normal come and go interactions. I do know that [RED] doesn’t stand for BS like cheats within it’s ranks. any offenders would find them selves guildless, and there is a pretty good chance that other guilds would have been made aware of it and a black list would eventually follow someone around if they were habitual trouble makers.

no less than 3 counts of SBI camping spawn points in a matter of 5 or 6 days makes the server simply reek. kiwi or not, there are others there as well. Perhaps it was even you who justified your involvement with the phrase, “enough is enough”

imo, “enough is enough” is just an excuse to misbehave and a weak kitten reason to support it. When I read the drivel that last few pages have offered I read about a server with greater numbers and time coverage getting mad because a small man team keeps reminding you that you can’t hang 1:1

enough is enough! let’s show them we can fight them 1:1. Everyone grab a friend and lets go camp their spawn.

I’ll gladly lose to Ebay and Maguuma’s numbers over whatever it’s been, that’s been fighting us for the past 3 weeks. not sure why the word puss comes to mind. Puss, as in pimple filler.

Respect of the other servers nah You’ll get non specially since ya resorted to doing what ya did today to take our map from us because we was whooping you without really trying all that hard even with your superior numbers.

Oozo.7856:

I don’t think the complaint was necessarily about spawn-camping but instead piling on when some people were just looking for some decent fights. I’m thinking it would have been around 3 AM EST by then. No one was looking to go out and take camps or towers. They just wanted some fights and that is where everyone was.

I know that when DR was beating people badly on score due to population and coverage we’d give 1v1s and small scale fights to the enemy players near their spawn from time to time and not pile on. I’m pretty sure that it what he is referring to and not complaining that he couldn’t “get out.”

When we are running, we leave via the side passages 80% of the time anyway to have quick access to supply.

I don’t know any way to control that and force people to allow 1v1. when I came out to fight club my 1v1 was disrupted by a group of DR that was passing by and decided to gank me. They didn’t know what was going on, and I didn’t get mad about it.

More fight club for more 1v1 action would be a good thing for all servers at this point I think.

Lets try to make that happen. I had a little 2v1 with a thief by the name of Johe. ?(or something like that) He joined our party and we talked some. The random I was partied with didn’t like it much. But as most people are he was a nice guy (having chose to be on another server does not make one evil!) and a very good thief. I would love to try to 1v1 him again in a controlled environment just him and me. I have no doubt I will lose most of the time but it is the only way to learn and get better.

So…..fight club?

Guys, they’re just trolling you.

I’ve got an idea: Whenever you get spawn-camped, sneak over to SBI’s spawn in your BLs and set up a kittenton of anti-infantry siege. Stalk those who get through, and portal-bomb the kitten out of them. Get them to chase you into a waiting hail of ballista bolts.
this is war, ya hear?! yer fightin’ fer the very life o’ yer world, fer the power o’ the mists will give ye that edge ye need to o’ercome the elder dragons! it ain’t pretty that ye gotta leave the other worlds to suffer, but it’s gotta be done!
never give up, never surrender! to victory or death!

(Okay, I don’t know what the point of the mist war is, but that seems to make sense.)

Current Next Week Match Ups:
T4: Magguma vs. Stormbluff Isle vs. Crystal Desert
T5: Ehmry Bay vs. Devona’s Rest vs. Borlis Pass
T6: Isle of Janthir vs. Anvil Rock vs. Darkhaven

Well have fun getting your kitten pushed in by maguuma SBI. Just like we’ll be taking your spot as king dingaling of t5 and IoJ will move to big Hoss of T6.

now that the scores are settled we can all quit zerging

thanks in advance~~

Dr Acula.3496:

Well have fun getting your kitten pushed in by maguuma SBI. Just like we’ll be taking your spot as king dingaling of t5 and IoJ will move to big Hoss of T6.

Haven’t fought SBI so I only wish them good luck~! If our server’s general WvW malaise continues we might get more than a week in t4. Mag fairweathers come out in force when we’re close or winning, though.

The fight in the SW camp of SBI borderlands a few minutes ago was rather fun. Started out as myself holding against three SBI, followed by a random mesmer from my side joining in, then the numbers only increased as time went on. Alas, the camp was taken but at least I had some decent fights out there, and there was a lovely guardian who took the time to bow.