Guild Wars 2

Haro.6758:

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Ohhh Mance! Is keeping that mesmer also one of your 20+ years policy?

/wink

Gilgamesh.7364:

&coming into leagues BG was the underdog as stated by both SoR and JQ before Week 1.

Care to bring up those posts? I’d love to see your claims justified. :P

DKNS.2135:

Why did you even start then? You saw that no one came to defend the Garrison and yet you continued to PvDoor until you had the entire map under control (according to you) and only then you logged off. Basically, you only logged off early because you took most of the stuff and there wasn’t anything left to do,

How are we supposed to know if there’s no one defending before we start? :/

DKNS.2135:

It’s like saying “I hate Ice-cream and would never eat it” after emptying the whole store lol.

We were expecting fights, in a timezone where BG clearly has enough guilds to offer battles across all maps (LP, ND, MERC, sometimes KnT, ZDs, and other guilds I may have forgotten to mention). I have no idea why they didn’t show up yesterday. As for the analogy, it’s more like, I wanted to eat ice-cream but the store wasn’t offering yesterday (and only yesterday) so we flipped the store searching. I do hope we can get some ice-cream today.

DKNS.2135:

And if you weren’t surprised by BG taking back the undefended stuff why QQ about it then?

I meant no QQ, just stating the obvious observation…

Gilgamesh.7364:

Ahh I see now. So SoR isn’t winning because all they get to do is PvDoor… Thanks for clarifying that.

PvD for 30 mins vs. PvD for ~4 hours between SEA and EU. Congratulations, BG wins this round.

DKNS.2135:

You decide to log off early yourselves leaving your stuff undefended and then you were surprised BG took it back?

I’m not surprised, since that is all BG do these days.

DKNS.2135:

And you say BG weren’t coming out to fight? So you were PvDoor’ing then? You expect yourself to PvD but when someone else does it, they are the worst of the worst WvW players, amirite?

Yes we were pretty much PvD’ing last night in BG BL and Mag BL. We erroneously made orange crosses on BG garrison on the outer gate and thought we would be punished, but no one came to defend it. Then we proceeded to take everything pretty much undefended, and that’s exactly why we decided to log early, because it got boring. Is that concept really that hard to grasp for you? o.O

I hate PvDoor’ing and if that is all we get to do I’d transfer off.

Rebound.3409:

This ^

All in all… even tho we beat SoR pretty convincingly, having a server like SoR fall like this (mentally) is NOT good for T1 matches. Nobody wants that….not BG..not JQ. We want good matches not bad ones.

Hope they get back on their feet and atleast put a good fight with JQ.

SoR isn’t falling (even mentally), just that when you know your stuffs will be capped whenever you log (in my case, ZDs right after SEA), it is hardly worth the effort of upgrading/sieging simply because we don’t have enough people to fight against them.

Look at yesterday: our SEA took the entire BG BL and Maguuma BL, and BG SEA weren’t coming out to fight. So we decided to log off a little bit early, then boom – BG takes all without resistance.

Kiff.8157:

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BP isn’t a SEA guild… Probably why you never heard of them.

Anywho, I’m not going to keep posting about stuffs you clearly don’t know. You wouldn’t change your mind anyway.

DKNS.2135:

From what your post for a better WvW explained, you mean to tell me that right now it’s SoR’s off hours lol?

I mean, from your post, you want to decrease the points other servers get during their primetime which is what your plan will do and reduce the losses servers take during their off hours.

What he’s suggesting is, instead of ticks of 15 minutes, change it to whenever someone successfully take a camp/tower/keep (or defend/kill people), points will be added. It would discourage people doing small ops during off-time though, since if A server doesn’t cap anything, B server won’t get any points, and the scores will be pretty close (or actually exactly the same if some structure gets flipped back and forth).

DKNS.2135:

SOR +95. BG +520

ZDs fighting doors.

Kiff.8157:

Nah…you were from DB.

If SONG moved because BG was dominating SEA and dominating seems not a good thing, DB was dominating SEA in their tier before they losing guilds and then SONG decided to transferred off. I guess dominating SEA at that time means a good thing to you huh?

BP as the guild… Shows how you want to bash others without doing any actual research.

Also your logic needs some serious help. DB was dominating SEA in T2, so SONG moved to help SoR SEA. I don’t know what didn’t match with what I said before.

Ah, so I get the mindset of a few BG people now. For all those deciding to transfer to BG – please do ask for them to pay 100% of your transfer fees.

@ Kiff: I’m not from NNK or TFV. But stir up drama? If those haven’t transferred here, BG would probably still dominate SEA. I guess that’s what you want, huh? Domination instead of good guilds to fight against.

@ Jon: 300ish in their roster? Not very sure about how many transferred here, but according to some EU friends they could field 2 30-40 men groups on 2 BLs back in the days.

Edit: I’ll just say I was from BP, but decided to move to SoR during the summer when both JQ and BG dominated the period I play in.

JaredKincade.9761:

Before I start let me clarify something that people like to forget. I can’t speak for all servers, but I know enough about what’s going on BG to know that BG has never ever given more than the cost of a guild to move. In fact, I know of no particular case where it was more than 50% of the moving costs. In ZDs case, it was much much less. So for the definition of helping guilds move, or “buying” I’m talking about 50% or less than the guild cost to move.

50% is a lot of money, especially for a large guild like ZDs. If they moved 100 members (which I know for sure it is an underestimation) here, it’ll be a little bit under 3000G? Isn’t that buying, if you’re not hoping that they will return the money? I mean, most of the WvW’ers can make enough gold to transfer themselves at least a few times.

May I ask who our supposedly “mass and secret recruitment”s are? :P

Mance.5640:

SoR scouts you should also consider TC along with Mag/SoS, I am guesting over on TC this week and their wvw community is very fun and stress free.

Mance! You still haven’t answer my question.

Agh, so ZDs et al. capped our EB keep after our SEA guilds log off. Please don’t tell me they aren’t causing any imbalance.

I’m not sure what BG ultimately want anymore. Balanced fights? Work hard to win? Or just faceroll opponents? At the moment all you are getting is simply wins. I guess some people consider winning = fun, but I’m sure I don’t want to become one of them.

Fun fights in EB tonight! Awesome SoS 30-men group that tries to steal Aldon’s and Durios when BG and SoR are fighting in SM. :P

I really do hope ZDs can field more during SEA time to show us their true strength, instead of capping everything after our SEA logs off.

Maelwaedd.5842:

but working with our militia is 100% why BG has won its matches so far

Naaah, it’s definitely because of the Vodka.

Kiff.8157:

“Few ZDs in bay and they started the raid after defending bay” do they sound any different to you? Did I say that is 10 ZDs? Clearly I was being sarcastic. Again, I would like to remind you, I said few ZDs when we were defending bay. I hope you get the sequence now.
Since you kept asking, your servermate mentioned there were 4 borderlands queued during SEA prime. False statement?

Like I stated, I know exactly how many people we’ve got… I’m interested in how many people you think we’ve got.

What statement?

Kiff.8157:

They look very red?
I get it now. 10 enemies are considering a lot to SOR SEA. 10 SOR = very few. Am I right?
I will try to screenshot but actually you can flip a few pages like page 11? There is a screenshot of sor map blob and a real ZDs group which you can call that a lot I don’t mind, like 20-30 of them?

The screenshot I posted is 10? :/

I’m not very interested in EU, since that is way beyond the official SEA prime time that you and I can play (so per you claim). Our SEA however, I know exactly how many are on the field, and I’d like to know what numbers you think we have.

Kiff.8157:

Oh really, I thought I said there was few around and we held bay? The picture clearly showed ‘after’ we defended. Hell yeah, they started to rally.
Should I post a picture of HOD WVW way back during TA era and tell HOD gosh darn you all, you guys are so stacked.

Your “a few” is clearly different from mine. That’s not something I can change…

Anyway, I’ve always wanted to know what our SEA guilds look like in the eyes of enemies. Can you please take screenshots later tonight? Also, if you could add your estimation about our numbers it would be awesome.

Arcade.8901:

SoR keep posting that screen for like what, 4th time already ? Anyway check the minimap and the green dots around, you had the same numbers, the only thing you are failed into is gathering and push, but that is all about fights right? Better to log off and try to whine on forums.

I was simply asking whether it was that day or not…

Maelwaedd.5842:

lmao are you still posting stuff from last weeks game plz try and use a pic from this week, you may not play in the timezone so unable to post accurate pics or you are just drinking down that kool-aid and believing whatever lie SoR’s propaganda machine is trying to tell everyone

Read, please, at the entire story and my previous posts. You may want to delete this post later.

Kiff.8157:

Few ZDs around and one of them tagged up, leading the pugs with no one on TS we held bay and started to raid the north part. There was still 1 hour before SEA prime time ended. Soon we capped one of the north towers knowing the next target would be garrison, SONG/NYS and the whole map zerg logged off leaving only few pugs in garrison holding it.

You mean this one? Yeah, it was quite a few. :P

Edit: Didn’t know there’s an official SEA prime time end. I suggest all SEA guilds log off at exactly the same time.

Kiff.8157:

uh…JQ MERC? or IRON/KISS who run 40+ with map blob in a timezone which they destroy any structure without great resistance?

Anyways, I play OCX and SEA too. Our SEA players go offline by midnight but some guilds they are willing to stay late and contribute. Is it our fault that your SEA players do not want to stay late during the league and because of that we should not get any guild? Whatever, just saying, I used to see whole NYS and SONG running in midnight.

BG had superior OCX comparing to JQ and SoR. Now that OCX is a little bit more balanced between JQ and BG, you’re saying they’ve overstacked?

BG always had EU guilds before IRON.

I never said it was your fault that our SEA cannot play longer. I wish they could. But considering we had a very close week 1, do you still think you need to ask ZDs to join?

SONG came to SoR at the end of June. They’ve never run past midnight for more than 10 times. I’m +8 by the way, not sure if you’re +10 or something. NYS is just a group of drunks.

Kiff.8157:

I dont see exactly correct ZDs filling up an empty gap cuz at some point, it is not that empty, some SOR SEA are used to play until 1am and that is exactly 2 hours after zds start their raiding. no resistance? absurd, it only happens if SOR SEA decide to change their schedule. Whom to blame again? BG? Brilliant. So BG is now your mommy with responsibility to ask you when to go to bread?

If JQ is allowed to stack their ocx/sea and SOR NA(remember WARD? I bet you dont), give me a reason why BG is not allowed to have a russian guild? and you know what, I think in your mindset, BG is not allowed to have any guild.

SoR’s SEA always had a sharp decline in numbers after midnight. By sharp, I mean at least 60%. That was since summer. I know that how? Because I play SEA every day, and I log off when everyone logs off.

That comparison is flawed. Every server in T1 has SEA and NA, it’s only a question of filling 4 maps or 3 (or maybe 2, in the case of SEA). However, I am pretty certain that no server in NA can field a 40-men Russian guild in that time slot except ZDs. They could possibly be the ONLY decent-size Russian guild on any NA server, which means they can attack any structure without a guild group opposing against them.

Gilgamesh.7364:

SoR is much worse when it comes to PvF, as you can tell from the passed 11 pages.

Ah, so BG are PvF champions? :P

Trolling aside, you and I are contributing the same amount to the past 11 pages.

Gilgamesh.7364:

When SoR finishes 1st all their forum warriors come out and chest thump.

When SoR finishes 2nd they QQ and blame BG for stacking.

As if BG doesn’t do the same.

Sird.4536:

Can I get a list of the EU guilds in this league and what server they are on and future potential transfers.

Do Russians count? If so:

BG: Coin, HB, RK and ZDs(they’ve stated they’re leaving in the future, possibly at the end of Season 1)
JQ: None that I know of, could be wrong though.
SoR: IRON and AFTL

I don’t think any server else has any decent-sized EU guild that is WvW-focused.

Norr.7680:

Evidently the Russians are gods among us and scared an entire server into oblivion…..

Pretty much. Tell ZDs to join SoR and you’ll see the effect.

Garet Jax.1609:

This is my first time posting on forums, even if i always come here to have some fun reading. But this time i seriously want to give my 2cents.

I have been on SoR since release and it has always been amazing. What’s going on now? I understand not playing for points, which i do as well (i barely look at the score until friday and honestly dont care about winning: have fun > win), but at least we should be out there fighting, don’t you think? Because owning literally 2 camps and 2 towers and nothing else during certain timezones means there is no one out there fighting. From what i have seen (feel free to correct me) this is going beyond having a small coverage: sometimes i log in and see literally 10 people on ts and a maximum of 20 people on the battlefield, trying to hold against bg map blobs when everyone else seem to have given up. And when this happen i see my guild members, as well as other wvw guilds members, doing PvE… i have nothing against PvE, but you cant just do that when your server NEEDS you out there fighting.

To sum up: It’s ok that we dont fight for points, but we should AT LEAST be out there fighting ( and i’m seeing literally NO ONE in certain timezones, and while this happens i see WvWers do PvE)

As i said i’ve been on SoR since release, and it’s been amazing, but for the first time i’m seriously considering a transfer. Is there no pride on this server anymore?

The only timezone we don’t have a decent amount of people on TS is SEA. Our Asians guilds use their own voice comm since they don’t really speak English. Other than that, I can’t think of any timezone when we would only have 10 people on TS.

insy.7083:

thx for fights
our blob looks like
okay_face

This is what your blob looks like.

Reslinal.2359:

Elano.2014:

Reslinal.2359:

Hmm..I just read it again, do you mean the PVX guild since that seems to be the only mentioned. What time zone is that guild and how big it is, sorry I never seen the guild before:)

I was talking about Titan’s guild.

Eh? Titan has been on BG for quite a while, way before League starts if I remember….And i thought that post about Titan was just trolling…

Go read his original post before asking any more questions please. You’ve got to keep yourself informed to stay competitive and survive in teh PvF battle…

Reslinal.2359:

Hmm..I just read it again, do you mean the PVX guild since that seems to be the only mentioned. What time zone is that guild and how big it is, sorry I never seen the guild before:)

I was talking about Titan’s guild.

Reslinal.2359:

But my question is since some of your SoR have been claiming that BG got more guilds than ZD which I am completely unaware of, can some SoR provide some clear answer as to what guilds are they, what timezone they play and how big are they etc?

Read page 2 again, it’s already answered. :/

Zikory.6871:

Elano.2014:

but maybe they can start earlier to fight SoR SEA? Or start later to fight SoR EU? Instead of playing in the transition of SEA -> EU, when there’s almost no one to fight against.

Interesting request since the IRON members have said they are unwilling to do so them selves. Why should ZDs adjust there schedule?

I know the request is a bit unrealistic. :P But it’s a way to improve their gaming experience if SoR side cannot make any adjustments.

Bash.7291:

Seriously though, this is pathetic. BG got one guild who once again, WAS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED, and SoR throws a kitten-fit.

A leader of ZDs said someone from BG approached them prior Leagues. Nevertheless, you’ve got to admit it is pretty normal to “cry”, because we had such an amazing week last week, and a game-changer like ZDs could destroy it. I’m not saying we don’t welcome organized groups and the competition they bring, but maybe they can start earlier to fight SoR SEA? Or start later to fight SoR EU? Instead of playing in the transition of SEA -> EU, when there’s almost no one to fight against.

Bash.7291:

I can’t count the number of times that SoR has said “we are in it for the fights, not for the points” then why does it matter who is winning or losing to you guys, get out there and freaking fight. It is even worse that you blame this one guild, despite the fact that the turnaround in points happened even before they came over.

We are in for the fights, and are still fighting every day, which can be evidenced by the PPT in some of the time-zones in which we can actually form a force.

HolyMolla.6582:

OMG SOR WITH ALL THESE QQs.
Cry more. Make more excuses.
Timezone? Russia is like 1~2 hour early than EU?
We in the United States, there is a EST and PST.
They are 3 hours different.
And IRON guys, why didnt ZDs went to lower EU server?
Why didnt IRON went to lower EU server?
SOR had a good ride with IRON when they 1st came to SOR.
WHY cry now? cause SOR cant get easy PPT on EU timezone anymore? <—Very TRUE.

Just last week, SOR was like BG sux, BG no longer T1 server.
More cry. It makes your server even more weaker.

It’s currently 10pm in Moscow, and 6pm in London, 7 in most parts of Western Europe. So I guess, a 4 hours difference? :/

Mayoken.9851:

So…. i came home to start reading the last 10 pages on this thread…
Guess what? It’s all the same kitten xD
Stop crying and do something about it. Bad coverage? Have a server meeting.
Guilds getting demoralized? Amp up and kittening fight.

BG was doing good and kicking kitten before ZD joined, so, come up w/ another excuse.

Things were getting interesting when BG started closing the ~15k gap on Monday. I believe most of us on SoR were excited to see what BG would bring us. But then ZD joined, which meant our EU couldn’t use the advantage of our SEA anymore, which is pretty much the turning point.

PS. Nice to see you again Mayoken XD

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Oh yeah no we totally do, its just that 20-30 mixed tags cant compete with 50-60+ guild groups. Where as we’ve legitimately seen guild groups run from our larger mixed tag groups this week. The given example earlier was just SoR pulling off to defend bay, and we even made that clear in the mumble.

I never knew we have a 50-60+ guild group. o.O

Neuromancer.2148:

Elano.2014:

May I ask how many people ZDs is running in SoR BL right now? It seems like 40-50, and around 60 with the casuals. Can anyone confirm?

Around 50. SONG and some other guilds were on SoR earlier but I don’t know where they went.

SONG had 15, and while I can’t speak for the other group, I doubt we had more than 40 in total. Unfortunately it’s getting pretty late for SONG and they had to log off.

Congratulations on taking our garrison when there’s pretty much no one defending, I guess. :/

May I ask how many people ZDs is running in SoR BL right now? It seems like 40-50, and around 60 with the casuals. Can anyone confirm?

Mance.5640:

“Anyways, as you are winning, i expect you to be fighting in the open field instead of behind towers, without having to field 2x numbers + siege.”

I am confused. Is [IRON] fighting [TW] ? I thought you guys were on the same server?

Did you take care of that mesmer of yours? :O
(Sorry if this seems completely random but I just thought I could ask since it’s the first thing that came across my mind when I see your name.)

HolyMolla.6582:

Last time when BG had superior OCX/SEA coverage vs SOR, and BG was winning this timezone, SOR blamed their OCX/SEA coverage. I believe Indo told their SEA guilds to
stop playing.
Now it’s your turn IRON.
Welcome to SOR blame game.

SoR never blamed their OCX/SEA coverage, nor did Indo tell us to stop playing.

I believe you are believing what you want to believe.

Liquid.9672:

No guilds? SONG, SAHP and NYS can’t stay up a bit later to hand off to IRON, AFTL, KISS and WIC (how come nobody mentions the WIC transfer to SoR?). Surely there are enough commanders across these guilds to run other players on the map through these zones. I know many BG NA commanders and players have been playing more often and longer to help hand offs into OCX and beyond. Our SEA has been hit hard with SUPR moving to SBI and our Thai friends having ISP problems, so LP has barely been able to play this week or at all.

SONG/SAHP/NYS almost never do overtime, except only a handful of times where they started maybe an hour earlier but still ended at the usual time. The thing with BG is that they often pull overtime (as you stated yourself), whereas only a few commanders on SoR would do that. It’s pretty admirable to be honest.

Liza.2758:

who the hell u fought in EU ? HB RK ? 10 man raid that play half of the week ?

Liza.2758:

yes now but there were no blobing guild like IRON

You pretty much answered your own question.

Liza.2758:

it’s even more BS when it came from IRON mouth.

who the hell u fought in EU ? HB RK ? 10 man raid that play half of the week ?

Are you online right now? Isn’t BGBL queueing for BG? :/

Butter.3024:

What are you trying to say? IRON doesn’t karma train?

Shifty’s trying to say, if you think that was karma train, then obviously you haven’t been to our non-official-karma-train-night on Friday.

Nikola.3841:

Shifty.4985:

I think, you, you need maths lessons aswell :/
Dont worry JQ will hold your hand throughout and even pay for you

I actually paid to move away from JQ, but keep trying

Can I pay you to go back to JQ? =D

These are all the possible outcomes before the start of week 7, assuming no comebacks are made in the next ~7 hours. Please do state any mistake.

Also, thanks to BG and JQ for the show and the bags this week!

Unrealskillz.6210:

SoR or JQ should never complain about anything. You have such stacked numbers during anything but NA timezone you guys should be ashamed of even thinking of complaining.

I take it that you are from BG? This was posted by Ascii a few pages back.

JQ could queue 4 maps during SEA time before the league started, imagine what their queue is now. :/

Zero.5034:

lol i didn’t say help him, I said provide actual proof of him doing the act you all claim of him. Provide proof of him in the act and we can get him gkicked and reported. If you provide proof of him in the act i’ll personally take it the guild leader of SG. Simple as that, don’t speculate on what “he might have done because he was there” show us proof that he portaled a JQ zerg inside or destroyed siege/killed guards inside and i’ll bring it to SG to make sure it gets taken care of. We don’t like being accused of exploiting any more then the rest of you. That’s why I’m not blaiming entire servers for the misdeeds on an individual. I’m calling out the HL commander that exploited our NW tower 4 times, and the BG mesmer that took an omega on a joyride through our walls at NE tower, that’s it.

Anyone can glitch into that tower with a simple leap skill.

As for that BG mesmer, even BG people are trying to ban him.

Zero.5034:

HAHAHAH!!! so in your first post you clearly state that there are multiple people on TS SAYING how easy it is to exploit, then you use that exploit to clear our siege, and now you’re denying that you exploited? WOW! all within 2 posts lol so glad to see the integrity of your guild =) you don’t even deny that you exploit, you’re amazing never change <3

You’ve got to get the timeline straight.

A few bugged in → People on TS saying how easy it is.