Guild Wars 2

I have the same problem, I can’t create a new character.
Would love to hear a solution !

Wemil.7052:

IF i would have said yes to SYN, DW, OP who cares 2v1 who cares que prime time we would have ticked +600 at night.

even after losses and guilds sfr have always been the best in eb even if its blob v blob you can clearly see our advantage in battles our hammer stun everything.

borderlands 40v100 we can do it

guilds 25v2x 3x 4x no problem bring it we can do it.

Well first, thanks for your infinite kindness and pity towards us, simple mortals.

Second : I guess you didn’t really check the scores or the maps during week 1 or week 7, because it’s called “reality slap”.

Stop trying that hard dude, you’re very arrogant for someone full of air – you actually showed nothing but desertion at the first sign of resistance. And you’re not even funny like junkpile can be. It just screems pathetic every time you post.

Misslol.9741:

You as leader of an alliance should have take contacts with pevepe and ask our point of view.

Except we, as a server or an alliance, have absolutely no interest in that. We were not supposed to be included in those discussions at any point.
And most of all we don’t care : servers do their thinggies the way they want, by themselves, it’s none of our business.
You just have to expect it to potentially backfire at some point if it crosses the line.

In the end, we’ll never know if it was true or not. The only thing that came to us was “meh. not impossible. they’ve been that low in the past already”

ilmau.9781:

What will happen if i come here and start making a list of all the things i saw VZ does in the previous 16 months of GW2 about to win?

Please do, Kresh, I’m pretty sure it would be quite hilarious.

Even factoring the inventions of raging kids like the Canadians, I’m pretty sure we’ve never paid any “non-EU” guild to come and help us, or we’ve never even thought about offering gold to a server to help us win anything. Not to mention spying on the other servers.
That’s probably where the line is drawn for “sportmanship”, and if it has been crossed by some, it has not been crossed by Vizu.
There may have been some focus on some matchups originating from common goals, but no more than that.

edit : the guy in the screen is obviously French, it’s a shame. too bad he seems to have created that caracter only for trolling purposes (cf. name and guilde name). Please report him !

Junkpile.7439:

We can’t be third.

Oh you can be third of the two matchups versus Vizunah.

Hence,

best real server no matter what you do

is really funny. You have no clue how weak you were during this league.

Barrigon.8965:

Please i beg u Viz to not just focus SFR, be impartial. I thinks it’s the most sportsmanship attitude

Sorry BB, you’re an unwanted casualty in this virtual war.
Vizunah has objectives, putting SFR third is one of them.

5% is 2.5 for 50, not 4 !
Be accurate, or they’ll say we bent the mathematical rules to have more Canadians without saying so !

edit : Gah ! you edited, now my post is useless.
Mmmm…
Lets see…
Oh what about our French Polynesians ?
And nobody wants to discuss those 2500golds ?
How about we speak about the new “pikunah teamspeak”, it makes wonders ?

Are you gooing to copy paste your delirium every page cazza ?

None of the arguments hold.
The first one is ridiculous : the number of French speaking people outside of an euro timezone is ridiculously small, and consists very very largely of canadians.
There is a huge number of “non-euro” people playing on SFR because it was supposed to be the winning international server (ie English speaking). The number of French-speaking people in the world is not comparable to the number of English-speaking people (everyone speaks English).

The second one has been dismissed by Troma : Canadian guilds have been asked to join, they declined. Euro servers are not interesting to them.

The third argument is borderline racism, the fact that we are French has nothing to do with the strength of the night force. Ask AR if they have a strong night force. As JS if they have a strong night force … you’re dellusional.

Then, the numbers given by one random person of Vizu are not truth. They simply are not. You can’t decide Tygra has been saying the truth and everyone else from Vizu telling you “there are no Canadians” has been lying to you.

And finally : stop about the teamspeak. Security measures impose that kind of things, but trust me, we know peeeeerfectly well who’s logging in. And where they live.

cazza.6078:

The 5% are confirmed by a VS guy. But sure, it can be a little bit more or less.

Nah, one guy said “maybe 5%”, a dozen said “none”, and 99% of Vizu said nothing.
Please do not twist the reality, it does not help your case

Iil.7349:

And the winner here is clear.

Oh yeah, we’re gonna parade with a Golden Dolyak, that’s for sure mate !

@cazza : obviously you know nothing about server security. Don’t even try.

As I said, you overestimate your importance, we owe you nothing, and we certainly won’t post sensitive data like this in public.
In this league we did better than the other servers because we were ready to fight for the first place and to sacrifice a bit of our real lives for it. We were successful at it because of the solid bases built over a year (be it a very happy and hardworking community, or the necessary tools for everyone to play in the best conditions).

It’s not because you can’t understand it that it doesn’t exist. Get over yourself.

The security measures around our TeamSpeak are none of your business.

Random numbers thrown out by someone don’t make a truth. Plus, I’d argue that, even if it’s true, 5% of a night force of a hundred persons makes 5 persons. Not really significant.

@lil : the only thing we can do here is denying actually. Someone came with nothing, pretending it was truth, we’re stating our version of it.
You’re even lucky that we’ve been replying actually.
What do you want us to do ? Ask ID cards so you forum trolls can be happy ? I think you overestimate your importance. Sometimes I wish we could just release our TS stats, so you’d see how ridiculous you’ve been. And then I realize you’re just angry dogs barking.

cubed.2853:

Well there are 7,3 million native french canadiens and 1.3 in america, so your calculation is not quite correct. It is <87%, whats a lot ^^

May I ask what those “strategic priorities” for this matchup where? Riversnake in third place I guess was one of them? ;-)

As I said, French canadians don’t want to play in Europe

I am not a representative of Grand Cross at all, and not part of the group who decides the strategic priorities, but from what I understand, yes, if the matchup were to be very disputed, Riverside would need to finish third for our best interests.
Now it is kind of irrelevant, so there are no advices in regards to focus coming from Grand Cross.

cubed.2853:

Well there are a lot, just take a look here: http://www.ethnologue.com/language/fra

This website lists 68 million French speakers and assumes there are 53 millon French. Add the Belgians, the Swiss, the Morrocans, the Algerians and the Tunisian and you have 98% of those 68 million in the same timezone.

I think this is the result of (a) good orga (like your posts suggest) and (b) mostly making first place. I guess if you would always be second or third it would turn around quickly, but then again (a) can help…

It’s true that we’ve never been in a failure situation (even tho some can argue that it was failure when SFR was stomping this late summer, or when we called them SFR2.0, or SFR or BT, or FSP …). But it was a long construction and capitalization on the virtuous circle of winning.
I can’t emphasize enough the atmosphere on Vizu in WvW : it’s fun, relaxed, happy, positive, serious, free, organised, friendly, motivating … all of this at the same time.

Just do me one favor, if you know you are superior. Try to be fair with your victims in the momentum of domination and don’t influence too much who make second and third.

No matchup is ever won before it started. We have strategic priorities as long as our rank in the matchup is not guaranteed. In this league, the only time it happened longer than a weekend was against SFR. We needed them in third place.
JS and Barush fought for the second place last week without any intervention from Vizu. You two will do the same. What matters is our first place, we don’t have to decide who comes next.

cubed.2853:

I’m still curious what the numbers of oversee wvw players really are.

There are almost no French speaking people in other timezones.

The number of inhabitants in the caribbean or in polynesia is quite low, and the number of players from those islands is not significant in the grand scheme of things. And if i’m not wrong, people from polynesia play on Augury’s Rock.

Canadians don’t want to have anything to do with us (the competition is much more enjoyable on the US servers and the technical side of things as well).

There may be some people from Maghreb, but their timezone is ours.
We have players from Belgium and Switzerland, but once again, it’s the same timezone.

Nah, really, in all honesty, it’s pure dedication, cooperation and good fun. Just like Troma said : something quite unreal for the French community, who loves to fight internally.

Muan.1029:

For me it seems all this is part of a MASTERPLAN.

That’s because Anet helps Vizunah, postponing the league so it coincides with the French holidays & providing lagbots !

Burn.5401:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ALzwDN6C64

Yes, ‘cause that would be reeeeeaaaal smart to fight under SFR’s ACs, so you greens can just eat up the crumbs and go tag some garrison.

Hope you’re not a commander, you’d make poor strategic choices.

edit : regarding your chat, no “we” didn’t position the start of the league when we have school holidays. It’s a lucky coincidence.
And no, those holidays are not divided in 3 alternating zones (contrary to winter and spring ones). So all the kids in France do have holidays for another week, and that’s it. Obviously it only concerns kids up to high school, so university students and adult workers are not on holidays.

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Troma.3250:

(primarch is just an RP thing for http://www.grandcross.fr/knights)

I followed the link and made my day.

1.- Actually there is a black bird in the GCK symbol and a bag (loot bag?),ahahahaha;
…

Where did you see a bird and a bag ?
There is a sword, angel wings and a war helmet.

I guess it’s not really surprising that you see a double focus now o.o

Junkpile.7439:

Well viz stole all players from other french servers so they have enough players.

Yep, and the last three randoms on Jade Sea score first against the two best german servers because they left tiny “Do Not Touch” signs on the doors of their keeps.

I hope our French friends will teach you another lesson

Zumy.6318:

2. Thank you Vizunah for making a little roaming possible although you were in full preparations for SFR-hunting.

Thanks man, and thanks to both servers.
Haven’t had the chance to play much this week, but I heard a lot of good stuff about GH and Kodash (once again).

I think you’ve barely scratched the surface of what Vizunah will be against SFR during the league. That’s probably a good thing honnestly
All the best to you, and may we not be in full beast mode when we meet again !

Wemil.7052:

but atm the only server I want to fight is piken square they are claiming they are better I really really wanna own them<3

c’mon !
Piken has become an awful server and you just vampirised their biggest zerg (claiming to be a guild).
There is noone to fight there, and you know it perfectly. Stop playing dumb.

DarkieDuck.9521:

Please, dont think you can get away so easily with this.
We know you have many african players that live in canada, so your timezone argument is invalid

I like you

XRKUN.1782:

whats all the QQ about?
SFR will be dominating gold league, but thats hardly news. So get over it. Better train and organize all of your players, prepare them for the league and who knows…maybe with skill and willpower you re gonna be number two.

Oh please, nobody is in the league to be number two.

Just own the fact that you’re creating some overkill monster, that it’s gonna be boring and that all you whiners from last year doing the exact same thing you said you despised : preparing yourself to blob 24/7 at a level never seen before and get doors down with bare hands when you outnumber the ennemys 10 to 1.

Just own it, don’t be hypocrits.

I long for the day it’s all going to blow up like SFR2.0. It’s going to be a fantabulously amazing sight of despair, lies and cover-ups. Get your pathetic excuses ready.

That’s without even factoring the possibility to access the internet in those countries, the availability of the game there or any other social factor.

He is ridiculous. And he knows it. He is just a troll.

Demannu.2805:

@Troma: well Anet did not want to give us a Russian server, not our fault. And i repeat noone literally noone believe that you have no canadians out there. Or probably too many africans on unemployed donations doing nightcapping for you ….

Oh wow.
You are really dellusional.

Wish we could give you the IP adresses of the connection to our TeamSpeak.
You’d see how wrong you are. And how boring your league will be.
Have fun in the queues / banging on doors.

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

@Troma, @Wemil

You both are forgetting the common opponent we are going to have in the league: the queue!!!

Queue is almost non-existent on Vizu. Barely 15 mins for the BLs during prime.

Wemil.7052:

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Dang man !
I hope all the wannabe-Tromas don’t end up like you, it’s painfully disgusting to watch.

The actual performance of SFR players is to put up with your arrogance, trust me.

Oh, and, good luck for the league. You will do good, no doubt about that. But I can’t wait to see how bored you’ll be, because you vampirised everything that could look like competition.
I really like this turn of events, your big hypocrisy about zergs and PvDoor is going to explode in the face of the world.

Junkpile.7439:

We sure are most skilled, but national server is just too big advantage.

Haha.
You guys are really fun to watch.
Man, what would those forums look like if you had been on the winning side for a year.

(not wanna start the “national server” argument over and over again, but you can’t say something like this : the fact that everyone speaking english can join SFR is a big advantage – only French speaking people tend to join Vizu)

Wemil.7052:

a view of what ive recruited to sfr

Oh wow, I love this tiny bit.
I wonder how people on SFR feel under your heavenly given powers. Must be strange to be the king in that land.

And please, people on SFR, he already destroys all the attacks coming from Vizu (and the third server happening to be here) : don’t let him do aaaaaaall the work by himself. You slackers !

Wemil.7052:

not really.

our server is dying slowly some hours.

Well, I do not see anyone able to compete with your “slowly dying” server atm. So I guess we’d all like to be dying like you are :p

Nice week SFR, you seem to be ready for the tourney ; and I was well impressed with Riv’s performance as well ! Keep it up everyone

Holm.7058:

Imagine the matchup threads being comradery and respect for each others performances! Would be a crazy sight

They were, against Aurora.
Very nice people : friendly, aware of their strengths and weaknesses, quite objective about the situation.
Oh and, not a single bad apple.

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

So Wl back you get Js morning guilds and still oh no VZ cant win ect…
Come on bring your zone blobs we are bored we only raiding 2 days a week because no challenge and we win so much…
And honestly claiming VZ done something for wvw scene? only thing you did it zerging and Pvd nothing more …..And to be happy with this is just pity.

Well dude, I am not your friend you see. So lose the attitude.
I did not come here with personal attacks or judgements on your person.

I, for one, and many others on Vizu are very happy with what we did on the WvW scene for a year. (notice I use “on the wvw scene” and not “for the wvw scene”, words have meaning).
You disagreeing with me is not an option : I’m not asking for your opinion.

You “wining so much” is great. I am honnestly happy that you finally get to know the feeling. You “raiding only 2 days a week” is absolutely not interesting to the discussion. We do not care. At all. Not even a second.

There is no such thing as JS morning guilds, stop with the rumors, and check your income. The only ones PVDing and zerging between 3.00AM and 6.00PM are you. MoS website is not lying, even if it’s French.

I suggest 3 pills of Chillax, two times a day. For the next few months. You’re going to overheat from the hate mate, it’s not good.

Wolfheart.1938:

you are already making up excuses.

You proved you could win with bigger numbers and better coverage.

I am not making excuses for Vizu, I am not a spokesperson for the server. Please jump on someone else.
I am just giving you my honnest analysis of the situation – did not say I like it.

Oh, and, like it or not, you are now the “bigger numbers and bigger coverage” server, the one that is despised because it makes points in the day and loses everything during european prime.
Enjoy your time in the hate-spotlight.

Wolfheart.1938:

Why? How? Prepping up for the league?

Oh come on … Vizu won WvW for most of the first year. Vizu is tired now.
Since sept 2012, almost nothing has changed : lag is awful, rewards are inexistant.

A national server can’t really renew its population, contrary to the “international” servers like SFR. We had a huge WvW population, we did very good for the first year, but then everyone becomes tired and demotivated.

So yeah, French people are farming Taco and other world bosses. Because the loot is usually better than on your corpses.
Don’t expect much of a come-back for the league tho. A finisher is not a decent reward.
We’re happy with what we’ve done in the WvW scene, not sure there is much to prove now.

We like to give back the monies we make on your corpses

Silent Shino.7239:

just a message from AG, we miss you Vizunah <3

We miss you too AG
Piken spent the afternoon hiding in keeps with more ACs than you can build in a day and AR seems to gather all the players behind one commander and only one !

Hopefully it’s only weekend behaviour !

MiLkZz.4789:

There are only a few organised guilds on Viz, and their quality has dropped.

Can’t let you say that, even tho the rest of your analysis is pretty much on point : we are the “different kid”.
There are quite a lot of guilds on Vizunah, some part of the Grand Cross alliance, some are on their own, but they usually assign themselves to a map for a full week. Hence, giving the impression of “not many guilds”, if you yourself stick to a single map.

And some of Vizunah’s guild are amongst the best in EU, they just don’t play the GvG game for now. Few guilds were on par or above the famous [RG], Vizu has some of them : [WL] or [LNM] for example. Many other VS guilds would hold their own quite bravely against the best current guilds, if there is any decent way to determine who they are.

About the PPT count : it doesn’t even matter at all anymore, so no, you’ve never seen a serious VS player brag about PPT in this thread. All that matters is the first place of the matchup, and, because we’re proud, perhaps the first place (even tho the matchups seem to favour SFR).
But, sadly, there are no other ways to rank servers. It’s ppt. It’s going to be ppt even in the new league system. So perhaps for some of you it doesn’t mean anything, and it is only proof of superior coverage, but the facts remain : the server with the highest overall ppt will be declared winner of the first season.

Malkithe.2084:

That’s why I said most. I know both SFR’s and Deso’s pugs are better than yours, but remember you are up against rank 9 and 13 servers.

Oh, I know.
And I do not envy your position at all, you knew from the very beginning what was coming : no thrill = no fun.
But at least, both your zergs are equally as capable as ours, so you might have some good times & bags during primes. Organized groups on your servers are good as well, so you might have nice fights against our guilds (prime again). Other than that, yeah, your week sucks, a lot more than ours :/

Malkithe.2084:

You may have organised PUG zergs better than most, including ours (so respect for that)

Will have to disagree on that one : Vizunah’s PUG zergs are actually really bad atm.
Not even joking. Lots of people transfered before the start of the summer for an easy faceroll karmatrain. Today the result pains those who have lived on Vizu for long : people not following commanders, highly debatable specs and general lack of vision and spirit.
SFR’s zerg is much much better. Deso’s zerg is better.

On the other hand, our guilds are doing very well. They are not GvGing as much as some others would like, but heh, to each their own.

Dranul.2094:

Send me Vizunahs best Guild(s) I have openly challenged them to GvG,

Vizunah’s guilds are on the battlefield (well, not much on reset/saturday, but you should see them a lot more starting tonight).
Not many of VS’ guilds do GvG, as what you call “GvG” is kind of a bad joke, but you might get some answers, we never know.

And for the love of quaggans, stop with the “VS plays for points, we play for fun” bullkitten : there is no incentive at all to play the ladder atm. Our place in the top 9 is secured (well, I didn’t do the maths, but I guess it is). So nothing else matters. Except winning the matchup of course, ‘cause everyone loves to win.
But trust me when I say that you are far far far from seeing “vizunah playing points”. You can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like.

Do not overestimate Vizunah guys, we’re not in a great shape.
Some people are really motivated, but tons of very bad habits have been taken by karmatrain leechers. This will need work.

I honnestly do feel like SFR is in a much better position as of now, and can gather all of the euro scene (except most of the French/German/Spanish crowds).
But it all depends on each server’s ability to make the best of its troops now.
(tbh, I’m not seeing any other server to win the first round : it’s SFR or Vizu)

Next weeks will be interesting indeed, to see if this new change is a good thing or a total disaster.

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

39K diference are we going to lose this one?

Nope, you won’t !
Congratulations, it’s a very nice victory Keep it up !

tl;dr.
Nobody cares mate.
Best of luck irl, I hope you do not keep that grudge for too long, it would be sad. It’s a video game after all

Congratulations
Too bad they didn’t count directly towards server points.

Sad to hear you are retiring, I was (we were?) really waiting for a SFR3.0 to bring back some unreasonnable challenge to the EU ladder. Goodluck irl !

SpazzimusPrime.4817:

BUT dont you think it would be more fun if players would be more evenly distributed over the servers?

Not my problem, I’m not going to leave friends for your enjoyment.
Ask Anet to do something about it.

SpazzimusPrime.4817:

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Moar rage please.

Very nice move [KoA] and friends just now on SFR BL (Dawn’s Eyrie).
Great coordination

Keep it up !

Darkman.1257:

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The part about VS guilds not saying to get lost to PUs is completely false.
Guilds raid on their own.

Darkman.1257:

You can of course assume we’re all ignorants and we’re not listening. You can play passive agressive with your sarcastic “tone” but I’m sorry it doesn’t strike me. Let’s make this a discusion of merits then.

I’m not sarcastic, I’m just not that good with words, my apologies.

Our WvW goals are epic fights.

You can’t blame the other servers if the game mode doesn’t provide all the necessary tools for that.
We’re all in there because we have fun. No question about that.

As stated in my post that was my and CoN point of view and It implies that we are not playing on 4 borders at once

Guilds on Vizu assign themsleves to a borderland each week. You’ll see the same the whole week, unless we need to balance the numbers and it requires a switch.

We accept all GvG challenges, all roaming challenges

That’s great, but I personally think that disconnecting the fights from the structures is not a good thing. WvW was not thought to be an arena. It was tought to be a warscene. It does mean you should find small scale fights / mid scale fights / large scale fights, but, in my opinion, it shouldn’t be organized.

“Should I impose my vision on the rest of the server(s) ? " – Yes you should. This game is called Guild Wars not “entire guildless zone wars”

I could explain once again in details that the name Guild Wars does not come at all from the current guilds and is actually referring to the lore, but that will largely be ignored, as usual.
There is no game mode that is called Guild vs Guild.
And there are certainly a huge number of guilds in the war zones. You just decided you won’t call them like that because they do not play like you want.

Do what we did, give them an incentive to create or join WvW organised guilds.

Thanks, but this is what’s happening every day. Guilds recruit new players. Vizu is not different.

NO. Disable your commander while leading your guild and leave a pug commander.

Once again, Vizu is not different. You did not reinvent the wheel. Guilds do run on their own during primes (usually with tags on for coordination, but our Vizunians are very disciplined and do follow only the “PU” commander).
This is the basics of WvW. This has been done sine August 2012. There is always at least a guild raid on each of the maps each prime.
I have the file under my eyes, there are 2 to 4 guilds each map each prime during the week (except EB). I can list you which guild will be on which map if you want.

“we love to fight” – Prove it, you have my acc name. Schedule a fight.

Unfortunately I am not a representative of my guild, and as I said earlier, I do not want to disconnect fights from structures, because I believe surprise is much more fun and challenging. You have to scout, you have to move as a group, you have to be ready every second.
You also have to be able to fight 80 with 30, and give the some for their money.

We all know they won’t do anything. WvW players are less than 3% of all gw2 players.

I do now understand why you’re being so negative about your initiative. If you do not have faith in the game or in its developpers and if the current game does not satisfy you, I guess it is time you look for something else.
Except we both know, once again, that there is no other game that can compare in terms of large scale fighting.
If you think the developpers don’t listen when you are positive, I don’t think they will when you’re acting negatively. Trust me, I’m French, we know how to go on strike, it almost never ends well ^^

I’d personally say the last element of communication we had from the devs on WvW was encouraging (lacking facts, but still, they seem to realize some things).

Regards

Darkman.1257:

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You’ve not made me angry at all.
I’m just stating that you serve the usual BS with a polite tone. It’s great, it gives the impression we can talk, when we both know you actually don’t listen.

I’ll make my points clearer, hopefully.

if playing with lags, blobs and not guilds is your goal it is fine but it is not ours.

There are no goals in friggin WvW. There is nothing to be won.
There is a game. You either play the game, or you don’t.

Nobody likes fighting with lag. Fighting with lag can’t be a goal, it’s something that is achieved randomly when playing.

Respect is earned not given

Again, the usual bs.
You can’t play a game mode and decide that the mode doesn’t suit you.
Respect towards the servers is as important as respect towards the game.
Then again, if you insist on “earning” respect, give your opponents an opportunity to do so.
Atm you just look like spoiled brats. You’re disrespecting your entire server and your army of fighters.

there are 2 guilds on Visunah that I have respect for and that would be GHO and LNM because they try to run apart from the blobs

Great, that’s a good start. Now have you been playing during primes on every map ?
I don’t think so.
You’d see a dozen of other guilds running separate groups.
Once again, give them the chance before deciding they’re not worthy of your time.

You can say it’s crazy and we “have to” blob because this game is about that.

I never said that. When I am referring to the “game the way it’s meant to be played”, I mean that this is an objective-capping game mode. You can’t make it about fights only.
Would I prefer GvG only ?
Yes, of course.
Should I impose my vision on the rest of the server(s) ?
Nope, that’s very selfish.

Put pressure on Anet. Make them give us a GvG mode. The GvG website is a great start.
(although I wish people hadn’t stoned Troma to death when he first came up with the idea, but that’s another topic)

The fact that people blob is out of the guilds hands. It’s simple, people who aren’t part of organized structures regroup together on the map to have an impact.
What can we do about that ?
We, members of guilds run, together as guild groups during prime.
This way, a monozerg quickly transforms into a decent-sized group of PUs, and then several satellite groups.
This is the most efficient way to counter an opposing monozerg.

Do them same thing. Force the blob to split. Attack different objectives on the maps at the same time during offpeak.
My opinion on why you’re not doing it ? Well, exactly the same reason as to why our groups stay in a monozerg : gratification factor, steamrolling, karma, exp. And also, it’s hard to have several commanders when there are 30 players for the 4 maps.

We’re not that different.
We accepted a lot better than you ever did that this game was about objectives. It still doesn’t mean we don’t have small groups and it doesn’t mean we don’t like to fight.
We love to fight.

I personally think you should push for what you want in the game, but constructively. Boycotting a matchup is childish. Deciding your ennemies are not worthy of your time is arrogant.
Creating a WvW website is constructive. Giving feedback to the devs on what is right and what is wrong is constructive.

See you on the battlefield.