Guild Wars 2

Don’t blame the players, blame the bad design.

Anything that discourages people from playing together or in your case, keeps people from pursuing the action is terrible design and needs to go.

Teaching and helping new players should be an enjoyable experience for both parties, instead it’s a huge burden for the veteran player and a condescending experience to the new player.

The ‘rally’ mechanic has held WvW and SPvP hostage for far too long and any decently run company would have done away with it a long time ago.

This is unfortunately a problem with the game.

TEQ was likely running a closed guild group (no commander tag is the primary indicator of this), where unfortunately thanks to game mechanics, your upleveled character brings a serious boon towards the enemy; They easily kill the upleveled character and all their downed players rally.

The rally mechanic is to blame for incentivizing poor social behaviour. And it’s been like this since launch. Unfortunately WvW does not have a development team any longer, so an otherwise ’simple’ fix to disable rally in WvW could have been implemented years ago.

The other problem is, especially now with the different trait unlock system, upleveling does not put you on a level playing field with actual level 80 characters, not even close, which further increases the problem of being a free rally source.

An alternative solution could be to simply lock regular WvW map access to level 80 only, but again, no dev team, etc.

Your upleveled characters or new players are best off sticking to Edge of the Mists for a little PvP/PvE mix. It’s not WvW but it will teach you a few basics about it such as how to use siege equipment.

If you’re 100% serious and persistent about contueing to play upleveled in normal WvW, there is one set of tasks that everyone can do, but it won’t get you much loot, experience or anything beyond the thanks of your WvW server population: Scouting holdings your server owns for incoming zergs, escorting dolyaks to keep upgrades going, purchase upgrades, build siege, refresh siege decay timers. A dreadfully boring task that will cost you tons of gold, time, and gives you completely nothing in return, but very important nonetheless. You can do this with any character.

(Insert comment on how to make scout duty more fun and rewarding, but then follow up with a comment about no dev team, etc.)

What some write her about being disrespectful to the guild or it being a bad design is absolute nonsense entirely.

bad game design
Did a part of the game force those players to be rude? Did someone demand it or does it give a reward? No it doesn’t. Those players decided to be rude. They likely believe to be something better, because they play the game in an organized group. They are elitists, who don’t care to calmly explain the issue to the upleveled. Instead they use cheap rudeness, because its easy and they are anonymous. Luckily not all players are like that and I for once ask people nicely and take the 5 minutes to explain rather than pushing potential reinforcements for the future away. It is incredibly effective and I play the same game as those “elite pro gamers”. Don’t blame the game design for every player decision. Even if the design was flawed, the players still chose to be rude themselves instead of civil.

Disrespectful towards the organized group/guild
Sorry, but that is utter bullkitten. If the upleveled was trolling the big group and deliberately playing rally bot it would be different. But that was a new player learning the game. If anything, that guild was disrespectful. They could have explained the situation and the newcomer would have likely understood. That is my experience. Point that person to EotM or to a pug zerg with a public commander, that is going around. But attacking new players like that is pathetic and disrespectful towards the new player, not the other way around.

At 4am you are not going up against any SFR blob… more likely there are 5 players defending garrison against 20+ Deso.

In fact… at just about any time on a borderland that is not ebg you are not facing anything close to a blob unless you get to inner garrison during SFR prime-time and the entire server is called to defend.

But… back to the original OP… your friend should’ve chosen to try the game when it wasn’t Deso’s prime-time.

The OP mentioned she was playing at 4am, I don’t think much was going on last week during that hour apart from the train capping stuff and some fights with much lesser numbers of SFR. Gandara didn’t really have a chance to defend themselves, so they went about their own ways especially those [Crow] guys.

Last night the funny thing is SFR had far more uplevels than running with [GH], I don’t think it’s fair to expect everyone to play the way you expect – it can’t be helped if you want numbers.

Deli.1302:

She’d face the same treatment no matter what server she was on. Up levels are a liability to the players around them. Easy target for easy rallies.

It’s a two way street. You can say that guilds don’t have the right to demand ownership of a game area (which I agree with) but what gives her the right to devalue the gameplay experience of others?

There are many ways to level up your character. I suggest you tell your friend to focus on getting to lvl 80 and getting a good build before venturing into WvW. Not only will WvW be infinitely more fun for her but she’ll also be useful to the players around her.

eotm —-→ zerg with plvl for all, just following the commander and cap the points (no need to fight or to take down any mobs)

TyPin.9860:

bad game design
Did a part of the game force those players to be rude? Did someone demand it or does it give a reward? No it doesn’t.

Yes, the rally mechanic does force those players to be rude.

Uplevels dying and rallying the enemy ruins their experience. They have to be rude to get her to go away. They’re already running untagged so they made an attempt to be polite. She choose to follow them anyway. Being polite did not work so they were forced to be rude. That is terrible game design, I am sorry you can’t see that.

Dawdler.8521:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I think you just don’t want to accept the fact that WvW is a competition that is opened to ALL. This isn’t the Olympic were there was pre-selection by your kitten raidleader.

Strange, I thought a raid was a preselected party of guild/alliance members.

If only there was some sort of system that allowed anyone to become… lets call it a “leader”… a focus point for random people to form some kind of blob around and join or follow at will instead of just having these closed raids.

But surely such a thing does not exist in GW2?!

I see you just don’t care how many time I repeat it to you that WvW is a SERVER thing, not a guild thing. You can refuse reality all you want, but that won’t change it. You want to force something you don’t have the power to enforce is the problem. At any rate, your best chance to still get your desired result (to be left alone) would be to ask nicely.I never refused anyone such a request when they asked even just half decently. Do wannabe “elitist” players have to be such kitten all the time? You can be “elite” and still be nice or at least try.

Jarrix.8234:

TyPin.9860:

bad game design
Did a part of the game force those players to be rude? Did someone demand it or does it give a reward? No it doesn’t.

Yes, the rally mechanic does force those players to be rude.

Uplevels dying and rallying the enemy ruins their experience. They have to be rude to get her to go away. They’re already running untagged so they made an attempt to be polite. She choose to follow them anyway. Being polite did not work so they were forced to be rude. That is terrible game design, I am sorry you can’t see that.

I’m sorry but this is BS. I face the same mechanic and I sure as hell feel more urges to be rude to the kitten who behave like barely evolved simians than toward those who just try their best to play even if they aren’t to my level. It’s an attitude problem and some need to look at themselves in a mirror.

I will tell you a server that will truly take anyone regardless of level. Try Tarnished Coast, Most everyone there is extremely friendly.

MightyMicah.7451:

All I can say is, “Welcome to MMO’s.” I’ve never observed more hostile, unforgivable communities in any other area of life.

The Call of Duty multiplayer community says ‘Hi’.

my 2 cents

A guild running closed raid has no obligation to teach new players how WvW works. Players of 15-30 (not sure how many were there) running closed raid should be able to enjoy the game the way they want to play it. If they didnt want to carry upleveled they should be free not to do so.

I agree on one thing only that they could have told her in nicer way.

But then again you did name and shame WHOLE GUILD when they did NOTHING wrong so there is that too. kittened people everywhere.

If you really had that girl in your room at 4am and only thing you could invent was “let’s play video games” then I can assure you – one Desolation TEQ guild attitude isn’t the biggest of your problems pal.

Besides I think your story is partially made up. Are you one of those “my friend made a drawing but was too shy to post it himself” reddit guys?

Well all of this is really Anets issue, because if they actually did anything to address the issues in game enjoyability, they would sort out the balance for people to level characters quicker. Lets face it, PVE levelling is a PITA, it’s slow, it’s unrewarding in its loot, when you have covered the map on 3 characters its repetitive ( did I also mention slow?)
EOTM is better because if you get a good zerg going, you cover points that are fantastic for leveling. The only issue EOTM has is that blooming Overgrown ( Uberstacked should be a better name for that server ) is constantly the side that’s packed to an inch of its life, leaving the other sides undermanned. Of course they told us multi-server was going to combat that – well how facepalm is that ?
Year later Overgrowth / Uberrallybot is still the major server and if you don’t land lucky to be in there, you may as well go back to PVE because most of the time you don’t get further into the map without 12 vs 1 odds.

Personally I feel uplevels are no place for WvW , not because they should not be there but people expect it as a quicker way to level a character. ON a server like Deso which is currently stacked like setting concrete in a soda bottle, I am somewhat surprised the attitude against upscalers is a big issue, considering they have more people than most to aid the ant-run.
Upscalers in such a server would make no difference in that scenario and if anything would be similar to a karma Train in Frostgorge. In smaller servers who struggle against the gold league servers (yeah again awards for Anet not understanding balance) it is a different story and I might see why a commander would get a little upset in towing a pile of upscalers in his zerg as you are struggling to achieve targets as is. .

I don’t think Deso should be pinpointed for having rude people though, it’s the same everywhere else. You will always get ignorant and very aggressive people in MMO’s , you just have to play it cool, fight your corner and if you cant win -take it up with complaints.
Piken once had an issue with upstarts and rude ignorant people until the big servers left for bigger trophies. You still get the odd person who is fantastic at the game but lacking in social conduct and brains, to figure out why they they can’t just expect people to think as they think. Being a Scotsman myself , I have generations of cultural background to tell any upstart little “Numpty” who comes at me without thinking what they are about to do through, without a reasonable explanation and more so decent approach to learn some manners and life experience (which pressing buttons in a game won’t give you).

I have had a whole guild disbanded and members banned due to poor behavior on another server due to poor and very hostile reactions to other players. Not something I am proud of but my rights are important as well as other gamers (and they were idiots to start with XD ) Everyone has a duty to make the game fun for yourself and other players and it starts with your good behavior and good attitudes in-game.

This is a game and a game to be enjoyed. At the end of the day Anet really have much to think about in the finer details of player enjoyment ( which includes faster and more rewarding leveling) and negating factors that otherwise make them lose customers or worse, miss opportunities to gain more through negative experiences of others through player negativity. If you still have issues in Deso and if you are ever in Piken , you can look me up. I don’t normally take others into my little guild as we are all real life buddies, but we are super friendly, will help if needs be and always open for a good laugh. Just have a really cool name, our guild loves people to say “ooooh thats name is awesome”. Hope you find your way to a happier experience Rococo.

I am sorry to hear this. I am quite sure similar behavior is happening on other servers as well. Upleveled, people running wrong gear or failing the dodge the first attacks, will often get called “rallybots”. I can understand the frustration on both sides: somebody new wants to learn the game mode, while a guild doesn’t want enemy to rally from ally who dies too easily. Some of us have sense of humor to even fun of the whole thing and one Desolation player often runs with Rallybot Guild [RG] guild tag. :-)

If there was no visible commander tag, then one can fairly assume it was a closed guild raid. Many closed guild raids don’t welcome outsiders, sometimes not even level 80s. You will have much better luck following very small groups (1-3 players) or somebody who actually has a commander tag on. Getting a character to level 80 is not that difficult. I have done it for all the professions. You will enjoy WvWvW better, as you have access to all traits and the best gear.

I have almost always room in my party and I have no class or level restrictions. And when I have commander tag on, feel free to follow. You can also ask advice for builds and strategies.

Deniara Devious.3948:

I am sorry to hear this. I am quite sure similar behavior is happening on other servers as well. Upleveled, people running wrong gear or failing the dodge the first attacks, will often get called “rallybots”. I can understand the frustration on both sides: somebody new wants to learn the game mode, while a guild doesn’t want enemy to rally from ally who dies too easily. Some of us have sense of humor to even fun of the whole thing and one Desolation player often runs with Rallybot Guild [RG] guild tag. :-)

If there was no visible commander tag, then one can fairly assume it was a closed guild raid. Many closed guild raids don’t welcome outsiders, sometimes not even level 80s. You will have much better luck following very small groups (1-3 players) or somebody who actually has a commander tag on. Getting a character to level 80 is not that difficult. I have done it for all the professions. You will enjoy WvWvW better, as you have access to all traits and the best gear.

I have almost always room in my party and I have no class or level restrictions. And when I have commander tag on, feel free to follow. You can also ask advice for builds and strategies.

Yes, a closed raid at 4 in the morning… TEQ sure does get out early it seems. Desolation is made of puggies. Desolation shouldn’t have an issue with their own upleveled puggies. Desolation has uplevels that are better than level 80’s.

I said Desolation in every sentence so you would understand me, but there really shouldn’t be an issue with uplevels on a server like deso.

Jarrix.8234:

Yes, the rally mechanic does force those players to be rude.

No, it doesn’t, being rude is a choice.

Yh we all love upleveled crap which can be killed by nomand guard with staff^^ I think that 99% of guilds dont want to lose fight becasue of upleveld crap which can melt in 1 sec and is completly useless during teamfight . Dungs are the same 99% of parties will kick lvl40 from ac exp and what ? I think its better to have 1 person less then upleveld on teamfight . Lvl your char to 80 and then come back and play.

MightyMicah.7451:

All I can say is, “Welcome to MMO’s.” I’ve never observed more hostile, unforgivable communities in any other area of life.

Try MOBA’s, lol.

I’m pretty highly ranked in DOTA and you stil lcant go throug ha single game without someone in the game being flamed out at the end for ruining it, it’s pretty sad really.

Cufufalating.8479:

MightyMicah.7451:

All I can say is, “Welcome to MMO’s.” I’ve never observed more hostile, unforgivable communities in any other area of life.

Try MOBA’s, lol.

I’m pretty highly ranked in DOTA and you stil lcant go throug ha single game without someone in the game being flamed out at the end for ruining it, it’s pretty sad really.

I tried DOTA once.

My first game, I was kicked within 15 seconds for being noob (yes, that was the actual notice after kick).

I was lucky to get out of that cesspit early. You’ll probably meet friendlier people in a mexican prison.

Thanks for the contributions so far but I need to bust some urban myths that have developed on this thread.

1. My friend wasn’t following a ‘closed guild raid’ at no point was she told it was one, the commander icon was on, a fair amount of people not from that guild were in the group – I was clear about all of this folks.
2. to the commenters saying not to play at ‘peak time’ if it was truly peak time she would have hit a que and there would have been more than one commander on the map.
3. Deso as I have previously pointed out was BUILT on PUG’s doing messy anarchic land grabs, it was fun and relaxed, all welcome – I don’t know why things have massively changed here – there should be at least one server in GW2 where people can go do wvw without a guild or with a casual grouping of casual guilds without someone clutching their pearls – Deso being the biggest population of mixed nationalities was that server – Deso when I was regularly playing had pretty much at one point NO guilds – we managed and yes it does irk me that I return to have some new upstart guildy get nasty with my newcomer friend – its not only put her off – its put me off.

salemfrost.4965:

If you really had that girl in your room at 4am and only thing you could invent was “let’s play video games” then I can assure you – one Desolation TEQ guild attitude isn’t the biggest of your problems pal.

Um we are both women – is that too hard a concept to get your head around ?

But even if it was a close guild raid and there was no tag it absolutely doesn’t change a kitten thing at all. It’s all in your head. What is truly sad is the apparent unwillingness to simply ask nicely if you want to do your “close guild raid”. Nobody is asking you to teach anyone or do anything you don’t want to do. All that is said is WvW is a bad place to behave the way you want to. You can’t do anything “closed” unless you have others consent and to get it your best bet is to be nice.

Rococo.8347:

Thanks for the contributions so far but I need to bust some urban myths that have developed on this thread.

1. My friend wasn’t following a ‘closed guild raid’ at no point was she told it was one, the commander icon was on, a fair amount of people not from that guild were in the group – I was clear about all of this folks.
2. to the commenters saying not to play at ‘peak time’ if it was truly peak time she would have hit a que and there would have been more than one commander on the map.
3. Deso as I have previously pointed out was BUILT on PUG’s doing messy anarchic land grabs, it was fun and relaxed, all welcome – I don’t know why things have massively changed here – there should be at least one server in GW2 where people can go do wvw without a guild or with a casual grouping of casual guilds without someone clutching their pearls – Deso being the biggest population of mixed nationalities was that server – Deso when I was regularly playing had pretty much at one point NO guilds – we managed and yes it does irk me that I return to have some new upstart guildy get nasty with my newcomer friend – its not only put her off – its put me off.

Actually, it’s the other way around. All WvW servers are opened to all players of any levels guild or not. The guilds that want to do anything strictly “guild” related are the ones who should be begging for a server, not the opposite.

Deso arent just unfriendly to low levels. I am level 80 and today, when i tagged their watergate on EB, they sent lots of players and just killed me.

Wanze.8410:

Deso arent just unfriendly to low levels. I am level 80 and today, when i tagged their watergate on EB, they sent lots of players and just killed me.

LOL nice touch.

Ins.7139:

I pretty much leveled up my alt warrior commanding against Deso. If I can fight and command on upleveled warrior and kill Deso blobs then yea, Deso will find any excuse for their losses. Haha

Its easy to pwn 20-25 men groups with the full zoneblob. But somehow sfr always lost against deso if we have 40 people
618 kills yesterday, 130 lootbags and 2 dies

(And this is the reason why dont play with upleveleds)

Ins.7139:

I pretty much leveled up my alt warrior commanding against Deso. If I can fight and command on upleveled warrior and kill Deso blobs then yea, Deso will find any excuse for their losses. Haha

It’s funny you say that. When you bring an entire zoneblob of 80 players, where 50 of them are banners to keep your kitten alive over and over and over while facing a 40-45 man open raid – of course it will take forever to get you down but I am yet to lose a fight to you on SFR when you don’t have more than 2x our numbers Ins

Ohhh, I like where this thread is heading…

Regarding less ’casual friendly’ comments, today I cannot really see this as an issue on Deso. I’ve played this game on and off since beta and I can say there was only one point in time when Desolation became truly a foul place, that was during the times of IRON and RUIN blobs effectively drowning out every other player with elitist and other negative behaviour.

So no, being casual should not impact your enjoyment of the game, although it does depend a bit on what you class as ’casual’. I play at irregular times but still know what I can and cannot do with my class and how everything in WvW works. Some people would call me casual because of my playtimes alone.

Anyhow, this thread is going on longer than it should so I’m cutting my post short. I’d say it would get locked soon as it is turning into a bash thread, but you know, no dev team reading here, etc.

Wanze.8410:

Deso arent just unfriendly to low levels. I am level 80 and today, when i tagged their watergate on EB, they sent lots of players and just killed me.

LOl , nice comment, made me chuckle. Baruch are the same, tagged an ele on one to one, when she got help to finish me and she corpse jumped me. I tell you kids… they hate level 80s too LOL

Danieboy.6953:

Ins.7139:

I pretty much leveled up my alt warrior commanding against Deso. If I can fight and command on upleveled warrior and kill Deso blobs then yea, Deso will find any excuse for their losses. Haha

It’s funny you say that. When you bring an entire zoneblob of 80 players, where 50 of them are banners to keep your kitten alive over and over and over while facing a 40-45 man open raid – of course it will take forever to get you down but I am yet to lose a fight to you on SFR when you don’t have more than 2x our numbers Ins

And there is Deso’s second problem, they simply can’t count! I’ve had a full zone blob on me once since i moved over. It’s actually quite hard to get a blob during primetime because SFR has so many closed raids and guilds raiding that you’re lucky if you can get over 40. Unless of course you play in EB, but i’ve not played in EB more than a handful of times.

And once Deso find out i’m leading a blob usually comes hunting me straight away, kinda fun

Once Kresh pulls his finger out and gets the video up of 40 of us killing 3 guild blob + pugs with like 40-45 of us you shall see :P

Ins.7139:

Danieboy.6953:

Ins.7139:

I pretty much leveled up my alt warrior commanding against Deso. If I can fight and command on upleveled warrior and kill Deso blobs then yea, Deso will find any excuse for their losses. Haha

It’s funny you say that. When you bring an entire zoneblob of 80 players, where 50 of them are banners to keep your kitten alive over and over and over while facing a 40-45 man open raid – of course it will take forever to get you down but I am yet to lose a fight to you on SFR when you don’t have more than 2x our numbers Ins

And there is Deso’s second problem, they simply can’t count! I’ve had a full zone blob on me once since i moved over. It’s actually quite hard to get a blob during primetime because SFR has so many closed raids and guilds raiding that you’re lucky if you can get over 40. Unless of course you play in EB, but i’ve not played in EB more than a handful of times.

And once Deso find out i’m leading a blob usually comes hunting me straight away, kinda fun

Once Kresh pulls his finger out and gets the video up of 40 of us killing 3 guild blob + pugs with like 40-45 of us you shall see :P

I eagerly await this video so I can point out the inconsistencies with your claims and what we see in the video. I surely hope the mini map won’t get blocked because that’s really the only way you can prove any of your claims.

Ins.7139:

Danieboy.6953:

Ins.7139:

I pretty much leveled up my alt warrior commanding against Deso. If I can fight and command on upleveled warrior and kill Deso blobs then yea, Deso will find any excuse for their losses. Haha

It’s funny you say that. When you bring an entire zoneblob of 80 players, where 50 of them are banners to keep your kitten alive over and over and over while facing a 40-45 man open raid – of course it will take forever to get you down but I am yet to lose a fight to you on SFR when you don’t have more than 2x our numbers Ins

And there is Deso’s second problem, they simply can’t count! I’ve had a full zone blob on me once since i moved over. It’s actually quite hard to get a blob during primetime because SFR has so many closed raids and guilds raiding that you’re lucky if you can get over 40. Unless of course you play in EB, but i’ve not played in EB more than a handful of times.

And once Deso find out i’m leading a blob usually comes hunting me straight away, kinda fun

Once Kresh pulls his finger out and gets the video up of 40 of us killing 3 guild blob + pugs with like 40-45 of us you shall see :P

It was this friday (or maybe it was the week before that, a reset anyway) on reset, SFR had no other groups running. And Desolation had [GH] open raid of 40~, EXG raid of 15-18 and [AH] raid of 20~.

I love how everybody worshiped Ins when he was on Deso. They followed him around, pampered him and treated him like a god. Now he’s on another server however and he’s just a blobber who needs 40 banners to save him. It’s funny, nobody on Deso really cared when Ins lead 80 man blobs on his 24 hour pain trains, but I guess this just shows how some people are hollow and don’t mean half of what they say.

I just thought it strange Ins was throwing stones at Deso . It was a lot of fun when he was here,and will be a lot of fun facing who he leads now no doubt. No need for the mud slinging.

Have some respect,and show some class for one another. We are all here because we love WvW no matter what side we are on. Let the pain bleed out on the fields of battle.

I see Ins has caught the sfr Bullkitten disease, moving to a server with 60+ all the time doesnt make you special

Why exactly would a veteran WvWer move to SFR?

I’m not even talking about Guilds, just because some may move to be a part of the strongest Server in the EU and to be in the most active Tier, it doesn’t mean everyone is there to ‘win’ a Competition that, in the end doesn’t you reward us for anything when we finish 1st or 2nd – whether it’s the at the end of a weekly Matchup or in the Rankings.

If Server pride boils down to arguing over who’s blob is better or whoever wins the Coverage Wars, then that for me is completely pointless. Man I miss Vizunah though.

White Raven.4368:

I just thought it strange Ins was throwing stones at Deso . It was a lot of fun when he was here,and will be a lot of fun facing who he leads now no doubt. No need for the mud slinging.

Have some respect,and show some class for one another. We are all here because we love WvW no matter what side we are on. Let the pain bleed out on the fields of battle.

Go read gw2wvw forums or even Desospeak, i got nothing but kitten after i left. I didnt take players, i didnt give people kitten, i just left. And yet still people felt they needed to sling their wang around and yet i still farm them in game lol so i speak up, and i love every minute farming your so called “good” commanders.

You have about 3-4 good commanders on that server, 2-3 very good. The rest get a kitten farming EB thinking they are good lol

Keep going Deso, the community is a joke and apart from the 20-25 people i actually respect on that server, sod the rest. Half the time you are “We are winning, we play to win, we are awesome” the rest of the time you are losing “We are slacking it’s ok, we don’t want top look at them losers PPTing” and that is the main reason i left. You don’t play to win? Fine, i do.

Okay fair play then.

Candy Fluxx was the most respected Com I ever ran behind on Deso,those were the days.

Ins.7139:

White Raven.4368:

I just thought it strange Ins was throwing stones at Deso . It was a lot of fun when he was here,and will be a lot of fun facing who he leads now no doubt. No need for the mud slinging.

Have some respect,and show some class for one another. We are all here because we love WvW no matter what side we are on. Let the pain bleed out on the fields of battle.

Go read gw2wvw forums or even Desospeak, i got nothing but kitten after i left. I didnt take players, i didnt give people kitten, i just left. And yet still people felt they needed to sling their wang around and yet i still farm them in game lol so i speak up, and i love every minute farming your so called “good” commanders.

You have about 3-4 good commanders on that server, 2-3 very good. The rest get a kitten farming EB thinking they are good lol

Keep going Deso, the community is a joke and apart from the 20-25 people i actually respect on that server, sod the rest. Half the time you are “We are winning, we play to win, we are awesome” the rest of the time you are losing “We are slacking it’s ok, we don’t want top look at them losers PPTing” and that is the main reason i left. You don’t play to win? Fine, i do.

It’s funny you say that. I respect you as a commander in fights and so on. Definetly top 10. But you were never the one to siege up / defend alot when there were fights around instead when you were on Desolation. So you say play to win…that is PPT – a way you never once played when I was with you. That’s just…strange. Do you just mean win fights? Because most of the time (55-60%) I see equally numbered fights Desolation will win the fights.

MightyMicah.7451:

All I can say is, “Welcome to MMO’s.” I’ve never observed more hostile, unforgivable communities in any other area of life.

MOBA’S and CoD

I personally think there should be a minimum level requirement before anyone can enter wvw. Low level upscaled characters serve no purpose apart from being cannon fodder to the enemy. Level 50 would be a good minimum lvl and they would be of some use to the zerg apart from being cannon fodder and just leech exp to lvl up as they’re too lazy to grind/quests/hearts/map explore/events etc etc.

Rococo.8347:

I used to play GW2 a fair amount and did some of my levelling through wvw I was there when all the guilds abandoned Deso last year and left us guildless scrubs to battle through – it was fun if a tad disorganised, no one was EVER turned away. In all honesty I don’t even think Deso would be near the top of the wvw if it wernt for the large numbers PUG’s keeping it going through that time.

So I really disappointed to discover things have changed – a friend staying for the weekend asked if she could try out GW2 before she bought – as I don’t really play now I signed in to a lowish level character she wanted to try whilst I played something else and we chatted – she went to wvw – it was 4 am in the morning with very little action apart from a couple of groups, wanting to heal mainly she tagged along with a group to take down a garrison – she was summarily told by someone from TEQ to ‘stop following our group around with her crap uplevelled character’ she pointed out she was actually just following the action and learning how to heal.

Im sorry but I don’t think Guilds have any right to demand ownership of a game area like wvw – she wasn’t doing any harm and is now saying she is put off the game for the unfriendly attitude.

I don’t blame her, I think its a shame.

for all these reasons anet should restrict the access to eotm and only for up-level chars ….

wvw for many gamers is the end game and it is the only thing in-game to make them log every day and also the zerg /gvg mechanisms make the game-play very demanding from the players and an up-level char can not offer to any group ……

so, be logical and listen your server . do not follow them if they don’t want !

p.s. to be honest , i played with my uplevel char in the past in wvw but i never followed a com or a gvg raid because i knew that i will give them only troubles .i man the sieges in defending fights or killing sentries or spying enemies moves , things that nobody harms except me if i die

Danieboy.6953:

Ins.7139:

White Raven.4368:

I just thought it strange Ins was throwing stones at Deso . It was a lot of fun when he was here,and will be a lot of fun facing who he leads now no doubt. No need for the mud slinging.

Have some respect,and show some class for one another. We are all here because we love WvW no matter what side we are on. Let the pain bleed out on the fields of battle.

Go read gw2wvw forums or even Desospeak, i got nothing but kitten after i left. I didnt take players, i didnt give people kitten, i just left. And yet still people felt they needed to sling their wang around and yet i still farm them in game lol so i speak up, and i love every minute farming your so called “good” commanders.

You have about 3-4 good commanders on that server, 2-3 very good. The rest get a kitten farming EB thinking they are good lol

Keep going Deso, the community is a joke and apart from the 20-25 people i actually respect on that server, sod the rest. Half the time you are “We are winning, we play to win, we are awesome” the rest of the time you are losing “We are slacking it’s ok, we don’t want top look at them losers PPTing” and that is the main reason i left. You don’t play to win? Fine, i do.

It’s funny you say that. I respect you as a commander in fights and so on. Definetly top 10. But you were never the one to siege up / defend alot when there were fights around instead when you were on Desolation. So you say play to win…that is PPT – a way you never once played when I was with you. That’s just…strange. Do you just mean win fights? Because most of the time (55-60%) I see equally numbered fights Desolation will win the fights.

I wont delve into this to much, but the hours i played determined the playstyle and i shall elaborate a little, but first i am judged by the way i command. People never noticed when i was running around solo scouting zergs, sieging up keeps or sniping with groups of 5.

But anyway, my time (1530-1730 GMT) wasn’t about sieging up our keeps or defending for one simple reason, we always had more numbers than the enemy and i could rally a zerg out of thin air. This zerg was used to reset everything the SFR morning / day crew had been upgrading to even the score / give us an advantage going into prime time. It would directly influence Desos PPT as small squads / guilds could flip objectives more readily / k-trains could roll through a border and flip a whole map within the space of a tick, and thus increase our PPT. It meant the enemy had to bunker up to re-upgrade or re-siege objectives to ensure they had some defense going into primetime which meant they weren’t out taking our stuff.

As soon as i came over to SFR alot of people commented on this fact and was quite shocked at Desos early evening numbers now and look at SFRs PPT in the afternoon without a large zerg to fend them off / apply pressure. Not uncommon nowadays to see SFR tick 400+. SFR understand this, SFR play WvW with better organisation and better theories on how to win matchups and more importantly, people actually listen to proposed tactics.

Deso always complain and moan about SFRs numbers, and i was guility of it aswell whilst on Deso, but the actual fact is Deso often had the same number of people during the day availible to play WvW, they just lost hope. Wheni first came over i couldn’t believe how few players SFR would actually have during the morning / day in comparison to what i thought was the case. They won the tournament and matchups because of one simple fact. They are more organised and use far superior tactics / scouts (baring Desos night force <3 Moorta and Belonis hehe)

WvW PPT isn’t just about upgrading and sieging structures. It helps, but isn’t the way to play all the time.

In before thread close.
I miss match up threads.

OP, I don’t mind the upscales running with me, but I won’t give them a party so they can actually get a tag or stop to res them either. They made a choice to follow, I made my choice to ignore them. GW2 democracy in action!

Valdemas.4960:

In before thread close.
I miss match up threads.

BEST PVP MODE IN GUILD WARS 2, was MATCH-UP THREADS! Giff zem back!

It’s part of roleplay Anet, give it back to us to be able to say in public, the most constructive kitten u think about your opponent.

oh, and to op.

I give coconut cake to all upleveled.

EOTM just made for upleveled. And if u have problems with certain server better contact them on their “community page”

as someone befor said right klick → block is ur friend, and ur gonna find rude people on all games and all servers. so right klick → block and enjoy the game

To be honest, you won’t find too much sympathy for upscales on any server that has a strong WvW community. If you encounter a group of enemy players the only way to make sure that you are remotely useful to you group is to die on first impact.
This way you will avoid rallybotting later on in the fight.

If you want to level your upscaled in WvW, your options would be:
1) EOTM
2) Friday karma train

White Raven.4368:

I just thought it strange Ins was throwing stones at Deso . It was a lot of fun when he was here,and will be a lot of fun facing who he leads now no doubt. No need for the mud slinging.

Have some respect,and show some class for one another. We are all here because we love WvW no matter what side we are on. Let the pain bleed out on the fields of battle.

^This. Fed up with the drama.

Surprised someone was abused on Deso night crew though, its fairly frequent to have uplevels encouraged