Guild Wars 2

This game just becomes more of a joke

Subversion.2580:

Truth be told, I wouldn’t change that much. The original conception of WvW still works to a degree, it has just been grossly underdeveloped, malbalanced and left to rot for too long – so long that the developers seem to have lost perspective on the concept.

What I would do comes in a couple of very simple steps. Steps that are visionally simple at least but where implementation may not be as simple.

I would:

1) Get rid of- or greatly reduce the transfer costs to allow the playerbase to reset balance themselves. Overall, GW2 has managed their business model very well. The one exception is WvW, Worlds and transfer costs that leave the WvW community, and only the WvW community, to (no matter how indirect) pay for content. Some players transfer to win others transfer to find an environment that maximizes their particular preference of content and so forth. What they all have in common is that they transfer for reasons tied to content (favourable content, matching content), the system encourages it and that is a deplorable business practise where players essentially pay for the game several times over just to re-access their preferred content.

2) I’m on record here saying that I believe that most of the common issues we rehash and harp on about on this forum (nightcapping, scoring, population imbalance) are all related. This time I am not going to go into detail on how it could be adressed but to solve the problem the developers need to come up with a scoring model that encourages people to spread out (and a business model that allow them to do so).

I am under the impression that creating such a system would solve both A] population imbalance and B] nightcapping (since nightcapping is essentially just a night-time population-imbalance issue – and not an issue were servers to have more compatible off-hour populace that could compete there and thus not make night score slant day score). Furthermore, I believe a balanced scoring system with more equally populated servers and even matchups would lead to more open field fights even if the scoring factor was still primarily tied to siege content (I say that as more of an open field / roaming / guild-level player myself).

3) This would allow for a balanced and self-resetting system that would allow the developers to focus more of their time on easily-implemented content design such as improving the Guild Halls (for guild-level content), rotating more maps (like certain Tank-games) and rewards more in line with the wealth of other game modes (ascended items, unique skins etc.). Rewards that wouldn’t be an issue in a better balanced system.

The current system is not conceptually bad, it is just balanced very badly and managed with poor vision and dubious practise.

You think the player base is going to reset balance themselves? LMAO, the player base is the reason there is so much imbalance. By reducing or eliminating transfer costs you are only going to make it that much worse.

LMAO…this is their attempt to revive WvW?

It’s dead….just like the game

lmao…this has been going on for like 8-9 months now and they are finally aware of it…awesome

Johje Holan.4607:

Lightsbane.9012:

ventusthunder.5067:

yeah but is this going to fix your 0.5 kdr that’s the real question here

you know what? I don’t mind losing to maguuma, but i do mind when you decide to be arrogant about it. you know you have more than three times our numbers and coverage.

know why you win. just as we know why we’re losing.

Don’t sweat it, Mag has always been arrogant. They’re the land of jerks, trolls and misfits. And they’re proud of it. It takes a special kind of person to enjoy life on Mag. But I do always like fighting them, its kind of freeing because I don’t mind trolling them since that’s what they like anyway.

I remember this one time where our zerg chased one of their guilds all the way into the jp, that was funny. Was the only time I got a descent drop from a bag too. Oh and the time they were spawn camping us and we got on our thieves and stealthed out and backstabbed them and threw bali blueprints on them, that was classic.

Fun video too. Wish I’d’ve been there for it.

And this one time, at band camp….

Jeknar.6184:

Well, you can go to one of the Veteran Creature spawns by the daily reset if you want to be a bully to PvE players… In fact, yesterday I killed some dudes who thought it was funny doing that. They didn’t expect to find people who could actually fight back I guess.

And you are just validating my point. I was obviously being a smart*ss with my previous comment but my point is just that. There is pve content in WvW that doesn’t need to be there which brings pve players that have no interest into WvW which creates other players who actually want to play WvW to be qeued out. So my point was if we can have pve in pvp zones then turn about is fair play and let’s put pvp in pve zones and let the uproar begin.

Jeknar.6184:

Devils Toy.9205:

Instead of instilling more pve garbage into WvW how about we just make Auric Basin an open PVP area and let us invade the pve zones for once.

Because you find funny bullying PvE players who have no interest in PvP? This game would degradate even faster if there was open world pvp imo.

Actually yes I do and I also am tired of pve seeping into WvW. If you want to pve then go to a pve map and keep it out of my game mode. The majority of GW2 maps are pve maps so therefore if you want to pve you have many many options to choose from. Those options don’t need to include WvW maps. There is zero reason to bring pve into WvW.

robertjan.2197:

Why weren’t there any jungle wvw maps introduced with HoT. Personally I think a large scale wvw map based on Auric Basin with the different heights would be amazing.

Tarir could e.g. be a city the parties need to capture and defend

Instead of instilling more pve garbage into WvW how about we just make Auric Basin an open PVP area and let us invade the pve zones for once.

perseco.8321:

Nep Leet.5491:

The question asked: Today we are here to ask if you believe Repair Hammers should be introduced as a live beta item?

This is not a “yes, add it” to the game permanently. This is “yes, let’s try this out for a bit first before we vote on whether we want it or not”.

We’re being given the option to try this out first:
Yes, Repair Hammers should be introduced on a trial basis.
After players have had a chance to test repair hammers we will hold a follow-up poll to determine if repair hammers should become a permanent feature of the game.

Speculation on whether this is good or not is just that: speculation. This poll right here is actually giving us the opportunity to try it out before we vote on it definitively.

And yet most people can see the glaring problems with it at face value. Should there be an option to repair siege? Yes. Should it be anything like what was suggested in the poll? No.

Absolutely not. There should not be an option to repair siege. As many have already stated this will only create more siege humping and more stalemates and less fighting which is obviously why a lot of us play WvW. Not to stand outside a tower or keep for 3 hours playing siege wars.

Sweet Sanity.8593:

Dark Jean, much of dr seems to like being paired with mag. You are not the spokesperson for dr.

So far the new pairings have been pretty decent in t4. The 4 server group seems much larger but much of it I think is from people wondering what it would be like to have 4 servers on one team. This is a def step in the right direction

Whaaatttt!! DJ is no longer the princess of DR lol

yes please, by all means, take as much time as you need. The longer we go without these garbage maps the better, I mean unless of course, your intent is to destroy WvW again. And please don’t reply to me telling me the people have voted and obviously wanted the Desert BL’s back, blah blah blah. No we don’t. If people really wanted those stupid maps then where were they when the D BL’s were in play the first time? Everyone was in EB, standing in LA waiting in qeue for EB or playing another game.

Blade Of Gandara.6738:

wow someone have big issues random hater being mean and hating again im so popular.!!! who the kitten are you anyway??? are you related to that devil hater? why all devil ppl names hating me and being mean?

oh yea devils toy go mind your own kitten i wasnt talking to you those reply wasnt for you, and you jump right in out of no where with a bunch of lies and trash to release trying to get attention and attacks me… uhm thats a bad idea it makes you look very stupid just like the other devil idiot that attacked me on the previous thread about the merge thingy….

see what i mean? Maaguma devil attitude right there!!!!! ughh its very mean this idiot forcing ladies to be men… wtf?? who cares anyway? why do you care so much if im a girl or guy? do you want me or something? or wanted to get to know me in real life?? well i dont want to get to know you!! i think you and that other devil person is the same… what happened to your other account??? it got banned? LOLLL

go get a life stop talking trash, lying and insulting other people out of no where… you are just trying to get the thread deleted or closed cause you are one of those jelly haters.. i am not going to reply more about this cause you are not worth it…

hmmm…little do you recall ms. princess of DR…I began my GW2 career on DR so I know all about you. In fact, sad to say, the first guild I was in was kYrO.

Elterzzz.4378:

The real reason why he is complaining is because his server is paired with the most cancerous server in NA. Maguuma. LOL no one wants to be paired with them.

No the real reason is because he can’t ktrain EB and run around calling himself the princess of DR with this linking.

Blade Of Gandara.6738:

About your TS problem thing i also stopped using it since after i got insulted there so no ty

or is it since the time your voice changer stopped working and everyone heard your male voice?

Supernatural Dawn.3194:

Being linked with Mag I avoid [KILL] they will run to orange swords and ignore all PPT. The worst squirrels ever.

lmao, according to the salt forums all we do is pvd

Aeowia.7214:

Devils Toy.9205:

It’s about the blatant disrespect of other guilds, commanders, players that was shown. Over the last few months I saw more and more commanders, guilds not willing to work together, only “taking care of themselves”, “we are here to get our fights and leave, who cares if we lose that keep or garri”, attitude. Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map and those same commanders then not running in public TS but yet wanting to call everyone garbage because they kept getting wiped. People asking for help and certain commanders basically telling them to f off because they only want their fights. And God forbid you bring any of this up in forums. You get laughed at, flamed, etc. All I can say is you reap what you sow and sadly JQ is in a terrible state now because of this. Unfortunately some of these people who created this mess decided to jump ship and go do their thing on other servers instead of staying and be made to suffer with those who did stay. And I commend those who are trying to tough it out. JQ was a good server, with a good community at one time and I know there are many who want that again.

Those were not Jade Quarry, just bandwagon transfers who care about nobody and “just looking for fights”.

Jade Quarry are those who put “realm first”. Just the faithful. Doesn’t matter if one transferred in or was always there: all those loyal to their greater team are Jade Quarry. The rest are not, never were, they are just wanderers; and despite their great help at times, they should not be confused with those who care. Not that I condemn their ways, though as in the example quoted, they can do a great deal of harm to the host server, even if unwillingly… and then move on to the next “victim”. But it’s a valid way of playing the game sadly, because without realm loyalty, a RvR game is meaningless.

“Punishing” the faithful, for these elements, it’s a huge mistake.

Isle of Janthir, our current linked server allies are a great blessing and they can be wholeheartedly considered part of the team, though they were a different realm. But they fight for us and we can depend on them, unlike “fight only” groups that just transit for a while and then move on, doing more harm than good, in the long term. Know your friends, and don’t confuse them with strangers.

We still have many loyal players on other servers, with good reasons to be there; since the game mode became stale and they needed action. Those craving fights, can’t survive for long without. Since the servers are locked, all they can do is pray for us, if they believe in prayers.

No actually a lot of the people I am referring to are not the bandwagoners you are talking about. They are people that have been there from the start. But anyway, I hope things work out for you.

and I 100% agree with you, IOJ is a good community.

Blix.8021:

littlemunster.1059:

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

Yeah, they totally meant they wanted to kill off entire servers with their guild name. Brilliant

Yes, we totally intended to kill the entirety of BG and TC all by ourselves. We just need Mal and his buddies to gather up more guilds and move them away from both BG and TC and we will have succeeded. See, in reality Mal is working for us. He is slowly grabbing up guilds to make TC and BG a barren wasteland

littlemunster.1059:

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

We could argue about that but since most of us think the “we kill TC and BG” thingie is kind of funny (and definitely outdated) now you probably won’t get much argument from us

Doctor Who.2081:

Devils Toy.9205:

And like I said…good luck to you because you have obviously drank the toxic JQ water. If you think KILL was the problem on JQ then I guess you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Take your ball and go home when you get called out with facts and call me toxic Kool-aid drinker when I just called out all of NA prime.

Well folks, Mr. Devil here is why we need to secure JQ’s borders. Let me tell you something, we are going to make JQ so great again. Everytime I hear toxic that wall is getting ten feet higher. #chunk2016

Lmao, what facts would those be? linking waypoints? yea it happened. Is that why JQ is in the state it is in? probably not.

gebrechen.5643:

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ. And of course, as people decided they had enough and left, the crap talking about that person or guild began from these leaders instead of them stepping back and saying “hey we might have a problem here”. Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

These “pillars of community” are still one step ahead of you. Why? Because they are still there. How long are you in contact with human beings that you think that an online community with thousands of players works well for over many years?
JQ never had a “leadership” of any kind. JQ has a forum and ts administrator, a lot of people doing verification for both and a high number of guild leads and members.
And on JQ (as on any server or in any game) people like or dislike each other, people have different opinions, different playstyles and this doesn’t work out well all the time.
The good thing about JQ was the mostly drama free environment back in the days.
You can’t blame people for not going 8 hour raids in an online game. If you can do that, feel free to do, but don’t tell other people they have to work overtime for some totally irrelevant scoring system. No one ever said “Hey guys, you really need to play 12 hours today, because we may lose a garrison”. If you did, almost everyone told you that it was good work or at least a thanks.

Yep, those pillars are still there (and some of the people who created the problems have left so maybe there is some hope), God help you. And if you scroll up a bit I believe I stated it wasn’t about pulling OT.

And you are correct, there are all different play styles that people like to engage in, BUT, when some of your main people don’t give two rat’s butts about the server you get what you got. I didn’t leave JQ because I wanted to, I was one hollering to wait it out and hope things would change but I went where the guild went in the end. And it was done because JQ was no longer a fun place to be.

I have no ill feelings toward JQ and hope things work out for the best for those of you toughing it out.

Doctor Who.2081:

Devils Toy.9205:

Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map.

This is greatness. Kill must have changed a lot since they left JQ.

I seem to remember kill explicitly saying leave this map, need to get full Guild on.

Or how about how yall linking wps saying they were under attack when they weren’t, trying to get pugs to leave to clear queue for your guild.

As I said in previous post… Kill trying to act like a beacon of reason is just hilarious.

And like I said…good luck to you because you have obviously drank the toxic JQ water. If you think KILL was the problem on JQ then I guess you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Doctor Who.2081:

Kill acting like they are the beacon of reason.
This thread is hilarious. Want to know what is wrong with jq ts?

The entire thing is a cringe fest, even this lovely Kill guild. I would have to mute the ts from some thirsty guys salivating at hoping the girls talk to them. The inverse of that is we got girls who all they want is to be the center of attention, since they have never been in real life . Triggerlypuffs. Oh, also going to call one puffball out who tries to sound like a sex talk worker, the affected voice sounds comical. This reiterates the sadness /thirstiness of JQ ts. So, we have some form of social rejects trying to mate with each other. I just want to hear the commander, not these sad mating calls. I honestly can’t tell if I am in a ts for lonely people looking for love or jqbl. It is a coin flip. NA’s prime major guilds need to stop being so cliquey and cringy and maybe new people would come on ts more. The only thing I come on ts for is entertainment. If yall need me, I will be handing out gatorades in eb trying to quench your thirst.

“It’s not us that has the problem, it’s you”….the rally cry of JQ. We see where that has gotten you. Good luck.

Call me biased if you like but I really never heard much of what you are talking about. Maybe I just tuned it out but never really heard much of it. I have been on other servers where I felt like there was too much of this going on (and it was mainly in guild channels, not the main map channels) but can’t really say I heard a ton of it in JQ TS.

jason.9548:

Jq never respected what kazo did for jq eu(not a single na guild ran early) only wai would play mad overtime for us. All the old jq veterans too much drama not enough game play. I see you on db now tho getting farmed.

It’s not even about the OT Jason. It’s about the blatant disrespect of other guilds, commanders, players that was shown. Over the last few months I saw more and more commanders, guilds not willing to work together, only “taking care of themselves”, “we are here to get our fights and leave, who cares if we lose that keep or garri”, attitude. Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map and those same commanders then not running in public TS but yet wanting to call everyone garbage because they kept getting wiped. People asking for help and certain commanders basically telling them to f off because they only want their fights. And God forbid you bring any of this up in forums. You get laughed at, flamed, etc. All I can say is you reap what you sow and sadly JQ is in a terrible state now because of this. Unfortunately some of these people who created this mess decided to jump ship and go do their thing on other servers instead of staying and be made to suffer with those who did stay. And I commend those who are trying to tough it out. JQ was a good server, with a good community at one time and I know there are many who want that again.

Grim West.3194:

All of this discussion about “leadership” on JQ is pointless.

There aren’t enough players in NA anymore to compete. Too many have left the server or the game.

WvW is a numbers game. The team that fields the most players wins. You may think your “leadership” skills are important but you are fooling yourselves.

Unless….this “leadership” are the ones driving people from the server. Granted, Anet has made some (to be politically correct) not so popular decisions that has caused people to leave as well but JQ still had more than enough to hold it’s own. But when you factor in how some people on JQ treated others it became a very toxic situation. The last thing any of us needed was that added on top of some of the decisions that were made in regards to WvW.

When you have people unwilling to work together it becomes very unenjoyable. I can’t tell you the number of times I heard people on EB say “we are outnumbered”, “we are being blobbed down”, blah blah blah when we had an 80 man qeue for EB. First off if you are qeued then you have equal numbers so the ‘we are outnumbered’ argument is laughable. Again, I will say, maybe people should stop and think why it felt like you were outnumbered just as I said earlier that people should stop and think why you have whole guilds up and leaving the server.

Aeowia.7214:

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ […] Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

There are no “so-called leaders”, “pillars of the community”, you mean the TS maintenance people likely, and they do nothing else.
JQ is just the players, without leaders, and you were one of those players. It’s just a game where people play for a while and that’s it.

Maybe that’s the problem, that there are no leaders and nobody was there to assume that role, and “NA” had no spokesperson to answer. Why are some people live in an imaginary world? Role-playing some organization? Nobody has any kind of “power” or any semblance of it, except the commanders when leading… if and when the players are willing to listen. Guilds and players organizing events, yes. But someone responsible for the whole mess or an entire timezone… really? It’s nice to have an Obama to blame, when something goes wrong, isn’kitten

But then that explains your problems, if you expected the TS maintenance people to “lead” the server or answer complaints about the score. You were barking to the wrong tree. There is nobody else, but those who log in and play, the poor pugs and guilds that try to work together somehow. We are all alone… though, we are still JQ — together.

Did I ever mention the TS people? I am not Mance lmao. I could give a rat’s behind about the TS maintenance people. I do care about the fact that we had commanders who refused to use TS which makes it very hard to fight against the blobs we were facing.

But just so there is no misunderstanding about what I’m talking about, there is leadership whether you want to think so or not that plays a big factor in the goals and coordination of the server. And those of us who ever sat through a council meeting knows what a joke it was. It even got to the point that some commanders said screw it and formed their own council.

We can start airing dirty laundry and calling out certain people if you like but that’s not really what I wanted to do on a public forum like this.

gebrechen.5643:

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ. And of course, as people decided they had enough and left, the crap talking about that person or guild began from these leaders instead of them stepping back and saying “hey we might have a problem here”. Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

Synosius.9876:

i hope anet doesnt read this thread and actually think… oh maybe we made a mistake?

the issue jq has isnt lack of players, its why dont the players they do have want to be in wvw?

like rly stop and think about this, the system counts enough players to mark the server as full but doesnt consider how long they spend in wvw or how effective is their organization.

this pairing system is actually pretty smart. if one wanted to play on jq they could just transfer to the guest server. if the guest server becomes over stacked they can be separated.

but still ppl complain that score doesnt matter then lament their lack of coverage. they say everyone else is over stacked while the solution is staring them in the face.

The issue with JQ is/was an internal one…People should sit back and think about why all the guilds that were once the core of JQ have left.

1. Revert to Pre-HOT Alpine Maps
2. Eliminate lower tier servers and allow these players a one time transfer to other servers. DO NOT go to an alliance system. Keep server system intact.
3. Eliminate all pve content from WvW. This is a pvp game mode, there are plenty of other places in the game for pve content.
4. Revert to old upgrade system and get rid of auto waypoints. Those things should be earned which makes people want to defend them which creates better fights.
5. Fix the scoring system.

Yes I want the old WvW maps back

Buy Some Apples.6390:

No one is forcing you into a server, like many other online games, some servers are designated as being full, and so no new players can join that server.

It’s called balancing out populations between servers so no one server becomes the server to win them all!
Which is what exactly has happened in GW2 in regards to WvW population distribution.
Most people bandwagoned to the top 3 servers, leaving the lower servers unable to compete on equal footing.

Yes it’s taken Anet 3 whole years to get their foot out of their kitten , but this mechanism of cutting of a server at a given population should have been in effect since day 1!

If you want to play with your friends in T1, well tough, you should have joined them earlier. If you really are such awesome gaming buddies, why were you on a different server?! If you only just bought the game, tough, you should have bought it sooner.

Join a different server, make new gaming buddies. You did it once, you can do it again. hell why not join a server where you can fight against your friends, add some friendly rivalry into it.

so what you are saying is “screw you new players” you should have started playing sooner. This is definitely the way to keep the game alive.

Luvpie.8350:

Some servers have been taking breaks for last few weeks to try to game the population numbers at launch to go from FULL to very high. Anet can you please make sure servers that are full stay full for atleast a month after launch so new players fill up T2-3. It will help population balance & make people that tried to game the system a little dumb. Win-Win!

Thanks!

Instead, how about you open up all servers so that new players may get into a server they want instead of being “forced” into one. Let’s say I’m a new player, I have no idea about any of the servers so I choose one of the lower tier servers because I don’t know anything about any of them because as I said I’m new. Now, I go into WvW and it is dead. Guess what, I’m going to go play another game. GG Anet, you have my $50 for buying the game but now I am done with you because this appears to be a dead game. The appropriate thing to do would be to consolidate servers and then allow the people from the servers being eliminated a one time free transfer to the server of their choice.