Guild Wars 2

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

That’s an eminently fair point. Why didn’t we just start with the football metaphors… Let this be a lesson.

Well I’m Australian/European and knowing you were American … and most of your sports don’t have a promotion/relegation system at the top end … i wasn’t sure you would get it :P

If one player moves to LA Galaxy (Beckham), one moves to NY RedBull (T.Henry) then the competition isn’t unbalanced. If LA picked up Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Giggs and Drogba? :P

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

Okay…. and there we have it. Apparently the militias aren’t that great after all.

My understanding was more along the lines of the following.

I was asking 6 of the starting 11 to play in the 7th division without all those extra trappings you cite. It’s entirely possible that they’ll play 8/9 vs. 11, especially as they move up divisions.

But playing men down in a match where numbers mean a bit more than football, would constitute higher difficulty, would it not? (Progressively more as you moved up).

As for 7 years…. come on.

And what’s the alternative? “Gee, I hope Chelsea gets better this year, otherwise I should probably retire…”

Be Beckham. Play MLS.

(okay, typing that made me vomit a little, but still…)

Note: I’m fully aware that for David Beckham, playing in the MLS and being retired are practically the same thing.

Good to see we are back to a point where we can both make sense of each other.

On HoD it is indeed 4-5 TA + 6-7 Militia under your understanding, but im going with the analogy that the Militia provide the glue that makes the Champion Club. Players come and go, but HoD now has the framework and reputation to sustain like beyond TA (assuming we were to leave).

So to my analogy, it’s 11 + their original 5 players on the bench. Accounting for injuries etc, the best 11 are not ‘always’ be on the field.

7 years = seven seasons. In GW2 terms for promotion demotion it’s 1 week per season. Not factoring in they could move to 2 week matches.

Any way you look at it … playing for weeks/months in an inferior competition when you are a Beckham is retiring from ‘Competitive’ Football … you are going to play for other reasons.

Hence we come back to the original argument. The MLS or Australian A league where you see players like Beckham, Del Piero are not the sort of competitions TA are entertaining. We aren’t looking for retirement homes :P

Since you do understand the EPL, i can make a better analogy. We would rather move to a big club like Blackburn and claw our way back into the Premier League like Newcastle did last year, and challenge for a Champions League Spot immediately. Playing for Bristol Rovers in League 2.

Most of our players would have retired b4 we even got to the Championship :P

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

Then again, if you think that HoD is Tier 3 PuGs without you, then why would you migrate to another set of Tier 3 PuGs?

I don’t think HoD are T3 pugs. Based on the queues and performance, HoD without TA should challenge still for a T1 spot but more likely than not rotate into T2.

To put it in term you might understand (well hopefully you understand a traditional Football league like the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundasliga etc) :

You are asking the Starting 11 Players of a team like Man United, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich or Juventus to go and play in the 7th division.

Without the facilities, trainers, staff, supporters and all the things that make the Club what it is.

Clearly no team below those already in the 1st and 2nd division will even come close to challenging them.

It will take those players 7 years of coming 1st to promote all the way up to the Top.

Fun?

North American World Rankings

Tear of Tears

2143.02 Henge of Denravi
2047.43 Stormbluff Isle
2044.01 Jade Quarry

T2

1987.6 Eredon Terrace
1778.2 Isle of Janthir
1736.46 Crystal Desert

T3

1727.17 Dragonbrand
1693.44 Blackgate
1598.21 Fort Aspenwood

T4

1595.57 Sea of Sorrows
1570.33 Tarnished Coast
1533.33 Gate of Madness

T5

1529.41 Yak’s Bend
1447.74 Maguuma
1432.65 Ehmry Bay

1388.46 Sorrow’s Furnace
1371.21 Sanctum of Rall
1367.18 Darkhaven

T6

1334.71 Northern Shiverpeaks
1169.81 Anvil Rock
1125.78 Borlis Pass

T7

1022.02 Ferguson’s Crossing
723.686 Devona’s Rest
615.89 Kaineng

I amend my calculation. You cannot climb 1 tier per week. If Titan Alliance dominated T1 without the Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders … then clearly there is no challenge or fun to be had ruining the Week we get matched up to the bottom Tiers.

Fundamentally you lack the understanding that if people are quitting one month in while fighting in the Tier of Tears, 2 months of even less competition from your suggestion does not equal " finding enough excitement to keep you from quitting due to boredom. "

Seriously dude, it’s not even worth fighting over.

Yet clearly you keep coming back for more? We can quote tree forever, but i’ve chosen to not quote the rest of your counters.

You’re clearly reading something quite different from what’s actually on this page here. I thought we had come to some sort of understanding, only for you to completely flip over a fight we weren’t even having.

You seem to be the only person who hasn’t fully grasped the meat of the matter.
We agreed on some things and we disagreed on some things … foreign concept?

If you wanna take shots at some other dude’s ability to comprehend what he reads, you should either invest in some reading comp lessons of your own, or a new pair of spectacles, because you’re just making yourself look silly.

So your argument here is the standard 5yr old comeback “No you are !!”

This is just degenerating into flaming. If you can’t see that we reached some agreement and that this should have been settled already, I’ll just do us all a favor and have the thread deleted.

Yes we agree, and we agree to disagree. Make a new post with a challenge to move to a T3 server … or better yet … make a post asking which T2 (not ET/JQ)/T3/T4 server would welcome TA and work with us to push to the top.

Thank-you

Part 2 -

I challenged you to actually make the change.

Like talking to a brick wall …

We did change from GoM to HoD. What we tried to avoid by staying on GoM followed us to HoD.

“Plus, it will be fun to watch the bandwagon turn Kaineng into a max pop server during the climb.

Hell, if you actually do this, I’ll come join you."

No we don’t want to play that broken record again on Kaineng.

That doesn’t mean I fail to acknowledge that you’ve considered it. My comments to other people regarding the inconsistency between prioritizing competition and unwillingness to seek challenge were just that.

There is no competition to be had on Kaineng. There is no inconstancy here, just lack of comprehension.

But go on. I’m all ears, teach.

A deaf man is all ears. You may hear what is being said but you need to start listening.

No. We do not share your view that moving to Kaineng will provide a challenge. No we do not want another round of Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders to follow us again … particularly ones like yourself :P

Challenge rejected.

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

I’m afraid you’re the one with the comprehension problem. You have to understand that I do not address my responses simply to you, and that other representatives of your alliance have posted comments here.

So when we all say NO to your Kaineng challenge … please explain to me how the comprehension problem is not your own.

Don’t know what part of the World you are from, but in all 45 countries of the world i’ve travelled thus far … No means No.

I’d love to learn.

My “challenge” was neither short-sighted nor narrow-minded. The logic of it stands fully intact. If you are #1 because of your core, and not because of the rest of HoD, then your success can be repeated anywhere else. The most challenging course would involve going to the least successful lowest pop server. If you could raise them to #1, it stands to reason that your core is the primary source of WvWvW success.

Again you fail to comprehend.

You don’t got from Bottom to Top in 1 week. It would require 4-6 weeks of twiddling our thumbs. Is that fun? Is that challenging? Which member let alone guild let alone alliance would be stupid enough to do that?

Ascension Alliance and RUIN bit that bullet during the 24h matches, to have zero challenge for 7 days. When they got to the top Tier they lost the interest of a large portion of their members. We are talking 4-6 weeks now.

Because you are a bit slow i’ll repeat it again. 4-6 weeks of PvDooring.

People are quitting because competition in the Top Tier is inadiquate.

The founding member of Titan Alliance has already chosen to retire from the game rather than take up your dim-witted challenge.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/69134-condemned-leaves-gw2/

Less tossing out arbitrary criticism, more reading comp please.

“If Anet provided the right tools, we would seriously consider moving to an appropriate server (not Kaineng).”

Awesome. Glad we see eye to eye on this. Glad to know that the upper echelons of TA are actually interested in competitive play. Remember, your not the only one representing TA on these forums.

Yet i am the Titan Alliance representative that said ‘No’ to your challenge. Good luck finding one that says yes.

Where do you get that I assumed TA ended up on top without any behind the scenes work? You’re the one who stated outright that you didn’t tell people where you were going, and represent a stark contrast to the open recruiting alliances. And yet you then suggest I assume you didn’t work behind the scenes? We KNOW you worked behind the scenes. We KNOW you recruited into the alliance and we KNOW you recruit within guilds of the alliance.

Did you or did you not challenge us to become #1 on our own, without HoD’s militia?

Did we or did we not become #1 under that very scenario when we picked HoD unbeknown to any1 else?

Been there done that.

Do i need to remind you of your opening comment

“Plus, it will be fun to watch the bandwagon turn Kaineng into a max pop server during the climb.

Hell, if you actually do this, I’ll come join you."

That might be fun for you, but you’re the very Tailcoat Riding Freeloader we would want to avoid.

At some point you will say that “You wouldn’t have gotten past Tier 2, without us PuGs” … hence your challenge of doing it ourselves becomes moot.

That’s been part of the criticism of team-stacking.

By this stage you can clearly see i have no faith in your ability to understand basic WvWvW mechanics. We aren’t the only alliance. We have achieved … others have not. Pure and simple.

Where do I suggest that you haven’t considered a server change? (since i"m fully aware you’ve already swapped from GoM…)

By the fact we haven’t changed (again)? I mean why didn’t i think of Kaineng? o.O

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

Marstar, I don’t think anyone is blaming you for your success. Rather, we’re agreeing with you that the TRFs swarmed HoD. Players who wanted an active WvWvW community tend to congregate around like minded players wherever possible.

The transfer lockouts should have prevented the swarm that followed you. The result is that there is a larger serverwide presence of able and willing WvWvW participants.

Now, the standard tactical counter to this would be A) both teams competing against HoD should team up against it. and all lesser servers should congregate their talent with HoDs opposition.

Insofar as neither A nor B appear to be happening (with a few exceptions in what appears to be ET and JQ), things won’t get any more competitive for you guys. In that case, if transfers are fixed, beating ET and JQ from beneath becomes a veritable “challenge mode” for WvWvW for you guys.

Hence the “formal challenge” of this thread.

Now we are on the same page !!

a) Next week we will be hosting ET and JQ in the Tier of Tears. If you remember back to that fateful Sunday match, in the 24h format, HoD was behind for about 16 hours (being tag teamed) and our NA brethren fought tooth and nail to keep us in the match until Oceanic Prime time. At that point we were able to engineer a strategy to break that loose alliance ET and JQ had in the NA timezone and cause the Oceanic/SEA components of those servers to attack each other. To the point we won.

I expect this next match to be EPIC.

b) Anet has stated their intent that they believe population imbalances will sort themselves out. People will have moved already, and people will continue to move.
We have not ruled out moving, but Kaineng is a definite NO at this point in time.

As this thread was to address that particular challenge, and i’ve gone above and beyond explaining why Kaineng is not a valid destination, there isn’t more i can say on the matter. I clearly won’t be inferring which server would be attractive … TRF’s and all

SherlockBrolmes.4725:

I’ll leave it at this. If you guys don’t WANT to leave, I won’t begrudge you that.

You either have a serious comprehension problem or you aren’t willing to read what is being said.

It’s not that we don’t want to move. The ‘challenge’ you made was frankly short sighted and narrow minded.

If Anet provided the right tools, we would seriously consider moving to an appropriate server (not Kaineng).

To assume that TA ended up on top without any behind the scenes dialog, planning and decision making is ignorance at it’s best and stupidity at worst. To think we haven’t explored or address a server move from the days of 8-hour queues till today’s environment is naive at best and clueless at worst

Part 2 of essay 0.o

I hear nonstop that they are looking for “the best opponents” and to “challenge themselves” which is one hell of a joke when you consider what they’ve done is nothing but the equivalent of team stacking in a public FPS server.

Again you seem to lack perspective on this matter.

Pre-release we did NOT announce where we were going. We did so , because we wanted to challenge AA, RUIN and the other Alliance of BWE without ‘stacking’.

We were told that the window for Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders to find out where we were and transfer to us was 1 week.

We dominated the 24hour matches ‘unstacked’. Our initial success caused the Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders to swarm to HoD.

There is absolutely nothing we could have done retrospectively, or otherwise, to change this.

AA on the flipside went with the opposite approach, announced NSP as their release server and extended an invites far and wide.

Their larger size then TA, was unable to handle the queues they created, and elected to leave NSP b4 NSP was mature enough to sustain itself.

Together with RUIN they took over ET. Even so, they still struggled to match SBI. However they are doing what is necessary to improve and progress. If in your opinion SBI isn’t then you should find out why not and become proactive rather than come here and ask others to dumb down their game :P

Again i am not trying to troll you, or SBI, just being blunt

shortcake.8659:

How big of an alliance was it necessary to make? No other server has nearly as many organized guilds that I’ve seen.

I apologise if i come off a bit harsh in this response, it is very hard to bring equilibrium to a flawed perspective without sounding a bit belittling, and again i apologise.

Big enough in what sense? Big enough to encompass a 24hour clock? Or big enough to lock down enough points per minute to ensure victory?

As in our game-play we want to be efficient and effective. No excess fatty bits and no passengers. A mean, lean Titan Machine.

You have to not that pre-release we were ‘all’ under the assumption free transfers would only last a week. Anet changed their minds. The amount of Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders HoD attracted was outside our pre-release model.

That being said we weren’t even close to the largest alliance that formed pre-release. Without going through them all, how can you not know about the below 2:

Ascension Alliance was larger by a significant margin (Originally FA in BWE3 -> NSP release -> ET currently).

RUIN alone was a single guild larger than the whole of Titan Alliance. Let alone the guilds they approached to form an alliance on Crystal Dessert (now merged with AA on ET currently).

Yes, that’s right, 2 pre-release alliances individually larger than TA merged on ET after release to challenge us.

So the credibility and validity of what you’ve seen comes into question.

Here lies your problem. You seem to be part of 95% PuG populous that fails to research before making opinionated comment with conviction.

Your lack of perspective is indicative of you lack of understanding.

10 guilds with 50 members + 5 large guilds of 150 (15 guilds total) is not larger than 7 guilds of 200 members.

Any1 who says a 15 guild Alliance has to be larger than a 7 guild Alliance struggles to be taken seriously.

Asking other servers to try to match it is just asinine. On Stormbluff, I don’t see guilds the size of the average HoD guild except for WM. No other group here has the numbers and the organization that they do, not even close. I’ll see maybe 10-15 people from any other guild together in WvW at a time.

It seems you don’t even know your own server very well.

SBI is a server that did not want to form an alliance pre-release. SBI is a server that adopted a different philosophy. SBI is made up of old guilds that came together and an un-official server of previous WvW games like DaoC (amongst others).

These Guilds have described the war between HoD and SBI similar to that of The Roman Empire to the Germanic Horde. Regimented Order vs Organised Chaos.

This is the server you have chosen. You are doing perfectly fine against ET and JQ with this philosophy and gameplan. Is it so bad being #2 with a unique strategy?

The only asinine thing here is you expecting your opposition to emulate SBI rather
then ask your fellow SBI residents to keep fighting tooth and nail like they were weeks ago, rather than give up, and prove you don’t need an Alliance to be #1.

Where are the people supposed to come from then?

Merge Guilds that are WvW-centric to reach critical mass of organisation and efficiency like what commonly happened when guilds became too small to tackle end-game content in every game since 1990?

Encourage those that have left to come back? Look at a PR campaign?

Should we go to other servers and try to steal their guilds? That just ruins other servers that are already having their own problems.

Come steal Guilds off HoD? We have too many, and with the right proposal, maybe they will be up for the challenge?

How do you expect to improve if you are unwilling to try something new? Come up with your own ideas (instead of asking me for answers :P)? Or improve on other people’s ideas?

Karicus.8356:

I wouldnt of thought getting into T1 is a priority is it? After all that would suggest your priority is purely winning (in scores not in battles). For that, you dont need all your guys in W3 so moving at all doesnt need to even be considered.

However If you enjoy W3 regardless and aim to get as many of your guys on the field as possible, all playing together and all having fun, then being in any tier shouldnt matter.

Although, having zero resistance, also wouldnt suit the bill, I image you’d like to have some PvP and not PvD.

SO i put it to you, it shouldnt matter what Tier any ‘potential or discussed’ move would put you in as long as more of your guys can enjoy playing with the alliance and be on the field against a decent force? yes?

(Just curious and in no way an accusation – wow i have to put this incase ppl think there is a troll in the room lol)

Winning isn’t everything, since Fun and Competition are obviously of importance. Hence why 6 weeks of boredom and minimal resistance (while ‘Winning’) is not a prospect any self respecting PvPer would put themselves through.

However I don’t follow the logic that an Alliance created by (some of) the Top WvW Guilds in their respective geographical region would consider ‘winning’ as a secondary goal.

You pose two questions:

Q2 was whether we we would prefer to enjoy playing with the alliance and be on the field against a decent force?

Yes, that goes without saying. However a ‘decent’ force isn’t who we want to be playing against. We want to be competing against the ‘best’ force.

Therefore the answer to Q1 is, getting into T1 has to be a priority as this is where the ‘best’ competition is.

A misconception about TA is that we are a Zerg Alliance. TA alone is not large enough to sustain it’s very own server. We were designed to spearhead and lead the resident militia that co-habit our server. It is a partnership.

If we recruited some more guilds to hit critical mass, and upped the behind the scenes workload to manage a larger organization (and the ego’s that come with Elitists -pun intended) then yes we could possibly lay claim to a server on our own.

However to entertain a move we would have to consider the residents of any Server we transferred too, to see if they want to work with us, and share the goal of moving them up to Tier 1. Unfortunately Anet has yet to offer us the tools to to shake off Tailcoat Riding Freeloaders that flock to success. So they would then need to consider how flooded their server would become with the success we would have together.
Would they be happy with queues? Would the mismatch of ideologies lead to server instability and infighting … leading to losses?

Just to demonstrate that ‘winning at all costs’ isn’t the philosophy of champions, these are some of the things we a Titan Alliance consider before making rash decisions on our future.

If we could move with a guarantee we wouldn’t be followed by unwelcome leeches, while experiencing adequate competition on the climb back to T1, with a server that would fit us like a glove (in terms of queues and a desire to go up to the top) then you can be assured TA would entertain the idea of a server move.

Until then, we’ll make the best possible decisions we can, given what we have to work with.

The other reason Kaineng would not be a viable destination is because it would take 4-6 weeks to actually reach the Tier of Tears.

On the assumption we’ll rocket up the ranks then you are concluding we’ll have minimal resistance … hence a very boring 4-6 weeks.

Clearly this is not in the interest of TA members.

etiolate.9185:

If the Oceanics are taking keeps with a 5-1 advantage then that’s pretty easy to do.

If …… is an assumption.

There is no 5:1 advantage. SBI and ET have an equal ability to field 166 per map on every map in Oceanic and SEA prime.

The top tier does not have the same night capping problem of the SoS tier. In that tier there is are mirror population disparity between the timezones.

SBI and ET stopped queuing when they started to lose. This is THE issue for the top tier.

gorgewall.4901:

Cloud.7613:

You do realize, while Sea of Sorrows sleeps, Tarnished Coast/Gate of Madness will be nightcapping us? hear us complaining? no.

Oh yeah, TC and GoM are going to be nightcapping you at 4pm EST (5am in some parts of Australia) despite SoS being queue capped at the same time.

This is what you guys don’t understand: you’re playing on a North American server. While you, the Oceanic players, are asleep, there are still more North Americans on your server playing. You have a sizable, even queue-cap reaching population during the NA primetime. You are the only server with a sizable population during the AU primetime. This is where the disparity crops up. It’s not NA vs. NA vs. AU, and everyone takes turn night capping.. it’s NA vs. NA vs. NA+AU, and SoS does not really have a nighttime to be capped during.

At the point in the day where SoS has its lowest population in WvW, be it NA primetime or AU primetime or anywhere in between, the population disparity between SoS and the other servers does not even approach the disparity that exists between us during the AU primetime.

So, for the umpteenth time, in the hopes that it really sinks in:
6pm EST, Australians are asleep, SoS NA team is awake — I have to fight a full compliment of SoS
6am EST, Australians are awake, SoS NA team (and all others) are asleep — you have to fight a bare-bones crew of GoM/TC everywhere but EB

That’s what the nightcapping is. POPULATION DISPARITY based on timezones. It’s not “capping when it’s 5am in this part of the world or that part of the world”, it’s “capping when your server has a 40 man advantage in every WvW zone”. That magical time just happens to be when the majority of players on the server, a North American server, happen to be asleep—the night time for them.

SoS has traditionally had a lower NA participation rate than it’s competitors. You are claiming that this is no longer true. Assuming you are correct then SoS has picked up more NA players recently. Therefore they will climb out of your bracket and soon face servers with equal NA/AU/SEA coverage in Tier 2.

Wouldn’t that mean Anet’s system is working as intended?

The Elite – GM
Titan Alliance Leader

Cavalorn.8057:

I know it may have been TL:DNR, but I clearly state in my post :

" I can’t speak on behalf of the lower tiers and the issues they face with PvDooring and Time-zone imbalances … "

Yes, I picked up on that. My question was more to do with what you perceived the design intent of WvW to be.

I don’t get the impression that all that many people really care about being top tier. They do care about having fun, however. If we’re in agreement that this is a legitimate perspective, then that’s all to the good.

As an ultra-competitive Leader of Titan Alliance, my views on the design intent of WvW would be vastly different to most gamers. I am in complete agreement with the OP : “WvW was developed as a never ending continuous battle”, albeit it’s actually a 168 hour battle.

The problem with the design is that Anet expect us to solve our own issues, as to how to achieve as continuous battle, without providing adequate tools / incentive to do so. However, the solution you seek to improve your experience is vastly different to the solution for mine.

Again i agree with the OP; they should not be solving one person’s problem just so they can cause another problem to someone else.

The Elite – GM
Titan Alliance Leader

Cavalorn.8057:

Marstar.7162:

Top Tier WvW – What it takes to be on top.

Do you think WvW is only for those who aspire to be top tier?

If not, do you think it should be?

I know it may have been TL:DNR, but I clearly state in my post :

" I can’t speak on behalf of the lower tiers and the issues they face with PvDooring and Time-zone imbalances … "

To answer your question, i think WvW should be for every1.

I was merely clarifying that the ‘claimed’ problems the Top Tier has, is in fact completely different from your valid concerns.

The solution to the purported ‘Night Capping’ issue raised by SBI, ET and JQ players is that their AU/SEA players should actually queue.

The solution from Anet for the other tiers would be welcome.

The Elite – GM
Titan Alliance

Top Tier WvW – What it takes to be on top.

Wall of Text Inc :P

There have been many excuses thrown around from the BWEs through to the 24-Hour matched until as recently as last week as to why those who call HoD home are undefeated. As well as many excuses by PuGs on HoD as to why we were losing last week end.

These excuses are Night Capping (the reason HoD don’t lose) and Gangbanging (2v1 – the reason HoD do lose).

I can’t speak on behalf of the lower tiers and the issues they face with PvDooring and Time-zone imbalances, but in the Top Tier there is no such thing as Night Capping.

For those that feel otherwise let start with the basics:

Night Capping – The Irony

NA/SA Prime Time is 6pm at night till mid- night.
Oceanic Prime Time is 6pm at night till mid- night.
SEA Prime Time is 6pm at night till mid- night.
EU Prime Time is 6pm at night till mid- night.

Night Capping – The Ignorance

The match lasts 176 hours.
Not 7 cycles of ‘prime-time’ and 7 cycles of ‘work/sleep’ time. There is no day, there is no night. No 1/2 time entertainment, no time-outs and definitely no injury time.
The score at the 48 hour mark is irrelevant. Last week HoD was 30k behind after a week-end of being tag-teamed. The forums were full of posts from HoD pugs crying that the game could not be won. Titan Alliance had other ideas.

Night Capping – The Excuse

All competitors in the Top Tier have the same amount of Oceanic Players.
Queue time graphs do NOT mean anything. To fill up WvWvW you actually have to queue. When you are losing shock horror people stop queueing (and start qqing). This applies not only to our Rivals but to HoD aswell.

Night Capping – The Results

HoD for the first time ever had an instant queue in all Borderlands and Eternal Battlegrounds at the start Oceanic Prime-time Monday night, thanks to the spineless Tailcoat Riding PuGs who did not want to log on to participate in a losing battle. As a result Titan Alliance, their Strategic Oceanic/SEA partners and the Militia were able to deploy their full forces on the Map.

You want to know why we went from 95 PPT to 400 PPT, even when it was still 2v1 in Oceanic Prime, b4 +8 SEA logged on?

Complacency – There is no lead you can have that we won’t claw back. Your Oceanics cannot take a night off during the week.

Determination – We have been the Premier Trio of AU WvW guilds for the last decade. We will not lose to those who don’t rise to the challenge.

Co-ordination – We are simply more experienced than these new AU guilds, in the arts of MMO WvW warfare.

Moral – Soon as we broke their spirit in each Borderland they resorted to doing the Supply Camp Circuit with a 50man zergs.

Backbone – Once they went from winning by 30k to losing by 30k the opposition stopped queueing … and the NA guilds started QQing that HoD were PvDooring.

Night Capping – The Conclusion

We know for a fact that all Top Tier Competitors have enough people at any point in time to fill the 664 available spots, regardless of what time of ‘day’ or ‘night’ it is in your part of the World. All they need to do is log on and queue.

You only have to looks at Ascension Alliance’s Oceanic roster (not even ET’s total Oceanic Roster) to see they have the ability to fill all 4 maps:

Conquest – 140 members http://gw2au.com/for....php?f=28&t=542
Nocturnal – 90 members http://gw2au.com/for....php?f=28&t=480
Resonance – 200+ members http://www.gw2guilds.../view-guild/184
Harlequin – 130 members http://www.gw2guilds.../view-guild/916
Oceanian – 100 members http://www.gw2guilds...view-guild/1053

We won’t even go into the numbers available to Top Tier Servers in the +8 SEA time-zone.

Here is the Video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL59Rr5aGAg

Night Capping – Moral of the Story

Don’t QQ about your opponent’s ability to have people in WvW when you sleep/work, QQ about your own server’s Carebear attitude when you’re asleep/working. You simply will not win if you aren’t prepared to fight to the end.

The Elite – GM
Titan Alliance Leader