Are you kidding me and I’m talking about both traps, arrow carts made life hard for smaller groups imagine a group with little supply walking through a 1hr trap do you think what you implement anymore?!
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Added a new vendor: “Traps and Tricks Outfitter.”
Traps have been added as a new purchasable consumable utility item. Two unique variants are available.
When placed, traps last for one hour.
Players may only have one of a given trap type deployed at a time.
Traps will disappear when a player leaves the map.
Traps are sold by the vendor for 15 badges and 525 karma; they will stack to 250 and are account-bound.
It takes a 4-second channel to place at feet.
Placing a trap uses very short-range ground targeting to assist in orientation.
Placed traps have a 600×90 rectangular trigger area; only enemies can trigger them.
Once triggered, traps affect up to 20 enemies within a range of 1200.
Traps cost 10 supply to place.
Supply Removal Trap
Removes 5 supply from enemies affected by the trap.
Stealth Disruptor Trap
Removes stealth from enemies and reveals them for 30 seconds, preventing stealth.
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Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.
There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.
So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.
So where’s the traps that prevent 30 seconds of illusion spawn on mesmers, 30 seconds of zero adrenaline on warriors, 30 seconds of ranger pets disabled, 30 seconds of ele stuck in a single attunement!
1200 range 20 targets 30 sec reveal is a bit overkill in my book >_>
A random ally could trigger it and you still get struck by it ^^ all you can do now is run an evade build or port back and wait 30 sec, sounds fun ^^
I mean -5 supply from 20 people in a zerg, that’s potentially -100 supply gone like that…
Mmmmhm. Have a Thief, Ranger or Elementalist (‘cause they’re the fastest) run ahead and place one down on a road on the way to a keep. That’ll teach ’em! Haha. xD
Edit: Warriors may work, also. They have lots of Swiftness! Maybe a Guardian, too?
Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.
There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.
So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.
We now have virtually no condition removal around those traps. 1 reliable source that removes 1, 1 that is our heal which only removes specific conditions, 1 utility that is meant to be used as a teleport, and 1 on an underwhelming weapon that costs 5/12 initiative to remove 1 condition. So much for trying to allow a variety of builds. If you don’t have condition removal in WvW, you’re dead, especially with thief’s low HP pool.
Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.
There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.
So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.
All I’m saying as a thief, Is have fun with that 4s cast to place the trap! This won’t help you with the roaming thieves. This trap is going to be great, Imo its going to weed out more of the thief band wagoners.
The anti-stealth trap is for mesmer strips during zerging, not individual thieves. At a cost of all yer supply and 4 seconds of channeling, thieves are not going to be hit as hard as everyone thinks. The only use I can see for this against thieves would be maybe putting a couple in a camp to prevent a thief from soloing it. But eventually all that unused karma will run out and the traps will be used more selectively.
Now if ONLY they could give some of the classes a skill or trait that allows them to break stealth, Arkanfel. Then we’ll really be cooking.
I’m a firm believer that if you are going to include stealth in a game, that you HAVE to have some kind of reveal ability too. Developers (in a lot of MMOs, not just GW2) are trying to get way too cute with the stuff you can do in stealth and the limitations of its utility.
Personally I think thief/rogue classes should have more evade/dodge/block/parry abilities and less outright “hurr I go invis nao” crap. Thieves are sneaky and quick, but only in MMOs can they go completely invisible. Paper dice game builders seemed to realize this, game developers either don’t or choose to ignore the principle.
Good for thief vs thief duels. First one to stealth and drop a trap wins.
What would be cool now is if they allowed Rangers and Thieves to see traps so they could disarm them like any sensible game would have done to begin with.
Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.
There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.
So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.
All I’m saying as a thief, Is have fun with that 4s cast to place the trap! This won’t help you with the roaming thieves. This trap is going to be great, Imo its going to weed out more of the thief band wagoners.
Presumably, yeah, anyone who tries to use one after being engaged by a thief will drop faster than Bill Clinton’s drawers on “meet the interns” night. But they’ll still be useful for ambushes and the like. I can see havoc teams having a lot of fun with them, and it might even help counter the ridiculous phenomenon of gate-tapping.
Maybe I misread the release notes. I thought they costed the 15 badges and the 525 karma. Is it actually one or the other? If so, I’m buying stacks with karma as soon as I get off work!
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Maybe I misread the release notes. I thought they costed the 15 badges and the 525 karma. Is it actually one or the other? If so, I’m buying stacks with karma as soon as I get off work!
I was thinking exactly this, the patchnote isn’t very clear as to whether it requires one of them or both
Maybe I misread the release notes. I thought they costed the 15 badges and the 525 karma. Is it actually one or the other? If so, I’m buying stacks with karma as soon as I get off work!
I was thinking exactly this, the patchnote isn’t very clear as to whether it requires one of them or both
So where’s the traps that prevent 30 seconds of illusion spawn on mesmers, 30 seconds of zero adrenaline on warriors, 30 seconds of ranger pets disabled, 30 seconds of ele stuck in a single attunement!
1200 range 20 targets 30 sec reveal is a bit overkill in my book >_>
A random ally could trigger it and you still get struck by it ^^ all you can do now is run an evade build or port back and wait 30 sec, sounds fun ^^
The 4 second channel kind of annoys me. Can it be interrupted? Throwing these things down all over a small scale battle will completely kitten with small man teams.
Playing against a thief? Just throw a trap down on anyone who goes down. Shadow Refuge and Mass Invisibility is suddenly useless, and you have removed another advantage organized teams have.
Maybe I misread the release notes. I thought they costed the 15 badges and the 525 karma. Is it actually one or the other? If so, I’m buying stacks with karma as soon as I get off work!
Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.
There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.
So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.
We now have virtually no condition removal around those traps. 1 reliable source that removes 1, 1 that is our heal which only removes specific conditions, 1 utility that is meant to be used as a teleport, and 1 on an underwhelming weapon that costs 5/12 initiative to remove 1 condition. So much for trying to allow a variety of builds. If you don’t have condition removal in WvW, you’re dead, especially with thief’s low HP pool.
Meh, that’s a bad argument to try and make your point. Getting a 30s revealed you’re dead is more on point. CD removal is just one thing, there is healing, int regain, blind…(traited of course ) The trap is to make thieves have to pick there battles better. Were not going to be able to just do anything we want, which is fine.
The only thing I might disagree with because of the tra kitten olo taking a camp. If I get a 30s revealed it will effectively reduce my damage making taking a camp much slower. Then again who knows, haven’t seen it in action yet. Either way, good luck non thieves! Hope this trap helps you save some tears for other classes.
Do pets (Ranger pets, Necro minions, etc) trigger the traps? My pet usually runs ahead of me, so…
Lol pets triggering traps? that will probably make them a ton more useful now in WvW, Ranger job = minesweeper or even trapsweeper. What i’m concerned about is dropping a tonne infront of gates so that you will see all your supply gone before building a ram.
Maybe I misread the release notes. I thought they costed the 15 badges and the 525 karma. Is it actually one or the other? If so, I’m buying stacks with karma as soon as I get off work!
That’s how I read it too…
They cost 15 BoH + 525 karma…
It’s definitely and? Not or? Are you in-game now? :o
If so, meh. Whatever, I don’t use badges for anything anyway. I’ve been collecting them. Might as well put ’em to use!
I honestly think this is more about veil bombs then theives a person can only place one of each are they really gonna waste it on.a lone theif not to mention how small they actually are
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Now if ONLY they could give some of the classes a skill or trait that allows them to break stealth, Arkanfel. Then we’ll really be cooking.
I’m a firm believer that if you are going to include stealth in a game, that you HAVE to have some kind of reveal ability too. Developers (in a lot of MMOs, not just GW2) are trying to get way too cute with the stuff you can do in stealth and the limitations of its utility.
Personally I think thief/rogue classes should have more evade/dodge/block/parry abilities and less outright “hurr I go invis nao” crap. Thieves are sneaky and quick, but only in MMOs can they go completely invisible. Paper dice game builders seemed to realize this, game developers either don’t or choose to ignore the principle.
But in a game where you have a radar and a targeting computer, you can’t sneak around if you aren’t invisible.
Lol pets triggering traps? that will probably make them a ton more useful now in WvW, Ranger job = minesweeper or even trapsweeper. What i’m concerned about is dropping a tonne infront of gates so that you will see all your supply gone before building a ram.
Personally I think thief/rogue classes should have more evade/dodge/block/parry abilities and less outright “hurr I go invis nao” crap. Thieves are sneaky and quick, but only in MMOs can they go completely invisible. Paper dice game builders seemed to realize this, game developers either don’t or choose to ignore the principle.
Indeed, we always hear the L2P anytime you talk about changing stealth, and how everyone else has no skill, but being invisible does not require skill, if the class had far more dodge and abilities to get out of the way of dmg that required skill it would be something, they still have the ability to not take dmg, but it then would require skill to do it. And not just going “poof”, throw in someone with even the least bit of skill and it becomes laughable.
I also don’t think this will hit thieves at all really, I mean, most solo/roam, who is going to stand still for 4s in a fight with the thief in the middle of a field to place a trap? I think the point of this is to limit the cloaking of zergs and stealth/portal bomb etc which would affect mesmers more than anything.
As someone who thinks there’s too much stealth in the game, I can safely say that trap is ridiculously overkill. It should be maybe 10 seconds at most.
Regarding Ranger pets triggering the traps, I’m gonna assume you don’t trigger a trap unless you are in a condition to trigger it, i.e., in stealth or carrying supplies. Otherwise the reveal trap would hardly seem worth it and would constantly be getting tripped by people not in stealth and wasted.
The supply-stripping trap should make for some more lengthy sieges, especially at the keeps, where you have to break through outer and inner gates/walls. I can see the traps really kittening up a zerg’s plans. Will be interesting to learn if you can place traps while in stealth.
The only change here in sieging keeps and the like is that one player will run ahead to trigger all traps before the zerg comes in.
I will also chime in that like I mentioned before, if it’s 15 badges and 525 karma, you bet your britches I’m not buying any of them. I’d rather have catapults, ACs, and other siege equipment for my badges than traps.
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