Guild Wars 2

I read that there will be 3 new armour sets for each armour class (Heavy, Medium, Light)

Now I don’t particularly care for heavy or light, but please can the Medium armours not be more trench coats or some viney poison flower bs. Natural looking armour with straps and utility items that look a bit “survivaly” and “medievaly” would be fantastic.

Something like what I’ve attached.

also, don’t ruin good looking armor by giving it a fire wreath around the right arm (I’m looking at you, flame legion coat) or some oversized hip guard -stares at prowler coat-.

Simplicity is best.

…at least in my opinion.

I’ve mained Ranger since the start of Guild Wars 1 and up until today for Guild Wars 2. Arena Nets methodology just isn’t for me anymore.

The release of the Druid is the final straw. It’s quite clearly an attempt to get us off from playing the Ranger because the developers don’t know any other way to incorporate it into their game. We gave you advice on how to improve it and make us viable, what we said was ignored and were to be forced into a status of viability by introducing raids, attempting to build the game around having an aspect of heavy healing and then “dumping” it on the Rangers to make us happy.

Where is the logic in that? Did we ask for this? I certainly did not. on top of that, It’s ONE aspect of the game. Making Druid extremely niche.You can argue it’s good for PvP too, but it’s really not in my eyes. the meta is so filled with sustain and boons that it’s simply not needed. This is because the players have learnt to play the game WITHOUT a heavy healer and WITHOUT support, because THAT is how GW2 was made. The game intended to break the norm of MMORPG’s in that regard and redefine the combat system. This was one of the primary things that attracted us to this game!

I also hate being chronically ignored

A blind eye from the developers is something we’ve put up with for years. Why? what other gaming company (lets put EA aside here for a moment) ignores an entire segment of their community for no good reason? (Genuinely, I’m interested to know) “We’re listening”, they said, “We’re reading”, they claim. What aren’t they doing? Communicating and understanding. The WHaO outcry is a prime example. It’s been nearly a week now, and we’ve still had NOTHING from the dev’s. Not even so much as a nicely worded explanation. (“Reasons”, from Roy on his Twitter page does not count)

How hard would it be, honestly, for one of the developers, during his lunch break, on his phone, to just come and talk with us for 5 or 10 minutes each week? I spend longer than that on the kitten toilet on my phone. And that’s all we’ve ever asked for. If I were a developer for the games classes, I’d be DYING to know what the people who play the professions thought. I’d be aching to know how to make it better without making them OP. The clearest way to do that is to talk to them.

And yet, we get nothing.

I’m fed up with it and I’m not going to bother fighting this stupid battle with it any longer.

I’ll come back when you:

1. Fix that huge list of Ranger bugs (on the bugs section of the forum, one nicely structured post containing all of them, consolidated and well kept)
2. Re-design our profession from the ground up (Just do away with pets for gods sake they’re more trouble than they are worth. Make preparations our unique mechanic or something. Heres an idea, scroll through the Ranger forums and look at the HUGE LIST of alternative mechanics for the ranger to be found)
3. Begin talking to your players again.

This is fantastic! Do it for the Wyverns too!

Chokolata.1870:

Positive outlook ends when, even after 3 years, you still get kicked out of a group when you want to to something as trivial as Sorrows Embrace or Citadel of Flame for being a Ranger.

Again, great addition to the thread about druid feedback.

…a somewhat eerie feeling this. The forums are relatively quiet, the mice are sleeping, the owls are gliding gracefully through the night air…unbeknownst to them that in just under 4 hours, all hell is about to break loose. Enjoy it while you can fellow Tyrians.

Good luck to the devs and the whole arena net team, this is your finest hour. May Dwayna shed her light upon you, may Grenth keep you from the icy clutches of the playerbase, let Melandru guide your hand and Lyssa, your thoughts and logical thinking. And pray that Balthazar will lead you to victory. Abandons excluded because I killed the kitten out of him hundreds of years ago.

Scrimschaw.5784:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Also, guys, stop going on about other professions and what they can or can’t do in a thread designed to help the Druid. You are continuing to accomplish the nothing that has plagued the Ranger for a while now.

AgitatedFox, Druid (and Ranger) are not balanced in a vacuum—they are balanced against the other classes in this game. Comparing Druid to other classes is necessary when discussing Druid’s balance and place in the game. After all, this is why Irenio has nerfed Druid’s base heals—to be more in line with other classes.

I like your attitude sir. It’s healthy.

I realise that comparing the Druid is necessary as that’s what brings about balance. I’m fine with it, as I should be.

My issue is when people make wildly inaccurate statements about Arena Nets plans and apparent “lack of care”, WHEN they attempt to “compare” to other classes. That is not helpful and only serves to give Arena Net the impression we really really hate them, we have to remember they are people too. (I can’t think of a better way to re-word that paragraph, so I’m sorry if it doesn’t read well)

Basically all I’m saying is; keep it on topic, keep a good attitude (even if your feedback is negative) and stop making stuff up. Anything else and you may as well not have posted, as it only serves to lengthen the amount the devs have to read. The WHaO thread has over 1000 replies and 80% of it is horse kitten. (admittedly, some it is my horse kitten. We all get frustrated)

aB EXT.1287:

Having the Smoke on auto makes no sense. Why would I want my pet to randomly put a smoke field down, that it will have to stand in to not take damage? It has no tactical use to me.

This.

-Pet puts smokefield down randomly, interrupting a stream of dps. -Boss/mobs move
-smokescale moves too
-random smokefield chillin at the edge of the battlefield
-pet made 1/4 more useless.

It’s our MECHANIC. THE THING THAT MAKES US RANGERS. why are you so intent in making it useless as you can Anet?!?

I genuinely hate the people that QQ over ranger power and get us nerfed in seconds.

The complete outcry from the Ranger community here is unreal. Its unreal, but long overdue. And every point being made about favouritism, not play testing your game, hate towards the Ranger class etc can be backed up.

This is like a partial release of the Ranger frustration that’s been boiling up for months now. Do you even read the Ranger forums? that’s a serious question because I have my doubts. Rarely have you ever listened to us and our suggestions (The people who actually play your game very frequently) or asked us about things. “Druid feedback pl0x” doesn’t count.

You can’t ignore us this time, at least if you do you’ll lose what little respect your dev and balance team have from us.

Gail appreciation train coming through.

Choo-Choo!

Aidenwolf.5964:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

CandyHearts.6025:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Swagger.1459:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Swagger.1459:

The more I read about Revenant, the less excited I am about Ranger and Druid.

It’s cool to have a bow and pet for aesthetic reasons, but everything Revenant seems to be far superior from what I’m reading. Along with the option to be a better sustained healer, Revenant also other goodies to support their team. I get the feeling that Revanant will completely outshine Ranger in every aspect and game mode.

Of course Revenant will be a better sustained healer. Druid isn’t a sustained healing spec. It’s burst.

Just saying that the complete package seems far superior from what I read. Sure, burst healing my be better, but what else does Ranger have to offer to be competitive? Doesn’t seem like much else besides the pretty flower and rainbow unicorn arrows on the screen and a couple neat pets… Idk, hope I’m wrong.

I point you Here

If we can just get spirits to follow us, we’re pretty much set for support.

I really wish we could have them follow us again. A lot of the time the buffs go to waste because of battle relocation.

Funny they allowed moving boon-bot = Revenant, yet doesn’t allow ranger to carry moving spirits to grant buff to the team lol.

Double standard for ranger like always.

Nope, just different professions doing different roles and having different abilities.

More like disallowing and stealing the mechanic from a class and attached to another class they deemed superior.

How does this help Irenio make the Druid better? It doesn’t so post your negativity to your own thread.

Positive outlooks lead to positive outcomes.

Positivity hasn’t sorted rangers out in 3 years not has negativity. Positive outlooks affect nothing they only make you happy personally. This is a beta class discussion I wish everyone to give their feedback, positive or negative, none of it will change the class enough this late in development.

Making spirits move again fits the Druid, spirits are the only ranger skills that do.

negative feedback is good feedback. pointless comments about how other classes are stealing our specialities is neither good, nor bad, or even feedback at all. On top of this, you haven’t tried to be positive. It’s been this way FOR the 3+ years and you’re all deluding yourselves saying it hasn’t. Go check. (albeit, it has gotten extremely worse as of late)

agreed on the spirits.

Hammerguard.9834:

Ranger—Smokescale: Smoke Assault: This skill has switched places with Smoke Cloud so that it will now be the F2 skill for this pet. Fixed an issue in which this skill dealt higher than intended damage; it has been reduced by 50%.

Typical Anet. Always ready for nerfs but never ready for buffs.

What the hell do they mean “not intended?” They set the kittening values, play tested it, must’ve said “Yeah, that’s good.” And had done with it

Fed up of being shafted again and again by poor planning and failure to predict anything. WHaO was a great example.

I don’t mind being nerfed at the end of the day, but 50%? Just, for the love of God THINK before you do something and then you won’t have to nerf anything!

Are you honestly trying to tell me, ANet, that Irenio and the whole combat team are going to read every reply on this thread, consolidate all the information (organise it into useful data), respond to our anger, then constructively apply our feedback to not just the skill, but the ranger in general, all while in less than 3 weeks you have the first major expansion to the game that keeps you in business and puts food on your tables? Don’t even make me laugh.

Pathetic. It’s frustrating enough knowing this comment will never even get read. Stop playing with the Ranger community like it’s some kind of toy. There are REAL people who play this class, passionate people who have pumped hours upon hours into your game. The LEAST you can do is give them some kind of respect.

We don’t actually even want an apology, we don’t actually care (at the end of the day) about your posts saying “we’re reading.” What every Ranger wants more than all that is for you to take action. Action to take our class out of bottom tier trash. Action to stop our class being a laughing stock everywhere we go.

Will you? Or will we have to watch our class be stomped further into the dirt until the point where it’s eventually abandoned all together and deleted, because THAT is where it’s heading at the moment.

I’ve done my waiting, 3 years of it, in Azkaban.

Belzebu.3912:

Since spirits are a ranger skill, I’m sure it won’t be changed or even looked for a while, so I won’t even waste time making suggestions for it.

and thats how nothing gets done.

I’d love to get involved with this but unfortunately, I main a Ranger so that rules me out.

/salt
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I have a feeling it likely is all finalised but I’m just letting them know that I will cry if it’s more trench coats and no capes >_> :’c

+1 and replace it with preparations, you know, the amazing skills we had in GW1?

unfortunately, petitions are against forum rules, so this will likely be deleted,

Meanwhile, Karl McLain is being a great dev for Thief and Guardian and has made two threads detailing loads of changes for each specialisation. admitedly, Irenio basically posted the same thing in the Engi thread so we aren’t getting completely bummed, but I am curious why Karl’s allowed to toot his change-trumpet and Irenio has to keep his in a case? Must be some ancient secret business knowledge only Anet knows about.

Did you seriously think “teasing” the ranger community was a good idea to keep them happy and get them hyped at this time? I assume you’ve read almost every post thats been made in the last 12 days? You have dug yourself YET ANOTHER hole here. Stop messing about and actually think before you engage with us. I’d prefer that over frequent skirmishes of stupidity.

Just played this conquest game on Skyhammer with 2 thieves and 3 Rangers ( I was the 3rd)

Guess who won…

That’s right we did! 500-497

Rangers and Thieves are the best classes Mmkay.

3 cheers for Irenio, the man who gave us: Quickdraw, Remorseless, Lead the Wind, A FIXED WHaO, Smokescale, That trait which makes the pet take 3 condis off us and the one that removes a condi when using a survival skill (their names escape me), Quickening Zephyr, knockdown in spiketrap, enhanced moment of clarity, might stacking demon MDG, Grace of the Land, Glyph of empowerment and equality, Ancestral Grace, Natural Stride (the druid in general really, it’s amazing) and all the other stuff I can’t remember right now.

Thanks for being a great Ranger dev Irenio, a little more work cough sword AA cough and we’re golden.

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

CandyHearts.6025:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Swagger.1459:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Swagger.1459:

The more I read about Revenant, the less excited I am about Ranger and Druid.

It’s cool to have a bow and pet for aesthetic reasons, but everything Revenant seems to be far superior from what I’m reading. Along with the option to be a better sustained healer, Revenant also other goodies to support their team. I get the feeling that Revanant will completely outshine Ranger in every aspect and game mode.

Of course Revenant will be a better sustained healer. Druid isn’t a sustained healing spec. It’s burst.

Just saying that the complete package seems far superior from what I read. Sure, burst healing my be better, but what else does Ranger have to offer to be competitive? Doesn’t seem like much else besides the pretty flower and rainbow unicorn arrows on the screen and a couple neat pets… Idk, hope I’m wrong.

I point you Here

If we can just get spirits to follow us, we’re pretty much set for support.

I really wish we could have them follow us again. A lot of the time the buffs go to waste because of battle relocation.

Funny they allowed moving boon-bot = Revenant, yet doesn’t allow ranger to carry moving spirits to grant buff to the team lol.

Double standard for ranger like always.

Nope, just different professions doing different roles and having different abilities.

More like disallowing and stealing the mechanic from a class and attached to another class they deemed superior.

How does this help Irenio make the Druid better? It doesn’t so post your negativity to your own thread.

Positive outlooks lead to positive outcomes.

Nike.2631:

Irenio CalmonHuang.2048:

Hey all,

As we hurtle toward launch most of my time is locked into Druid and Scrapper changes.

After much tribulation I was able to make a change to WHAO to remove the static boon stack application on Might and Stability stacks being copied; this was actually a fairly difficult change to implement as we don’t really have support for copying boons with preset durations.

This’ll go in with the 23rd.

Ok, had to stare at this for a bit, but that seems workable. Might and Stability don’t stack duration so they shouldn’t pull the infinite recursion gag.

Now put a stunbreak on one of our traps and we’re golden .

And fix pet AI.
and fix all the ranger bugs
and give us a bit more damage
and fix sword auto
and fix shortbow

then we’re golden.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

LegallyBinding.4937:

IMO if you don’t want to heal/support maybe the Druid is not for you. You can still play Ranger as you always have.

I hope they make healing power more important. IMO you should have to give something up to get that kind of healing support power.

Guardians don’t need to give up DPS to get their support, which is arguably more effective than healing in that, unlike healing, it can actually save players that miss their dodge vs. dodge-or-die mechanics. Redbarring is not only the least effective way of managing damage, it is also the only one that requires stat investment.

It’s not “more effective”, it’s different. You have no idea what enemies are going to be thrown at you so you can’t really make a statement like that. What if enemies hit through block? what if there are enemies that do heavy boon strip? It’s a different kind of support and that’s OK.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

a nerf to base healing is necessary. Whilst I agree the Ranger, now, should be a hybrid class (either going full DPS or going Healing), in my eyes you shouldn’t be able to do both at the same time. Nerf base healing, increase how much healing you do if you gear for that than what it was at BWE3 if you geared for it, and it’s all happy. Unfortunately anet, you HAVE to buff core ranger for this to be a viable payoff. Otherwise you’ve kittened off the Ranger community YET AGAIN.

Point being what do we get when we give up the base healing?

As Druid we do not get any good damage at all!

It’s not like we give-up base healing and go full zerk, and suddenly staff hits as hard as LB. If you just going to nerf healing while leaving the damage subpar even with the best offensive set-up, then this is not hybrid, this is one dimensional crap (spec healing or you’re useless in both healing and dps)

Thats precisely it, no you don’t get mad damage by speccing druid and going with zerker. Thats like saying you want to be the biggest planet but also the smallest at the same time. Druids not gonna be a dps class and you will be a hindrance to your team by going druid with zerker.

Instead, if you want to be DPS, stick with core ranger. You can’t be Druid and have the choice of heavy healing or heavy dps. In other words, you can’t be a hybrid with just one specialisation.

We need to start ignoring that word “elite” thats attached to these specs and Anet should never have called them that in the first place as it makes us feel like thats the next goal of advancing the character. Its not, it’s just another option.

Don’t you understand the word HYBRID means?

Druid cannot be Hybrid post nerf because it’d only shine in heal. Even with best offensive gear, the damage is still subpar. It also has no condition damage whatsoever on everything Druid offers.
The ONLY option you get is spec for more healing, making your damage NON-EXISTENT (DONT use the word subpar, hitting less than1k with staff AA is outright worthless)

There’s nothing Hybrid about it. No damage, no condition, no boons, but only healing.
Druid is MERELY a healer post nerf. You either spec for inferior damage and giving up the whole healing things, or spec for healing to be a great healer and do next to no damage.

Other support classes NEVER have to go through this trade-off and still can keep all their options. (Damage or Condition, pick one) That’s what I called Hybrid.

You’ve hit the nail in the head yet again.

I’m well aware what hybrid means. You don’t seem to understand that what you’re saying is exactly what it is. the druid is NOT a hybrid spec. It’s a healing spec. what gives the Ranger the option TO hybrid is that is has the Druid option to spec into, or not.

Also, you used the word subpar, then told us not to use the word subpar.

I’m seeing a lot of salty Rangers here (I know because I am one) who can’t seem to look beyond the fact that there class is “bad”. Talk to Heimskarl if you think the Ranger is as bad as you lot make it out to be.

Read it again. If you spec for healing on a subpar damage class (Yes, even go full zerk, if you use staff your damage is “subpar”), your damage become “non-existent”. That’s what I meant.

You continue to fail to see my point. We shouldn’t get an Elite spec just for one dimensional use with no other choice but healing. Druid shouldn’t be something that bound to only healing. It should add options to our play-style, not pigeon-hole us into one play-style.

You said you’re able to pick on other specs of ranger to be Hybrid for Druid, but your logic is flawed because without the stats, other ranger specs aren’t going to save your dps. You pick healing, and your damage is nothing, simple as that. There’s nothing hybrid about it. This game is so reliant on stats and Amulets.

Okay again you’ve nailed the bullseye. There’s nothing hybrid about it. Correct. It’s a healing spec. It’s not meant to be a hybrid. (Unless Irenio + devs change their mind)

The ranger however IS hybrid because at its core, it’s DPS orientated. Yes, other ranger specs won’t save your DPS and as I said, the core ranger still needs a lot of work to make the class work as a hybrid (which is what it looks like they’re trying to do).

What I think you’re trying to say is that the Ranger either goes full dps, or full healing, and as such, whilst in play, cannot be a hybrid. The thing is, it appears that anet are trying to avoid just that, because thats what the Elementalist is and everyone cries “OP!”.

Also, why shouldn’t it be one-dimensional? take Rift for example, you have one class that specs into individual, one dimensional roles depending on whats needed of it. This is just something, that the Rangers have declared, shouldn’t be a thing and so therefore must have negativity hurled towards it.

Having this additional option actually OPENS the play of the Ranger. albeit it in an uncreative way (I’m not a massive fan of druid and I believe they could have done it differently, but I’ll put that in a separate post if asked because its off-topic otherwise)

This isn’t Rift. Any other elite spec has multiple build paths; there is no single stat that they need. The same should be true of druid. Forcing healing power on every druid in order for them to be effective is bad design.

I would like you to direct you to the “How to give good feedback” post in the General Discussion page by Mark Katzbach. You can pull out a quote from him saying “Consider: How have you seen this particular problem solved in other games?”. No, this isn’t Rift I’m well aware of that, but I was using it as an example of good class design.

Also, guys, stop going on about other professions and what they can or can’t do in a thread designed to help the Druid. You are continuing to accomplish the nothing that has plagued the Ranger for a while now.

Genuine question, what are the chances we could get an app for these forums? I spend a lot of time around here when I’m at work (evidently not working) and I hate having to do things through the internet browser if I can avoid it.

I’d be more than willing to pay for it to so you get bare moneys.

coolo.

I don’t understand any of this but I’ll let you carry on and pretend I’m smart by reading it. -nods-

Irenio CalmonHuang.2048:

We are, indeed, reading.

We particularly take time to read the constructive and well-crafted feedback posts.

I don’t want to make promises, which as many of you have pointed out can go horribly awry for a variety of reasons, but we are hoping to make some changes to the old ranger shouts (pre-WHAO & SotP).

Glad to know, but how about you go one step further and TALK with us?

Instead of commenting here “yes we read what you say” why don’t you instead join in with this thread and offer suggestions which we can talk about? Communication is how things get done.

PS. we love you Irenio

Aomine.5012:

AgitatedFox.5287:

Belzebu.3912:

Since spirits are a ranger skill, I’m sure it won’t be changed or even looked for a while, so I won’t even waste time making suggestions for it.

and thats how nothing gets done.

You know so little of ranger’s history.

We tried, for more than 3 years, countless times.

And often it’s ignored, or getting even worse.

Well no actually I know all of it down to exactly how they played at the start of Guild Wars 1.

Its ignored because you guys don’t go about it the right way. a quick scroll back to pages 350+ (when these forums were being used for the start of the Ranger) tells you that we have been acting the same for 3 years as well, which makes us just as bad as Anet. All the devs see when they come to this forum section is whiny, inconsiderate kitten who really have no clue how to develop a game (bar the odd ONE guy who maybe knows a bit of C++)

ask yourself, would you want to help us?