in a group of 5 hammerguardians it is possible at the moment to have an insane amount of dps. The reason is, that the symbolic avenger trait is bugged. It does not just give +10% dmg if an enemy stands in a symbol, but it does give +10% dmg for every symbol. This allows the dmg-modifier to stack up very high.
In Combination with the new shout “Feel my Wrath”, that gives 5 seconds of quickness on a 30second recharge, it is possible to have almost perma quickness.
These two things together allow a ridiculous dps output. “Hard” fractalbosses like Mossman or Archdiviner are melting within seconds.
Ferguson’s Crossing just used that exploit in Borlis Pass. They took our Garrison, Hills and Bay in less than 3 minutes each and they were all fully upgraded. Cheating is not how I play the game and if this isn’t fixed soon, I will no longer be playing WvW nor will I encourage friends and family to play Gw2 or the upgrade. This exploit is known by Anet. They have to know by now and still have not fixed it.
I know a lot of people threatening to quit the Teq event until this is fixed. The seal bug made him melt so fast the double hp meant absolutely nothing. Please fix so I don’t miss out on this event in the future.
Reminds me on the necro signet back when it was a thing.
Looks funny, but they really should fix it. Sadly it looks like they aint doing anything til next patchday. And you can only hope, that they will fix it there.
To me it looks like, that all symbols are counting – not only those from the guardians in the group. Otherwise the damage output shouldn’t be soo high – still to high of course. I mean five guardians with quickness should be able to have permanent ten symbols on the ground – which would result in a factor of 2.59 instead of 1.21 (for only one guardian). So the effective number of players “only” would be doubled for the present guardians.
To me it looks like the boon bug a week ago – so hopfully it can be fixed in short time (without making this trait useless – maybe using a cap for the multiplicators (2?), or only counting the symbols which oneself has put down ) .
To me it looks like, that all symbols are counting – not only those from the guardians in the group.
You dont say.
That’s why it is that broken and everyone wants the fix.
1) Opening Post – Group of five Guardians …
2) Something constructive? Would it be enough for you to limit the stacking to only the symbols from a group? I don’t think so. In my opinion only the symbols put down by that guardian should be counting – if that would make the skill to weak for Arenanet, well there is always the possibility to change the factors…
To me it looks like, that all symbols are counting – not only those from the guardians in the group.
You dont say.
That’s why it is that broken and everyone wants the fix.
1) Opening Post – Group of five Guardians …
2) Something constructive? Would it be enough for you to limit the stacking to only the symbols from a group? I don’t think so. In my opinion only the symbols put down by that guardian should be counting – if that would make the skill to weak for Arenanet, well there is always the possibility to change the factors…
There already enough threads about this as well as reddit topics, kinda surprised that you could miss them.
Yes it counts for every symbol on the ground and yes it shouldnt. According to the trait description it should give you only 10% more dmg, no matter how many symbols there are.
Abusing it is what harms WvW environment.
Doing it for hours is what harms WvW.
Making excuses to justify ktraining everything for hours is what harms WvW.
It’s honestly disgusting. Knowing about it does not prevent them from doing it normally, you know, with siege and without a bugged trait. It’s worse because not only did the people involved know about it, they continued to exploit it for hours.
To me it looks like, that all symbols are counting – not only those from the guardians in the group.
You dont say.
That’s why it is that broken and everyone wants the fix.
1) Opening Post – Group of five Guardians …
2) Something constructive? Would it be enough for you to limit the stacking to only the symbols from a group? I don’t think so. In my opinion only the symbols put down by that guardian should be counting – if that would make the skill to weak for Arenanet, well there is always the possibility to change the factors…
There already enough threads about this as well as reddit topics, kinda surprised that you could miss them.
Yes it counts for every symbol on the ground and yes it shouldnt. According to the trait description it should give you only 10% more dmg, no matter how many symbols there are.
Was there any official Anet answear/statement about the matter? Couldn’t find any.
I can confirm the bugged trait Symbolic Avenger. It just stacks from other players that adds an extreme damage increase against Tequatl etc. I had about 80k dmg per hit with my hammer guardian.
Some ppl reported the damage for about 275k dmg with GS Skill 2.
But this works only if there are enought guardians… at least 5 in group with the activated Symbolic Avengers + the elite skill for quickness and hammer for symbols while auto attacking. Or more with some different guardians builds that’s used with Symbolic Avengers or not.
It’s very harmful for WvW because the gates etc are melting down very fast by the big invasion of guardians without to use any siege weaponry and such.
This kind of needs to be addressed quickly, guardians are better than siege in wvw at the moment.
Guardians can take down gates faster than Rams. This needs to be fixed immediately.
Its already out for too long, and i can’t find any official respond to it. To be honest im afraid to play my guaridan, because i am not sure what the consequances gonna be. If there will be any punishments or something to punish people who used the “bug”.
Oh my ANET Please, watching MAGUUMA use this exploit with 15+ guardians on HOD is driving many not to play your game, you have PVE and WvW people very angry about the slow response. Any response.
In WvW by the time swords come up they are literally on the lord, we cannot respond that fast. It is making holding our BL impossible, Over the last 3 days our server has known about these multiple exploits they are not even logging on. Only way to compete is to use your exploits as some servers are embracing. HELP.
To me it looks like, that all symbols are counting – not only those from the guardians in the group.
You dont say.
That’s why it is that broken and everyone wants the fix.
1) Opening Post – Group of five Guardians …
2) Something constructive? Would it be enough for you to limit the stacking to only the symbols from a group? I don’t think so. In my opinion only the symbols put down by that guardian should be counting – if that would make the skill to weak for Arenanet, well there is always the possibility to change the factors…
There already enough threads about this as well as reddit topics, kinda surprised that you could miss them.
Yes it counts for every symbol on the ground and yes it shouldnt. According to the trait description it should give you only 10% more dmg, no matter how many symbols there are.
Was there any official Anet answear/statement about the matter? Couldn’t find any.
Not yet, but it is pretty obvious, that this is not working as intended. Symbols of other guardians should not count.
And as I said, according to the description, the amount of symbols shouldnt count at all but it would be fine, as long as only your own count, cause you cant really maintain more than one symbol for a longer time.
Assuming you could get 77 guardians in one place on a training dummy, and assuming all 77 guardians can concurrently drop 2 symbols each, and assuming at least one of the guardians can do over 1000 damage with a single attack (before the stacking bonus applies), you might be able to cause an integer overflow on the damage number (assuming 32 bit ints are used for damage numbers).
This, Engie grenade bugs and other 1 shot builds has me logging off the moment I go against it, due to most players exploiting the crap out of it, im only logged on for about 5 minutes at a time.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
Abusing it is what harms WvW environment.
Doing it for hours is what harms WvW.
Making excuses to justify ktraining everything for hours is what harms WvW.
It’s honestly disgusting. Knowing about it does not prevent them from doing it normally, you know, with siege and without a bugged trait. It’s worse because not only did the people involved know about it, they continued to exploit it for hours.
I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t think you understand the context. This is the guild that I’m in, I was running in this too. Our commander had us do this for the sole purpose of collecting footage to report to Anet. This exploit has been used by small groups all week, and we wanted to demonstrate how unfortunate this bug is. The run lasted for 2 hours and did not have any impact on the standings for this week. I had hoped that I made this all clear in the video. But there you go
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
Thank you for clearly stating regulations for exposing bugs via video. I’ll be sure to make sure that everyone in Ferguson’s Crossing follows them to the finest detail in the future. We shall not have fun in the game anymore either. Strictly business from now on.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
To be fair, it’s not REALLY an “exploit”. I mean the skill is working as it is currently set up to work, and while I’m sure Anet intended for it to work differently, they overlooked something in it and now it’s working wrong. However, to call this an exploit would essentially mean that ANY PERSON playing a Guardian and using that skill right now is “abusing an exploit”. So please just calm down okay lol.
I am a WvW player.
Maguuma Server
Ranger and Necromancer.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
To be fair, it’s not REALLY an “exploit”. I mean the skill is working as it is currently set up to work, and while I’m sure Anet intended for it to work differently, they overlooked something in it and now it’s working wrong. However, to call this an exploit would essentially mean that ANY PERSON playing a Guardian and using that skill right now is “abusing an exploit”. So please just calm down okay lol.
An exploit is using any mechanics in an unintended way. It’s quite obvious that this wasn’t intended as ArenaNet would have just taken out siege equipment since this makes them useless. Using that skill is not an exploit, purposefully getting a bunch of guardians together to use that skill to down gates is an exploit. To what extent ArenaNet can punish is up for debate but I’d say if you have 20 guardians all rolling around in WvW then they know exactly what they are doing is an exploit.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
To be fair, it’s not REALLY an “exploit”. I mean the skill is working as it is currently set up to work, and while I’m sure Anet intended for it to work differently, they overlooked something in it and now it’s working wrong. However, to call this an exploit would essentially mean that ANY PERSON playing a Guardian and using that skill right now is “abusing an exploit”. So please just calm down okay lol.
An exploit is using any mechanics in an unintended way. It’s quite obvious that this wasn’t intended as ArenaNet would have just taken out siege equipment since this makes them useless. Using that skill is not an exploit, purposefully getting a bunch of guardians together to use that skill to down gates is an exploit. To what extent ArenaNet can punish is up for debate but I’d say if you have 20 guardians all rolling around in WvW then they know exactly what they are doing is an exploit.
Except for the fact that having large groups of people, aka “zergs” is a very popular and commonplace thing in WvW and Guardians are one of the most common and demanded classes for said WvW zergs. Occasionally, people also DO and DID dps gates before this bug even existed, so really what is happening right now is not all that unusual for WvW. The only difference now is that Anet broke the Guardian.
I am a WvW player.
Maguuma Server
Ranger and Necromancer.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
To be fair, it’s not REALLY an “exploit”. I mean the skill is working as it is currently set up to work, and while I’m sure Anet intended for it to work differently, they overlooked something in it and now it’s working wrong. However, to call this an exploit would essentially mean that ANY PERSON playing a Guardian and using that skill right now is “abusing an exploit”. So please just calm down okay lol.
Intentionally taking down gates in seconds, for hours, is abusing an exploit. In the scale shown, it is definitely exploiting the skill that is not working as intended, in a competitive environment.
No, running it for hours is abusing an exploit for own purposes, in this case even if you “don’t care about ppt” that’s a lot of champ bags from the lords, that’s a lot of people’s time and money wasted in seconds from an exploit. WvW is not PvE.
Show how it was done once, don’t cap what you take the gate down to show, Send it to Anet, and you DO NOT use it again. Otherwise you really aren’t any better than those ‘hacking’ the client.
And to be honest, abusing an exploit in this manner can result in bans, and situations like this truly do warrant them.
To be fair, it’s not REALLY an “exploit”. I mean the skill is working as it is currently set up to work, and while I’m sure Anet intended for it to work differently, they overlooked something in it and now it’s working wrong. However, to call this an exploit would essentially mean that ANY PERSON playing a Guardian and using that skill right now is “abusing an exploit”. So please just calm down okay lol.
Intentionally taking down gates in seconds, for hours, is abusing an exploit. In the scale shown, it is definitely exploiting the skill that is not working as intended, in a competitive environment.
Also you guys can’t say it’s abusing an exploit when guards use it on doors and ONLY then. If you say using this skill is an exploit, then it’s an exploit, period. It would also be unfair for them to use it in a fight against people because that’s a competitive environment and they’re getting extra damage that they wouldn’t have otherwise. In fact, if they used it in a dungeon, it’s making the dungeon unintentionally easy because of all the extra damage. So if you want to say this is an exploit that is being abused, then it has to be an exploit whenever someone uses the skill. And it’s not fair to accuse every single guardian that is using a hammer of “abusing an exploit”.
Also, in the Dev Tracker you can see that the Devs are saying they do NOT count unbalanced skills as “abuse of bugs” or “exploitation of bugs”, so just stop calling this a bannable exploit please. I do agree that I want it fixed asap, but calm down.
I am a WvW player.
Maguuma Server
Ranger and Necromancer.
It is still exploiting a bug, especially to take down a gate in 10 seconds regardless if they are going to ban on it or not. That doesn’t change a fact.
It is still exploiting a bug, especially to take down a gate in 10 seconds regardless if they are going to ban on it or not. That doesn’t change a fact.
“The current skill state (or balance) is not going to fall under a situation where we would consider it an “abuse of a bug” or “exploitation of a bug”.”
-quoted from a dev in the Dev Tracker.
Just because you WANT it to be an exploit, doesn’t mean it is. Also, I saw groups do it in much less than 10 seconds. So while this isn’t an “exploit”, yes it is a very serious bug and I hope Anet addresses it soon. It’s honestly dumb how fast a group can ktrain any map right now, and I’ve heard complaints about it in the context of world bosses and dungeons as well.
I am a WvW player.
Maguuma Server
Ranger and Necromancer.
By definition it is an exploit. Per the Dev post, as you quoted that part, they are not ‘considering’ it an exploit due to “the current skill state”, so they won’t be actioning on it.
It needs fixed ASAP, and people abusing this broken trait intentionally, is still unethical and unfair. Just because ‘everyone’ can do it doesn’t make it right. It is still disgusting,
It isn’t so much that one trait as it is that trait + all of the damage mods in Radiance/Zeal/Virtues in combination with that trait + Feel my Wrath. I just saw a full zerk zerg running this melt a gate in about 3s. In and out in less than a minute on a keep. This reminds me very much of the issue that happened with the new necro heal skill when it was released last year that was quickly fixed, hopefully they’ll be able to fix it soon, because I don’t think overall guardian is “working as intended”.
I believe Gate of Madness has stumbled upon this bug. A zerg of guardians just ripped through t3 SMC with a single ram per gate, which were actively being disabled. Couldn’t even approach the door without melting, with all their symbols on the ground.
This is one of those big things they have to fix quick, since it affects PvE as well. It’s not like finding bugs in people’s watergates and then using that over and over again for weeks.
At least it’s here, it’s out in the open and not some secret tactic being used by elite guilds when no one is looking.
Ferguson’s Crossing just used that exploit in Borlis Pass. They took our Garrison, Hills and Bay in less than 3 minutes each and they were all fully upgraded. Cheating is not how I play the game and if this isn’t fixed soon, I will no longer be playing WvW nor will I encourage friends and family to play Gw2 or the upgrade. This exploit is known by Anet. They have to know by now and still have not fixed it.
I was for a little while in the FC zerg last night that melted reinforced gates in 30 seconds without siege. I wasn’t playing a guardian, obviously a lot were. We spent most of the time asking each other what was going on, because only a core group of CCS knew it was a bug. Initially they did it to publicize the bug and get it fixed, but lets be honest, it was mid week, BP had a 100,000 point lead, it had no bearing on the outcome of the match and it was fun to melt gates without siege, even more fun to do it against towers with 10 or more BP superior arrow carts so see if it could be done for a while. It was fun, which again being honest, WvW rarely is fun anymore. No harm was done to the integrity of WvW, our match was not close, it wasn’t going to be close with or without this bug, and its going to be fixed, if it hasn’t already.
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