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Hi Anet, if your business model for GW2 isn’t working out as planned I can fully see why you need to try other things, it’s in no ones interest to see you fold.
But frankly, gear progression is Blizzards domain and they simply do it better than anyone, you can’t hope to compete in that arena.
You have a distinction from everyone else with your end level stat ceiling, don’t throw away one of the main reason’s a large proportion of your playerbase are here for.
But the question should be asked…. Is it OK to drastically change the parameters of the product you spent 60 bucks on? The answer is… It’s not. If you buy a movie after seeing it in theaters, and find out they changed the story from a Intellectual to a Die Hard-esk film are you going to just sit and try to enjoy the new movie that was once good enough for you to buy? That’s not OK, and you would take the movie back and demand a refund, or that’s what a person who valued their hard earned money would do.
So, with respect, if you feel that way why are you not going back to get your money back and returning the game ?
Then I am sorry for wasting your time, I thought I could drop down and speak stupid but school has effected me more than I ever imagined. Your sudden use of “big words” shows me that you are trying desperately to save face. -No one cares here, we are talking about an issue for more important than the differences between you and I. If I have insulted you I apologize, but I ask that you either contribute to the conversation, or quit posting in this thread entirely. I’m fine with people having different opinions but as soon as it gets slanderous it insults our intelligence. Are we not people? Keep this as a debate.
Fair enough.
I just said people as in I doubt most people do these things much if there were no reward waiting for them. That’s not saying that the experience isn’t fun or anything…I’ve said I enjoyed dungeons.
Thing is the dungeons are hard. That’s coo. That really is…but they are punishing players for even trying to learn how to do them. As a result it’s hard to mention GW2 dungeon without hearing complaints about how difficult they are and how unrewarding they are. I don’t think the difficulty is so much the problem, I think it’s that the game punishes them with repair fees for trying to figure them out in the first place.
One thing Anet was and has been right about is that people will desire cosmetic items…now they just need to go about how to reward players with those items.
That I can agree with, being punished is not fun. Maybe a better way to improve it is to reduce repair costs or replace them with a completely different death penalty altogether.
Then never use a metaphor again until you do.
(Naturally) EVERYTIME you do a dungeon you end up having to repair.
(the pub)When a Dungeon glitches you have to reset it and can no longer continue from where you left off.
(slow players) EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY at the top of the hour for 10 minutes CoF is unavailable, ARAH is unavailable for upwards of Half a DAY.
(P.S) They are bringing prices up and rewards down to make you want to buy more gems.
Was that so HARD?
Well, it was more allegorical than metaphoric but I digress…
You misunderstand, I see exactly what you wrote, I just don’t see any substance behind your statements.
How cute. Now imagine you pay that upfront fee, and once you’re on the course, you have to play the first five holes for a full year before you’ve gained enough club points to gain access to the next five. The final two are “prestige holes” and will require you to play hole 3 at least five hundred times to gain enough tokens to unlock it.
Then I would go and play somewhere else with sensible rules.
“Naturally” would you say every game you have to get them fixed up?
So you go to the pub and wait for the rain to stop and then continue where you left off because you have that option? Or are you forced to start over every time because the rain won’t clear from where you stopped?
So are there slow players about every two holes or that you have to wait for to complete the course before you start playing or?
Next?
P.S do they also funnel all the newbies into your corse whilst offering a noob free course for a borderline extreme amount of money?
I have literally no idea what you’re trying to say.
Sir, does the golf course also slowly break your club and ask your 20$ so fix it? does your ball ever stop in mid air or the holes close up preventing you from progressing? Is there a mob outside every hour that you have to disperse in order to play gold again? NO. But there is in GW2. for you to use such an analogy, you just MIGHT be insane.
My clubs age naturally yes, I buy new ones every couple of years or so.
It rains half way round every now and again yes and we go the the pub early.
There are slow players that we wait behind sometimes, but thats part of the game.
Next ?
No the coin is never irrelevant.
All games have rewards. You’re saying that people would do the dungeon if absolutely nothing happened afterwards? I highly highly doubt that.
All games have a reward. Even a game like Mass Effect, you beat a map/boss and the reward you are given is a cutscene and a story section.
We have agree to disagree. Right now I think the dungeons in particular are more discouraging than encouraging. Instead of players being rewarded for trying to figure their way through them they are punished for that. I don’t think it should be that way.
I play golf twice a week, have done for years, usually the same course to. Can you believe I actually PAY money for it ? as in, do something and not come out of it with any physical reward whatsoever ?
I also run Guild Wars dungeons with the same friends, we have a laugh and try not to die too much.
I must be insane obviously.
They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?
Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.
Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.
No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.
Just for the rewards to match.
Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.
That’s my point, you are equating how ‘fun’ the task is by how much coin you get for it. Doing it and getting 10g or doing it and getting 1cp, the activity is exactly the same.
If it’s something you want to do and playing the game is the reward, the coin is irrelevent. If it’s something you don’t really want to do and you are only jumping through hoops to get what you personally deem as a worthwhile thing then you can only expect people to disagree.
Then I will say this NOW, after you have done all these story modes/exp all you have LEFT is the rewards from dong them swiftly and skillfully. We will all eventually get to the place some of us 80s are at. Quit being a fanboy and see the problem instead of mindlessly backing the company. Problem is: We are getting less of the game rewards now for the same amount of effort than we were 2 weeks ago. WDungeon grinding wasn’t hurting the economy, it was helping it, does anyone else remember when the exotics used to make legendarys were 14 Gold?
I am neither a fanboy nor mindless. The ‘problem’ is that you think you can determine how much effort is worthy of how much reward for all of us. I don’t consider playing a game as any effort at all, if I did I can guarentee you that I wouldn’t be doing it.
That’s where we differ. You run a treadmill in a closed room, whilst I walk along a country lane.
They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?
Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.
Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.
No one is asking for things for free or to get easy.
Just for the rewards to match.
Right now someone said they got 83 copper from CM…come on now. Yes it was easy and yes it was quick. If you die once now you’ll actually lose money doing CM. A lot of times people are losing coin from doing dungeons and that is more frustrating than fun.
That’s my point, you are equating how ‘fun’ the task is by how much coin you get for it. Doing it and getting 10g or doing it and getting 1cp, the activity is exactly the same.
If it’s something you want to do and playing the game is the reward, the coin is irrelevent. If it’s something you don’t really want to do and you are only jumping through hoops to get what you personally deem as a worthwhile thing then you can only expect people to disagree.
They should just allow direct purchase of all 80 Exotics with Gems, then you could just flex the plastic and you wouldn’t need to actually play the game at all… cause thats what you want right ? more stuff in less playing time ?
Only the individual can determine if an arbitrary amount of time spent doing something they deem as a chore is worth a few pixels. That time will vary wildly.
Whereas as the people that seem to enjoy actually playing the game and see them as a bonus generally agree the time to aquire is acceptable, whatever it is.