Guild Wars 2

BrunoBRS.5178:

Conan.4312:

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i’m serious. conan, dude, learn to use paragraphs. i didn’t read beyond the first line.

but that line told me a lot about you. you previously stated that you wanted mounts for roleplaying and immersion.

then i stated that lore says “no horses, no mounts”, thus the roleplay excuse is invalid.

then you ditch lore.

what kind of roleplayer are you? roleplaying isn’t ditching the rules of the world and making your own, roleplaying is living by the rules of that world, which includes not mounting dolyaks and horses not existing.

and to make a real world relation: guild wars 1, or “medieval fantasy” in general, is set around 1200-1600 in the real world, on technological time frames. guild wars 2 is set, in real world terms, in the 1800s. except it’s a version of the 1800s where you can teleport for cheaper than you can buy a loaf of bread, and that all horses died hundreds of years ago. and the 1800s couldn’t be further away from ‘midievil’ as you like to say.

First off, If you did not read my post then please dont reply to it, as you obviously missed alot of important points I made.

Secondly, you know nothing about me as a person other than I get tired of people ranting about something that would add alot of enjoyment to this game for ALOT of folks and not being able to give viable reasons against it. I respect your opinion to “not like or want mounts” but I have not seen ONE truly viable reason listed here by ANYONE to not have them. Yall may have your opinions on why they shouldnt, but they are just that-opinions. Mounts would not hurt this game, they would make it more successful as many have posted on this very forum, they WANT mounts and would play long term if they were implemented.

Thirdly, I NEVER said anything about roleplaying , only immersion, although I do enjoy roleplaying which by definition means “getting into character”ie…immersion. And I do want to honor lore as I said in previous post. I just think it can , has been and will be again “tweaked” to reflect a specific vision for the game. And by the way, theres nothing in ANY GW lore that says its forbidden to ride a mount, and yes dolyaks were ridden in GW by NPCs. These things were simply left out because it was EASIER/cheaper and the linear game world didnt require it.

And finally, quote whatever date system you like. No soldier/warrior of the 1800s sported Full plate armor and massive warhammers, 2handed swords, maces, etc..it still has the midievil feel. A few inventions and a little magic doesnt change that. Furthermore “midievil fantasy” is a vison, an idealogical world of heroism, not a date.

On another note about mounts blocking vendors being a reason not to have them??? Really? Please! I have played MMOs for 10 years and have never had an issue with that. If it bothers you that bad, make em so that you are dismounted anytime you interact with an NPC!

BrunoBRS.5178:

i stopped reading about a 4th of the way through, because there’s no way to read that wall of text. please use paragraphs next time.

anyway, i’m not flaming you, but i’d recommend your read some of my posts in this very page, which explain how mounts would actually break immersion, as mounts haven’t been a thing in tyria for centuries, and will definitely not happen again, now that teleportation costs so little.

what people forget is that tyria isn’t a medieval world, it’s a steampunk world. animal labor has been mostly replaced with machinery, gunpowder exists, the charr hit the industrial revolution, asuras re-created the asura gate network, which connects all 5 major cities (as well as other key points, including strategic locations in previous and current wars, like ebonhawke and fort trinity), AND they created a waypoint network, which allows people to travel instantly for a small fee (smaller than feeding an animal would ever cost).

any distance that doesn’t justify a waypoint travel (or when they have to transport stuff), people just walk. and they can’t defend whatever they’re transporting if they’re on top of a moa or dolyak, because those would be the mounts available.

why would you only be able to mount moas (stupid hybrids between chocobos and ostriches) and dolyaks (fat buffalos)? because there are no horses in tyria. horses are extinct, and may actually have never existed in tyrian land. so your only mount options would look ridiculous and impractical, which is why tyrians don’t ride mounts.

TL;DR: the immersion/RP argument is flawed, because mounts go against almost every staple of tyrian society. it would be like riding a horse around a major city on present day. sure it’s technically feasible, but it’s stupid, ridiculous, impractical and expensive.

Here we ago again with what you call “lore” logic? It may technically be what you call “steampunk” with some industrial advancements, but it is still very midievil. I mean quit using your anti mount bias as some kinda “elitist lore” excuse. It doesnt hold up. Animals are still very much a part of the world, everywhere are racial pack animals. If rideable mounts are obsolete, then pack/ work animals would be obsolete. You mentioned not being able to defend those pack animals while mounted?? I wouldnt prefer to ride a moa, but realistically they would be pretty freakin fast, therefore yes you could defend pack caravans better because of the mobility. Realistically any humanoid in Tyria will have the intelligence to surmise that its faster and more efficient to ride ANY beast of burden rather than being on foot. They would strike fast and retreat fast, ON MOUNTS! What about centaurs or any other fleet of foot beast who might attack? Having the mobility to run them down wouldn’t reallistically be an advantage?? Of course it would. Im simply stating all these scenarios to prove that some of the so called ”logic” or “realism” excuses I hear quoted here is flawed.So the argument of “we have gates and technology and dont need mounts” is flawed. Gates dont realistically and completely solve transportation.
Saying that “riding a mount would be like riding one in present day” is flawed. If Tyria is so technically advanced why are we all using midievil weapons and not ALL carrying firearms or laser cannons or any other myriad of advanced weaponry which could surely be developed by technology we see in-game?? Why are we still all strutting around in wonderful leather and metal armors that make us look ……um, KNIGHTLY?? Cuz its still a freakin midievil fantasy world. AND obviously we all like the midievil feel or we’d be playing some sci-fi futuristic MMO.
I dont believe GW started off saying “lets make an MMO without mounts cuz we wanna be different.” The original GW didnt have rideable PC mounts ( NPCs had them) cuz it was so instanced and linear and there was no need for the developers to incorporate them. They made the lore fit the areas they wanted to concentrate on. AND furthermore, yes there would have HAD to be horses in Tyria at some point, otherwise you could have no “centuar”. If theres no horses, its rediculous to have a half-man, half-horse creature. AND its rediculous that horses would somehow have become extinct when there are so many other VERY familiar mammals running around Tyria, ie…cows, pigs, sheep, goats, canines, felines, bears,etc…especially since a horse would have been highly coveted just as they STILL are today. Im not saying we gotta have a horse for a mount, we could ride dolyaks, wolves, bears, leopards. That wolf of Eir Stegalkin’s is big enuff to ride for crying out loud!!! However I would love to have horses. The developers have obviously tweaked the lore to invent new content in the past. Work it into the “lore”. Someone has discovered a herd of wild horses thought to be extinct in some remote location in Tyria. Now we got MOUNTS BABY!!!It could happen!

First off, I want to say that I have not read this entire thread, so dont flame me if something I say is redundant. I am simply posting here because having mounts in this game would be my #1 dream suggestion, and this is the suggestion forum, so i am posting to be heard. Secondly, i will say I love alot about this game. it is so superior to any other MMO out there in alot of ways. BUT….I play MMOs (as Im sure many others do) to immerse myself in a fantasy world I wish i could have actually been a part of (in my case middle age fantasy). I am no pathetic, lifeless nerd, mind you. I have a wife and 4 children, and a wonderfully busy real life. I just want to experience every aspect of that fantasy world as deeply and realistically as possible. What midievil fantasy world could possibly be complete without a hero on his trusted MOUNT? Why walk, when you can ride? Theres a reason why every culture who discovered the benefits of mounted travel and combat abandoned pedestrian lifestyle and became dominant. I get tired of people saying " mounts have no place in GW, because of what?lore I guess?" or “yay, they did it cuz WoW has mounts, and we dont wanna be like WoW” or " it will ruin the game, take away from exporation, or teamwork" or “we have waypoints”. Hogwash to all of that!! We have seen mounts in GW, we see beasts of burden(aka pack animals) all over the world of Tyria, and we even see some mounted heros on some load screen concept art. If we want realism it only stands to reason, if all these beasts are around, no hero in his right mind would be running around when he could be mounted. Waypoints?? Please!!! You can have your waypoints, but a hero would still mount up when exploring , farming or heading into battle to and from said waypoints if given the choice. Besides they are costly and more interruptive than mounts. There is a reason WoW has been such a huge success, I dont care how many of you are wow haters. Even with an outdated game Wow continues to draw people back again and again, because they have figured out how to immerse folks into their world in every aspect, even MOUNTS! Mounts add another level of achievement or goal setting. Mounts add heroism. Mounts add diversity. Mounts add immersion. Mounts WILL add to playerbase and success of this game, cuz some folks JUST FLAT OUT WANT A MOUNT in an MMO!!! The ones who dont will still play this game for all the reasons they already play it. Im not saying everyone should share my opinion, only that the excuses i have seen and heard for not having them are not valid. If you dont want a mount, dont get one. Continue running around afoot. BUT, dont hate on or deprive those of us who thoroughly enjoy them and who think that adding mounts would put an already great game into legendary status.