Guild Wars 2

Theftwind.8976:

“Get off this server you noob, you cannot play worth kitten. Go somewhere else and play. Leave this server for the real players.”

You cannot see a problem with that?

The only ones I’d want off the server is people who would react like that. Why would someone complain about a newbie? O.o I’d be glad to have more people. And for those that aren’t experienced, you can easily teach.

There are quite a few proposed solutions out there. I really hope that ArenaNet creates a platform for discussion similar to the December skill balance preview.

There was quite a bit of productive dialogue and I think that the community is getting a better product as a result of it.

Theftwind.8976:

Bllade, there is only one problem that I can see with your proposal. Since the spots per server are fixed let us surmise that players A,B, and C are elite players. They want player D to join who is also an elite player but the spots are taken up by new players who are still learning what WvWvW is all about. Those new players are going to be pressured into giving up their spots so the elites can all be together.

A very simple overview but I can guarantee that is what will happen.

That’s why I mentioned the fee to register in the first place. It’s a filter out process while still generating revenue for Arena Net. Players that casually play WvW will not find paying a gem fee to sign up worth it, and they wont.

In that particular case where A,B,C elite players try to force out someone for D player, can’t happen even if they wanted it to, once you sign up it’s in stone. So it’d just be a bunch of wasted crying.

Bllade.1029:

How to fix the WvW problem:

1. Create new server names or team names specifically for WvW. Current server names stay the same, and WvW still is open for them.

2. Allocate X amount of spots for each server for people to sign up to represent. When spots are full, they close that server of sign-ups. A time-limit listed until sign ups are closed altogether and servers are made live. Charge a fee to sign up on these servers initially.

3. Repeat until all players are allocated among the servers. Servers that aren’t full, the player base is distributed with the other servers.

4. Launch.

5. Population problems fixed.

Be sure to separate servers depending on geographical locations. European, Asian, and NA. NA IP’s cannot sign up for an Asian server; so on so forth.

Prime-times will be consistent, and coverage gaps will be minimized as well as population differences.

It will be up to each team to coordinate and organize against the others.

1: Can you provide a link to where anyone from ANet has ever said that they consider the population balance to be an issue?

The current map limit only exist because of resource constraints, if they could run maps with higher caps, or without caps at all, they would. Imagine how the population imbalance would affect that scenario.

A-Net won’t do any of this stuff because they want WvW to be as big as possible and they’ll address capacity issues and won’t consider smaller worlds.

2: As noted, the hateful people will hate on people and cause friction, and A-Net probably do not want that.

3: This would be a lot better phrased in a GvG context.

Say arenas that guilds/parties can hire out that are inside WvW and count towards your WvW score. Limited places as agreed during hiring, not accessible until another team joins.

If you want the cheap version they don’t even need to do any maps, they can just cordon off the shrines. Open world until two guilds have hired them, and then a pop-up fence and you have your balanced GvG fight with no roamers popping in and WvW objectives built in.

Vote 1, too much coffee weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

codiac.5642:

Bllade.1029:

How to fix the WvW problem:

1. Create new server names or team names specifically for WvW. Current server names stay the same, and WvW still is open for them.

2. Allocate X amount of spots for each server for people to sign up to represent. When spots are full, they close that server of sign-ups. A time-limit listed until sign ups are closed altogether and servers are made live. Charge a fee to sign up on these servers initially.

3. Repeat until all players are allocated among the servers. Servers that aren’t full, the player base is distributed with the other servers.

4. Launch.

5. Population problems fixed.

Be sure to separate servers depending on geographical locations. European, Asian, and NA. NA IP’s cannot sign up for an Asian server; so on so forth.

Prime-times will be consistent, and coverage gaps will be minimized as well as population differences.

It will be up to each team to coordinate and organize against the others.

1: Can you provide a link to where anyone from ANet has ever said that they consider the population balance to be an issue?
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Here’s a link of DevonCarver sort of talking about population imbalance and its effects. Basically, the whole thread is about population balance…

alenaoreo.5206:

codiac.5642:

Bllade.1029:

How to fix the WvW problem:

1. Create new server names or team names specifically for WvW. Current server names stay the same, and WvW still is open for them.

2. Allocate X amount of spots for each server for people to sign up to represent. When spots are full, they close that server of sign-ups. A time-limit listed until sign ups are closed altogether and servers are made live. Charge a fee to sign up on these servers initially.

3. Repeat until all players are allocated among the servers. Servers that aren’t full, the player base is distributed with the other servers.

4. Launch.

5. Population problems fixed.

Be sure to separate servers depending on geographical locations. European, Asian, and NA. NA IP’s cannot sign up for an Asian server; so on so forth.

Prime-times will be consistent, and coverage gaps will be minimized as well as population differences.

It will be up to each team to coordinate and organize against the others.

1: Can you provide a link to where anyone from ANet has ever said that they consider the population balance to be an issue?
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Here’s a link of DevonCarver sort of talking about population imbalance and its effects. Basically, the whole thread is about population balance…

Devon’s comments don’t say that population balance is an issue. He says momentum might be a problem. He even asks why people think the score is coupled to population.

Considering ways to decouple score from population makes it pretty clear to me that re-balancing population isn’t on the to do list.

Edit: typo

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

Those keep lords…

http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Dota2_AnotherDuel.gif

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

That’s one kittening huge monitor…

Theftwind.8976:

Lol…you don’t? Then blind thou art!

“Get off this server you noob, you cannot play worth kitten. Go somewhere else and play. Leave this server for the real players.”

You cannot see a problem with that?

If I saw a problem with it I wouldn’t tell it to all the baddies whenever I’m commanding.

Sincerely,
Detective Miss Winters,
Very Good Detectives [VGD],
“We make Devona’s Rest free of crime!”

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

That is an awesome shot.

Jeknar.6184:

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

That’s one kittening huge monitor…

Or like… 3 inches tall…

I just want to thank HoD, you have driven all the fairweathers out of WvW on SF.

The lack of queue times have allowed us to actually play alts without fear of switching toons and being stuck in queue, you have busted the bubble of people that still believed that PPT in WvW is anything more than a coverage measuring device.

I wish we could fight you guys/gals every week.

LOL, whats up with all the HoD players doin the /logout when they are downed?

King Amadaeus.8619:

I just want to thank HoD, you have driven all the fairweathers out of WvW on SF.

The lack of queue times have allowed us to actually play alts without fear of switching toons and being stuck in queue, you have busted the bubble of people that still believed that PPT in WvW is anything more than a coverage measuring device.

I wish we could fight you guys/gals every week.

“You are welcome, we will send the bill later. P.S yo mama so ugly she scared the fair weathers away.” ~Love The Banned One Aka Devon from VLK

vitali.1609:

LOL, whats up with all the HoD players doin the /logout when they are downed?

They don’t want to get spiked like 100k times and let us catch up? (HOW RUDE) Also errbody knows its not /logout…Its alt+f4 to properly do it.

ALSO

[DZ] is recruiting bad-decent dedicated small team players for roaming/havoc funs.

Must enjoy:
-Killing players
-Running from zergs
-Capping camps
-Taking sentries
-Wiping enemies whilst defending stuffs
-Light hearted trolling
-Corpse jumping
-emotes (in general)

Must hate:
-Trebs
-Cannons
-Superior ACs
-Sitting all day on any of these hoping someone passes by your keep/tower
-PPT
-people who care about PPT
-Me when I make 3 clones mid-fight to go mine an Iron node while appearing to be fighting

codiac.5642:

1: Can you provide a link to where anyone from ANet has ever said that they consider the population balance to be an issue?

The current map limit only exist because of resource constraints, if they could run maps with higher caps, or without caps at all, they would. Imagine how the population imbalance would affect that scenario.

A-Net won’t do any of this stuff because they want WvW to be as big as possible and they’ll address capacity issues and won’t consider smaller worlds.

2: As noted, the hateful people will hate on people and cause friction, and A-Net probably do not want that.

3: This would be a lot better phrased in a GvG context.

Say arenas that guilds/parties can hire out that are inside WvW and count towards your WvW score. Limited places as agreed during hiring, not accessible until another team joins.

If you want the cheap version they don’t even need to do any maps, they can just cordon off the shrines. Open world until two guilds have hired them, and then a pop-up fence and you have your balanced GvG fight with no roamers popping in and WvW objectives built in.

Vote 1, too much coffee weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Server population isn’t the issue. Server participation is, I also said nothing about increasing caps so not even sure why you even brought that up. You create separate servers altogether, and charge a fee to sign up to those servers. Same cap and everything, once cap has been reached, you open the next server up for registration. Etc. Etc.

As far as creating friction, you must not read the forums often. There is friction regardless, no matter what. Doing this would alleviate all of the friction due to pop imbalances and coverage gaps. Also, the people that would sign up for these servers would not be your typical fair weather if the fee is hefty enough. The fee is what separates those who play this game for WvW and those who don’t.

Lets say said server has four maps each with a cap of 160 players each team before a queue happens.

160 × 4 =640 640 is now your cap limit to sign up on each server. However, you close cap at closer to 500, so if any servers do not get filled you can distribute the remaining sign ups among the rest of the servers without breaking the hard cap.

gg wp. Arena Net gains a lot of revenue from the sign ups, WvW’ers can stop complaining about pop and coverage and we’re one step closer to being whine free.

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

bob.8632:

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is “Eh, no big deal. He’s done a lot for our server and has conducted himself with professionalism so far. We’ll freak if he becomes unprofessional and starts abusing his power.”

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Thanks for the duels in HoD from both DR and SF. I’ve missed the past 2 weeks of Fight Club, so it was nice to get a breath of fresh air.

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Yes. And before anyone from HoD freaks out, he never discusses HoD on our site. Just site admin issues.

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Yes. And before anyone from HoD freaks out, he never discusses HoD on our site. Just site admin issues.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/068f1d61400a63e860b32e8c9cad3e19/tumblr_mt3ljzh44o1rzew5ko1_500.gif

vitali.1609:

LOL, whats up with all the HoD players doin the /logout when they are downed?

There has been some discussion about connection issues on our server of late, and several regulars have mentioned it, that could be part of the problem.

Are you getting XP?

bob.8632:

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

That news is so god kitten old. He also owns YaksBend.com. HoD worried about the idea of spies over a year ago when SF kicked our kitten … but nothing happened so it was just some nice guy hosting all this for us.

He spent most of this time on Yak’s Bend but moved over to HoD not too long ago. I’m not him so I don’t have the exact story. The owner is really nice, professional and fair.

Tossed Fish.7380:

bob.8632:

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

That news is so god kitten old. He also owns YaksBend.com. HoD worried about the idea of spies over a year ago when SF kicked our kitten … but nothing happened so it was just some nice guy hosting all this for us.

He spent most of this time on Yak’s Bend but moved over to HoD not too long ago. I’m not him so I don’t have the exact story. The owner is really nice, professional and fair.

we lub u tlaloc

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Yes. And before anyone from HoD freaks out, he never discusses HoD on our site. Just site admin issues.

As the same for us. He never discusses anything from SF. In fact, we even have users outside the server on our forums. -Looks at Styx from GoM- I know you’re reading this!

lunyboy.8672:

vitali.1609:

LOL, whats up with all the HoD players doin the /logout when they are downed?

There has been some discussion about connection issues on our server of late, and several regulars have mentioned it, that could be part of the problem.

Are you getting XP?

Yep, nothing like getting into a fight with my Guardian and get stuck in a perma- whirling wrath that does no damage to the opponents and then disconnected only to find myself dead on the ground in Divinty’s Reach.

Tossed Fish.7380:

bob.8632:

Fun fact of the day, apparently a guild leader on HoD owns Sorrowsfurnace.com and the Mumble VoIP.

Discuss.

That news is so god kitten old. He also owns YaksBend.com. HoD worried about the idea of spies over a year ago when SF kicked our kitten … but nothing happened so it was just some nice guy hosting all this for us.

He spent most of this time on Yak’s Bend but moved over to HoD not too long ago. I’m not him so I don’t have the exact story. The owner is really nice, professional and fair.

It’s new news for us. But most of us already assumed he wasn’t an SFer. We just didn’t know exactly what server was his home server. I think most who were shocked were just shocked to learn exactly what server he calls home during a week we were matched against that server. That’s all. And the only reason it was even brought up was for full disclosure so those who would prefer to tailor their WvW discussions in the private areas of the site with this information in mind can do so.

Our server has been using the site and the mumble pretty heavily since January. He’s been incredibly professional host so far and has really left the direction and day-to-day social/moderation stuff to SFers. And he’s been incredibly responsive whenever we run into any tech issues with the site or the mumble.

Manoa.5897:

It’s new news for us. But most of us already assumed he wasn’t an SFer. We just didn’t know exactly what server was his home server. I think most who were shocked were just shocked to learn exactly what server he calls home during a week we were matched against that server. That’s all. And the only reason it was even brought up was for full disclosure so those who would prefer to tailor their WvW discussions in the private areas of the site with this information in mind can do so.

Our server has been using the site and the mumble pretty heavily since January. He’s been incredibly professional host so far and has really left the direction and day-to-day social/moderation stuff to SFers. And he’s been incredibly responsive whenever we run into any tech issues with the site or the mumble.

Pretty much how we felt over a year ago when we faced you guys. We thought he was on SF at the time. But yeah, the people of the server really created the culture and he focuses on all the mod and tech stuff. Doesn’t really intervene unless someone breaks the terms or privacy policies.

Also! Do know whenever your mumble goes down, ours goes down too. We aren’t sabotaging you, because all our stuff is on the same server

Tossed Fish.7380:

Also! Do know whenever your mumble goes down, ours goes down too. We aren’t sabotaging you, because all our stuff is on the same server

Makes sense, being on the same server and all.

Also kinda comforting. ’Cause you know misery loves company.

You know, ET and FC are SF’s T8 bros (from when we were all stuck in the glicko ghetto together). So does this all make HoD and SF community website bros?

Righteous.4307:

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

bob.8632:

Manoa.5897:

General consensus among most of SF.com’s users is "Eh, no big deal.

Ahh much like their approach to WvW.

Both sites have been in existence since BWE1. And the SF.com site has been in heavy usage since January. There is absolutely no way this could have been some engineered plan for HoD to gain some sort of advantage. I highly doubt the owner’s crystal ball is THAT good.

As for the rest, I do not eat bait.

Ahh so they own both sites? HoDs and SFs?

Yes. And before anyone from HoD freaks out, he never discusses HoD on our site. Just site admin issues.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/068f1d61400a63e860b32e8c9cad3e19/tumblr_mt3ljzh44o1rzew5ko1_500.gif

Adventure time is an endless source if wisdom.

We purposefully shut down the server when it’s SF prime time. Its strategy.

Gold Dolyak please.

Hey SF! This is a non troll post or not thumping our chests, but please come take your garrison from us =(

Odies.8017:

Hey SF! This is a non troll post or not thumping our chests, but please come take your garrison from us =(

/me tries to decide if the seated chap front and center is the thief he fought/chatted earlier

arKRazor.8654:

Odies.8017:

Hey SF! This is a non troll post or not thumping our chests, but please come take your garrison from us =(

/me tries to decide if the seated chap front and center is the thief he fought/chatted earlier

Probably is… Mushroom Head MU Thief. AKA Backstabbed

Good on SF, my suggestion to DR when obvious guild farm groups sit in a keep is let them rot take the supply camps and let them be bored. No point in feeding them bags if all you have to fight them with is pugs and up-levels.

Righteous.4307:

arKRazor.8654:

Odies.8017:

Hey SF! This is a non troll post or not thumping our chests, but please come take your garrison from us =(

/me tries to decide if the seated chap front and center is the thief he fought/chatted earlier

Probably is… Mushroom Head MU Thief. AKA Backstabbed

That’s indeed the one =]

Thanks for the once again awesome GvG CoSa!! MU won 3-0, you guys always give us a great fight!! Pics to come (:

Hey CosA going to miss you and SF! Good luck on the rest of the season and hopefully we can run into each other when it goes back to random.

props to [TVC] and others for fun duels at windmill ^^

Pictures from the GvG last night..Once again, awesome fights CoSa, we will miss you in the borderlands!

yawg.4172:

Not even gonna bother reading most of this thread, but thought I’d jump in and leave a note for once!

So, my small team has been practicing a lot more recently and tonight the 6 of us took Devona’s Rest Keep in EBG! Well, to be fair, there were 2 defenders until the last minute and it’s not exactly a big thing, but….

We broke in, killed a few DR defenders who showed up, killed the Keep Lord and jumped in the circle just as a group of DR showed up (Probably about 4-6? Heat of the moment, couldn’t count). We managed to pull of the capture AT THE SAME TIME DR banner’d their Lord and we got to witness to Keep Lords duking it out xD

(Edit: sorry for the huge resolution…)

So 10 or less DR came to defend our keep from your group. Yup sounds about right.

Hey errone, I’m going to miss windmill fights tonight but message me anytime after three if you want to duel.

I will probably be there earlier than the stated time, for some reason people started moving fight night back….They used to be at daily reset back in the good ole days.

Great GvG MU, it was really fun. I was the Guardian randomly walking and dancing with you guys inbetween fights Gad we all got drunk afterwards!

Palom.2095:

Great GvG MU, it was really fun. I was the Guardian randomly walking and dancing with you guys inbetween fights Gad we all got drunk afterwards!

There’s my kite!