Guild Wars 2

Never said things where perfect, just that they aren’t as bad as everyone is saying they are. And a lot of the things people complain about on the forums aren’t even things that matter or are the “op” problems. This topic is about the “best” classes in spvp the problem with this is every ones saying gaurdians mesmer and thief if those where the only 3 classes used in a teams structure they wouldn’t get very far now would they?
There is no “best” class because if one person said an awnser to it then it is automatically an opinion not a fact, the fact is everything has a role to play and nothing is “OP” there may be small tweaks to fix later down the road but nothing to an extent that it would drastically effect the game or that couldn’t be countered in some shape way or form. The only question it balls down to is if it’s to difficult to counter how bad would the change have to be and how would it effect the game. These are the questions you ask about something when you believe or suspect it to be overpowered.

this thread is becoming more about tactics and favoritism and not why they are so over powered. a class isn’t overpowered if a good player uses their skills right and has premediatated abilities built from experience. I still feel the game is far too new to decide if something is overpowered yet.

It’s arena nets way of getting everyone naked >:D

They didn’t misread your statement, you’re just wrong and they disagree with you because of that. Some classes are currently objectively better than other classes.

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- No. You even contradict yourself. It’s not a huge deal, because anet even tell’s people to stop complaining and find counters they spent years making this game.
They didn’t just pull idea’s out of a hat and throw them together they sat down day and night with each class and each skill and thought of a balance for them all gave them classes roles and counters to those roles people are just lazy or can’t even think of counters because it’s just to “hard” for them so instead of balancing the game people will force them to dumb it down for you all I have never had a problem with any of these classes. Let me tell you what I do when fighting each of these classes so you get an idea.
( I play ranger)
Mesmers to start off.

When a mesmers approaches me or I approach it I lay my first line of conditions down.
shortbow poison, cripple, short bow AA bleed, then short bow daze to add pressure, I also crtl target because they will soon start laying mirriors. second the mirrors pop. I switch to Axe it hits many targets and kills the mirrors very very quickly. If I see chaos storm I move out of it. If Im confused I remove it or don’t attack I play conditions I don’t need to rely on my Auto Attack as a matter of fact my Auto attack is always turned off I just hit 1 when the mirrors are killed which is usually quickly I use my pet abilities and quickly apply my burst conditions via throw torch axe roots and pet, second if applied them I daze then pet stun meaning (switching back to shortbow) cripple and finish them off they are squishy only trouble is dealing with the mirrors which i take out every time in tpvp very quickly may get annoying when they stealth but I usually kite away lengthly till they come back and re approach.

Theifs

The best theives are those who go into condition and survivability over crit but just incase I run into any type of crit junky I have my traits set up and my utility that makes me invulnerable for 6 seconds. I just pop it when they burst and kill them if their burst doesn’t work. If you aren’t stupid then you should have no problem killing something with 14-16k health and 900 toughness .. no excuses. So lets describe this for when I’m attacking a skilled player. The thief would spec into bleeds they can apply 25 stacks of bleeds easy with just caltrops dodging and utility im pretty sure if the max wasnt 25 it would far surpass this. Then they would sustain those bleeds with support from deathblossom or pistols. You could have ur kite/HS theif, or my favorite DD always theif with the stealth utilities and just death blossom cloak and dagger back stab repeat till they are dead. counter for this is easy don’t stand in the caltrops when they stealth keep moving as for me I lay my traps turn around till I see my condition ticks ( you can see condition tics hitting people in stealth) Then start attacking again second they are unstealthed I stun re apply conditions then kite and move if they are pistols I use my traps, dodge when I hear rapid fire, shortbow daze to push their cloak
Then second they unpop out of stealth use my pet stun apply my burst conditons via axe roots and pet poison go back to shortbow and finish them off.

as for gaurdians I’ve already made a post at what I do to gaurdians in a thread already
( even necros as for how I react to people who can strip conditions or send them back to me) so read the post before you come back and reply with a blah blah they are still op because they are not unless I guess Rangers are now the new OP of the week.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Juking-dodging-and-other-Advanced-Gameplay-skills/first#post339787

here ^

But yea so back to what I was saying don’t complain that things are just to hard don’t expect to be able to just walk in and faceroll people the games still fairly new people are finding new tactics and strategies everyday still so figure them out and play the game.

when you level youll get traits and soon realize in wvw its also about your gear and builds you create based on stats from your gear runes and gems in that gear traits and weapons all combined to work with your parties interests.

you both misread my statement i said no class is better than another because they all have specific counters and have their own importance of a role to play. The only people who call a class op is because they obviously hit this margin and can’t kill it period usually these people complaining are the crit junkies who get steamed rolled via skill/strategy because their quick cap hits don’t work anymore. Or new people un intelligable of other classes and their capabilities.

as a ranger i stun with my shortbow making classes use their break cc CD’s then i use my pets special ability which is a stun twice as long to follow up with it immediatly that way they cant counter it regardless, then i follow up with my second pets stun and repeat the process. although for the jukes your talking about people always always dodge my roots ability (unless they fail) so i’ve learned when they see my jumping in the air emote i dodge break it when they dodge and repeat till it finally hits.

another thing i do is i stack my short bow bleeds trap bleeds onto classes that can strip/send conditions alot of people freak when they see my short bow/trap bleeds short bow poisons and flame trap conditions all stack onto them instantly and usually blow their heavy cooldowns ( alot of the time during this i also land their heals from panics). When they do I use my pet/axe bleeds & roots along with my heavy burns from torch and pet poisons all which do WAAAY more dmge and are a much longer/heavier condition. By then I can just switch right back to my short bow and use my traps to sustain the conditions for longer periods of time as well as using the techniques i mentioned above in stunning/ juking them to prevent any other forms of movement and viabilities to counter at this point of the fight they have already used their defensive skills and I have not used mine because I am always sure to open heavy first so all I have to do is take slow time and play defensive while my applied conditions do the rest and just stay alive while maintaining them.

I have noticed if I fight skilled people or very tanking people this technique forces them into a cycle to where their cd’s my have come back (Bunker Gaurdians) and by the time my heavy conditions have fallen off and only my trap/shortbow are applied they have to remove them again to not die and my torch/pet conditions are off CD to be re applied again. /repeat

A seperate approach to those still reading is using the short bow stuns to break the CC cd’s at the start and save the 2 pet stuns for when you have poped their cleanse/send conditions abilities (usually on more squishier targets via necros) so the stun holds them till they are dead that way most panic necro save death shroud for the oh crap moments before death and this counters it to were the heavy applied conditions kill them while CC’ed indefinately.

8v8 is actually perfect to learn 5v5… If you see a zerg coming.. run? why try and fight 1v8 and don’t tell me that HUGE bulking HULK like norns and charr ninja’d up and snuck on you, you can see people a billion miles away just kite and pay attention it’s pvp. Also don’t take random insta-ques serious have fun get killed and kill people while practicing your own skills in the game then when you step up find a guild for tpvp if your friends arent on and chip in to the world of it. Theres tons of people recruiting for tpvp im sure you’ll find others who want to join just speak out.

you should switch the Greatsword out for torch-axe and use a shortbow religiously
get rid of your snake trap and bear and grab a spider and stalker the spider for CC against melee the stalker to damage range/casters your short bow will apply the poisons and free up a utility for you which I alternate all the time baised on what I’m doing anyways.

I have never fought a bunker gaurdian I couldn’t kill in tpvp as a rnager yea they maybe able to remove conditions and have retaliation but I can apply those same conditions all day long and he can remove them so many times before hes dead. And of course you have those gaurdians who can full heal but as a shortbow/axe-torch ranger running dual spider pets I can stun him long enough after hes removed my conditions to just apply all my conditions again which do over 30k altogether and auto attack him to death everytime. But I’m sure condition necros would be a far better counter to gaurdians since they can turn all boons into conditions and strip boons like crazy.

Like I said before don’t listen to people about bunker gaurdians because there’s 101 counters to them no class is better than another. Alot of hard classes have boon strips which all gaurdians rely on, as well as stuns and interupts to prevent their healing and protection. + gaurdians may be tanking but sorry friend conditions hurt just as much regardless of your armor if your looking for the most viable class in the game it is the ranger( viable doesn’t mean op just has more options). Not the Greatsword rangers because if your going into battle with a melee weapon with squishy armor your crazy but shortbow/axe-torch works best. I’ve notice in everything I’ve played it’s best to stay away from the crit junky builds because even though you may be able to spike a kill in seconds all it takes is a simple dodge and your owned so run a basic build where your skills focus a little more into 1-2 things than the others. I run conditions and toughness then even out the other stats at 50% crit and a little bit of power and you’ll do fine the rest comes from experience and premeditation.

Did i mention I almost never lose a fight 1v1 as ranger? but people never say they are op is probably because all of them wields them d@*$ greatswords -.- lol

Obviously no one can agree on this matter so here is an idea that would fix everything and make everyone happy. Why not add real world arenas where pve gear is used and then spvp arenas for tourny and rank where its pure skill and not progression.? This way everyone gets the light of the world and enjoy pvp the way they want to. I’m sure people do not like WvW because it’s so big and rely’s on massive party coordination
( some people like to keep to themselves) and others don’t like spvp because there is no progression the world is locked to itself and you don’t see much benefit because some people just don’t care how they look. It’s also more of strategy than brute force and people prefer more of the personal player kill where you have to fight and not run away. Then of course you have those who want gear to matter in Pvp because they want to feel a reason for those long grinds of glory or feel like they get stronger as they progress so there becomes the pyramid scheme where only the best geared fight the best geared and so on and so on down the chain. And at last we have those who want death matches where it’s just an all our brutal fight to the death and nothing more. These features of the 2 new arenas would not only satisfy everyone but also bring back some of the old touches in Gw1 where a lot of us old Guildwars veterans spent months in the arenas. It would also add a better touch to the “end game feel” where people in pve can hang out after beating the game or people who just don’t like pve to jump right in and have a more broad selection in the pvp world to pick from so they don’t get so tired of the same things over and over. It could also open new doors for Arena net to host different tournaments or rewards or do anything they want. But this is just my opinion I guess well see if others view the same in the reply’s tell me what you all think.

“You obviously don’t play tPvP, your opinion is therefore invalid”

Wow I’m assuming …. no im not just wow haha. How could you not see how important
10 seconds is in tpvp? Like have you not realized in situations like zerging the keep asap the second the game even starts of how important 10 seconds is? or leaving a base undefended to take the lord or kill a boss and instantly change the game around because the other team stole caps instead??
if that mesmer debunks a base and a gaurdian take in to hold it that 10 seconds turns into a 20 -30 second hold which could drastically change the outcome of a game that’s a lot of points… and points are everything. As he said before a good mesmer always casts that elite in stealth so good luck using your “spidey” senses and dodging it cause you can’t unless your foolishly lucky by dodging a mirror auto-cast.

no such thing as a best profession in spvp it’s all about how you play everything can counter anything else so just pick what feels most natural to you.

You know first of all you say guilds when it was 1 guild of 15 people of which only like 6 came over.. second this entire THREAD is about people from BG TRANSFERING to DB so you stole a lot of our people and we just replaced a very small marigain so goes both ways but of course people will always find an excuse to why they loose soon it’ll just be well our people are afk or im laggy or my dog ate my computer. doesn’t matter, I’ll just use Kaides infamous line and say it back to them " look at the score board". but one thing is for certain when BG is in last place we don’t make excuses we just carry on till the end.

Apparently i guess were going to stay on all evening from what the vent chat is saying because we want everything on the map >:D So primetime or not this will be a big problem for you DB

ah so here is the final update of us now in the lead and less than 6 minutes ago we started getting ques. It is funny because I hear prime time for us is supposed to be in 3 more hours from what i see from previous posts yet we did this and held it for the past 6 hours. So we will see I guess if you can fix the mess we caused before i come back, but I’m pretty sure its gunna be a pain for you with our ques full, and tomorrow you’ll just see me again and we will repeat the process. Have fun man sorry you feel that way about BG you are the only one who feels the way you do everyone else seems cheerful and has a great time with us although you’ll always get the occassional troll now and then. Well anyways have fun man.

See that’s the problem you ignore the bases and what you call “flipping houses” which disregards those points that build the score.. so while we are doing that and your ignoring those “flips” build up to something that looks like this. those 600 points every 15 minutes will cause you to “look at your score” and see you just lost the lead. So what will be the new form of comment now after you cannot say " look at the score" anymore?

For those of you who said Blackgate was doomed and had no leadership this is what we accomplished in the past few hours. thanks for the transfer and it was fun fighting you

Yea we’re apart of the BG Alliance Gryphonix and I was thinking the same thing about all of this. No one in the entire BG alliance of any form of leadership would nazi over some one trying to take lead in WvW. As a matter of fact we encourage it because since gw2 is still fairly new and a lot of people in WvW do not take part in leading squads around or organizing raiding parties it becomes an issue. When the normal leaders aren’t on we need people working together, all of this in my opinion is a misunderstanding as was said above. The only way I can see what Kaide says to be true
of the blocking thing, is if he was arrogantly arguing and misusing chat in WvW till it became a problem.