Guild Wars 2

smitske.4912:

Clearly says you are not bound to the ‘continent’ you are assigned to and are free to transfer between them, my german is rusty so don’t know how much of your quote I ‘missed’ but I don’t see anything about you should stay on the appointed region, only how the people are appointed.

I think we all get it : ANet politic on this aspect of the game is “Play wherever you want”. And I think it’s a great thing ! Well, at least it would have been with a unique ladder and no localized server…

And that’s what doesn’t make sense to me (and to every wvw player on localized server I’m guessing) : why creating two separated ladders, and localized servers, to clearly disadvantage them in the end by allowing cross-ladder transfers ?

Miporin.3529:

I repost in a more soft manner (-_-), Vizuna really you are so weak that you aren’t able to fight fair 1 vs 1?
Arbostone why you have no pride at all and prefer sacrifice all your building and decrease your rank to let Vizuna win? Are you serious?

If the only way to win against Blacktide is merge forces with another server and double your numbers then you really don’t deserve to win at all. Shame Vizuna, my respect to you guys fade away….

If anything, I think VS deserve respect for not letting it go on the last day after a tough week!

- AS didn’t let VS win, many people from both sides hate each other guts.
VS just mobilized for a strategic night/morning operation today.

- The situation of 2v1 you are talking about is actually reversed : maybe you’re not aware, but several important guilds on BT have been especially focusing on VS this week, no hard feeling or anything, I totally understand it, and like they said: it was simply the best tactical choice for BT to focus the server that was a potential threat
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Blacktide-Vizunah-Square-Arborstone-1/883600

Despite all this, VS didn’t let go and fought until the end !

So, congrats to all 3 servers : I think it has been a pleasant week with lots of fun fights for everyone-

Crafting is already profitable, but you have to put effort in it.
You just have to watch the market, see which crafted items have more demands and sells well, then gather or wait to buy materials when they are at low price, craft, profit.

Riselight.3695:

So if you would live in Canada, you speak French, you’ll still go for a NA server? I won’t, if there were servers for my native language, I would certainly play on one of them.

It’s not just about the language I think, culturally speaking, they are closer to USA than to France And, they also probably want to play with their (> 70%) English speaking Canadian friends

As a matter of fact, the biggest French speaking Canadian community plays on Northern Shiverpeaks :
http://www.gw2guilds.org/guilds/us/northern-shiverpeaks?search_id=lzOdEsFPd68bbGGI&sort=members&order=desc

We’ve asked some guilds about moving to EU, but they didn’t seem interested

French speaking people, and not all of them live in France

Well, we’ve already rulled out the ours friends from Quebec since they play on NA servers. Without them, 99% of French speaking people are on GMT or GMT+1 (Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc ..)

The only hope for [FR] servers to compete is if they remove the [FR] tag or put in place some limitation but that’s really unlikely

Scribbles.7493:

So what was up with that whole French Canadians thing, then?

French Canadian guilds all play on the US ladder

Snort.3698:

Adapting to it.

That’s the thing : we can’t !
either ANet must get rid of the localized server tags so we can recruit or they have to put those servers on a separate ladder (which was the case until US guilds migrate to EU ladder)

Snort.3698:

Getting organinized.

VS is much more organized than Deso from what I have seen and read on these forums.

Snort.3698:

Avoiding excuses

Personally, I’m only trying to find solutions…
Everybody knows that the geographic coverage battle came from a flawed game design.
Now as a French player I think it has reach it’s worst, because localized server can’t fight this coverage battle. (QC players all prefer NA ladder)

I also think limiting point gain for the most populated side, according to the average opposition population of the last 7 days (to discard the disconnections made on purpose) can be a solution

no player’s time is more valuable than another, that’s ANet statement.
And we all know many matchups are won at night, because the population is unbalanced, allowing the populated side to get many valuable ticks. That’s unfair because a few connected people are deciding the outcome of the matchup.
By weighting scoring system according to population : every player will play a same role on this one : a night battle at 30vs30 would count equal as a day time 100vs100

I don’t know, something like
effective tick = (pop % opponent1 + pop % opponent2) / (2 x pop%)

ex. with a 100%/100%/100% pop = (100+100) / (2×100) = 1 x normal ticks

30%/5%/10% pop
-> 30% pop : (5+10) / (60) = 0,25 x normal tick
-> 5% pop : (40) / (10) = 4 x normal tick
-> 10% pop : (35) / (20) = 1.75 x normal tick

13%/12%/11%
-> 13% pop : (23) / (26) = 0.885 x normal tick
-> 12% pop : (24) / (24) = 1 x normal tick
-> 11% pop : (25) / (22) = 1,14 x normal tick

well, surely not something that simple of course, but you get the idea !

ANet said wvw was a 24/7 battle, but not that is had to be worldwide!
recruiting more geographic coverage is just the laziest method players found to gain coverage..

Half of EU servers are localized ones, with FR, ES or DE tag, not english speaking, playing and able to recruit on only 1 timezone (French Canadians guilds play on US ladder and American Spanish speaking guilds on US ladder too).
What are their chances for FR, ES or DE if both ladders go worldwide ? How are they suppose to compete ?
So no, wvw can’t be a worldwide battle, at least not for 25% of the servers. Ignoring them is just selfish.

ANet, please, find a solution…

Knasher.5607:

Very well, in the interest of a constructive conversation and in order to understand your issue, allow me to ask this […]

Hello,

I’ll try to answer Note that I’m not speaking on behalf of the FR community or a server or anything, those are just my personal thoughts about how FR is appreciating the subject :

Well, to us, the main difference is : what we can do to counter this effect.

Nightcap from same timezone is just a matter of dedication, getting less sleep and more playtime.
There isn’t that many players on VS playing at night on a regular basis. (maybe 40)
Elona, FS, AS have already beaten us.
But, we are organized, we have commanders to lead PUG, a common Teamspeak for all the server to regroup at anytime, and an amazing alliance of the big wvw guilds involved in the server, that can react quickly to form late light or early morning operations before going to work. It costs us (a lot of sleeping time mostly :P), but it’s manageable

Now came Deso and Ruin.
First thing, (before you reached T1). We tried to recruit French Canadians guilds, several messages have been left on various QC guilds forum, but they all prefer to play on NA ladder. AS server did the same thing, one QC guild (Armata) tried out the FR ladder, but they got back to US after 1 week.
And that where we still are about recruiting…
And about English speaking guilds. We would love to, but no one would come to a server with [FR] tag, not because they don’t like french (I hope everybody does x)), but because of the language barrier… No matter what, even if we have in our ranks several people speaking english, it’s almost impossible to get them to settle on a [FR] server :/

That’s the reason why we can’t counter the “oversea” nightcap.
Last week we’ve barely won the matchup, It was was fun, lots of tense fights, I enjoyed it, but we have to sleep at one moment, so it was a last ditch stand : There was a French bank holiday to our advantage, and lots of our players had to take the week-end off to change their mind of the game and rest. (and it shows on the income graphs, VS got destroyed this week end).

We just want a chance to compete with the same starting chances.
I know many wvw players on VS would like the [FR] tag of the server to disappear, that way, maybe we could recruit English speaking guilds.
Maybe another solution would be the creation of a ladder for EU servers who want to play on GMT/GMT+4 timezones

We don’t care to lose. we’ve already lost to Elona or Arborstone.
(And I think that Blacktide would crush VS now)
But this would have been with equal chances to start with

Now, feelings about the EU ladder :

I think that EU ladder it was meant for EU people in the first place. So that EU servers could compete between them, without having to face NA servers.

NA ladder was meant to be worldwide in the first place, with Oceanic and Asian players. In various MMO, those players have always been to NA servers.
Same thing goes with our Russian friends, they traditionally play MMOs on EU servers.

Of course anyone can create a character on any region, there is no restriction.
Doing it on a personal level, (a guy who wants to play with friends or his guild for example) it not a problem, but doing it at a guild level, and this start to mess things up Because it’s impacting many players that just want to compete between them.

And the non-english speaking tagged servers will have tremendous difficulties to recruit.
We are also aware that it isn’t everybody opinion in EU.
But There is already a ladder with 24/7 action : why not migrate to NA it if that’s the kind of game you’re looking for ?
-> In the end the result would be exactly like merging ladders : the 24/7 competition would take place on NA (already worldwide) ladder
-> but people who want to stay on “around GMT” clock would be able to compete between them on the EU ladder

Pff, I don’t know, I’m just letting ideas out…

Honestly, I don’t know if there is a solution that would satisfy everyone… but I sure would like we find one.
And I don’t know why so many people just won’t try to understand our issue and keep taunting/flaming..

Hope this was constructive ;P

defi.4127:

I’d just like to point something out. If the French servers are fighting 5vs20 during the night, then before RUIN came that number was 5vs0. Maybe you don’t remember but Desolation was briefly also T1 before RUIN, but VS nightcapping made the ultimate difference, just ask FS. Now you people are complaining about the same problem we were complaining about.

I haven’t seen 0 post from FR complaining about nightcap.
we are complaining about oversea daycap.

But it’s like talking to a wall, all night long I have tried to explain (in a constructive way) why we were complaining, in the various threads closed one after one, but no one seems to understand our issue : I’ve only seen mocking, trolling, or out of topic answers…

Kindragon.4308:

blablabla 2v1 blablabla suck it up french blablabla

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16
This kind of income graphs = no 2v1, to quote you : "deny it all you want, but denial does not change truth. "
It’s also the simple logic of tri-faction : the leading faction tend to be attacked by the other two…

Aysnvaust.7046:

Thanx for the encouraging words, satkis, just let me add a small correction:
Fakt is, we do have three ladders at the moment.
NA, EU and International/worldwide, which still has to be announced officially by ANet.
I do not mind this at all, I truly wish all the best to all servers, just wanted to mention it

mm, there is only 2 ladder at the moment :
worldwide
and worldwide
:D
NA and EU tags doesn’t seems to have any meaning unfortunately.

Maybe ANet will merge the ladders…
but that’s the end of the competition for localized servers !

Cottage Pie.6215:

Indeed, the position for EU top spot (total points) since weeklies began has been constantly VS, with AS getting it last week and this week…?

Vs-Vs-Vs-Vs-Vs-Vs-As-?

And the French servers complain about balance. Good lord…

It’s not going to last, that was the last week with 2 FR server in T1.
FR servers have given up : it’s almost impossible to fight an oversea daycap with a local nightpop.
Blacktide will soon be T1 though, and is currently seeking International presence.
We are seing EU International servers rising, and they are engaged in a battle to gain 24/7 geographic coverage.

In theses conditions, I think it’s normal for the French to complain (French love to complain btw, some do it even when everything is fine)
FR servers have no chance to win against those EU International rising power-servers
because to participate in a 24/7 geographic battle, you need to be an English speaking server and they have nothing they can do to counter it.

That’s sad, because they have proven to be very competitive, even managing to beat Deso on their first week in T1, against all odds. But EU ladder is now turning worldwide, like the NA one : it won’t be a matter of good fights and dedication, but a battle to recruit more coverage pop !

I would like ANet to do something, like a ladder only for people who wants to fight in GMT/GMT+1 , but that’s probably never going to happen…

waeren.9743:

The EU has always been nothing more then a location tag. You should have learned that during the first month when NA was complaining.

If tag = location, Why is there NA players on the EU ladder ?

again, I don’t care about loosing.
We lost against Elona, we lost against FSP, no problem.
But losing to a server just because they recruited oversea and we can’t ? where is fairness here ?

Quentin Fields.1295:

Just stop whining about nightcapping and RUIN.They are not the only force that making Desolation WIN! We are just winning the primetime too for the most of the time of it.Thanks to help of all primetime guilds and us IRON.

While we conquer a map with our guild members , some guilds conquer EB and someothers with pugs conquering other maps.

Stop acting like Deso only have nightcap with RUIN.You can’t just win with nightcapping as you FR guys trying to show it like that.

Also soonish Blacktide will be there too.I wonder what you whining babygirls gonna do when they will??? They have more different time zones than us and they almost can cover 24/7 now with the help of new guild transfers from FSP.While we only can 18-20 hours.

If you wanna cry more , put your back down and try it on offical “Nightcapping and you” topic.

wake up please !
Deso is only winning cause of the RUIN daycap, it doesn’t deserve to be T1… just look at the income graphs on mos

Hrist.8972:

Give me a one good reason why localized server couldn’t have overseas guilds playing in it?

because we’ve already asked them
None of them is interested in coming to an FR/DE/ES server
French Canadians players prefer to play on the US ladder, and so do Spanish speaking community in America

Knasher.5607:

In any case it sounds like you position is that nightcapping is unfair because our nightcappers outnumber your nightcappers, the identical position we were in two months ago.

I have the same opinion about night cap. I assume what I said before.
I condemn the oversea recruitment to ruin the EU ladder : this ladder isn’t meant to be worldwide. localized server cannot do anything against that.

nightcap is 2 things :

• decication : players get less sleep, more playtime
  -> counter ? well, do the same..
• oversea recruitment = daycap for the oversa people
  -> counter ? well, for a localized server : none !

I also repeat my question :
Why do you think ANet created a separate EU ladder in the first place ?

I repeat my question to our NA migrating friends :
Why do you think ANet created a separate EU ladder in the first place ?

KiNgPiN.2075:

I live in Europe and mostly im working at night just like milions other europenas. FR-DE-ES does have a chance but they not gonna be able too keep up in long-term. What about Russia with their 12 timezones? Basicaly its the same situation like with ppl from NA and i dont think they gonna move to NA servers just to make anyone feel better. Noone can be 1st forever mate. Every sever can be beaten at the right circumstances.

I work at night to. we’re a minority, nothing comparable to the impact a big guild impact

Knasher.5607:

Last time Desolation were in tier 1, we got stomped because we didn’t have nightcappers like Vizunah. Where were you asking for a FAIR and EQUAL chance then?

We won because of nightcap with people from our timezone : we stood up at night. → any server can counter that by doing the same, Elona Reach proved it by beating both FR servers !

whereas oversea recruitment is impossible to counter if you are a localized server.

Why do you think ANet created a separate EU ladder in the first place then ?

we just want to have FAIR and EQUAL chances to win !

Natureswarden.5102:

read 4+ threads now FR have had tanked because after logic fails they resort to insults. Most Desolation players have a constructive arguement Fact not fiction and mos speaks for itself you guys are even loosing in your primetime heads up.

EU ladder was meant for EU players
EU ladder was fine before NA guild came to it
50% of EU ladder are localized servers that cannot participate in a geographic 24/7 coverage battle

and

NA ladder has vocation to be worldwide
NA ladder has already a 24/7 battle going on.

= My logic here tells me that NA guilds have nothing to do on the EU ladder.

ANet should have authorized migration from ladder to ladder in the first place.
(That’s not possible in many games, like a famous on with pandas.)

Natureswarden.5102:

wow yet another thread where tri faction will be explained and every post shot to bits countered by logic..Then when all else fails 95% of insults will be thrown out by FR servers resulting in another tanked thread? trollgasmic XD

2v1 cannot counter nightcap by oversea players, it’s impossible during prime time to regain the points lost during the night, even at 2v1.

We just want to have fair and equal chances like ANet promised us when they created the EU ladder.

KiNgPiN.2075:

move to NA or other non-(DE,FR,ES) server. Everyone is trying to get 24/7 coverage and u cant be selfish and deny it to them. .

EU ladder was fine before this invasion by NA
Why a FR-DE-ES server doesn’t have a chance when they are better ?
EU ladder was created to give EU server an equal and fair chance in the beginning.
It’s them being Selfish denying all those server a fair chance to fight.
You want 24/7 coverage → go to US ladder, but leave us alone on our EU ladder.

Canadians guild are not interested in playing on FR servers. They prefer to stay on US ladder.

ANet should have forbidden to migrate from ladder to another in the first place, that’s all.
Many games are like that, including one with pandas

Natureswarden.5102:

Gwal.2813:

Natureswarden.5102:

again go read the mos graphs posted here numerous times. You still cannot win through the day now.

Because tell me, what’s the point of fighting if you know in the end you gonna lose because of some unfair timezone trick ?

Ummm you have 4 native language servers and this has been poured over again and again its your inability through unwilliness to recruit what you need. You could claw what you needed from those 4 servers if you really tried.
And if you can’t 2 v 1 is an option. Not everyone elses fault you are too proud to use it. can’t say the option isnt there in a tri faction game.

people on those 4 [FR] server sleep at night, as all Europeans do at this time

You are turning the EU ladder in a geographic coverage battle when it didn’t need it …
We are on a FR tag, we have tried to recruit, but nobody wants to come to an FR server, not even our canadians friends from QC.

There was already the US ladder for people who seek 24/7 action… So why denying us the right to compete between us with people that sleep at the same nigh (more or less) and ruining the competition for all localized servers ?

Natureswarden.5102:

again go read the mos graphs posted here numerous times. You still cannot win through the day now.

Because tell me, what’s the point of fighting if you know in the end you gonna lose because of some unfair timezone trick ?

Natureswarden.5102:

again go read the mos graphs posted here numerous times. You still cannot win through the day now.

You also 2 v 1 but seem to fail hard at it. Thats the entire worlds problem? how exactly?

Now you seem angry XD better get some more sleep

You are just a beaver same has ruin guild.

If your going to insult someone at least get your engilsh correct

what’s this obsession with 2v1 ? why would it be necesarry to 2v1 you to win ? You think your server is so special ? It doesn’t make sense !

Vayra.3290:

And what about those of us from the EU who can’t play during regular prime time? Should our efforts also be worth less than yours? Why? That argument holds absolutely no water and I would say you’re an idiot for even suggesting it.

That is one thing ANet will never implement because it makes those who play odd hours feel that their money isn’t worth as much as those who play regular hours and that is the definition of a bad business model.

those people (I’m part of them actually, working nights ;P) are a minority.
hey are important, but you know they don’t represent a full night coverage like oversea presence does.

I’m against any kind of blocking, but ANet has to find a solution to prevent some guilds from ruining the ladder for many others …

Natureswarden.5102:

Anet already did respond again go read night capping and you. Attempts to troll or bait a dev just comes across really pathetic tbh.
they would need to redesign WvW entirely to accomodate you

what troll are you talking about ? In every of my posts I’m trying to be constructive and find a solution to the problem.
Because there is indeed a problem : this thread here is about something that is impacting half of the EU servers (the localized ones) due to their incapacity to recruit oversea to gain geographic coverage
And it all started because of US guilds migration to EU to fight when EU is asleep.
Problem is many EU servers can’t retaliate.

So let’s be positive here, and try to find solutions instead of accusing eachother of trolling please !

Solutions I see personaly :

• 2 separated ladder : 1 worldwide International / 1 for EU locals
• 1 unique ladder and supress all the localized tags

Natureswarden.5102:

and stop you manipulating a 2 v 1 which we have all seen has/is being used by you in a trifaction game.

Dude, if there were reallly a 2v1, Deso won’t certainly be first : you are overestimating your server..

what you see is only tipical tri-faction. But I guess you’ll saw it in the next weeks against other servers.

Syndic.4762:

Theres nothing wrong with dropping a tier or two, or losing a match-up or two. You can learn a lot more from one defeat then from ten wins.

We learned a lot from NUG and GF while they were still on FS.

I know

It’s realisticly what’s going to happen soon for VS and AS : it won’t be long before they lose some places on the ladder.

But it’s not without bitterness when it’s because of something against there is nothing you can do… :s

I really hope Anet will clarify this, because VS deserve to be top tier server in EU.
dropping in tier just because you can’t recruit oversea pop is not fun.
I’m just sad that EU ladder will became like the NA one : not about dedication or about fighting battles, but about having the best geographic coverage battle.

But well, at least we’ve won Deso the first week in a last-ditch stand !
I hope you Blacktides guys will defeat the NA invaders

Arcadio.6875:

I’m guessing English isn’t your first language and I can see how a non-native speaker would have interpreted the article in the way you did.
[…]
EU servers are not EU players only.

I have perfectly understood the article.

I know there is people out of EU playing on EU servers. I don’t have anything against them, and I don’t have anything against US players either !

Until a few weeks ago, EU ladder was mainly EU + RU guilds.
Then a big US guild decided to migrate : not to play with friends, not to have fun fights : just to have easy wins by being there when EU players are sleeping.
And that’s what I condemn : it’s pure selfishness, since it ruins the ladder for all localized servers that won’t be able to attract any oversea pop.

EU ladder doesn’t need to be worldwide like the NA one.

Natureswarden.5102:

you just have no real valid counter to it.

That’s exact, and that’s why it isn’t fair.

nightcap represent 2 things :
- dedication : less sleep, more playtime
- oversea recruitment
Unfortunatly, dedication can’t overcome oversea recruitment
No matter how dedicated players are (like in VS) they can’t counter oversea players themselves.

I’m going to be honest :
When VS saw Deso coming with NA guilds, VS first move was to try to recruit some QC guilds. But none of them is interested.
We’ve tried the “get better coverage” but It just can’t be for a localized server.
Hence the conclusion : It’s impossible for a localized server to fight against Deso like equals. No matter what, Deso will always repaint the map at nights and there is nothing we can do about it..
VS has some people playing at nights, night shift workers, students, unemployed, etc .. but they can’t stand against a whole guild.

and the same thing goes for all localized servers…
Like I said in several posts : NA ladder was meant to be the worldwide one. not the EU one, which was design for EU locals.

I don’t get why people who wants 24/7 coverage just don’t go to the NA worldwide ladder. That would leave the EU ladder for people who want to play at EU local times, giving every server a fair chance.

Everybody could be happy, getting the kind of battle they want. But some selfish players, looking for easy victory with no opposition are just ruining that.

Genev.2450:

I think the point was more this:
“plusieurs guildes Québecoises sont déjà présentes sur VS”
Translated:
Several Quebec guilds are already on VS

Well, I don’t know why he said that Oo.
But there isn’t any QC guild on VS as far as I know.
If you can find them, introduce me please, because we are looking to recruit them in our alliance !

Natureswarden.5102:

yeah look at those figures carefully your aguments been you lose during night time only. clearly thats not the case at all

Oh I have, but did you read all what I wrote ?
There was a big IRL event for many of the main wvw guilds of VS this week end.
Also, many VS players are now dishearten, Last week was a “last stand fight”, a battle for honor.
But what’s the point to fight when you don’t stand a chance to win even if you are better organized and more dedicated ?
And what does it have to do with the NA invasion of EU ladder (which is the topic) ?
clearly, those graphs also show how Deso is winning : only cause of their NA forces

NightShade.5283:

Wothan.4673:

its funny when those french-CANADIAN guild nightcapped deso and FS they didnt bring this matters, but after all this feels so good, since we do what they did to us , we just adapt, remember u guys said that now ?

Ah.. you must speak about he famous VS french canadian ( with hebrew speak ) nightcapping force of VS, the “CaSu” guild… ( http://www.gw2guilds.org/view-guild/2261 ).
The only french canadian guild playing on EU was on AS serv ( Armata ) and not in VS. But they back to us serv after two week. ( pvdoor it’s not interesting… )
VS have maybe 1 or 2 canadian in some guild yes, but it’s all.

nope im looking at this http://guildeflq.guildlaunch.com/forums/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D8828766%26gid%3D204894&usg=ALkJrhgBK-yeow88CXBHPKPTKibxSlpUBg there being said that, vs have several quebec guild already. CMIIW since im using google translate

Yep, that what we told you : we’ve tried to recruit QC forces to balance, what you see is a message from Grand Cross Alliance (VS) trying to recruit QC guilds.
And they replied they play on US servers and don’t plan to move.
(like any other QC guild that has been asked)
Like we said several times : QC guilds prefer to play on US servers.

Natureswarden.5102:

Gwal VS nightcapped and wvw is 24/7…clearly you aren’t the best or most dedicated something I read time and again last week that really irked me because the daytime mos scoresheets prove for a fact desolation beats you during the day now also.

Want to talk about exploits or shady playing also what about the guild rolling on both VS and AS…same name…oh nobody really has an answer for that one though do they.

VS nightcap with their own forces : they hold on last week, getting sleep depraved, and manage to won the matchup but against all odds, when facing a server that has oversea manpower at night ! So yeah, I call that dedication.
But at what cost : all players are now “back to normal rythm” : just look at the income graphs of this week : http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16

This week end, there was a big IRL event in Paris (at Paris games week, hosting ESWC) and many players from the main Vizunah wvw alliance got there, hence the low scoring from VS this week end.

oh ok, I didn’t know that (I’ll edit my post).
I also speak spanish but never went to their forums. I’ve just assumed :P
but I guess it’s like QC players for FR : they won’t migrate to the [ES] server :/

I have nothing against NA players, they can come to play in EU with a friends, no problem, they are welcome !

But when various guilds perform migration on a large scale, just in order to gain advantage on EU people when they sleep, I call that a selfish act -> they ruin the ladder for many EU players, and that’s what we are talking about in this very thread and the reason it was created.

Syndic.4762:

WvW is a 24/7 game. Adapt or drop down in tiers, simple as that. There’s no shame in being in T5-T6 with the rest of the “prime-time only” servers.

I’m getting tired of repeating this. Why are all people so selfish ?
I don’t deny wvw is 24/7

But there is already a real worldwide ladder. Why come to a ladder where more than 50% of servers don’t want you ?

What’s the point if you can’t defend yourself : that’s the case for all localized server : 50% of EU ladder. Those servers can’t adapt no matter what
There is no German speaking community playing GW2 oversea
There is a Spanish speaking community playing GW2 oversea, but they are playing on US server, and won’t migrate to the EU Spanish one.
There is a French speaking community in Quebec, but they all prefer to play on US ladder.

EU ladder was fine until NA invaded last in the last weeks. It wasn’t meant for being worldwide, It was designed for EU players, even ANet said so !!

It would be so simple to solve this and keep everyone happy : you want 24/7 action, wordwide coverage, etc ? then go to NA worlwide ladder. But please, respect the ones that don’t want it.

Why try to kitten up the localized servers that were fighting eachother on EU ladder ?

NA guilds should get back to US ladder : EU ladder wasn’t designed for them.

Excession.2198:

Wake up, get a clue.

you get up.

what you see is tri-faction.

you’re clearly overestimating your server : if both FR server were allied, you wouldn’t be in the lead for score : you have seen it last week end.

gebrechen.5643:

There are no russians mentioned by anet. Do they have to play EU or NA? Remember their time zones and how much of russia is not in the EU. What about people south of Europe, they are not in EU but have the same time zone, so they have to play in NA?

That whole anet statement is invalid as an argument.

But if you prefer that EU T1 wins who can bring more people for door keeping instead of who plays best it’s not my problem.

And remember, you lost against FS with your glorious VS squad and you could only beat them because of VS vs doors. – now that doesn’t work because of Ruin. Maybe you should try to get some canadians now, not only fake canadians.

Russian have been playing on EU since the begenning, that seems logical to me.
EU could also apply to the whole Eurasia continent
In various MMO games, Ru have always been playing on EU region servers.

I’ve always had great respect for them, they are really organized and con form deadly bus
About nightcap : sure, FR players can nightcap, (because RU goes to bed earlier) but for the same reason, RU have a pretty dangerous morning cap too.
I think in the end it balances well…
And to be honest, I don’t see FR servers able to beat Blacktide if they confront but I think it would be a fair and balanced fight.

Arcadio.6875:

Choose your World
So, for example, if you are a European player who prefers to play on the North American worlds, you’re free to do so.

I have read it, but do you ?
At no point they said NA players are supposed to play in EU.
Look at the example they took : You can go play on NA if you are EU = logic, because they said before that NA ladder is NA people + others.
but they never advised to go the other way around…

NightShade.5283:

its funny when those french-CANADIAN guild nightcapped deso and FS they didnt bring this matters, but after all this feels so good, since we do what they did to us , we just adapt, remember u guys said that now ?

God, how many time are we gonna have to repeat this :
There are no big Canadian guilds playing on FR servers. They all play on US servers.
We’ve invited many QC guilds to come on VS, and our friends from AS have asked them too. But they were not interested and prefer to play on US ladder.

Americans coming to EU to do that on purpose with this only objective : that is.

we don’t have imaginary canadian forces at night, we have only our players from FR staying up late.
Difference is :
- you want to counter FR nightcap ? (more or less 40 people btw..) well, stay up late, Elona (DE) has successfully proven that by beating both FR servers…
- you want to counter Deso/Ruin nightcap ? Well, sorry but there is nothing you can do on a localized server

besides, US players don’t have to come to EU ladder : it’s supposed to be for Euro players !

please, read, it’s an official statement from ANet that may clarify things :

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

• Europe: Defined as Western Europe and Eastern Europe. Players in these regions connect to the European datacenter.
• North America: Defined as Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Players in these regions connect to the North American datacenter.
• Other: All countries not already listed above will connect to the North American datacenter.

See ? the NA ladder is meant to be worldwide, the EU one is supposed to be for EU locals

My dear Americans friends,

At no point the EU ladder was designed to be worldwide
so please, stop smashing our doors when we are asleep, get back to your ladder and leave us compete between us.

please, read, it’s an official statement from ANet that may clarify things :

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

• Europe: Defined as Western Europe and Eastern Europe. Players in these regions connect to the European datacenter.
• North America: Defined as Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Players in these regions connect to the North American datacenter.
• Other: All countries not already listed above will connect to the North American datacenter.

See ? the NA ladder is meant to be worldwide, the EU one is supposed to be for EU locals

Wothan.4673:

Maybe if all the [fr] [de] [sp] inc to usa ladder and broken them, whit full capping the map on the night, like the US atc in EU ladder atm…. anet make a reaction…

I’ve thought about it too.
Pretty sure that if the main alliances on VS and AS moved to 2 low/mid tier servers on US ladder, they would crush it in no time and make it to top tier easy

Asklepious.6014:

Gwal.2813:

All servers are actually in a the same datacenter in Texas, including the EU ones.
You can type /ip in game to see the actual IP of your server.

That’s why I think a solution of having two ladders (International worldwide ladder / EU local ladder) is realistic and doable : it’s just about reorganizing things and won’t frustrate anyone.

“There will be 3 major regional designations for the release of Guild Wars 2:

Europe: Defined as Western Europe and Eastern Europe. Players in these regions connect to the European datacenter.

North America: Defined as Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Players in these regions connect to the North American datacenter.

Other: All countries not already listed above will connect to the North American datacenter"

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

I know what they said about the servers. But that’s not the case. I tried it on Vizunah (FR) and it was a IP localized in Texas.

Asklepious.6014:

You do realize that there are 2 data centers. One for EU and the other one covers the rest of the world. Meaning NA, Brazil, Australia, even parts of Asia if I’m not mistaken. So not sure if you know or not but all of those have very different time zones. It’s the servers obligation to set up and recruit people to the server in your off hours. WvW is supposed to be dynamic (always changing) if you just have it set so only people from one time zone gets on that would get very boring after awhile. Most people don’t like more of a challenge but I know I sure do.

And I still don’t understand what you meant by what Anet promised… they promised not to hold your hand and for it to be dynamic and we knew in beta of these 2 data centers and how the “regions / timezones of the world” were going to be paired.

All servers are actually in a the same datacenter in Texas, including the EU ones.
You can type /ip in game to see the actual IP of your server.

That’s why I think a solution of having two ladders (International worldwide ladder / EU local ladder) is realistic and doable : it’s just about reorganizing things and won’t frustrate anyone.

This problem just happen to bother at least the 50% of EU ladder that are on localized servers, that’s 25% of the game players
But what the hell, we are just EU players, and US probably don’t give a kitten about EU

waeren.9743:

So the EU “nightcapping” servers are complaining about getting “nightcapped”?!

Check the sticky on this very forum, in there ArenaNet states very clearly that it’s a 24/7 game. WvW is a coverage game, you can’t blame people for trying to get their coverage fixed. If NA guilds want to give EU servers a shot, let them have the possibility. More competition is always great.

If you rolled on a FR, SP, DE server you joined it for the community, it was an option and you chose that option. And now you’re complaining over an option you got?

If ANet would have wanted the EU ladder to be worldwide, they wouldn’t have created 2 ladder.

24/7 geographic coverage make no sense in EU where maybe 80% people go to sleep around the same time.
50% of the EU ladder are localized servers. By coming to EU ladder, NA guilds are kittening up all of those players
Why ? because those localized server cannot recruit nightpop that speak their language.

And the problem is so simple to solve for making everybody happy :

• you want 24/7 competition, worldwide fights at any hour ? -> go on “US worldwide ladder”
• you want to play with people “around GMT” -> go to “Euro local” ladder

There is a possibility for everyone to have what they want, I just dont get why some people want to kitten the game for half the EU ladder ?

@JAX
No, 50% of EU servers won’t have any 24/7 coverage because they are localized.

To answer the topic : It’s clear that there should be 2 separate ladders :

• one worldwide (like the NA one is) with all people who wants 24/7 action,
• and another ladder for European local only (with 90% players that goes sleeping at the same time)

everyone would be happy in this case.
But the actual situation is ridiculous : a few guilds migrating US→EU are kittening up more than 50% of the EU ladder

Vayra.3290:

Yheazi.8034:

Vayra.3290:

Or how about we keep it simple and stick to the way things work now?

If you want to win, you can be on a server in the top 2-3 tiers and play with the more or less 24/7 coverage, or if you just want to have fun fights with people in mainly 1 timezone you can stick to one of the lower tiers. There’s no need to change anything.

How about German, Spanish and French servers then ? They will never be able to make it into tier 1 because Americans, Asians or whoever are not going to move to these servers because of the language. Is that fair ? Hinder localized servers from trying to climb the ladder because they do no attract overseas guilds ?

Merge the ladders or prevent people from moving to EU if they choose a US server and vice versa. People wanting to play with American friends would be allowed to choose a server a the beginning and might have to pay an extra fee to move from a continent to another.

Only the Germans have that issue. The Spanish can recruit South-Americans or Spanish speaking people from the US. The French can recruit French-Canadians. Only the Germans do not have large German-speaking areas outside of Europe.

Either way it’s working out fine, quite a few of the top ranked servers in EU are national servers. Of the top 6 there are 2 French, 2 German and 2 English. In fact, if you go through the top 15 EU servers, 10 are national servers making up 2 out of 3 servers in each of those 5 matchups. So the whole argument that national servers can’t do well falls flat on its face when we look at actual facts. There is only one bracket without any national servers atm in EU and that is the very bottom bracket.

edit: You can see for yourself here: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#EU

there is no canadian guild interested in playing on FR
there is no community of spanish speaking Latin American guildwars 2 players

There is FR and DE at the top of the actual EU ladder because there was no US presence on it. But more and more US guild are migrating to EU. The ladder was fine as it was, but they will ruin the balance, Desolation has already begun.

It would be so simple to solve this with two ladders :

• one being worldwide and 24/7
• other being Euro local only

and I don’t know why people wouldn’t want this, what’s the point besides kittenin up the Euro players that want it ?