I expected less animosity , from a member of one of the top guilds in the world.
- nowhere was claimed that we are “so strong open field combatants” or that we owned or whatever your imagination came up with.
-nowhere did we claim that ZDs had equal numbers with us, on the fights you re talking about
- we were not 86 people , you re making things up
-The “no offense” part of your post is hypocritical. That is exactly what you intended, to offend.
There are a lot of great things to learn from a guild like Za Drots ,their coordination ,their skill , movement on the battlefield etch.
By the looks of it attitude is not one of them.
I do not understand why my post looks so negative for you. sad
My point was – do not blame other servers for blobbing, if even your
own server do the same blobbing time to time.
I’ll repeat (hope googletranslate helps): Absolutely all servers
sometimes use huge blobs. And Vizu, and Sfr, and even Deso.
I respect IRON guild (very skillful and organized – no doubts) who well known as major (main) WvW force of Desolation server.
But i don’t respect individuals who using “double standards” (hope it
translated correctly) – that’s my point.
And i don’t understand why my words about GvG looks so offensive for
you. Two best guilds (its just imo) of Desolation – The Iron Triangle
[IRON] and Golden Horde [GH]. We identifies those guilds among others,
and want to fight them. (GvG is perfectly fit – no skills lag, equal numbers, no sieges and so on)
PS. If my words were offensive to you, I sincerely apologize. I ask to be lenient, because my English is pretty bad.
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Teo Draculesti [ZDs]
I am the one that should be apologising, i misinterpreted your post and thought it expressed hostility.
You should not feel the need to apologise for google translate or your english, this is clearly my mistake and i apologise for that.
I understand what you mean abou the word “blob” but i dont think my guildmate had the intention of insulting any Sfr players, least of all Za Drots.
Please understand that Iron and the whole of Desolation are in a position where we have to fight for the score.
Personally i would prefer to loose an equal match against you and learn something, than winning with more numbers. There is no satisfaction in numbers, no sense of accomplishment.
Objectivity is lost with so much haters around.
And then there is some cluelesness added to it all.
It is a complaint that it ruins the fun and creates skill lag. Nothing else.
The players have the power to make or break the fun in a game too. Until they fix things, you could decide to run with as much people to not create too much lag. Or not.
Until they fix the flawed score system so it actually represents effort, you can decide to not abuse the system just for the score. Or not.
Fun. Honour. Respect.
Seek and you shall find.
Too bad it is lost to so many.
But by all means, continue with whatever it is you are doing. Wisdom will come with time, or you’ll get hit in the face anyway, one way or another.
I see the leader of Red Guard posting about “Iron fiction” and “iron claims of winning” .
Would you care to elaborate?
Any examples of those kind of claims?
-On a sidenote, glad to see Sacrx’s posts have not changed much in the past 5 years. Some things should remain a constant, otherwise the world would plunge in to chaos.
People claiming about skill in WvW…. this is a teamplay game, it requires nearly 0 skill… go play some RTS and come back (real ones, not LoL which is not a RTS).
Lag sucks yeah, but there is almost no culling right now, i think they r testing/changed sumthing
Anyways, many ppl who blames lag were the first ones who drunk those ascalonian potions and such craps in order to force culling… not pointing to any1, you know who you are (im on an organized guild btw, so also hate lag)
Black Ice Spain – Desolation
Just a remind, whatever i post is my opinion, not representing any community i’m part of.
People claiming about skill in WvW…. this is a teamplay game, it requires nearly 0 skill… go play some RTS and come back (real ones, not LoL which is not a RTS).
Lag sucks yeah, but there is almost no culling right now, i think they r testing/changed sumthing
Objectivity is lost with so much haters around.
And then there is some cluelesness added to it all.
It is a complaint that it ruins the fun and creates skill lag. Nothing else.
The players have the power to make or break the fun in a game too. Until they fix things, you could decide to run with as much people to not create too much lag. Or not.
Until they fix the flawed score system so it actually represents effort, you can decide to not abuse the system just for the score. Or not.
Fun. Honour. Respect.
Seek and you shall find.
Too bad it is lost to so many.
But by all means, continue with whatever it is you are doing. Wisdom will come with time, or you’ll get hit in the face anyway, one way or another.
Reading your post makes me feel as if there was an invitation/challenge to a sort of GvG
event, to which the Deso response was “lets make a zerg and lag them to death”.
I may be mistaken and not have all the facts, but i knew of no such thing.
“Abusing the system”. Not sure what you re referring to.
“Fun.Honour.Respect.”
On that note let me describe my first encounter with a RG scenario premade team in Warhammer.
I was new at the game, RR 67-68 at the time , and me and my scrub undergeared and lower RR premade happened upon Red Guard. We did not quit, we did not hide at the spawn.
We came out to fight.
They procceded to wipe us and then ./gloat and ./laugh over our bodies.
Fun? Admittedly it was fun for someone.
Honour? Respect? I saw none of that.
“Fun.Honour.Respect.”
On that note let me describe my first encounter with a RG scenario premade team.
I was new at the game, RR 67-68 at the time , and me and my scrub undergeared and lower RR premade happened upon Red Guard. We did not quit, we did not hide at the spawn.
We came out to fight.
They procceded to wipe us and then ./gloat and ./laugh over our bodies.
Fun? Admittedly it was fun for someone.
Honour? Respect? I saw none of that.
People claiming about skill in WvW…. this is a teamplay game, it requires nearly 0 skill… go play some RTS and come back (real ones, not LoL which is not a RTS).
Lag sucks yeah, but there is almost no culling right now, i think they r testing/changed sumthing
It requires skill to teamplay correctly though
Just a minimum, not real skill, never found myself in a situation of “ kitten i’m out of fingers” @ MMOs.
Black Ice Spain – Desolation
Just a remind, whatever i post is my opinion, not representing any community i’m part of.
Saying there is little to no skill in GW 2 shows how little you know and why you will never improve. Sorry.
try playing any RTS game at professional level, not even the hardest ones. Any MMO is just a dumbed down (but fun) part of it.
For me there are two kind of skills on gaming, aim and macro/micro management. You no need any of those in a single unit 3d game without a crosshair. (maybe little micro).
Then there is teamplay which usually comes w practise if you have two hands. And that’s the only “skill” that you need, but i don’t consider it a real skill. I assumme any1 can play with others correctly.
Black Ice Spain – Desolation
Just a remind, whatever i post is my opinion, not representing any community i’m part of.
Saying there is little to no skill in GW 2 shows how little you know and why you will never improve. Sorry.
try playing any RTS game at professional level, not even the hardest ones. Any MMO is just a dumbed down (but fun) part of it.
For me there are two kind of skills on gaming, aim and macro/micro management. You no need any of those in a single unit 3d game without a crosshair. (maybe little micro).
Then there is teamplay which usually comes w practise if you have two hands. And that’s the only “skill” that you need, but i don’t consider it a real skill.
You are right, but you cant really compare RTS and MMO’s.
Then there is teamplay which usually comes w practise if you have two hands. And that’s the only “skill” that you need, but i don’t consider it a real skill. I assumme any1 can play with others correctly.
Saying there is little to no skill in GW 2 shows how little you know and why you will never improve. Sorry.
try playing any RTS game at professional level, not even the hardest ones. Any MMO is just a dumbed down (but fun) part of it.
For me there are two kind of skills on gaming, aim and macro/micro management. You no need any of those in a single unit 3d game without a crosshair. (maybe little micro).
Then there is teamplay which usually comes w practise if you have two hands. And that’s the only “skill” that you need, but i don’t consider it a real skill.
You are right, but you cant really compare RTS and MMO’s.
Yeah i know, but this “full of skill” makes me sick, not that the game is fully skilless, but ._.. Blaming viz bcs of that it’s just WTF, they are the best (even if they lose a few weeks, SFR has a bandwagon explosion right now). It can be boring to play versus them, it is sometimes, but we can’t deny that they are currently the best server in what we are playing.
Plus if anyone considers team play a real skill, then yeah, vizunah it’s probably the most skilled server.
Black Ice Spain – Desolation
Just a remind, whatever i post is my opinion, not representing any community i’m part of.
Guys this post its about Deso/SFR/VS not about ego and guilds, and not about the skills. WvW its a tactics and teamplay game, if you want show your skill sPvP its better and more balanced.
We are not a very skilled guild, just a buch of friends and we dont need show our skill to anybody. Its about play for fun, for the score, for our improvement and no more.
Anyways, we have the best week so far. Incredible figths and a lot of fun. Thanks to all guilds in SFR.
Especial thanks to: SiN, OSC, Velocity, RG and BOOM.
Best wishes to SIN and RNV (spanish guild like us) in this new SFR adventure
Any reason why IRON and VoTF just came to SFR border and left it after 5 minutes without even finishing 1 fight? It is score game now for everyone even for you?
Any reason why IRON and VoTF just came to SFR border and left it after 5 minutes without even finishing 1 fight? It is score game now for everyone even for you?
I believe we were needed back at Deso border.
We had a small fight and we waited for a bit as you ran back into your tower.
It was TEQ and IRON btw.
This is just no fun to play vs. 70 – 90 Desolation guys at every turn insane skill delay. what happened to guilds running alone for the glorious kills. Isit still a win at all costs attitude lets have some good fights not this mass blobbing you cant fire off anything it just becomes more about who can hit 1 on the skill bar hardest. I would say good fights but its really not i think GvG at the moment is the only enjoyment you can get and skillfull play where you can actually use all of your abilities without any hassle. Ive seen some shocking things in pvp games but how can people play like this.
Maybe we have been playing different maps or times, but I have never seen more than 25 or so Desolation guys in one blob as long as I have been on this server. I changed servers just before the server swap became costly. We have usually just 15-20 guys even when we are trying to get the Stonemist castle (and we usually fail as two bigger zergs wait us). I very often see outmanned buff on our side, meaning the enemy has more people. In fact I very often see even 5-10 times more enemy against me. How does that sound?
The lag is really bad for everybody. I usually play an engineer and in order to do anything useful, I need to activate lots of skill in very short amount of time and grenade kit doesn’t even have an auto attack (except underwater). Waiting for 30 seconds just to get one skill activate is…
That is one of the main reasons I more like to do small group roaming. When you are far from big battles there is usually less lag, but I have noticed big Stonemist castle zerg fights incur a lag all over EB.
I know you are a great warrior player, but I have seen from your videos that you also use the blob tactic to get the boons and share your boons with your team mates.
I hope more and more skilled players would ignore the blob tactic, even though it gives you great boons with the combo field abuse, but small scale fighting can be great fun as well. And there is less lag!
Deniara / Ayna – I want the original WvWvW maps back – Desolation [EU]
Any reason why IRON and VoTF just came to SFR border and left it after 5 minutes without even finishing 1 fight? It is score game now for everyone even for you?
VoTF just this very second left SFR Bland. We have been there for around 3 hours now within which taking back our side of the map against a combined ZDs and SINS defense. Was a fun night. Some good play and organisation from ZDs and SINS attempting to pincer us a couple of times. Great fights in the supply camp especially up on the ramp just after we took out most of ZDs – SINS storm into us and the fight starts again. That was quite a close fight without many of our utilities being up but we pushed sins away.
Great fights vs Vizunah also with another 2 guild pincer movement.
nice blob there RG, rnv and many other guilds. we couldn’t even swap weapons or even dodge. we had 12 people in our zerg vs your 90+ people. gg
If numbers are the issue GvG lets go, what you waiting for. Let’s do this allready. 25 vs. 25 the offer is there. There is no hiding and no excuse then about numbers either side.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
Pret Orian / Pretorían
IRON
“All war is deception.” – General Sun Tzu
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
That’s funny, I was playing against them for a while earlier and they were running solo almost the entire time even though we were outnumbering them (GH+DeX + assorted puggies)
And not because there was no other SFR group on that BL.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.
nice blob there RG, rnv and many other guilds. we couldn’t even swap weapons or even dodge. we had 12 people in our zerg vs your 90+ people. gg
If numbers are the issue GvG lets go, what you waiting for. Let’s do this allready. 25 vs. 25 the offer is there. There is no hiding and no excuse then about numbers either side.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
That’s funny, I was playing against them for a while earlier and they were running solo almost the entire time even though we were outnumbering them (GH+DeX + assorted puggies)
And not because there was no other SFR group on that BL.
I only saw 30 people tops…
In all seriousness though, we did blob them. They were jumping outside our keep for a few minutes so we thought we’d help them get back on track with making sure Deso doesn’t fall out of T1 instead. They are obviously not interested in fighting with equal numbers anyway. Apparently they logged instead
Great fights again on Deso Border again today, OPT, OSC, MOS, BOON good fun! Ye it’s an early night for us over at IRON we’ve had a long old week and our day off starts at midnight so you’ll find the non slackers over on EB today Looking forward to next week’s matchup.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.
lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.
time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related
Pret Orian / Pretorían
IRON
“All war is deception.” – General Sun Tzu
nice blob there RG, rnv and many other guilds. we couldn’t even swap weapons or even dodge. we had 12 people in our zerg vs your 90+ people. gg
If numbers are the issue GvG lets go, what you waiting for. Let’s do this allready. 25 vs. 25 the offer is there. There is no hiding and no excuse then about numbers either side.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.
lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.
time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related
Mate, you got 38+ IRON and another 12+ pugs on your teamspeak. Plus those that tag along without joining comms. You stood outside the keep with 50+ trying to blobb our 23.
So yes, we called the zone and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Resulting in a clear wipe with equal numbers (was 23 RG + ~15-20 RNV + ~10 BG) and IRON ending the official raid.
As Cyril said, the offer for an equal number GvG is still open.
Also as you can take from Genev’s post, an actual Desolation player, we fought all evening alone and only gathered a few “pugs we didn’t want to send away” to assist us in combat.
I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing
We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.
lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.
time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related
Mate, you got 38+ IRON and another 12+ pugs on your teamspeak. Plus those that tag along without joining comms. You stood outside the keep with 50+ trying to blobb our 23.
So yes, we called the zone and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Resulting in a clear wipe with equal numbers (was 23 RG + ~15-20 RNV + ~10 BG) and IRON ending the official raid.
As Cyril said, the offer for an equal number GvG is still open.
Also as you can take from Genev’s post, an actual Desolation player, we fought all evening alone and only gathered a few “pugs we didn’t want to send away” to assist us in combat.
Can’t really take Genev’s posts seriously though considering she’s an RG fangirl.
