Guild Wars 2

If Mag is focusing on YB, DB can either hit YB as well and take easy points (since YB were focusing on Mag as well), or hit Mag and take easy points (since Mag has little to no defenders). I’d say both tactics are equally adequate and DB can make any choice.

Does it mean you’re afraid of DB when you’re focusing on YB? Probably not. Exactly my point. Plus, why would someone be afraid of something on teh Intrawebz? :O

Edit: No one knows if you’re the real WäR guild lol, and I’ve seen lots of WAR guilds on pretty much every server we’ve faced.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

While that may have been true by a margin of no more than +15 points DB did not have a foothold on EBG or MAG BL in our respective areas. In fact your Zerg kept running into the dredge or towards anzalias because you were afraid to engage us.

It’s a 3-server game. I wouldn’t call that afraid, just choosing a side to attack, because splitting up = getting wiped on 2 fronts (most of the time). It’s the same thing as you choose to attack DB. Are you afraid of YB? Probably not.

SmoothHussler.6387:

So the guy wanted a challenge and went to the JQ of tier 3? lol

Mag happened to be on our way to T2, sorry for stomping you.

Grats on flipping on a Monday afternoon. ^^

Score update:

DB: 120,041 +550
YB: 53,607 +110
Mag: 50,082 + 35

DeadlyRush.1620:

Is that the quote? I do not see the word gold in my sentence.

Just from an outsider’s view, there’s a gold in your sentence, right between the word “word” and “in”.

Erm, it’s Saturday…

All I see is our NA guilds working together though, don’t think we’ve got a lot SEA players online.

I thought it’s 3pm est. Is that still nightcapping to you? :O

How do Maguumans build a treb in the safe zone, right outside of the spawn in Mag BL?

katniss.6735:

Why are DB still recruiting more players when they have more than 3x as many players as the other people in the tier?

Bunch of America-haters.

Now we got 3x players than other servers in the tier, and we were only 2x a few days ago. I guess at the end of the week we’ll be 10×.

Ya, it’s America’s fault!

By the way, sorry EA, we failed you.

Fun fights so far in Mag BL, especially at Mag garrison and NE tower. We’re still trying hard and the fights are still going on!

Why should I feel bad? I’m on the winning server, and I feel quite happy. You, on the other hand, tries to say that DB is an Asian server in order to feel better from losing.

And actually, my statement isn’t false, all servers have more or less the same Asiatic population (you can check world population when you choose your character, if you haven’t noticed, and it varies, or at least it varied with timezones, and last time I checked all NA servers are at least very high populated during Oceanic/Asian prime time), and like I said, your Asiatic/Oceanic population are just more into PvE and/or other aspects of the game; which is clearly true.

Bloodlet.1427:

Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.

I’m telling you that to make you feel better, to be honest. I don’t need to feel better, we’re already winning the tier.

Everyone on DB can take credit for what DB has achieved, because everyone helped by one way or another.

And there is no such thing as an “Asian server”. Every server has more or less the same amount of Asiatic players, just that some of them are more into PvE or other aspects of the game.

Strippling.3524:

LOL, Yaks Bend just took Stonemist during SEA prime. How in the world did that happen? C’mon DB pik you’re game up, gotta prepare your kittens for a good spanking in tier 2

Good job, seriously. You guys win the week in my heart.

Tactics provide some degree of help if coverage isn’t going your way, imo. You can at least take easier targets, hold on to some PPT while giving up the stuffs the enemy is attacking.

I don’t remember BP “keep” posting about how good they are though, there’s only one post saying we were training. Others are mainly quotes, and response to quotes.

Actually I haven’t seen a NNK commander on today (from 7am EST till now). We have a few commanders from other guilds that are leading in BLs. But meh, I don’t think anyone has to right to tell someone not to play a game for a test’s sake.

Edit for typo.

Pinko.2076:

You were so eager to be right that you just made up a Mag guild. Zav is on FA. Also, he wasn’t telling NNK to leave…

I laughed, I really didn’t notice he wasn’t on Maguuma. Sorry for that.

But on the other hand, are you 100% sure there isn’t a SU on Mag?

Also, his hypothesis is based on NNK leaving, and in order for him to prove himself right, he would want NNK to leave.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

LOL

If NNK left DB you would be singing a different tune. And WM has not been logging on as much on Kaineng, and their score has been suffering. I am glad your opinions are grounded in reality.

Telling NNK to leave DB is like telling NA guilds to leave Maguuma, heck, PYRO, D|ERP , and even your guild, SU. I know you are envy of our Asians but that’s the reality and it’ll probably stay as it is. Your “assumption” will never be tested, but who knows? We have lots of Asians besides those in NNK.

And what does WM have to do with this? :O It’s not like we paid them not to play.

Oh and you just proved Calvin’s point, lol.

Vi Au.8341:

oh i know its a 3 way fight but dont claim that you can take anything you want when you want when our force is split in half

and who said im oceanic lol

I must have mistaken you for someone else, sorry then.

Like eithinan said, it was more like an exercise. We’ve been wiped before, yes, but we want to and will get better every day, until that “we can take anything we want whenever we want” motto actually becomes true.

And, to be honest, you can’t say our claim is wrong since we did take the keep yesterday.

Pinko.2076:

BP can take anything they want, after they lose all their rams, catas, trebs, and then run around on a wall until we send half of our people to fight a CL zerg on 3 different fronts.

I guess you never lost any ram, catapult, trebuchet, and ran around on a wall before, kudos to you sir. And 3 different front? That’s a bit exaggerating. I guess you had to fight Maguumans as well. :O

Vi Au.8341:

so wait if i remember last week the only reason why you took west keep off us is cuze yak was hitting garrison. and when you failed to take garrison last week when you broke though the inner… was it BP good will not wanting to take it?

and yet again yesterday we were hit by yaks at west keep so we had to split our forces.

feels like BP is only capable of taking stuff when Yak is hitting Mag on the other side of the map

The game is a three-way for some reason. You cannot solely focus on an enemy because the other server will try to take advantage of it.

Feels like Maguumans are only capable of finding excuses when they lost something. If you’re good enough then you can hit both fronts, like our SEA crew. Otherwise every server has to deal with the other two servers at the same time. It’s not news.

By the way, have you ever fought BP? If I remembered correctly, you said somewhere that you are an oceanic commander.

Last night I went to sleep our garrison was 500/500, and it was like 2pm est. I thought people specifically asked not to upgrade it. So I guess, great job? :O

1. You’re talking about 5v5, 20 stacks of might in 3 seconds? Ugh, it can be done, but it’d be impressive.
2. If the other 4 classes can take 80% of your hp in 3 seconds then I’d suggest you get some toughness and vitality gear.
3. 12 stacks of confusion? First scenario: the mesmer runs a shatter build, which you can dodge the shatters and get no confusion. Second scenario: the mesmer runs a glamour build, you cannot dodge the fields, but you will only get 2 stacks of confusion if you don’t step out of the field mindlessly. Either way, even with the 5 stacks from scepter skill 3, 12 stacks of confusion in 3 seconds is not possible if you are playing correctly (unless you enter and exit the fields continuously and let the shatters hit you). And you say commonly up. Glamour fields have at least 32 seconds CD if traited, shatter skills have at least 15 seconds CD, scepter 3 has a 15 seconds CD.
4. 8 seconds? 3 seconds confusion with F2, 5 seconds with scepter 3, and if the mesmer runs a glamour build then 5 seconds of confusion if blinded.
5. They do no damage if you don’t do anything without thinking. Even if you did, 4800 damage is not something other classes cannot do.

Darek.1836:

I dare any confu lovers to do a 5v5 or more of equally skilled players, but one team has a confu mesmer and the other doesn’t. It basically goes like this
1) first push
2) 6+ confu stack on all 5
3) necro and other classes stack conditions
4) guards on other team cleanse it
5) too late, you just lost 80% of your hp from the 3 seconds you couldn’t cast anything, even more dmg if you did
6) you lose lol, l2p noob confu is hard to stack

6 stack of confusion deals only 2400 damage with exactly 1800 condition damage, which is about the highest a mesmer can get with food, without any might/stack of corruption. Any class can do better than that. Oh, you won’t be getting the damage, since you’re not casting anything.

You can’t find more of less equally skilled players anyway.

Titan.3472:

You know people like to play the build THEY WANT to play. With the confusion mechanism it means people have to play and set up their build to be able to counter it. When I use a weapon or a skill is it fair that people to be able to play have to run some specific counter-builds???? No. In that way confusion affecting everyone’s playstyle because the damage scale up with the stacks and giving choice to people to run specific build to manage with it or stay passive not to die: this is already enough of a clue about how powerful is confusion in the wvw metagame.

So basically you mean that no build can be total dominant, and people have to change their build in order to counter some other specific builds? I guess that’s a good thing, since no certain build can roll everything and everyone over, which makes the game more enjoyable and you have to actually study your opponents in order to win a battle.

Titan.3472:

In order to cleanse confusion if you have a single cleanse you have to be under no other condition damages to be sure it ll remove it and not another. It would mean that only a cleanse all conditions power would be efficient in such situation when you have plenty stacks of different conditions. When you know it can reapply immediately… there is no point really in doubting how powerful is that condition.

Not really. Condition removals removes the most recently applied conditions, so if confusion is applied last you can easily remove it.

Titan.3472:

BTW I am very curious to know if Confusion is following the rule of the cap limit of 5 target max, if not thats weird…

What do you mean? Confusion is a condition, like bleeding and such, it can be applied to anyone if targeted.

Last night was real fun though, especially at the tower and camp. Other than that we were just wiping everything in YB BL.

Kronyx.2570:

Thanks for the badges at NE tower in YBBL, Blood pact.

Thank you for your 3 keeps which we held for more than 2 hours?

Dragoon.9536:

not really because of skill lag rubberband effect as in you could go from Auto hitting slow to auto hitting turbo mode which in case makes confusion SUPER OP because you cant hit that cleanse off when its delayed by 50 sec ago when it could have saved ur life.

It’s not a problem of confusion then, stop blaming the wrong target. :P

Class choice is yours, if you think you’re attacking too fast then change a class. It’s the downside of doing too many attacks: getting more confusion damage. Sometimes you just got to learn and wait for the right moment to attack, not just mindlessly spam your skills.

saiyr.3071:

Outmanned on all maps and highest PPT is pretty impressive.

Thanks. Either our NA improved or lots of Mag/YB ragequit. Or both. Hence the leading. I remember last week we were in the last place for the first 16 hours or so.

Mags are rather predictable these days, always golem rushing garrison at a certain time. Nice try nevertheless. We actually have to pay more attention on every part of the map which ultimately is good for our server. Thanks guys.

Immolator.5640:

What I don’t understand is how people can think this is completely fine?

Lets see – it proccs when you dodge, it proccs when you attack, it proccs when you heal it proccs when you change attunement it proccs when you do pretty much anything. Sitting still and doing nothing is a completely stupid and illogical solution when you’re in the midst of combat and fighting for your life, you can not sit still and do nothing for 10 seconds. I fight many 1vs3 or 1vs5 fights, if one of them is a confusion Mesmer/engineer I have by default lost that fight, by the same token if 2+ are backstab bursts thieves then I’ve probably lost the fight, but that’s acceptable because no one can win against 2 or more thieves unless they’re really bad, pretty much because they’re impossible to finish, shadow refuge from both of them makes it even more so.

Confusion needs changing.

All conditions do damages when you dodge, when you attack and when you heal, and even if you don’t do anything at all.

As mentioned in your post, you fight a lot of 1v3 1v5 fights. And you expect to win? If you were winning then your profession is the one that should be nerf’d.

Heibi.4251:

I’ve been playing GW1 and GW2 from the beta. I’m very experienced. My ideas are based on observations of mesmers from both the receiving end and being on the giving end by having a mesmer by my side.

I’ve posted my ideas and most came back with the “I know more than you” or the you’re a noob attitude. So far only one true constructive response has been made.

Playing a long time doesn’t equal to being good. Having played a mesmer doesn’t mean you know everything about it. What I’m saying is that you could and should try to improve yourself instead of asking the company to nerf a class. You cannot even spot the real mesmer with all those characteristics a clone doesn’t have, so I don’t see any reason why ANet should change it just because you think so.

I’ve posted my ideas and you came back with the “you’re not inputting” attitude.

Heibi, it seems that you’re so certain of yourself. Are you sure there is an imbalance, not just a learn to play issue? And that “solutions” aren’t needed? All your suggestions are based on “mesmers’ clones and portals are overpowered and should be nerf’d”. What if that assumption is just ridiculously wrong? Quit saying other people didn’t give you any feedback.

On topic: thieves are fine. They’re very annoying when you’re trying to get to the group, but as far as I know, they don’t really contribute much when it comes to larger battles.

Pinko.2076:

Is WvW more of a PvE activity for DB SEA players?

When mag hits 400-500 ppt in unbalanced matches, we actually lose players because it is very boring and usually pvd.

How do you keep interest in logging in every night to wipe the maps and then log off? Is it strictly for karma/xp? You guys have been at it for many, many months now.

Chatting and laughing with guildies and friends while taking stuffs is fun, it lights up your spirit after a long, tiring day of school/work. Occasionally there may be some opposition which makes things even more interesting.

Clones aren’t OP. You simply have to spot the REAL player, which is not hard if you have dealt with mesmers before, and have observant eyes. Once you do that, you can kill them quite easily. I don’t know if you have noticed, those clones do little to no damage (except maybe phantasms, but those are VERY EASY to recognize), mesmers only play with your mind.

Portal bombs are old-fashioned nowadays, just need to kill the mesmer before he drops the portal.

Huge.5891:

Its soooo easy to get a WP…. where are yours?

There’s only one in Eternal. You just proved my point though, it’s hard to KEEP a WP, not getting them, which is something DB need to do a lot better. Let’s see if you can keep a WP later, and you’ll realize how hard it is having little numbers to defend.

And I agree with you Guardian, so let’s just stop all these night-capping accusations if we lose our WPs outside of prime time.

Currently, it’s a quarter past 6pm here, 6am/3am in the US. Our Asians mostly start at 8pm our time, which would be 8am/5am, and lasting a couple of hours.

If my memory is still correct, 8am/5am is what people call “morning”.

Another thing, getting keeps upgraded and WP’d is easy. KEEPING them is hard. Plus, you don’t get to keep them “all day”.

You guys should be proud, IMO, you finally have a nigh-capping crew!

It’s barely 6pm, lol, wait a bit more.

To be honest, our asians are the morning crew. You guys are night-capping everything.

It’s barely 6pm, we’re not even warming up.

Tken.1986:

Congratulations! You guys got the most oceanic presence. Keep emphasizing it and make yourself look like a winner.
So, like 99% of the accomplishments are done by oceanic presence right? or did I misread the bazillion posts in this thread? I almost felt really bad for those who have to play NA time in DB.
I hope Maguuma’s got some oceanic presence, otherwise have fun playing with doors^^

He’s not DB, lol, read the post please.

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Braxxus.2904:

Negatory sir. First rule of wuvwuv is that it’s all or none.

I owned a YB 1v1 today. I would definitely own you, since you’re a YB as well.

You can do the same to your opponents.

Crimedawg.8954:

Do you realize what you type? Your entire post was filled with TSym bashing with a splash of ‘who freaking cares about Tysm’.

In the midst you mention ‘if Tsym were so great SoS should be winning’. I don’t see a mention of another SoS guild.

Basically talking out your kitten which is why you post anonymously. Bravo! Thanks for your bags though.

Just saying, he isn’t really posting anonymously, his name is just left of his post. And yea, thanks for your bags as well, although sometimes my game crashes when I’m picking them up ’cause there are just too many of them. Nevertheless, awesome fights so far this week, even better than last week (did you guys give up after Tuesday/Wednesday?).

Hope you guys have fun wherever you go, and hope we’ll meet again! =D

Edit: typo.

Seren.6850:

DB has the biggest zergs I have ever seen in any tier, I thought PRX &SF 60 mans were bad but NNK is madness, “NNK zerg incomming”, “How many?” “Over 9000” can be heard on TS, if I’m flipping camps in my 5man on an empty map, NNK dont send 5, they dont send 10 to make sure, they send a 50 man zerg to get the supply camp back and thats just a portion of the main force, my mind boggles at how big that guild is.

It could be the removal of culling that results in you seeing a lot more people than before. I’m sure there are much bigger zergs in other servers/tiers.

It was fun in the YB garrison 10 minutes ago!

tagnut.8621:

Example one – midday prepatch

Side A attempt to take a keep – they have around 60 people. 5 golems are assembled and a fast strike attempted. Gate1 goes down quick – by time gate two is reached there a dozen or so people on siege making life difficult. With losses (all golems) gate 2 goes down. by now 20 or so people are manning siege and side A is losing people. Siege takes out enough people to make attempt non viable and its eventually beaten back. All in all this takes about 15 minutes and side A has a 2:1 numerical advantage but side Bs defense wins.

Example 2 – midnight last night

Side A has a 100+ blob. It rushes the keep – door 1 goes down in seconds even without siege on it. It arrives at door 2 where 30-40 defenders have arrived to try and delay and hold them back. Siege is manned. Door 2 goes down in < minute (nom golems just rams). 100+ people swamp lord and he drops in seconds. Siege has minimal effect. Lag delay is crippling. Melee blob mash 1 button and win.

Defence is no longer an option. Offence is far stronger and balance is way out of line. it should take time to siege a defensive structure, but no now its line up a massive melee blob and mash 1 button.

Defensive structures need to be defensible.

Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. Those are 2 different cases that I cannot see anything relevant to the patch.

By the way, in your case 2, there HAS to be a golem/siege. DPSing the gate won’t take less than a minute even with 100 people.

santi.7516:

Sadly no matter how much unity, tactics, and bla bla bla we can pull out, DB will always catch us thanks to their full asian population, they can use their NA crew to slow down ours, but we can’t slowdown their Asian population because we don’t have any (We’re lucky if we have 1 asian at WvW), obviously WvW is not meant to be fair, it’s a war, but this can easily be proof to prove that we’re faaaaar better and superior than DB, we just need a “night population”, which i guess, someday we’ll have.

Still QQ’ing about nightcapping, huh. Fact is, we cannot change how many Asians we got on our side. So stop whining, and either recruit more Asians, or get better at your NA time so you can get a bigger points difference before our Asians get up. Apparently you’re just not doing enough to win.

Zerging isn’t the only tool to capture anything (at least in T3 and below). I frequently see small teams harassing the supply lines/keeps/towers, and they work wonder. It’s only natural that people gather together, because it means more safety and a better chance of survival. You don’t need to stay ikittenerg if you don’t want to, and you can just avoid enemy zergs by running away if you see one and if you don’t want to engage.

IMO WvW should stay the way it is.

taek.9386:

Elano.2014:

I’m on the 1st place server actually. ^^

What you’re on JQ?? Why are you sticking your nose in here?

Obviously I meant 1st place in this tier, lol.