Guild Wars 2

1. Leg Mods should grant more benefits than Dogged March (warrior adept trait), since it is in the master tier.

2. Coated bullets, I would like seem them get rid of the pierce and make it increase the duration of all pistol conds by a 1 or 2 sec. This would make modified ammo a bit more attractive for pistol users.

3. Gadgets need some trait love.

Nike.2631:

…Actually if Rune of the Guardian didn’t work for thieves, then it would be 7 out of 8 (since someone pointed out a suitably round-about way an Necromancer can block once in a blue moon).

But thieves can block… underwater. Nine-tailed strike .

But still, the real question is if you’re concerned about Engineer competitiveness and involvement, why are you wasting 1s & 0s over a bit of FLUFF like the final set bonus on an obscure rune you may never even see, when there are so many other issues to take up torches and pitchforks over?

You make the assumption that we haven’t taken up pitchforks and torches on more serious matters. The reason why we are in this forum about this matter, is because it is an issue related to this update. Check out the Eng forums. By itself this rune is not that big an issue, but taken along with everything else, it feels like one more middle finger to the profession. Imagine how you might feel if your favorite professions is repeatedly excluded by virtue of its nature.

You might not mean it as a deliberate exclusion, but it is an exclusion nevertheless. It is not first time that the Eng has been screwed over more than other prof be virtue of being the Eng. Is there new and interesting rune coming down the pipeline for players who want to use gadgets?

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

JeffHardisty.1926:

Entioch.6594:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

BUURRRRNNN

I dont really care about this new rune but I wil point this out

(6): +5% damage while holding a bundle.

Warriors banners and Elementalists conjure elemental weapons count as bundles, as well as and weapons you can pick up (e.g. planks). Even thieves have a trait that increases bundle damage “Improvisation – Stealing recharges all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks, or deceptions). Deal bonus damage when wielding a bundle” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Environmental_weapon (bundles in other words)

I beleive the point that people are trying to make is that this is the frist rune that can be fully utilized by all classes, but one. Other runes like the Rune of the Soldier can be used by selection of classes, and leave the others out, but no other rune I can think of leaves only one class out like this new one does.

I’ll give you conjured weapons. But, have you ever seen anyone fight with a banner, or any environmental weapons?

And frankly speaking, the rune doesn’t just leave engis out, for example, on a Mesmer, if you’re gonna run a sigil build, prepare to be utterly useless.

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

If its not optimal or anywhere near optimal, why would you use it? Thus it may as well not be an option.

If everyone played by the numbers then you would have a point. But that is not the case, sometimes players pick skills because they like what it does or feel it is fun. Sub-optimal does not mean non-viable, it just means don’t be surprised when number crunchers kick you from the group. which they have every right to do imo.

Put it this way. In the case of engi runes you’re playing a build which gives you something like 10-20% less DPS than an optimal build (did not to the math, but rough figures just put in there for comparison), the reason of which is so that you can proc a 5% damage increase effect. There’s no logic to that.

That assumes that the player is going a for dps build. Toughness and Condition dam could be beneficial for a bunker build which could make use of toolkit and bomb kit. Not everyone plays the same way.

We’re talking about people using environmental weapons like planks and banners to proc the 6th effect on engi runes. Using those is just basically a massive decrease in DPS without any benefits to anything else.

There is no proc, its a weak passive damage increase. As I have said its an option even if its not optimal. On demand aegis will not be an option for eng though it will be for every other profession. More or less saying that other professions not benefiting as much from 6/6 Rune of Eng %5 inc to bundle damage, is same as Eng not being able to have access to aegis on demand at all, is ridiculous especially coming from a Dev.

Its proc when you’re using a bundle. My use of the word is probably a bit off, so apologies for that.

Anyways. Its an option but so is running naked or using weapons 10 levels below you, but doing so would only be gimping yourself and thus no one in their right mind would do so unless he/she is doing in on-purposed to increase the difficulty of an encounter.

I agree, but never the less its an option, I tend not make judgements on how players make use of their time and equipment, unless it directly effects me. But now we are venturing into the realm of hyperbole.

Essentially the issue is that absolute exclusion of one profession from on demand aegis, is being equated with inefficient use of %5 damage on bundles by other professions. Given the strength and rarity of aegis as buff, how can anyone, especially a dev indicate that not being able to utilize one is equivalent to not being able to use the other. Do you honestly believe that not being able to access on demand aegis is comparably to not being able to get full benefit of a % 5 damage inc on bundles?

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

JeffHardisty.1926:

Entioch.6594:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

BUURRRRNNN

I dont really care about this new rune but I wil point this out

(6): +5% damage while holding a bundle.

Warriors banners and Elementalists conjure elemental weapons count as bundles, as well as and weapons you can pick up (e.g. planks). Even thieves have a trait that increases bundle damage “Improvisation – Stealing recharges all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks, or deceptions). Deal bonus damage when wielding a bundle” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Environmental_weapon (bundles in other words)

I beleive the point that people are trying to make is that this is the frist rune that can be fully utilized by all classes, but one. Other runes like the Rune of the Soldier can be used by selection of classes, and leave the others out, but no other rune I can think of leaves only one class out like this new one does.

I’ll give you conjured weapons. But, have you ever seen anyone fight with a banner, or any environmental weapons?

And frankly speaking, the rune doesn’t just leave engis out, for example, on a Mesmer, if you’re gonna run a sigil build, prepare to be utterly useless.

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

If its not optimal or anywhere near optimal, why would you use it? Thus it may as well not be an option.

If everyone played by the numbers then you would have a point. But that is not the case, sometimes players pick skills because they like what it does or feel it is fun. Sub-optimal does not mean non-viable, it just means don’t be surprised when number crunchers kick you from the group. which they have every right to do imo.

Put it this way. In the case of engi runes you’re playing a build which gives you something like 10-20% less DPS than an optimal build (did not to the math, but rough figures just put in there for comparison), the reason of which is so that you can proc a 5% damage increase effect. There’s no logic to that.

That assumes that the player is going a for dps build. Toughness and Condition dam could be beneficial for a bunker build which could make use of toolkit and bomb kit. Not everyone plays the same way.

We’re talking about people using environmental weapons like planks and banners to proc the 6th effect on engi runes. Using those is just basically a massive decrease in DPS without any benefits to anything else.

There is no proc, its a weak passive damage increase. As I have said its an option even if its not optimal. On demand aegis will not be an option for eng though it will be for every other profession. More or less saying that other professions not benefiting as much from 6/6 Rune of Eng %5 inc to bundle damage, is same as Eng not being able to have access to aegis on demand at all, is ridiculous especially coming from a Dev.

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

JeffHardisty.1926:

Entioch.6594:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

BUURRRRNNN

I dont really care about this new rune but I wil point this out

(6): +5% damage while holding a bundle.

Warriors banners and Elementalists conjure elemental weapons count as bundles, as well as and weapons you can pick up (e.g. planks). Even thieves have a trait that increases bundle damage “Improvisation – Stealing recharges all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks, or deceptions). Deal bonus damage when wielding a bundle” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Environmental_weapon (bundles in other words)

I beleive the point that people are trying to make is that this is the frist rune that can be fully utilized by all classes, but one. Other runes like the Rune of the Soldier can be used by selection of classes, and leave the others out, but no other rune I can think of leaves only one class out like this new one does.

I’ll give you conjured weapons. But, have you ever seen anyone fight with a banner, or any environmental weapons?

And frankly speaking, the rune doesn’t just leave engis out, for example, on a Mesmer, if you’re gonna run a sigil build, prepare to be utterly useless.

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

If its not optimal or anywhere near optimal, why would you use it? Thus it may as well not be an option.

If everyone played by the numbers then you would have a point. But that is not the case, sometimes players pick skills because they like what it does or feel it is fun. Sub-optimal does not mean non-viable, it just means don’t be surprised when number crunchers kick you from the group. which they have every right to do imo.

Put it this way. In the case of engi runes you’re playing a build which gives you something like 10-20% less DPS than an optimal build (did not to the math, but rough figures just put in there for comparison), the reason of which is so that you can proc a 5% damage increase effect. There’s no logic to that.

That assumes that the player is going a for dps build. Toughness and Condition dam could be beneficial for a bunker build which could make use of toolkit and bomb kit. Not everyone plays the same way.

Daishi.6027:

If your an Engie why do you feel you need toughness, condi reduction and aegis on demand?

Lol…

bunker build?

Phineas Poe.3018:

Dharknite.7906:

3. A Guardian can benefit from Swiftness duration and on heal proc.

You’re right. What was I thinking? Of course 6/6 Rune of the Centaur is such a popular choice for Guardian builds. Almost as popular as 2/2/2 Hoelbrak/Fire/Strength is for +60% Might Duration on Necromancers.

You seem to be missing the point. Popularity is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Despite 6/6 Centuar not being popular or optimal a guardian has the option to use 6/6 on heal proc, all classes do. With swiftness on demand readily available, centaur is not an optimal option but it is an option. You continue bring up a % duration inc, when the issue at hand is a on demand proc. The only other proc on ability rune set that is exclusionary is Rune of Soldier, shout cleans condition. Given the fact that all professions have a few ways to cleanse themselves, its not that big of deal.

Aegis is a fairly strong ability and access to it is limited to a few classes under specific conditions. Only one profession in the game can use aegis on demand. The Rune now gives aegis on demand to all professions but one. Swiftness( a fairly accessible buff) on heal via Centaur rune while not optimal for every profession is a option. Aegis (a fairly inaccessble buff) on signet use is not even option for the engineers to persue.

Not forgotten, just not the same issue. What profession is excluded from using weapon swap sigils, aside from eng and ele at launch? Also weapon swap sigils have icd to prevent engs from do anything really nasty. There is a difference between something being optimal and something being optional. Weapons swap sigils while not optimal for all professions, they are optional for all professions. Tying a rune proc to signet use it not optional for all professions.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

just as a point I believe 3 classes have access to shouts (warriors, guardians, and rangers who everyone forgets)

Lol, you are right, poor Rangers.

Xae Isareth.1364:

Dharknite.7906:

Xae Isareth.1364:

JeffHardisty.1926:

Entioch.6594:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

BUURRRRNNN

I dont really care about this new rune but I wil point this out

(6): +5% damage while holding a bundle.

Warriors banners and Elementalists conjure elemental weapons count as bundles, as well as and weapons you can pick up (e.g. planks). Even thieves have a trait that increases bundle damage “Improvisation – Stealing recharges all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks, or deceptions). Deal bonus damage when wielding a bundle” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Environmental_weapon (bundles in other words)

I beleive the point that people are trying to make is that this is the frist rune that can be fully utilized by all classes, but one. Other runes like the Rune of the Soldier can be used by selection of classes, and leave the others out, but no other rune I can think of leaves only one class out like this new one does.

I’ll give you conjured weapons. But, have you ever seen anyone fight with a banner, or any environmental weapons?

And frankly speaking, the rune doesn’t just leave engis out, for example, on a Mesmer, if you’re gonna run a sigil build, prepare to be utterly useless.

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

If its not optimal or anywhere near optimal, why would you use it? Thus it may as well not be an option.

If everyone played by the numbers then you would have a point. But that is not the case, sometimes players pick skills because they like what it does or feel it is fun. Sub-optimal does not mean non-viable, it just means don’t be surprised when number crunchers kick you from the group. which they have every right to do imo.

Phineas Poe.3018:

Dharknite.7906:

There are runes that will clearly benefit certain armor types more so than others and state so in the name( Rune of the Soldier, etc.) There are runes that benefit specific professions and state so in the name (Rune of Ranger etc.) I do not think that is problem.

I do think it is a problem when they add a new rune that the requires a signet to use the 6pc bonus, and engineer don’t have signets. With the exception of Rune of Soldier(which oddly enough gives the most benefit to soldier classes), runes that have a skill use proc use either heal skills or elite skills which every profession has. An on demand aegis can be a good defensive tool, and depending on cooldown of the proc, OP for players who use mulitple signets already.

Shout runes aren’t the only ones. If you cannot self-stack Might, Might Duration runes are useless to you. It increases the duration of Might that you apply, not those from your allies. The same goes for any boon runes. Rune of the Forge is one of the best runes available in WvW for a FT Engineer. Increased Protection from Protection Injection, increased burning, and an AoE Fire Blast. It’s pretty useless for most others.

The same can be said for a lot of condition duration runes. Would any Guardian grab 2 Runes of the Centaur for +15% Bleed Duration? Of course not. There are a ton of runes in this game that are outright useless for certain classes. For once we’re on the receiving end of it, after already having made excellent use of one of the most recent additions: Rune of Perplexity.

Overblown.

1. Every class has the ability via skills or traits to grant themselves might.

2. Classes the can benefit Rune of Forge both protection and burning duration are Eng, Ele ,Ranger ,Guardian and Necro . All classes can benefit from the 6pc fire blast + protection.

3. A Guardian can benefit from Swiftness duration and on heal proc.

4. Every class can benefit from confusion on hit and every class has an interrupt.

Solider runes are the only runes in-game. that have an on ability use proc that not every class can use. Every other an ability use proc is a heal or elite, which every class has. The option for 2 professions to clear one condition using a method that no other classes have, is not really an issue since every class several condition classes. How many classes have an on demand aegis? one. Now every class but engs have that option. That you can compare +% duration anything to on demand aegis is kinda funny imo.

Not overblown, especially when taken in aggregate with the other unique issues that engineers deal with.

edit: I don’t think every class has to every rune set to 100% efficiency, but this is a fairly strong proc to be excluded from.

Pifil.5193:

Dharknite.7906:

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

And using the 6 piece bonus of Rune of the Warrior (-1 second on weapon swap) or Rune of the Soldier (shouts remove conditions) aren’t options either. However, other professions cannot use certain Runes either so it’s not an actual problem it’s just the way the game is designed: not every profession will be able to use every Rune (or Sigil for that matter).

True, but Engineers are not Warriors, nor or they a Soldier class profession. Those runes are specifically labeled Warrior and Soldier, I would think it is fairly obvious who those runes are intended for.

As for the non profession/class named runes, I have no problem with them not being optimal for ever class. I do have problem a no profession/class named rune set with a fairly strong on demand proc excludes a profession.

Imagine if there was a new rune set called Rune of of the Fast Hands, which had a proc that gave quickness whenever a gadget was used. Would you think the other professions unjustified in taking issue with the exclusion?

Xae Isareth.1364:

JeffHardisty.1926:

Entioch.6594:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

BUURRRRNNN

I dont really care about this new rune but I wil point this out

(6): +5% damage while holding a bundle.

Warriors banners and Elementalists conjure elemental weapons count as bundles, as well as and weapons you can pick up (e.g. planks). Even thieves have a trait that increases bundle damage “Improvisation – Stealing recharges all skills of one type (venoms, signets, traps, tricks, or deceptions). Deal bonus damage when wielding a bundle” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Environmental_weapon (bundles in other words)

I beleive the point that people are trying to make is that this is the frist rune that can be fully utilized by all classes, but one. Other runes like the Rune of the Soldier can be used by selection of classes, and leave the others out, but no other rune I can think of leaves only one class out like this new one does.

I’ll give you conjured weapons. But, have you ever seen anyone fight with a banner, or any environmental weapons?

And frankly speaking, the rune doesn’t just leave engis out, for example, on a Mesmer, if you’re gonna run a sigil build, prepare to be utterly useless.

I think you are focusing on the wrong O word. You are talking the about the fact that its not optimal for players to use a banner or environmental weapons in fight. Its not optimal for mesmers to run a build based on signets, but in both cases those options that players are free to follow. Utilizing the 6pc bonus on Rune of Resistance (on demand Aegis) is not even option for engineers.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Shall we give Kits to all other professions so they can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer?

Probably not the best counter argument to make since Mages, Warriors and Thieves (via steal) have ready access to bundles. Heck, any player who picks up so much as rock in-game can properly utilize Rune of the Engineer. Not that 5% damage increase is all the helpful for anyone, including engineers.

Engineers can’t pick up signets and properly utilize Rune of Resistance.

There are runes that will clearly benefit certain armor types more so than others and state so in the name( Rune of the Soldier, etc.) There are runes that benefit specific professions and state so in the name (Rune of Ranger etc.) I do not think that is problem.

I do think it is a problem when they add a new rune that the requires a signet to use the 6pc bonus, and engineer don’t have signets. With the exception of Rune of Soldier(which oddly enough gives the most benefit to soldier classes), runes that have a skill use proc use either heal skills or elite skills which every profession has. An on demand aegis can be a good defensive tool, and depending on cooldown of the proc, OP for players who use mulitple signets already.

The Quaggan is in the open world at the pact camp Kessex hills. Hearing the Quaggan freak is quite interesting

I would like to see a Hammer that focus more on the Cold/Frost magic side of being a Necro and is actually a melee weapon as opposed to up close ranged. I would also like to see an off-hand axe.

An number of things made want to play Sylvari.
1. They are plant people which is different than your typical race.

2. They are curious by nature and want to discover the world around them, I have background in science.

3. I find the Nightmare Court vs Pale Tree conflict interesting. While they do things others consider evil, they believe they are doing what’s best for the race. And let’s face it, holding a whole race to teachings written down by individual none of them have ever met is a bit stifling. Kinda like small plants have trouble growing when huge trees block the sunlight with canopy, one could argue that Ventari’s tablet hinders the Sylvari’s growth as a race.

4. Caledon Forest is an awesome looking starting zone, and Rowanwood in the north is probably one of the most beautiful areas i have seen in a game in a long time.

5. I agree with Ojimaru.8970 about the music. Its probably the reason I always port there to craft.

I would like to see Anet them develop the Slyvari story more in terms of the Soundless, and the Harbinger personal story line if you chose “Where life goes, so should you” when making a character.

While playing the game and exploring the world I have seen a few bundles that I would like to see added to Eng repertoire at some point. I was curious if others Engineers saw bundles like kits.

I would like to have a Sonic Gun bundle based off the Dredge weapons, and the electric gun like one used in Lornar’s Pass.

Here is a tip for Static Shield. The block still works will moving and you can shot while the block is active. So you can run and gun while blocking projectiles.