Guild Wars 2

Introducing Traps in World vs. World
“Traps are fiendish items that can be purchased from the new Traps and Tricks Outfitters on each WvW map. We’re starting with anti-stealth fields and traps that remove supply from enemy players, but in the months ahead we’ll introduce even more ways to spread mayhem in the Mists!”

Get More Out of WvW
“We’re improving the way we award World XP to World vs. World players! Now you’ll gain rewards for a much wider range of activities in the Mists – everything from destroying siege weapons, repairing walls, escort missions, and more.”

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/may-14-2013/#new-features-5

What do you guys think?

Excellent!

It addresses all the problem we have with WvW.

Oh lordie, i can just see all those traps being a veritable minefield now. Well one thing is it can prevent those pesky portal bombs (lay enough anti-stealth ones and you can just bomb the mesmer). Though hope they cannot be thrown, that might cause some panic for people on walls trying to build siege/or those below trying to build.

These traps sure sounds interesting.

Grok.6714:

Excellent!

It addresses all the problem we have with WvW.

/sarcasm

Fixed for you, just in case somebody could misunderstand.

;)

I’m pretty skeptical of the anti-stealth fields, let’s just hope they are more like siege equipment rather than bundle items that any other player can just set up.

Hopefully these “stealth revealing fields” don’t actually pull people out of stealth, are relatively short ranged, and cost a pretty penny.

Otherwise, if they have a large range, cheap, and pull thieves out of stealth, then this is a pretty good GG we just put thieves in line with engineers and rangers.

Now we’ll have 3 broken classes!

We’ll see how this is implemented.

Introducing Traps in World vs. World
“Traps are fiendish items that can be purchased from the new Traps and Tricks Outfitters on each WvW map. We’re starting with anti-stealth fields and traps that remove supply from enemy players, but in the months ahead we’ll introduce even more ways to spread mayhem in the Mists!”

I just,..don’t know what I can say bout this,..I am speechless.

Great! More gold sinks in WvW with no increased monetary rewards! Just what we needed!

I’m getting the feeling that they are trying to kitten us off

Traps = yet another way to remove actual gameplay skill from the game.

At least they gave us some kind of warning this time.

AndrewSX.3794:

Grok.6714:

Excellent!

It addresses all the problem we have with WvW.

/sarcasm

Fixed for you, just in case somebody could misunderstand.

;)

Thanks for fixing!

Personally, I’m liking the new features. They sound pretty fun.

Woah…a trap that can potentially remove a profession mechanic altogether. It’s like if a trap could remove warrior’s adrenaline or guardians’s virtues.

I won’t be happy until I can ride on a Dolyak.

Not sure why they couldn’t just incorporate these into the existing professions to make the game more interesting.

Traps go on rangers.
Repairing (or improving?) siege goes on engineers.
The list goes on…

Right now the only profession that has completely game changing skills is the mesmer (portal, veil). It gives the mesmer flavor and a unique role in WvW. I would love for the other professions to have some kind of similar appeal.

Ok now I’m starting to get really anoyed… these arrowcarts was implemented by a no brainer and now you want to add traps revealing invis and steal suplies? Are you nuts?!

I feel like I’m getting trolled right now…

Anet, thanks for warning us about this before you actually implemented it. Now we can tell you to get it out of the patch, NOW. We need more ways for people to play the actual game with the character they spend time and energy on to level and gear.

There is no need for these little gimmicks and toys.

Wotah.2975:

AndrewSX.3794:

Grok.6714:

Excellent!

It addresses all the problem we have with WvW.

/sarcasm

Fixed for you, just in case somebody could misunderstand.

;)

Thanks for fixing!

You’re welcome!

Causic.3798:

“Now you’ll gain rewards for a much wider range of activities in the Mists – everything from destroying siege weapons, repairing walls, escort missions, and more.”

What do you guys think?

I think someone should tell whoever wrote this that those changes were added into the game in the last update lol.

traps look neat, very intrigued.

Traps… really…

I appreciate that someone may have thought this a good idea but really… fixing the core mechanic behind WvW first may be a tad more important, especially since so many guilds arent really “feeling it” right now.

please anet, do not do this!
as we all know, it is very unlikely that you will manage it to make those traps well balanced

more important is the problem with lags
it feels like you reduced server capacity by 50% since the last patch…

Traps that remove supply from players sound like meta-game-breaking lunacy. Another “What possessed you to think this was a good idea?” decision from ANet.

SMH.

I’m okay with the anti-stealth trap, but only for a few choke points, like at the west and east gate entrances at north camp (BL), at the hole that has been opened at a keep or tower, and those very few points where it would be handy to have. Otherwise, the anti-stealth trap is useless…which makes me wish they could have just given it as a trait to Rangers so we could be anti-thief units.

Please Anet, tell me when Nuclear Explosives will be available to kill the entire map!

Traps, more kitten people didn’t ask for or want that becomes a balancing nightmare that no one wanted or cared about in the first place.

PLEASE stop adding useless crap to WvW that just makes it even more unbalanced. Thanks.

The EB jump puzzle thing makes me happy though. Less PvE only’s taking up an EB slot.

Ironcloud.3892:

I’m pretty skeptical of the anti-stealth fields, let’s just hope they are more like siege equipment rather than bundle items that any other player can just set up.

My sentiment exactly. As a Thief, this would definitely wreck my day being pulled out of stealth and put on 4s reveal mid battle.

well lets hope there is some way to counter these traps, if not, then its gamebreaking, if there is a counter, well nothing will really change as only braindeads will run into the no-suppy-traps

Odds are they’re either a one-use thing, or they’ve got a countdown to their disappearing like with most siege.

On topic:
Traps sounds interesting BUT not in the shape they’ve hinting (like another blueprint → build siege), it’s open to waaaaay too much manipulation.
Also, stealing supplies? After making sieges such a huge hassle? Now you have to biuld 2 trebs or multiple catas to take down a single tower if defenders are competent enough, which means tons of supplies… and now you make those harder to get in use? Meh.

Imo, traps could work more like a structure upgrade – you order it, who order it can place the trap in a 1500 – 2500 (numbers are just as example) range of the said structure, workers builds it. This way they’re much easier to balance (you can put limits in numbers and placement) and you’re giving extra reasons to upgrade your structures, with some more defences that are more useful that a oil/cannon getting ganked in 10 sec as soon as a zerg shows up.

(all assuming that traps are atm treated as siege. which might not be.)

AidanTaylor.3872:

We can however officially let you know we are moving the jumping puzzle for EB into it’s own map, as this has been a much requested feature for our beloved siege fairing community.

Well, this is cool.

(why stop to EB tho?)

AidanTaylor.3872:

Hey folks,

It seems we inadvertently outed (some of) our plans for WvW with the above linked page. While we are looking to extend World XP changes for WvW in a later content patch, it still needs some tweaking and therefore isn’t ready to be introduced in this one.

We can however officially let you know we are moving the jumping puzzle for EB into it’s own map, as this has been a much requested feature for our beloved siege fairing community.

Apologies for the hicup

This better be some kind of troll. Traps, srsly guys?

EDIT: shouldn’t be ungrateful. Thank you for moving the jp finally, thank you.

Ariames.5108:

Please Anet, tell me when Nuclear Explosives will be available to kill the entire map!

800 gems in the gem store. For only $10 you can wipe out anything you please!

AidanTaylor.3872:

We can however officially let you know we are moving the jumping puzzle for EB into it’s own map, as this has been a much requested feature for our beloved siege fairing community.

OMG YES YES YES! LET ME KISS YOU ON THE FOREHEAD. MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

No longer will I have to agonize over a guild locking down our server’s WvW for hours to jump PvErs through the JP…

Shadowskill.9852:

Ironcloud.3892:

I’m pretty skeptical of the anti-stealth fields, let’s just hope they are more like siege equipment rather than bundle items that any other player can just set up.

My sentiment exactly. As a Thief, this would definitely wreck my day being pulled out of stealth and put on 4s reveal mid battle.

Revealed is 3 seconds now

AidanTaylor.3872:

beloved siege fairing community.

Dat troll…

AidanTaylor.3872:

Hey folks,

It seems we inadvertently outed (some of) our plans for WvW with the above linked page. While we are looking to extend World XP changes for WvW in a later content patch, it still needs some tweaking and therefore isn’t ready to be introduced in this one.

We can however officially let you know we are moving the jumping puzzle for EB into it’s own map, as this has been a much requested feature for our beloved siege fairing community.

Apologies for the hicup

Ok thanks for info. About traps tho I guess this was just a random idea right? not going to implement it right? you wont destroy this awesome WvWvW experience before implementing the +80% dmg on ac right?

Nice thing about a unique EB jp.

hahahahahaha

Traps… it is a trap!

Im predicting an Arrowcart Backpack that you can purchase next from the gem store. When you wear it, it changes your skill bar to arrowcart skills.

But seriously, really anet? REALLY? TRAPS??

/rage

Traps have potential and if implemented properly can be a very cool addition to WvW. However, it sounds like its going to be another Defensive tool. And right now Defense is running away, cackling madly and insanely, screaming “just try and get in!”.

Really, the defensive aspect in WvW doesnt need another tool or buff. So i do dearly hope that one of those other things that hasnt been outed yet is a a means to more easily attack a tower/keep. And mitigate the crazy Arrowcart spam at the moment.

Kebab.4013:

hahahahahaha

Traps… it is a trap!

Time for new meme’s!

We have been a bit bored lately afterall.

Ophidian.9043:

Kebab.4013:

hahahahahaha

Traps… it is a trap!

Time for new meme’s!

We have been a bit bored lately afterall.

On it like a car bonnet! VoTFMEME Squad is a go!

I think you guys need to test it out before judging it. They can always make changes. I’m pretty neutral on it, I don’t see it causing issues but we’ll see.

Traps sound interesting, it’s a way to make gameplay more versatile.
Just a note of warning: being able to put supply removing traps in front of gates = BAD IDEA, that’s just OP.

Terrahero.9358:

Traps have potential and if implemented properly can be a very cool addition to WvW. However, it sounds like its going to be another Defensive tool. And right now Defense is running away, cackling madly and insanely, screaming “just try and get in!”.

Really, the defensive aspect in WvW doesnt need another tool or buff. So i do dearly hope that one of those other things that hasnt been outed yet is a a means to more easily attack a tower/keep. And mitigate the crazy Arrowcart spam at the moment.

It’s a gimmick, it’s just one more reason not for us to play the actual game with our characters.

Traps sound fun. One thing that was definitely missing from WvW is a feeling of a diversity to what’s going on. Things are very predictable especially with the game having relatively locked skillsets. I like the notion of this new store type.

This is obligitory

Vol.5241:

I think you guys need to test it out before judging it. They can always make changes. I’m pretty neutral on it, I don’t see it causing issues but we’ll see.

just like the arrowcarts? yeah right bro, tell me more.

Caliban.3176:

It’s a gimmick, it’s just one more reason not for us to play the actual game with our characters.

While i agree on the feeling, it’s all down to how they’re treated.

If they’re like another siege, place build site and trow supply at it, then it’s just kitten and potentially gamebreaking.

If they’re placed as structure upgrades, limited in placement and number, built by workers and with some counters for enemy, than it might turn in another interesting tactical layer, plus encouraging upgrading stuff.

We’ll see.

AidanTaylor.3872:

Hey folks,

It seems we inadvertently outed (some of) our plans for WvW with the above linked page. While we are looking to extend World XP changes for WvW in a later content patch, it still needs some tweaking and therefore isn’t ready to be introduced in this one.

We can however officially let you know we are moving the jumping puzzle for EB into it’s own map, as this has been a much requested feature for our beloved siege fairing community.

Excellent that the jumping puzzle will be removed from EB! It is really not fun to fight with just 10 guys vs enemy of 30 and not even having the outmanned buff when 20 of your players are in JP.

I am not sure if the traps are gonna work or not. Depends what will be their cost, area and duration. I guess they are one shot, fires once, which would mean they wouldn’t be used that often.

Despite these traps I think 4 —> 3 s. revert to revealaed was a bad decision. So many thieves in WvWvW, getting just crazy and as it has been previously discussed in these forums (no need to repeat that in detail): having high burst profession who can stay invisible half of fight and teleport is NOT going to lure in new players to WvWvW. No new player likes to be insta gibbed by an invisible enemy and nowadays I see a lot of people with upleveled characters. I have even had level 2 guardian in my team and his armor was like paper. Please don’t turn this into “learn 2 play” discussion. Any successful game needs a large healthy player base and the design decisions should support that.

The introduction of WXP brought in new players to WvWvW, but many of them already are being bored or find it imbalanced, so I hope the new changes are going to make things more interesting for all of us. I have been spreading the good words in WvWvW and many people are indeed positive now “wow, finally changes to WvWvW”.

Great that you keep us informed!!

great expected idea however a supply removing trap would be greatly unbalanced if a zerg simply stacked them at certain spots