Guild Wars 2

Oh well, I sent all names involved, your scrrenshots, posts, and videos of the Thief, and how a Mesmer can utilize the perma stealth bug to Anet. They can decide what to do. I wouldn’t expect you guys to be anymore honest about it, than when BP pulls stunts, and makes their excuses.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Anytime it involves a dead mesmer we can’t force a respawn on, it is not legit. I could care less about what the Thief does.

Except there was no dead mesmer involved in any back cap in AR borderland all night. I’d say pics or it didn’t happen, but we have the video. It’s pretty obvious you don’t have the pics.

Live and learn or stay here and keep up the QQs. Either way, you’ve killed any interest I had for banter on the forums this evening. Seeya at garrison. Again. And likely a couple times more.

Then your mesmer is using the bug in the video I posted above. Which is it?

oZii.2864:

LadyLad.1389:

Anytime it involves a dead mesmer we can’t force a respawn on, it is not legit.

Sooo what your saying is that as soon as you fully die you should be forced to WP back or are you just saying Mesmers should be forced to WP.

Yea I am sure both of those are not coming soon or ever.

Not sure whats so hard about having 1 person guard the dead mesmer body until you did your Super Duper 100% Keep completion needed to forge a legendary for the gift of Exploration.

Once the keep/tower has transferred hands, all corpses should be cleared out. That’s just common sense. You wouldn’t want to smell the rotting flesh, or risk contaminating water supplies, let alone deal with the flies.

Come on, you’re really defending a Mesmer staying dead, as a legit tactic?

Gorefiend.9675:

So now our mesmer was dead before taking your garrison? Learn something new everyday huh…

Then your mesmer is doing this….

…. which has been determined to be a bug.

Fox.3562:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Did you see any dead mesmer the last few times you lost your keep? Me neither.

PS – That video was made for informative purposes. It was a large part of CnD getting that bug fix.

BP makes excuses for every time they use something they shouldn’t. You’re no different at this point. Even you’ve been on the receiving end of their stuff, and been upset about it.

Yet here you’re expressing double standards. I bet if I search past posts, before this video you guys used the tactics as represented in that video, and called them legit too, at that time.

Classy.

I’m still not understanding what you think is exploitative? Should thieves not be able to stealth? Because having a Mesmer die in the keep and get rezzed is not the plan. It would make no difference to me if they made rezzing the dead impossible. We’d just have to be more careful.

That video Cake made was a proof of concept and the method was immediately reported as a glitch. That was the only tower that we ever captured using that technique. I don’t glitch, and I don’t condone people who do.

I stand by the statement that what we do is a 100% legitimate strategy.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Nice slight of hand – switching conversation from your poor Swiffer skills to an irrelevant informational video that served its purpose.

If you don’t want to learn from your mistakes, look forward to many more stolen keeps. We dealt with it in T4, and you get a wake up call now in T5. If you don’t sweep, you lose your keep.

Anytime it involves a dead mesmer we can’t force a respawn on, it is not legit. I could care less about what the Thief does.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Did you see any dead mesmer the last few times you lost your keep? Me neither.

PS – That video was made for informative purposes. It was a large part of CnD getting that bug fix.

BP makes excuses for every time they use something they shouldn’t. You’re no different at this point. Even you’ve been on the receiving end of their stuff, and been upset about it.

Yet here you’re expressing double standards. I bet if I search past posts, before this video you guys used the tactics as represented in that video, and called them legit too, at that time.

Classy.

Go ahead and search for posts about him doing that btw. All you will find is stuff thanking him for bringing it to ArenaNet’s attention. Good luck though.

I’m glad you decided to use these select words. He even defends using it in the youtube chat, when someone calls him on it. Yeah, you guys didn’t abuse any bugs, riiiigggghhhtt. Ok BP, it’s legit until it gets fixed.

Classy.

Gorefiend.9675:

Even if he were dead, it is still not an exploit. What was linked earlier was a mod stating that corpse spying was being worked on. He specifically avoided saying corpse rezzing.

Poor use of words by the developer, in a thread covering this very thing. Watch the interview recently posted. They actually cover it there.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Did you see any dead mesmer the last few times you lost your keep? Me neither.

PS – That video was made for informative purposes. It was a large part of CnD getting that bug fix.

BP makes excuses for every time they use something they shouldn’t. You’re no different at this point. Even you’ve been on the receiving end of their stuff, and been upset about it.

Yet here you’re expressing double standards. I bet if I search past posts, before this video you guys used the tactics as represented in that video, and called them legit too, at that time.

Classy.

oZii.2864:

LadyLad.1389:

Fox.3562:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

Marks need to hit someone who is in the area to trigger. Obviously you didn’t place them right.

Do you even know how Marks work?

Riiiiiggggghhhhht……… You so funny. It is ok though, Anet is going to fix this within the next two patches. It’s a cheap trick, usually coupled with an exploit with resurrection abilities, or Thieves getting themselves in places they shouldn’t be. You’re not the first server to use it, though all the other servers have admitted to it, and are now working to get it fixed.

Grats on such a cheesy tactic.

Unfortunately for BP and AR, nothing we do is cheesy/glitching/hacking/exploitative . All 100% legit using the games mechanics, so there’s nothing to admit to. Until they stop portals from being able to reach inside keeps and thieves from being able to stealth, I’m going to backcap your keeps.

And…. laying dead without being kicked out until all is clear to ressurect you. You were defeated, and are not alive. This is no different than a Thief using a wall, to remained stealthed permanently until everyone has left. Anet recognizes this, and have openly stated so, and are working on a fix.

This….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWzXy1ZQVI

…. is an exploit, no matter how you shake a stick at it.

Heh? They fixed that seems you aren’t up to date on the patches as you claim. You can’t Cloak and Dagger and remain in stealth. You can Cloak and dagger when it runs out and go back in stealth. What Ez did in that video is not possible anymore.

You should probably read his chat, before defending him. Let’s see what he says;

THIS NO LONGER WORKS GUYS, you have to now time ur CnD just as it ends, but u can get? something of the same effect.

Fox.3562:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

Marks need to hit someone who is in the area to trigger. Obviously you didn’t place them right.

Do you even know how Marks work?

Riiiiiggggghhhhht……… You so funny. It is ok though, Anet is going to fix this within the next two patches. It’s a cheap trick, usually coupled with an exploit with resurrection abilities, or Thieves getting themselves in places they shouldn’t be. You’re not the first server to use it, though all the other servers have admitted to it, and are now working to get it fixed.

Grats on such a cheesy tactic.

Unfortunately for BP and AR, nothing we do is cheesy/glitching/hacking/exploitative . All 100% legit using the games mechanics, so there’s nothing to admit to. Until they stop portals from being able to reach inside keeps and thieves from being able to stealth, I’m going to backcap your keeps.

And…. laying dead without being kicked out until all is clear to ressurect you. You were defeated, and are not alive. This is no different than a Thief using a wall, to remained stealthed permanently until everyone has left. Anet recognizes this, and have openly stated so, and are working on a fix.

This….

…. is an exploit, no matter how you shake a stick at it.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

Marks need to hit someone who is in the area to trigger. Obviously you didn’t place them right.

Do you even know how Marks work?

Riiiiiggggghhhhht……… You so funny. It is ok though, Anet is going to fix this within the next two patches. It’s a cheap trick, usually coupled with an exploit with resurrection abilities, or Thieves getting themselves in places they shouldn’t be. You’re not the first server to use it, though all the other servers have admitted to it, and are now working to get it fixed.

Grats on such a cheesy tactic.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

LadyLad.1389:

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

I call [HAX]!

You explain it. Why are my marks not triggering if someone is in an area? Do you honestly think we should believe that we’ve missed a spot 7 times now, with a large number of people searching, many of those people Necromancers putting down marks, which are the best thing to use against stealthed opponents?

Do you even know how Marks work?

@Fox

Since you’ve been posting this I’ve made a point to search every inch of every keep, and tower putting down marks as a Necromancer. Not once did a single mark trigger, so I’m sending this in to Anet to make a decision.

Other Necromancers can explain to you what it means for a mark to trigger, or not.

Something is fishy with what you’re doing, and it pains me to spend a stupid amount of time running around putting marks all over the place in evident hiding spots. People are not missing this often, it just isn’t possible.

Durzlla.6295:

LadyLad.1389:

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

You just made an argument about eles being “amazing kiters” due to their CC list and a large amount of those skills are from daggers, another large amount are from conjures…

And I -know- eles can stay at range nicely and can kite I play a staff ele… But they’re kitten if paired with a ranger.

D/D Elementalist will have a hard time fighting any ranged build, but the smarter ones do not run D/D, and will tear up Rangers, or any ranged build for that matter. Keep an eye out for the HGH Engineer builds, you’ll be surprised at how well they play, and how well they kite anyone who chooses not to carry a ranged weapon. The Engineer will quickly become the next Elementalist that people complain about.

Sebrent.3625:

First off, I played EQ1 as well. I know about kiting.

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Honestly, if you’re having trouble kiting with a ranger, it’s a l2 kitten ue … and I don’t throw l2p around often.

I’m looking to start the Ranger after playing every other class in the game. The Ranger boards are full of false assumptions about the game, from people, if they are Rangers, like yourself who seem hell bent on providing information to get the class nerfed. You have some good lists of stuff, but you have a mountain of misinformation to dig through, to get to the good stuff.

There is an entire game out there you need to experience.

No class kites as well as the Elementalist, including the Engineer who is second best at kiting, and that is just facts. I’m sorry this upsets your; “Ranger can do everything, and should be nerfed” vibe you give off.

Nothing more annoying than people who try to give off that a class is overpowered, when it isn’t.

I’ve spent three days reading 11 pages of misinformation, or trolls who seem to think this class is overpowered, or those who think it is grossly underpowered. It’s worse than the Thief/Elementalist boards, and there is some credibility to people who beleive those classes are overpowered.

Durzlla.6295:

@Ladylad if you really want to take into account EVERY access to movement impairing conditions (IE can’t have them all in one build) against the ranger YOU WILL LOSE, because you know, not like we don’t have access to immobs through pet, or KDs, or KBs, or fear…

PS: since when do d/d eles -kite- people? That’s like saying a dagger necro has an immob for kiting…

Not every elementalist is a D/D elementalist. I’m sure not. A good Elementalist will never have an issue with any condition, or stun. Just saying.

And your pet applying anything to a player just means that player has learn to play issues.

Sebrent.3625:

Elementalist is kiting how? Through being fast? Okay :-)

Ranger is kiting via pet, chills, cripples, immobilizes, traps, muddy terrain … and we’re fast.

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English longbow is going to pierce me. I could possibly still keep moving. Greatsword is going to sever body parts.

Both are deadly and one has an advantage of range, however I don’t think we should have melee dropping people in less than 2 seconds (except thieves, of course, because they should be able to burst bunkers, lol).

As someone who has played kiting classes since EQ1 Druid/Necromancer I’ll point out key things you should consider before making such a claim. Speed is a huge factor in kiting, all things being equal, not to mention based off weapon set;

Chilled
- Freezing Gust
- Frost Aura
- Frost Fan
- Frozen Burst
- Frozen Ground

Traits that apply chilled.
Elemental Surge = Upon casting arcane spell while attuned to water.
Soothing Wave = Applied while in Mist Form, or Vapor Form.

Traits that make chilled virtually usless against an Elementalist once you factor in Runes, and Food that reduce duration. Geomancer’s Freedom. This is key when you consider one kiter, against another.

Cripple
- Churning Earth
- Ring of Earth
- Unsteady Ground
- Debris Tornado
- Fiery Whirl w/Gsword
- Glyph of Elemental Power

Immobilize
- Magnetic Grasp
- Shockwave
- Signet of Earth

And I don’t have to rely on a buggy pet, that can not cure itself if I choose to apply anything to it.

Sebrent.3625:

And I’m sure the difference between my hitting you with an arrow and slashing you with a greatsword in real life would be the same as well.

Being an unparalleled archer doesn’t mean you break the mold when it comes to ranged dps vs melee dps.

If there is a class that can kite extremely well in GW2, it’s the Ranger.

In real life I could down you with an English Longbow up to 150 yards, long before you got to me with that clumsy Greatsword. I’d even be able to punch through any armor you wore. If I happened to miss you, unlikely, but miracles happen, I could easily outmaneuver you because of the weight you carry, vs the weight I’m carrying.

Now lets get back to the “in game” discussion. Actually the best class for kiting, if that is your intentions is the Elementalist, though the Engineer is quite good at it too, but with everyone having access to range weapons, a smart player is not going to get kited. The only exception is the Guardian, who has the worst ranged weapons in the game.

un·par·al·leled
[uhn-par-uh-leld]

adjective
not paralleled; unequaled or unmatched; peerless; unprecedented: unparalleled athletic ability.

MarkusParkus.8467:

LadyLad.1389:

UCF Knight.8095:

LadyLad.1389:

I never have this issue.

What tier are you in?

In tier 2 the skill lag is to the point where I can’t even change attunements on my ele in some fights. And before someone says it has anything to do with my computer and settings, I have a gtx 670/i5 3570k/8gb ram with all of the character settings on their lowest.

If it wasn’t Anet’s problem, I’d be fine.

Now, T5. I was in T1 and never had issues in the larger fights. I moved to a lower tier because of queue times.

This is an issue in T7 EU. I can’t comment on T1 but in 30v30ish fights skill lag is ridiculous.
A few weeks ago there was a huge fight at Hills on a BL map with 40+ on either side, was struggling to activate skills up near Garrison!

I’ve seen it once, in a three way battle for SM, but I had something running in the background. Since then, using Advanced System Care 6; “Game Booster” I have yet to see these issues again.

Lag is common in every game, and usually it is client side, rarely server side. If this is one of those few instances it is server side, I’d wager they’ll get it fixed if they can. It isn’t as simple as buying more, bigger servers though. The biggest bottleneck they have to cross is the internet, and peoples computers.

Perphection.8209:

BrianRonin.1673:

The fights I’ve had as a small group running with SaF have been the best group fights I’ve ever had. Noteable fights that were “evenly matched” was with a group of GH from ebay and a group of VT from AR

Let me stress again… it was fun!

Hey, [vT] Engineer here. I just wanted to completely agree with you. We recently transferred to AR and are having an absolute blast!

The fights here are amazing. I feel like we find a new rivalry every night and there is rarely a dull moment. For the most part this Tier is courteous, respectful and full of amazing players.

So thank you [SaF], and every other guild in this Tier for making WvW so much fun.

Glad to have you.

testpig.5018:

grasshopper.8539:

So far tonight AR has took 2 of our towers and tried for more. GOOD job AR!! I’m proud of you. It did take you over 30 minuets and 8 catapults but you finely got the SW tower. That’s why we like AR, they never give up!

And BP has taken nothing in EBBL. Only in ARBL where you took there bay, and tried for lots more

I’m glad and proud AR has finally taken a step in the right direction. And perhaps next week after the reset, they will continue those efforts. And then BP can easily turn our eyes back on EBay. However, this week, BP eyes are still looking at AR. Once AR shows some consistency BP will note that AR has finally understood that the 1st place server is the true enemy, and we will proceed to engage Ebay again, with constant night caps and downgrades of Ebays entire BL, making it nice and easy for AR to take and hold and upgrade hills in Ebay BL.

Try hitting Ebay in both Eternal Battlegrounds, and Ebay Borderlands instead of racing Ebay in ARBL, and crying the rest of the week because AR seeks revenge.

If you really want AR to help you attack Ebay, you can’t hit AR all day/night at reset, and cry foul when they seek revenge.

Aeros.2046:

Had some good times in the Borlis Borderlands tonight. Highlight of my night was wiping an Ebay Guild zerg (It was FtF if I remember) that was covering Anvil Rocks break out at the border tower south of Hills. You guys really should coordinate better. After we had killed the Ebay guild guarding the tunnel we moved on and wiped out AR, even got their Siegerazer.

I love people like you, I really do. You’re so humorous the way you twist the facts in your favor. <laughs>

So you come upon FTF, and AR fighting, and you were able to put FTF in a bad situation, in a three way, which probably ended up in them pushing AR the hardest weakening both sides drastically so that you had an easy time cleaning up players hurt, that used elites for the real fight.

UCF Knight.8095:

LadyLad.1389:

I never have this issue.

What tier are you in?

In tier 2 the skill lag is to the point where I can’t even change attunements on my ele in some fights. And before someone says it has anything to do with my computer and settings, I have a gtx 670/i5 3570k/8gb ram with all of the character settings on their lowest.

If it wasn’t Anet’s problem, I’d be fine.

Now, T5. I was in T1 and never had issues in the larger fights. I moved to a lower tier because of queue times.

I never have this issue.

testpig.5018:

is a good fight the scraps that are on the outskirts where there is no fight? Because thats what it sure seems like.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very sound tactical move to engage on the zone that has no players in, and to engage on the team that is clearly busy hitting the enemy with the greatest population.

If i was a server just looking for EZpoints i would be doing exactly what AR does as well. Wait for BP to dedicate themselves to hitting Ebay, then just go snag all of BPs stuff in either EB or BPBL, it’s a very smart move for a server that is just looking to feed themselves points…

…However, if what you say is true, that AR plays for a good fight, nothing else… then everything your server does, contradicts this statement. Because the good fight, the best fight would be the balanced fight of AR and BP hitting EBay at all times.

Oh little tip.. this entire game is PvDoor. Killing players doesn’t get you into the keep now does it?

Is it by choice that you refuse to read what others type, and regurgitate the same thing over, and over even though many in this thread has corrected your misinformed nonsense?

testpig.5018:

yes, we complain

My land, we all know that you complain about everything.

testpig.5018:

again, do you think that reset night is just like any other playtime during the week? are you really that thick? come on now, if you are trying to pick apart each statement i say, at least say something that actually makes your case that AR does engage on ebay.

This sure does set the stage for the rest of the week, when people are seeking revenge. Half the time when you lose stuff from AR in BPBL, it is fewer than 20 people taking stuff. Can’t control the entire server,

testpig.5018:

What you just stated proves:

Awesome, let us now see your selective bias.

testpig.5018:

-you solo camps in ebay(therefore, you don’t have AR actually actively engaging on on Ebay in any matter of a true dedicated assault

I am one person, who solos 99% of the time, and this ONE PERSON does not represent an entire server. I can move faster than most others due to my build, therefore it is easier for me to hit camps (choke them out of supply), and kill supply Dolyaks, also (choking them out of supply). I’m sorry I do not like running with the zerg like you.

testpig.5018:

-It’s at a time frame that Ebay doens’t have a zerg in their zone to instantly counter you(so why are the rest of your AR players not assisting you?)

Ebay always has higher numbers than AR, and at night when you guys PvDoor, we barely have 10 people running around. It’s cool you have a zerg during the time both Ebay, and AR sleep, but we don’t have this luxury.

testpig.5018:

-BP has players at insane hours, that are taking advantage of the window they have against Ebay and flipping their BL.

Cool, we do not have this luxury.

-AR still has yet to capture an Ebay keep… playing for 3rd or playing to drop a tier ?

We don’t have the population for this tier, therefore I doubt anyone would have an issue going down. What is BPs excuse? You have double, maybe even triple ARs population.

AR plays for a good fight, nothing else.

DtC.4806:

llkoolaid.8204:

Dovgan.8605:

Oh I got it figured out now BP. You hit our BL right at reset and we are just supposed to sit back and let you have it. Right, we shouldn’t retaliate and let you guys have free points all match while AR drops rank so you guys can feel like you are a better server than you are.

Hey, why not? BP let Ebay have their whole bl during last reset…

We have a bigger force in ehmry then AR every reset (excluding the last one) we always first qued BP them ehmry then AR

Bp can field more on every map reset, than AR can on a single map. Your point?

At reset we’re always fending off Ebay up one side of ARBL, and BP up the other side of ARBL. You guys choose to keep us pinned defending, therefore you pay the piper by having to face Ebay alone in EBBL.

testpig.5018:

Reset night is reset night.. all players are just looking for a place to go thats not currently sued. Each BL has the same thing going on. Reset night is just an all out brawl, winners are not declared on reset night. It’s the week long fight that determines it.

When you’re fielding more players than AR can on reset night, in ARBL, you don’t think those commanders want payback, once things settle down? Why is it ok for you to attack us, but complain when we attack back?

testpig.5018:

So with all the time AR is speading in EbayBL, why are they not accomplishing anything?

Because regardless of time, day or night both Ebay, and BP outnumber AR. We just do not have the numbers, which means you should probably quit crying, and learn tactics. Because BP does more complaining, than they do playing.

testpig.5018:

And if they were truly spending all that time in EBayBL, wouldn’t they atleast have a supply camp,

I solo supply camps almost daily in EBBL, you’re just using selective bias here. Which doesn’t surprise me.

testpig.5018:

or tower, or even showing some troops to take a Keep while BP is keeping ebay very busy?

Even when BP outnumbers Ebay, by double, they still win the fights against you. This leaves a large portion of their numbers to fight AR, in back, and forth tug of war fights that have been awesome.

testpig.5018:

i don’t see your statement holding any water.

Selective bias. You see what you want to see.

testpig.5018:

I still love to see the day when the 2nd player server(score) and the 3rd place server(score) strike out against the 1st place server(score).

So would people on AR, but every reset BP races up one side, while Ebay races up the other.

testpig.5018:

Then we will see some truly wonderful WvW happening.

Not likely, BP complains when they win, and complains when they lose, or just complains about nothing at all. I can’t think of a server that has ever had fun fighting BP.

testpig.5018:

don’t have to take an ebay keep during the day, ebay has a higher population during the day, and primetime.. just looking to prove that?

What you consider night capping, is someone elses day.

not saying AR needs to cap an ebay keep during the ebay primetime.. no point on that, just want to see AR actually take a keep on ebay, anytime, night time, day time, sleepy time, whenever. AR does not touch ebay.

When AR has a force to take an Ebay keep, Ebay has a much bigger force, When Ebay sleeps, AR sleeps, and BP (Kalkz) fights doors all night. We do not have a population to be in this tier, but we are willing to put up a fight.

Notice when both Ebay, and BP are in ARBL at reset, we don’t come here to cry like BP does about everything, but instead we laugh, and have fun because we enjoy the crazy fights against crazy odds?

testpig.5018:

So AR just doesn’t seem to learn… Again BP turns our eyes back towards ebay… we take everything in EBAY BL, we take SM(to downgrade it, and let AR have it…) and what does AR do? instead of hitting ebay, which is already being stomped in their BL, the start to hit the BP corner in EB.

This is why Ebay is winning this tier. not because they are that good, or have a greater primetime population.. because AR never attacks them. And it’s not like AR doesn’t have the bodies for it, these early monring they have a 30-40 man zerg running around trying to take our towers.. instead of just using that zerg to hit the outmanned ebay.

Why do you kids fear them so much?

Don’t you understand, that this could be a much better tier, with much better fights if we bring ebays score more in lined with the rest of ours?

Wait a minute. Every reset BP races up one side of ARBL, while Ebay races up the other side of ARBL, and this week BP has pretty much focused on ARBL, until recently, and you expect ARBL commanders to not want revenge on BP, when they constantly do this?

Wow.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Fxncy.2398:

Also, why does everyone say play for 2nd? Why not play to play?

Then be some radical ideas! Burn the witch!

(That means I agree)

Agreed.

Kalkz.5297:

Kodiack.2783:

Aeros.2046:

Ebay certainly kicking some kitten this is true. Though to be fair, Borlis Pass has stopped fighting Ebay and is focusing solely on Anvil Rock. They just can’t figure out its the duty of the weaker servers to ruin it for the stronger, but instead they just kept going into our keeps while we were trying to wreck Ebay borderlands. We got tired of constantly being back doored by AR while we tried to fight Ebay, so now AR is gonna be the red team in this tier. On the plus side though, this means Ebay may finally get their wish and move up a tier. Still a long time till friday though.

Lets be honest here. You got tired of coming in 3rd , so now your playing for 2nd.

-K

This gotta be a joke, no you MUST be joking. what we’ve done in ONE DAY to get a 10k lead on you is to show you that we can also play for 2nd. like i said YESTERDAY me and some guilds are going to focus AR instead of Ebay and now you’re over 10k behind. and that was just ONE day. our crew managed to hold ebay hills for 18 hours, use your brain for a minute here mr. -K

You do realize Ebay has hit us too, right? Notice the lack of cries from AR players? We’re mature enough to enjoy the fights brought to us, rather than complain. Quit crying about spilled milk, and enjoy the game.

AR doesn’t have the population, but we’re willing to put up a fight.

BP complains when they’re winning, and complains when they’re losing. Do not stress yourselves out so much.

Aeros.2046:

Kodiack.2783:

Aeros.2046:

Ebay certainly kicking some kitten this is true. Though to be fair, Borlis Pass has stopped fighting Ebay and is focusing solely on Anvil Rock. They just can’t figure out its the duty of the weaker servers to ruin it for the stronger, but instead they just kept going into our keeps while we were trying to wreck Ebay borderlands. We got tired of constantly being back doored by AR while we tried to fight Ebay, so now AR is gonna be the red team in this tier. On the plus side though, this means Ebay may finally get their wish and move up a tier. Still a long time till friday though.

Lets be honest here. You got tired of coming in 3rd , so now your playing for 2nd.

-K

Nobody wants to move down a tier, and you Backdooring us while we fought Ebay certainly put us on that path. That and all the chest thumping about how AR was better then BP and that you guys deserved to stay and we deserved to move down. Its put up or shut up time for AR now.

For the record, AR hasn’t chest thumped, it was Ebay players who said AR was better than BP, or do you not read peoples signatures?

I’ve said, along with others that AR does not belong in this tier because we do not have the numbers that BP, and Ebay has.

My husband who the forums put on vacation, the (Ranger) wanted me to tell the two GF in ARBL at windmill thanks for the duels. He wants to know if that Engineer is running the HGH build?

Leo G.4501:

Sebrent.3625:

Heck, I’m still waiting for him to do a high level fractal on his ranger … it’s not fun.

Are high level fractals fun in general?

And this is coming from someone that only has fun running dungeons all the time. I think it’s because, at some point, people are literally only farming and only worried about efficiency and I just want to hit stuff.

No one lets you just hit stuff anymore

Actually for skilled players the higher level Fractals are a blast. It’s just that when building groups, we will not take Rangers because they reduce the chance of success.

KensaiZen.3740:

LadyLad.1389:

KensaiZen.3740:

Neb.4170:

All I see in those videos is proof that:

1. You’re not very good (At least you admit that)
2. Your ranger isn’t providing much ‘support’, ever.
3. Your damage is pretty terrible.

If you think you’re doing a lot of damage… well ignorance is bliss.

1. Yeah well, not everyone who plays the game is. Perhaps in your fantasy world where everyone is oh so awesome. But reality? not everyone is.

2. Sustained damage support. Once again completely ignoring the fact that I specifically wrote it was to showcase pets staying alive in dungeons as the primary point and damage as the secondary point.

3. My damage is terrible compared to what? This isn’t a full GC build. The only damage booster would only be coming from the traits.

Are you seriously saying my damage is worse than this?

Just a few random videos from youtube

Are you seriously going to use videos that are 6 months old, where people didn’t have full exotics, and are utilizing a condition build to prove your damage is ok?

This matters how? you can run HotW Naked right now. Why? because everyone has run it so many kitten times that equipment becomes irrelevant.

Your argument is weak.

You just pretty much used my argument. Thanks for finally understanding why what you are posting does not matter.

Keep in mind, I do not play the Ranger. I’m the better player out there who makes groups, and refuses to take Rangers because they weaken my group. My interest is in your proof that the Ranger doesn’t need help that more skilled players believe it does.

KensaiZen.3740:

LadyLad.1389:

KensaiZen

I’ve figured out your issue. You are harping on; “pets die all the time”. Pets do not die all the time, but they do die frequently in higher level content, in Fractals, a place you seem to avoid. Could that be a lack of skill? Pets also die in WvW more than half the time.

You can not use old easy dungeons to prove a point. Please, learn the game, and show some videos of 62+ Fractals, and large WvW fights, where you’re pet managing enough to keep the pet alive, without making it useless.

Quit with these claims, that mean absolutely nothing.

So your case for the Ranger being sub par is that the pets don’t stay alive in high level fractals? 1 part of the game that not a lot of people actually play. hmmm ok So the Entire class becomes fail because it doesn’t excel in one area of the game… So with this same logic the warrior must be a broken worthless class because they aren’t worth anything in Spvp.

I feel like I’m trying to explain something to my children.

Where does the Ranger struggle?
- 62+ Fractals
- World vs World, in large fights where a lot of AEs are firing.
- World vs World, in/out of keeps during a siege, where half their damage can’t get to anyone.
- World vs World, in/out of towers during a siege, where half their damage can’t get to anyone.

No one cares about the easy content, no one. A game has to be balanced at the higher tiers. I could run naked through Orr on any toon, and kill mobs in pairs, but this doesn’t make the class; “good” by any means.

Where it matters most are those instances where skill matters. If you don’t have the skill to do the higher content, how can those of us who do it on a daily basis take anything you say seriously, when you can’t possibly understand?

KensaiZen.3740:

And here is another fantastic example of HotW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fa6YvHZ9Q4

Each time someone goes down… how much DPS do you think the group is doing? when someone drops, the group must stop and res that person. That is a total DPS drop to 0. The Ranger has a pet that can res whilst maintaining constant DPS. The Ranger has an elite that can do the exact same thing.

And now that it has been fixed. It is a guaranteed res with no danger to the rest of the team.

Oh wait nvm Im just being trolled. If I bring support, Im not doing damage. If im doing damage. Im not doing up support. If I do both then im not doing high support or damage. Its a no win scenario. How can you win against a troll? Silly me.

What you fail to realize, and I forgive you for it because you probably havn’t played high level content in any game, most importantly Guildwars 2 is that a solid build can fill several roles.

What do I mean?

Guardian pops a 15 second; “Save Yourselves”, and a “Hollowed Ground”, followed by a Warrior who pops; “For Great Justice”, while the Elementalist does his stuff, and so on…. After a certain point the Mesmer uses Signet of Inspiration, and doubles the duration on all boons everyone has.

It’s called boon stacking. Why is it important? Because the right group set up, which will not include a Ranger will place 25 stacks of Might on everyone in the group, for one minute, and can be maintained during boss fights, on top of having every other boon in the game for the fight, meaning those other support classes will outperform anything a Ranger can do at 1500 range, where he misses buffs.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE DYING IN THE OLD CONTENT. I don’t evne know why you are bringing anything like that up. We frequently do the old content with three people, so if you are dying in a full group, well I would probably practice more.

KensaiZen.3740:

Neb.4170:

All I see in those videos is proof that:

1. You’re not very good (At least you admit that)
2. Your ranger isn’t providing much ‘support’, ever.
3. Your damage is pretty terrible.

If you think you’re doing a lot of damage… well ignorance is bliss.

1. Yeah well, not everyone who plays the game is. Perhaps in your fantasy world where everyone is oh so awesome. But reality? not everyone is.

2. Sustained damage support. Once again completely ignoring the fact that I specifically wrote it was to showcase pets staying alive in dungeons as the primary point and damage as the secondary point.

3. My damage is terrible compared to what? This isn’t a full GC build. The only damage booster would only be coming from the traits.

Are you seriously saying my damage is worse than this?

Just a few random videos from youtube

Are you seriously going to use videos that are 6 months old, where people didn’t have full exotics, and are utilizing a condition build to prove your damage is ok?

KensaiZen

I’ve figured out your issue. You are harping on; “pets die all the time”. Pets do not die all the time, but they do die frequently in higher level content, in Fractals, a place you seem to avoid. Could that be a lack of skill? Pets also die in WvW more than half the time.

You can not use old easy dungeons to prove a point. Please, learn the game, and show some videos of 62+ Fractals, and large WvW fights, where you’re pet managing enough to keep the pet alive, without making it useless.

Quit with these claims, that mean absolutely nothing.

KensaiZen.3740:

Zenith.7301:

KensaiZen.3740:

Zenith.7301:

Leo G.4501:

Not a very good list, Rhaps.

For one, winds of chaos, siren’s call, such bouncing skills don’t give vigor, might, fury and swiftness. They give vigor, might, fury OR swiftness. They are random boons that may or may not last very long and boons/conditions from illusions aren’t affected by your duration %. So extra boons from them often are very short lived along with being random.

Illusion of Life is likely the worst revive skill as it can thwart other attempts to revive in progress and can fail to do anything but put your ally in an instant dead state. Phantasmal Disenchanter is abysmal and slow. If it ever removes any of your conditions, those conditions have likely taken their toll regardless. Null field does’t quite cure all conditions, it cures conditions per pulse so you have to stay in the field while it works.

…but yeah, a Mesmer can certainly support well. With its toolbag of CC and phenomenal traits, you can passively give allies regeneration via phantasms, you can heal people around you from casting mantras, you can remove boons and Phantasmal Defender can cut damage by 50% of those hit within its range. I’d even say mesmer, when specc’ed for it are probably the 2nd or 3rd best support there is.

Not correct on Illusion of Life. You go back to downed when it ends if you don’t kill something — it doesn’t defeat you. It’s a great tool because it allows 3 people to get up and dps for 15 more seconds even if they don’t kill something, and if a person goes down in a bad spot it allows them to reposition to a safe spot to be rezzed.

A mesmer is by far the best rezzer in game with a 10 sec cd on creating feedback when rezzing, it could grant group vigor with shatters or use restorative mantras. Its biggest utility is in reflection skills and time warp (even nerfed it is likely the best elite in the game), on top of the third best damage after warrior and thief.

The mesmer is also the class that can have the most melee uptime in dungeons with double swords, which gives him a 2 sec immunity, another low cd block, and permanent vigor from critting.

The only downside to the mesmer is that he has no build diversity. You go GC shatter, or you go Inspiration Glamour/Resto mantra traitline shatter. Phantasm builds are useless in dungeons as illusions die nearly as quickly as spirits do. And of course, staff/conditions are terrible.

P.S. A berserker geared mesmer can still go into Inspiration for support and do more damage than a full glass cannon ranger or guardian. Just go 10/30/0/30/10 and you’ll do great damage with great support.

“But why would you bring a mesmer for support when you can bring a Guardian” mesmers aren’t the best at support etc etc etc don’t defend the class, if its not the best. It must be kitten.

or so the saying goes.

Because Guardians don’t have Time Warp for the warriors or stealth/boon removal for dredge fractal or a reflection bubble to end Lupicus phase 2 in one skill. That’s why.

When you ranger can bring something none of the upper tier classes can bring, then you can try to make a point.

But why do I bother, from the comment above I feel one troll has made a very profitable run for the lolz.

Rangers bring pets to Res your kitten when you make one mistake ta ends up getting your kitten killed. They also bring an elite that “res” people.

2 skills about ressing people… coincidence? or mechanic? you decide.

When will you be doing higher level Fractals with the Ranger? Doing old content means nothing. Many of us did the old content long before we had a full set of exotics, and now that we have a full set of exotics, the older content is useless.

Do content that requires a lot more skill, and show how effective the Ranger is at meeting my needs when I build groups for level 62+ Fractals. I know I will not invite a Ranger to a 62+ Fractals group, and to my knowledge anyone of a hundred people I run with also will not let a Ranger in our groups.

Do not use old content to convince anyone of anything. Use the newer content that requires greater skill, and better group synergy from the classes in the game. Have you even completed a single 50+ Fractals? Your play in that video leaves me believing you have not.

KensaiZen.3740:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PBnbCd9jMM

Scenario;

Bring the pain

Wow, you let your group do most of the work in that video, and that was a very annoyingly slow kill rate you guys had there.

Only the Guardian in that group would be allowed in any of my future groups.

@KensaiZen

You seem to be one of those people who loves to Theorycraft. That is fine, and I didn’t want to sound harsh like above. If you are going to Theorycraft, please show the courtesy to accept constructive criticism from players who have the experience you lack. It will make your future discussions much more enjoyable, rather than this mess.

Thanks, and enjoy.

@KensaiZen

I’ve got over 900 hours on a Necromancer, and you are greatly misrepresenting my class in this thread. Please do the gaming community a favor, and quit talking about things you have no experienced with yet.

Thanks.

Exarthious.5792:

jkctmc.8754:

Chopps.5047:

KensaiZen.3740:

Chopps.5047:

jkctmc.8754:

Chopps.5047:

jkctmc.8754:

Chopps.5047:

jkctmc.8754:

Chopps.5047:

Part of the problem with solo’ing lupi is how much effort it is jk. Seriously, you basically need a party to help you get there and that’s asking a lot. The last way to solo your way there that I knew of was nerfed away after the portal gun nerf. After that, expect to spend 12 hours practicing or longer. Strife025 mentions practicing for 11 hours before feeling like he was good at it. 11 hours of practice doesn’t mean warrior is sooo good I don’t think, rather, it means Strife or (insert soloist’s name here) isn’t just playing the ultimate of professions or whatever you might believe—they’re well practiced.

Edit: fixed typo

You’re the PvE Ranger, so if you thought you could do it, you would. If nothing more than to be able to say; “in your face”. The fact you havn’t tried it speaks volumes. Rangers in my guild who have tried, and said it isn’t possible, and our Necromancer got pretty darn close. You can’t keep using that excuse.

My guildmates are waiting for the why, to their answer.

Did they practice for a dozen hours like strife025 claimed it took him? Not tk take anything away from strife, he’s a heck of a player. Have warriors in your guild put in the time to practice that and then do it?

The necromancer has put in roughly 12 hours, the Rangers gave up after 10. The Warriors see no need to do it since it has been proven a Warrior can do it. Our Mesmers have put in roughly 8 hours, but they’re not sure it is possible with the Mesmer either, and are losing interest. Our Guardians when asked, say; No, just no. Our guild leader has offered 1000g to the first class besides a Warrior who can do it.

You’re missing the point though, like usual.

A thousand gold you say? And you feel this challenge is skill independent? Interesting. Does anyone else feel like chiming in on this? Are you aware both theives and mesmers have demonstrated solos of Lupi and the videos are on youtube?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Giganticus-Lupicus-mesmer-solo

If it says bad link try copy/paste, hope that link works :p

1000 gold you say? Someone in your guild ought to practice and collect that bounty. Can I join your guild?

If you solo Lupi as a Ranger, I’ll give you the 1000 gold.

$_$ are you serious? Is this just me or any ranger out there? What are the terms, what’s the catch?

if you spend time analysing the attack pattern of lupicus you will be able to do it. Just a matter if you have the patience to spend so much time and effort on it. And who knows if he will even give you 1000g for real.

He’s got to be bluffing.

Actually, I’m not bluffing. I’ve paid 400g to people I’ve lost duels to, while gaining 700g from people I’ve won duels against.

Yes, he pays up. Don’t use this as another excuse as a reason not to back up absurd claims.

He pays up, dey just know they can’t deliver on their nonsense.

I’m considering doing sPvP, but was wondering if the items you purchase from the Glroy Vendors gives you any edge in PvP?

Didn’t they do enough to nerf MMOs because people couldn’t handle healing in them?

Why do we have to keep dumbing games down?

hammer.9721:

I have seen multiple people now claim its impossible for them to die in wvw in this thread and i cant stop laughing.Why dont you prove it by typing /deaths in game and posting the pic in this thread.A thief might be able to escape deaths other classes cant but to say you never die couldnt be further from the truth.

Once you release a video show us how well you play.

Daeqar.8965:

LadyLad.1389:

hammer.9721:

you still dont understand you said one thing in one quote and the exact opposite in another.

and lol at thieves only die because of that talent and yes i do agree it is crap.like i said things are different when you go up against players of the same level but think what you want

oh and for the record i do think overall thief is the best one on one class in wvw but that is mainly because people spec gc on the other classes. once people start to learn what i did months ago they are not that hard to beat.i would much rather fight a thief on most of my 7 80’s than a mesmer who knows how to play.

Wait a minute… You said “go against the same people” as if when we switch to our Thieves, we all of a sudden start fighting new servers, and not the people we’ve been fighting previously.

Do you honestly believe that? When I go from a Ranger, Necro, or Engineer to my Thief, and zone back into the same zone and fight the same people who’ve been roaming solo for hours like I have, all of a sudden change?

…..

The guy could use some capitalization and stuff, but I can’t figure out where you got what you think he said from what he actually said…

It appears I quoted the wrong person, after reading an earlier post. A massive mistake. My apologies.

hammer.9721:

Xsorus.2507:

hammer.9721:

Xsorus.2507:

LadyLad.1389:

Daendur.2357:

Ok you reported it… let’s write it down to not be offensive nor provoking.
I don’t believe what you are saying. I think you are largely exaggerating your statements trying to make your point.
You didn’t provide any evidence.
Anyone can write anything and pretend it’s real.

What good is evidence, when all you guys do is tear it apart with made up stuff, like has been done with Xsorus videos? Evidence isn’t enough, and I wasn’t being offensive, nor provoking. You just took it that way.

Seriously, those of us who started off with other classes, and are now playing the Thief realize just how much easier the class is to play, than our original classes. The Thief plays an entirely different game than does all the other classes.

I don’t know how anyone could deny this, with a straight face.

You can’t post a video of a thief playing as proof its overpowered, because the only evidence in that video is every other player is just bad

At least that’s what I got from this thread.

here is something i got from another thread about people in wvw being bad

Xsorus.2507:

Most people don’t dodge, because most people in World vs World are pretty bad

Best person in that video was probably that Necro at the end.

btw i wish anet would release info of how many thieves died in tier 1 this week it would shock some people in this thread

Best part about that quote is its me talking about killing a Necro with a Warrior Add (who I killed)…

I stood zero chance of dying in that video…..

In fact i can tell you flat out what kills me 9/10 on my Thief..

Last Refuge, It’s the crap talent Thieves get for 5 points in their best line (Shadow Arts)

If you kill a thief, I can pretty much guarantee you they probably died because of that talent.

you still dont understand you said one thing in one quote and the exact opposite in another.

and lol at thieves only die because of that talent and yes i do agree it is crap.like i said things are different when you go up against players of the same level but think what you want

oh and for the record i do think overall thief is the best one on one class in wvw but that is mainly because people spec gc on the other classes. once people start to learn what i did months ago they are not that hard to beat.i would much rather fight a thief on most of my 7 80’s than a mesmer who knows how to play.

Wait a minute… You said “go against the same people” as if when we switch to our Thieves, we all of a sudden start fighting new servers, and not the people we’ve been fighting previously.

Do you honestly believe that? When I go from a Ranger, Necro, or Engineer to my Thief, and zone back into the same zone and fight the same people who’ve been roaming solo for hours like I have, all of a sudden change?

The only thing I agree with is your dislike at fighting Mesmers, but for different reasons. The Mesmer requires me to be an active observer of what is going on around me, rather than grant me the ability to continue to play lazy.

I attend a lot of fight clubs, and fight the same people on my Thief, that I do on my other toons. How do I know this? I group with them, well until they fight my Thief because you can see a stealthed Thief you’re grouped with. Fights I find difficult on my other toons, against Ascended geared players, all of a sudden become easy when on my Thief.

I probably automatically become a PvP god though, once I choose to log into my Thief, but forget how to play the game, once I log into my other toons. Makes sense to me.