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thats a not complete quote… that was in context of RANK ( as in PVE you have titles) we should know wich rank/title have on WvW so we can choose better.

Solstice.1097:

experienced players know who the experienced commanders are

However I would be in favor of commanders being able to “nominate” each other for bigger and better titles.

Originally my idea was change commander to “General” and all General tag purchases come with a 1-time consumable that if you are in a squad and use it, it gives a “vote” to the General whose squad you are in.

As you gain votes your title and icon progresses

5 votes = commander
10 votes = veteran commander
25 votes = legendary commander

**Possible twist to this – those with votes to their tag CAN if they choose give their votes to other commanders – when in their squad you can click a button that gives 1 of your votes to them.

just some of my thoughts.

OH i do know wich ones are good or wich ones are NOT.
But that doesnt make any change, they still tag up.

Also is not about just experienced players, opposite to that is even more important for new players who are learning, training and need a good reference to follow.

Its a good idea about vote… but i think… its that going to help? or most populated GUILDs will take over just becuase numbers?

Its pretty much also whats is happening, so still no related to personal experience.

But is cool, i didnt think about that, sure can be another approach to try something here with votes.

Blodeuyn.2751:

I understand your frustration, but these ideas really won’t work. I say this as a commander who spends 99% of my time on the home borderland. Because I am not out there grinding wxp my rank is only 240. My first priority is defending/upgrading the homeland so even though I am experienced and a “good” commander, I would be penalized because I choose to forego wxp in favor of the best interests of my server.

People should learn quick enough who is good and who is not, good being a subjective term.

Thanks, well i hope Anet maybe check this out… im sure there is SOMETHING that can be change to get better results.

Pyrock.4518:

And when all of the highly ranked commanders move off of your server because of drama or community issues you will have big gaps with no commanders and less wxp coming in to get new commanders. I’m not saying the commander icon is a good system but I think the problems you are having with it might be more indicative of an issue with the WvW community on your server.

I do know that too, but this could help us but also we need to think bigger.

There is alot of SVs in the same situation, so we can work with ANET to try to change this so we can help to make this fair enough for alot more ppl and just not moving out from my SV to another one.

No I totally understand your point, and I do wish that there were a better system. I just do not think that WvW rank is a feasible means, because of the aforementioned: alts, fact it is not account bound, and that it still does not measure the aptitude of the commander. It just assures you that they should know what they are doing since they have spent _ amount of time in order to gain said rank. Granted that might be a better system than the “pay 100g” one we have in place now, it still would have many drawbacks.

Going off your suggestion I came to a few ideas:

-Split the PVE and WvW commander tags if they are going to stay at 100g for a tag. Then all of the folks that bought it for PVE would have to really decide if they wanted to commit another 100g.

or

-Have each current commander’s tag and future purchased tags to be chosen by the player to be classified as either: PVE or WvW, and color code them as such IE: Blue for PVE, and Red for WvW. Then when a PVE-colored (Blue) commander enters WvW, people would have an idea of their experience level and that they are likely more PVE-centric than some of the WvW-only folks.

or

-Make the tags based on WvW achievements, which are account bound rather than the character bound wxp/ranks.
-Obviously the achievements would need to be reasonably attained, but still enough distance that “Johnny come lately” wouldn’t be able to farm it in 30 days.
-Kills, defenses, captures, etc could/should all be taken into account to insure that said player(s) has experienced a broad spectrum of WvW.

While I believe that any/all of these could help the situation, there would still be issues, and people would still be unhappy.

This is cool, nice contribution, that can also work out i think.

Achievment is very workable for this matter.

Edit here> We are trying to talk about ideas that actually can make a change, not just complaining.
This reply is great. Ty

lioka qiao.8734:

I have 4 alts that I command from, with plans to get tags for two more. You would end up stopping me from doing that.

Would your idea also end up stripping tags from those who don’t meet the rank requirement? New Small guilds would never have tags. Players who could be good commanders have to time grind to get the tag. Even after r400 you’re gonna end up with commanders who do the things that caused this post in the first place. The only difference is now they rode the Karma train for 4 months.

I mean what is this? Small guild wont be able to have their tags?
What guild have to do with this? Rank is player-character bound.

And did you check all the information? you WILL BE ABLE TO GET TAG, after you really get the rank require., otherwise you wont.

Thats why is this post about, to avoid no experience commanders.

So yes if you want to command you should spend more time on WvW, if you want rank account bound then you can open a new topic about that… i dont disagree on that, but is not a solution for this topic.

You can still using your tag for PVE, or Guild sync if you need to.

So there is no easy way to get to 400rank, 4 months… of Karma training?
stop saying this kind of stuff.. at least you support this with experience.

If is so easy to reach that rank and you wont learn anything in that time..why still having alot of low rank commanders and also players?

Is not easy to get to 400 rank so, stop talking about that as easy thing and that make no difference!

Whe are trying to avoid ignorance.

King Amadaeus.8619:

System kind of has a way of filtering itself. The bad commanders stop getting followed, and eventually tag down and find something else to do.

Nowadays we have so many that I do not even need to tag up, some of them go and some stay. Only bad thing is that you have to spend a couple of weeks watching these people fail before they realize what they’re doing wrong or they just find something else to do. But to me, that is just part of the process.

I do know you are allways around on WvW, and dont get me wrong, im not trying to confront.

For me thats is a problem, and a waste of time. We dont need that kind of commanders around, thats is more like for regular players allowed if you wanna to see whats happening or try the field.

You know alot of commanders start trying, then go away after dont get followed but in the middle is like weeks of waste of time.

Also is easy to see that to you, or me or another guys who played alot… but still not good for regular players that just get in.

I know that the system works as you say… im just saying that need to change asap, and the only way to do it atm is rank based since there is not another way to work on that…and ANET is not going to drop a extreme change to work this out.

So rank based is like a possible solution, that can be apply without a extreme change.

Thats why supporting this idea, of course there is like 1million of other options, but are they possible to implement?

I dont believe is better as is atm, we need a change.

I do have xtreme hours on WvW too so this is why im droping this.

But there is not actually another way to show your time spended in WvW than RANK. So i dont see why this is not good measurement.

Is better to leave this system without filter? why whould be not good rank? if they spend hours there…and i mean alot of months to get their ranks we should respect that.
Edit here: And how is better work with low rank commander instead this idea?

I dont believe that a small groups/farmers or whatever will get to rank 400 and doesnt learn anything.

And also believe that is not the way you will get to 400. If you reach 400 im sure you did alot more than farm sentry or small things…. and i mean alot.

400 rank is not a few weeks reach, so i still belive this is a great idea since WvW experiences is rank based.

Totally make sense to me.

clint.5681:

I think what he is getting at that there isn’t an easy way for newer or wvw inexperienced players to see at a glance who is an experienced commander since anyone can drop 100g and get a tag. I also think commander tags should be color coded and earned.

Probably a good number of new players follow thesenew commanders around and think the way those noob commanders are playing is how WvW is played.

Of course us who play WvW a lot can easily determine who is a good commander, it’s not always all about us.

True, i do run WvW alot… but i do think that… new players get in and maybe they run that way no cool commanders… and then no comming back to WvW just becuase bad experience.

I agree in alot of aspects, getting in the main issue (rank/credibility) i can quote:

" it does not measure how successful a person is or will be when tagged up. Just proves that they spend a lot of time on one character in WvW"

TRUE, but you need at least that to command (in my opinion) that should be a minimum requirement. Spend alot of time in WVW before you tag up, thats why rank filter that i sugest.

“-Remember everyone has to start somewhere, and granted there will be people that are just tagged up for the novelty. (Likely time will weed these folks out)”

True, but if you are a regular player is cool. If commmander want to lead, then repect other players and spend alot of time here to get your rank higher.

Sry but, i belive that you everytime lead to take something camp/tower/keep/castle commander still take points for tha,t same defending.

So… i dont see that commander can be under rank just becuase they are lding or…idk.

If for any reason, you dont get more ranks commanding than the guys you are leading… then you should spend more hours working on you SV to get higher rank and more experience.

But i belive that is not necesary.

Is like the excuse to be a lower rank commander or the option to be a higher rank one.

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

I would leave the blue commander tag as is available for sale to anybody, but I would add maybe three more tags you could not purchase until you have sufficient rank. blue->green->yellow->red

This is similar to other abilities you need sufficient rank to use, like traits and gear.

this is cool. agree.

Also about account bound well agree too.
I only use 1 character, so if you stick to WvW today you need to work just in one.

If you are a commander… and a high ranked one, i belive you wont switch to you noob character to command….

I did alot of that too… and i belive that yes 400rank is a good filter. If you like wvw and want to command, why not reach that rank to command?

Instead we have new commanders of low ranks or almost experienced, we will get solid ground commanders.

That can be only good, since after that you know that we are following a dude who really likes WvW and worked alot the reach higher rank a lead others.

Its like fair enough.

Guys are you real? commandr over 300rank or 400rank is the same for you as one as rank70?
Im mean really…it has alot to do with leadership and skills because you have to spend alot of hours to get a higher rank like this.

So its has alot to do!

I agree on colours, thats could be a good option.

Niim.9260:

In past games there was no such thing as a ‘commander’ icon, you learned who to follow based on their performance and abilities. Suddenly because we have a commander tag, you feel obligated to follow them… why? You are not capable of making your own decision in game on if you should follow someone or not?

What does rank have to do with leadership anyways? Someone that avoids fighting and just PvDoors will have a higher rank that a leader that tries to play for PPT or fighting, yet by your standard the PvDoor hero is better.

There are much bigger issues then your inability to determine who to follow. We have a commander system that means nothing. For some reason they tied squad creation to commanders only, then they decided to create no interface for the squad. Most recently they created a LFG tool that doesn’t have a section for WvW. And that is just the stuff related to leading.

Lol dude, my inability to determine who to follow? are you real?…. this is not about me, is about all players inside a map.

Rank has alot to do with this, if you do not spend hours on WvW you wont get rank.
So pretty much represent experiences on field, if you dont have it you dont have tools to work.

3 commanders working in the same map, spliting zerg just becuase.. for example.

Is not a minor issue, if you thing you have all this figure out then cool.

Alot of new players get insisde WvW everyday and they just follow icons, they do not have your special abilities to choose the best leader.

So you should think in the bigger picture.
Still alot of thing to resolv for sure, but this is not minor.

Well i just droping this so ANET maybe listen.

Seems for me like a sad thing that there is not commander filter for rank.
Anyone whos got 100g an get inside WvW is able to command.

This usually doesnt work, we are allways under some pretty new commanders.

I belive that a rank filter (300/400 at least for commander) could be the best choice to make this serious. Are we starting a league and this is working like this?

As ANET proly wont take this idea so, i belive that we should have the option to CHOOSE WHO ARE WE FOLLOW, we need to see our title rank at least, so i can choose wich player follow

Some times even guys with rank under 100 are commanding just because they have a TAG of a cool GUILD and they work on Team Speak.

For me is crap. I saw alot of this guys doing crap and im pretty much droping time on WvW because i allways found underank commanders, that pretty much are commmanding all the time.

Hope this dont push alot of us to leave WvW at the end… im pretty much close, since i dont having fun lately.

TY.

lol the img!! nice

ahahha how cool is this

its a big deal. Makes differences for me.