First note****
Thank you to the kind Dev for having the guts to throw out an idea for the community to poke holes in. We understand that it’s just an idea for discussion and not the current plan of action. Beware of trolls but remember we REALLY do love and appreciate THIS KIND of discussion.
*****End note****
While I liked what the red post has to say about Alliances… I do have some serious concerns that would need addressed.
Population imbalance by timezone:
Setting alliances against eachother that have max of say 5,000 players doesn’t solve timezone imbalances.
Lets say one alliance is very NA heavy, the other is of moderate NA population but also has a FAR larger SEA, OCX and EU population. The very NA heavy alliance could still be matched vs them but be TOTALLY blown out of the water just because of the TIMEZONE POPULATION!
New players/guildless players:
Please explain how new players and guildless players are supposed to:
A) Try WvW for the first time (not EOTM)
B) How do you join an Alliance?
—-Is it open invite like worlds are?
—-Or is it restricted like GW1 Alliances (because that comes with many new issues)
C) How do you change alliances?
D) What is the difference between Alliances and the current world system if its open invite?
From what I read an Alliance is just like a world, but it doesn’t count PvE only players against the player cap. If that is the case why not just alter the current World Population Cap to be based on WvW population?
Sorry if all that I have to say has been covered but I don’t have time this morning to read 12 pages.
Since people (and a lot of people do) transfer servers all of the time especially during the tournament, I would say the majority of people could care less about server identity they want to be somewhere where they can win.
So holding onto the server identity complaint is from the minority, and shouldn’t be an issue.
it’s derailing any hopes of something to change anytime this year or the next.
take the bottom 6 servers out(calculated from last 6 months performance), give players a month to switch, THEN start working on these other convoluted ideas.
this is just getting waaaaay overcomplicated.
and I also propose all Anvil Rock, Borlis Pass and Ehmry Bay peeps to find a way to land on the same side
So the people that did stick with their servers, instead of paying to win by transferring, should be the ones to lose their servers? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The people who are complaining that their server is constantly outmanned, has no will to fight, or that they simply don’t/can’t field enough people to compete are precisely the ones who should see their servers merged. There’s absolutely no logical reason to destroy only the servers where people are generally happy with the current WvW balance, whether it’s with a forced dismantling or merger, or whether it’s with some sort of passive means, such as punishing servers with a healthy WvW population by artificially inflating the ques there through some sort of new “Lower WvW Cap”.
I mean, you started this thread about how your server needs help with population &/or Outmanned issues, to such a degree that your server (which is in 2nd to last place, currently) can’t even compete consistently in Tiers 7 or 8; you can’t really believe that there’s no problem at all with Anvil Rock, and that this is somehow EVERYONE ELSE’S SERVERS FAULT, and therefore they need to change, not AR… can you? Because that really seems to be what you’ve been pushing this whole time: “Please Anet, bring the map caps down only the number of players that my NEXT-TO-LAST-PLACE SERVER can field, it’s the only way to save WvW!” I mean, it just doesn’t make sense! I have to ask here, was this whole thread originally based on a troll post? If so… you got us, man! Good one.
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To start with, I play in Blackgate and I transferred there before the end of free transfer, so my view is heavily biased towards how we in BG WvW. Also thanks to the dev guy who spends time looking through these posts, bad idea though
TLDR:
Help servers get organized and improve their WvW. Maybe add a feature to easily rally their existing population.
Server mergers, battle groups/guild(or sever?) alliances, population caps are listed bad to worst for me. Those should be used as last resort, or better yet scrapped altogether.
I have not read ALL of the posts, but browsing through, there’s a lot of negative ideas floating around. By negative, I mean destroying or at the very least damaging what’s already there like T1 servers, and the current WvW model.
So instead, why not try to improve the other servers first?
Looking at the top servers, at least in NA, most people usually says they are over-stacked, high population and whatever. But how did they get stacked with WvW players? Guild transfers in some way, but it is still because the people in those servers organized their WvW population and recruited from PVE.
Blackgate is really fortunate to have had an organized WvW community early in the game. Right now, it’s quite hard to rally your server due to megaservers. Gone are the days of people shouting in chat to get more people in WvW.
Maybe add a sort of chatbox in the WvW window for servers to view, or some feature to help organize.
Regarding population, none of us have any right to comment about it since WE HAVE NO DATA. Though even the low population servers can probably queue WvW if they want to since each WvW map can only hold a hundred players per server.
But since server mergers have been mentioned by the dev, they probably have some idea of actual deficit in players. If you want to merge servers, looking at the huge timezone gaps and try to balance it there is how. Sorry but it’s hard to separate general WvW population and timezone coverage unless you plan to make WvW regional, in which case, that’s boring as hell and we’ll all just play during NA :/
As to how to keep world pride, merging with previous enemies,, WvW is supposed to be competitive, and the thought of fighting other servers in other tiers should help re-build world pride and the enemy of my enemy thinking should apply
Sorry, battlegroups whatever doesn’t convince me that it’s a good idea. That will also counter against world pride and whatnot, that the first question regarding mergers aim to resolve.
Population caps are simply dumb. Just no.
Guess this is their definition of roaming the 2nd pic has more but they disappeared when taking it. I’m tired of Guilds claiming to roam when in fact I’ve never seen them by themselves to “Stand on Their two legs”.
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Don’t preach roaming if in fact you don’t solo roam or you roam with 5 or more.Trying to preach how to roam but sitting on a wall behind the legendary guards yourself. How typical….
Blackgate has a lot of solo roamers, if our enemies get pushed back then there really isn’t anything to go out hunting for which results in our roamers gathering up in 1 spot. They’re hoping that numbers gather and that you’ll push out… Looking at the screenshot, you had numbers but yah…
I’m sorry this is the only pic or knowledge of one of your guild members being alone until in the end I got 1v3.
You should probably check the tag again. If you’re looking for one on one’s, the windmill is a great place. Open world pvp is well, open world pvp. Might I suggest to you a more mobile class? You seem to end up on the ground quite a bit.
I guess I stand corrected so I’ve never seen an OPP guy by himself. I’m just stating the facts the roaming is 1vW or at most 5vW after that your just looking for easy kills among the roamers. Even if its just 3 of yall plus pugs you always have to count them.
All I can say is keep trying bud. Some day you’ll figure it out.
My whole point is that you guys Gank people not roam your not looking for fights your looking to Gank people similar to how people in WOW did. I’m not claiming I don’t do it but to call your selves a roaming Guild is in fact a lie. My Guild doesn’t claim they don’t zerg, roam, defend, blah blah the guild claimes that they are roaming Guild I’m suggesting other wise. Not once did I say I’m looking for 1v1s. I guess I will keep trying and looking for “players that stand out” among the crowed.
You seem to be basing your opinion off a few oPP members that were spawn camping yesterday. From what I was told the map was dead so they were where the only action on the map was.
You do realize that there are maybe 12 to 15 active oPP members spread across all the time zones? Do we have members that mostly roam solo? Sure we do, does that mean they are running the oPP tag at the time? Not always, a tremendous amount of heat comes with running this tag so it isn’t always an option when solo. Have you ever had a whole map zerg turn and chase just you half way across the map?
As to our group size, yeah, we usually run in groups of 2 or 3, sometimes up to 5 and on the rare wild night we might have close to 8 people running on one map! We actually enjoy each others company, like running with each other and have had many great small scale roaming fights with other groups that are like minded. As to your comment about pugs or the green dot adds, it’s open world, we have no control over them.
TSF, ahh, I remember this tag now. Saw a few of you when me and 3 other oPP were messing around TC BL north camp two days ago. Had a good time by the way. 
I’m assuming you are the necro in Jado’s first video at the top. lol.
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