Guild Wars 2

I do seem to get the same damage in PvE and WvW, but maybe I missed something.

lLobo.7960:

Svarty.8019:

The point is that the Guardian stuff that is being destroyed is inherent to the class itself, whereas warriors aren’t forced to spec burst. The very concept of Guardians is being gutted so that other classes can spec certain ways – there’s no way to counter them whatsoever and that’s not right.

kitten .. Guardian concept is not being DESTROYED??
Its one class!! Its 3 attacks after using one signet. Learn to see the animation and dodge/invul/LoS it.

And the boon hate? You still have protection… and I dont see it becoming a typical warrior playstyle as it demands 30 pts in discipline AND not taking burst mastery.

Thiefs stealing boons?? Have you seen the cost of it? Do you even know how thief works? If they steal 3 boons from a guardian they cant do anything anymore for the next 4-5 secs…

Stop overreacting!

Do you even get what we are trying to say? Don’t tell me I need to “l2p”.
Some change was needed, and this one makes the warrior more viable for 1v1.
However this has a huge impact on zerg v zerg fighting. I can “Learn to see the animation and dodge/invul/LoS it” as much as I want, but I can’t watch out for every single warrior in a zerg if he activates his signet.
And that is what is a bit unbalanced. The guardian will be shut down completely in a large fight. I guess you are playing mostly a roamer or spvp/tpvp?

Sil.4560:

Ya. Just commenting on the crazy oldness. =)

got a bit nostalgic while watching :)

Sil.4560:

Is that an Orb of Power I see? x)

Yes, it is an Orb of Power, but remember, this orb doesn’t change your skills. He is surviving because of his skillsets and not because of this orb.

Yes it is old, but it still shows what the warrior class is capable of :).

I found a video of a (good) tanky warrior in WvW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBJ3lUCB5I0

Aza.2105:

So where is the extreme amount of mitigation coming from? I’m trying to see where you are coming from, but I’m just not seeing what you are referring to. Perhaps its some sort of exploit? There was a exploit awhile back with protectors strike, but that was fixed.

Don’t forget the passive/active heal we get from our F2 skill. But also a warrior has (if traited and in full clerics gear) a heal of over 2000 from a single shout.

Sil.4560:

With regards to the warrior skills, Shield Stance sometimes bugs and lets you get CC’d through it and Endure/Defy Pain only prevents direct damage, so…eh. They’re a couple of those things we’re hoping for bug fixes/tweaks on. They’re good, but could use some work I think.

As you said, it bugs out. So it’s not the class, that is not capable of those things.
Endure/Defy Pain only prevents direct damage, right. But while invulnerable I still suffer from condition damage. Of course, you can (and most likely will) get new conditions on you which invulnerability prevents, and you can get CC’d. To say that the guardian is better at surviving then a warrior, it would need some testing. Both need the same gear (clerics gear, the guardian needs a bit PTV too due to the low healthpool).

Sandra Martino.3870:

Nobody gets his point, because it simply isn’t true. However if you disagree with him he will troll you to no end.

good to know that I’m not alone xD

I agree that warriors need something against a bunker guardian, but I don’t get your point that guardians can dive zergs and warriors can’t. I’ve seen warriors zergdiving as good as guardians. You can’t expect to survive in the middle of a zerg as a glasscannon ;)

Haven’t played since the game crashed the second time yesterday, but the new patchnotes say: “Fixed various server crashes.” If I crash in WvW the next time I will ad the log.

Same happened to me twice now, will edit later and add the crash log.

Wothan.4673:

Too many realm xp for RvE.. 75 for a harpy.. are you serious bro ?!?

It may seem like it is too much, but you dont know how many xp you need for higher levels :)

yes, it still works took me some time to get the right moment, but it works^^

Bearlover.8501:

Honestly though the only level 35s who will be running this will be with friends or a guild run. I have never seen a group of pugs accept anything but a level 80 for a explorer dungeon unless its with friends or guildies.

and that is the point! AC was designed to be the first dungeon. storymode is fine but the explorer mode? for sub 80´s? never. imagine, you are just lvl 35 and have completed the story mode and now want to check out the explorer mode. most groups would not even let you in. and if you finally found a group, you would get killed by.. well, everything. I had no real problems doing this with my lvl 80 full exo guardian. it was new, but not too bad. but think of the poor sub 80´s…

I´m in now (did the language switching for like 10 times), but I have the same issue as some others. It shows my email instead of my account name next to my nickname in the guild list D:

same problem here: EU
server: Elona Reach
version: 16732
code: 42:0:9001:4105

Daddydeath.9371:

i just dislike 2 be punished for stepping on something i cant even see

thats the point! I hate this too, but I`ve learned to deal with it. I played a trapper for a while too, but it just doesn´t fit my playstyle. (so I play it just a few times in spvp now if I feel like )but in these few weeks I generally learned a few tactics how this build could be countered.
also I have to say, that I really appreciate this discussion as it makes me want to give the trapper a try in wvw (should be really funny to kill a few “less skilled” people with a trap-build xD).

Indoles.1467:

The devs admitted that trap ranger is a bit strong

strong, but seriously not overpowered. and also one of 2 strong builds, so why nerfing it?
dont misunderstand me I have nothing against balancing, but if you look at the builds from other classes and how strong some of them are I just dont understand, why the trapper should be nerfed, without giving any alternative build, or bringing the ranger in terms of diversity in line with other classes

Daddydeath.9371:

stun breaker, 2 dodges, the thief has wasted his initiative and will most likely go to stealth, by heal or cloak and dagger, stay away from melee ranger and cc, most thiefs would be dead, if they go stealth just aoe, mistake ppl make is that they run away from the thiefs, easiest way to beat them is to make them waste their initiative cc and aoe

I have a lvl 80 full exo thief myself, so I know that well the point of this was to show you the following: you found a way to counter an instant kill thief, so you will find a way to counter a trapper ranger too. and currently, the P/D thief is one of the strongest thief builds (my opinion) and is very hard to beat, just like a trapper ranger.
and if they nerf traps, the only (viable) aoe we have is barrage. one aoe. one.

Daddydeath.9371:

however none of my builds or classes could beat the trapper ranger, am asking for a counter not whining, my solution is to either nerf evades, or to show traps like the rest of the aoe in the game, avoiding invisible circles isnt easy.

1. maybe he was just above your skill level (not meant to insult you in any way) and maybe its excactly the point. you have played many different classes, he only one and mastered it? I played against a really good D/D ele once, with a thief, mesmer, ranger and guardian. I was not able to defeat him, because he knew how to counter me.
also a thief has killed about 20 people in the eternal battlegrounds jumping puzzle, and we were hardly able to defeat him, because he played good…

2.yes, nerf evades, remove dodging from the game! take the rangers their greatest ability! also take them away their pet because it deals dmg -.-"

3.thats the point of traps, being invisible. also, not only the ranger has access to traps. how will you lay down a trap if its visible? it would just be like marks from nekro.

Daddydeath.9371:

Thiefs can be beaten with aoe […]
however the trap/condition/evade combo is a nasty one and should be nerfed

1. and how do you deal with an instant kill from steal + cnd + backstab + heartseeker?
2. just because its “nasty”? lol. a thief is also “nasty” so nerf him!

every class has a build that is “nasty” in some way. find a build to counter it and you are fine…

that must have been an another class, rangers have no builds to kill ppl. sarcasm
but seriously, what a surprise. suddenly, rangers are to strong and need nerfing, instead of improvements? the evade is almost the only strength we have :O and you are complaining about it, because you lost against a ranger? same thing with thieves. I can not catch them at all, they do too much dmg with a backstab and their heartseeker, why dont they get nerfed? There are 2 viable builds for rangers, and 1 of them should be destroyed now?

Lysico.4906:

The bug is where you can throw your pet up on a tower or off the wall to attack

But it is a bug and Anet said it will be removed at some point.

But it is fun to throw the panther up there with stealth and let him go to town.

any post where they said this? :O couldn`t find one

Taym.8326:

To every ranger that is not BM spec (IE Pow/cri, Tough/condi, hybrid pow/condi) this would be a massive buff to their specs as pets would now natively SUPPORT a players spec instead of having to waste traits to make yourself condi and your pet “sorta” condi.

no it would not be….
actually, the pet as it is currently is our blessing and our curse at the same time. I play in P/T/V gear with a glasscannon spec and my pet still does its own amount of dmg. If the pet would scale with my own stats, I would loose about my half dps, even if I only have 5 points into BM. You just think about the rangers that go “condi” or “glasscannon” but you dont think about how much variety, and currently one of the best mechanics the ranger offers we will loose. Having the pet NOT scale with your stats offers so many ways to really customize your ranger. This is the reason I started playing a ranger during the beta and its the reason i still play one today as my main. Taking away this feature of the class would just cripple it. The pet would just remain as a cute looking little thing. And why would I want my pet to get healing power if it has no healing? For example the wolf, I use it for the aoe-fear and the knockdown, now I would have to swap it, because the healing power would be useless on this pet, and it would cripple my dmg even more, just like condi-dmg…
This is the way the class was designed and the pet-diversity is one strength of the class, and you want it to be changed, to be even weaker?
Sorry for mistakes, its getting late >.>

@Xsorus: couldn´t have said it better, I absolutely agree!

nerva.7940:

yea but it was my point to say that LB is trash. you should be advocating for your class. but im sure youre happy killing bads 1on1 all day with your LB bunker build >.<

okay, I dont get it. WHAT do you want? him fighting a 1 v zerg? go ahead and make a video, find 3 good players in wvw and kill them in a 1 v 3 with any weapon the ranger has. then you might convince me, that the LB is trash. the LB/GS combo is viable, thats my opinion, and he showed it in his video. I am excited about your video…

Oh yeah, and no bunker build, because otherwise I am sure "you would be happy killing bad players with your “insert weapon here” bunker build".

I started using the GS/LB combo for skirmishing because ppl said it is “bad”. I am absolutely happy with it two really nice videos you made there! I am currently using soldiers gear with the 30/30/5/0/5 glasscannon traits, but your setup seems interesting aswell

Xsorus.2507:

The vast majority of rangers I run across aren’t very good..

I’d say 95% of them are bow with a kitten bear

generally free kills for my GS ranger^^ I like them :P

I like this idea :D as long as I dont have to represent all the time, I would really like to be a part of this guild :D

Chopps.5047:

I use the greatsword all of the time, particularly in dub v dubs. Slightly off subject, but I also use the offhand axe all of the time. I leave DPS balancing up to ANET and top sPvP players results. Obviously, weapon choice is build dependent, but I’ve found both to do solid damage when you consider the fact that you get [Swoop] (extreme escapability / CD short enough & distance long enough such that it’s faster than running—plus it’s a leap finisher), as well as a stun and a daze. The swings do big AoE hits in a wide sweeping arc.

What more do you guys want again?

I love the GS and also my build is based on it. but a slight dmg iprove to it would be nice, dont you think so? I dont want it to deal 5k or 6k dmg on a glasscannon build, since our pets do (in theory) enough dmg to compensate the low base dmg from the GS. But, as I said, a slight dmg improve would be nice, in pvp I deal (full gc) 1.6k to 2k dmg with the auto attack on a critical (no buffs, just traits and runes). So maybe improve this to 2.5k on crit with full gc in pvp, that wouldnt be overpowered or am I wrong?

the bunny thumper was the build I had the most fun with (followed by a shutdown ranger, its just awesome). so I would have nothing against it, if they return

thanks for your feedback
Yeah, I use the GS for the style and I got used to it, if I try to play S/D or sth else I just cant play with it also I have almost 50% of my sunrise done, so I dont want to move away from the GS as main weapon :>
As I do WvW for 80% of my time, PvE content (like dungeons or fractals) is not that important to me, the only PvE thing I do with my ranger is a little bit of farming for extra money. I am running with P/T/V gear atm and it works really well with the regular glass cannon traits (30/30/5/0/5). I still have P/T/healing for backup, aswell as condi/T/healing gear for a trapper-beastmaster build.
For more crit dmg I could use ruby orbs for the armor, but I dont think that the 4% additional crit. dmg are worth to sacrifice 80 precision and a 5% dmg boost.
However, I still cant wait to test it, because nothing goes over testing

Hello community!

First of all, this build exists only on paper at the moment, since I dont have the money to get the equip for it. I wanted to do something different from the “coockie cutter” (like it has been called in these forums) BM healing build, but still involve the pet as it is a main part of our class mechanic. The main use for this build is WvW in small groups (up to 4 ppl) or roaming alone. Since I have not found a build calculator for pve stats, they are not right.
Build: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VGg-o-BFxEFx-r2cDV-0;9k23;1T9;0T03A0;659B5-V4-NW0LNW4LNW48BG (copy paste if it is not working)

For the equip: Full P/Prec/T armor; P/Prec/crit.dmg weapons and trinkets; runes are 6 superior rune of the ranger.
So this should bring you up to: Critical chance: 44%
Critical dmg: 59%
Armor: 2749
Health: about 17.000

So you can do pretty good dmg even if your pet dies or you cant use it (keep defense/offense (ok, guard is a solution here^^), but still have the class mechanic involved as heavy as possible through your traits.
Traits should be clear, but if you have any questions concerning these, feel free to ask

For pet choice: I choose the wolf for the aoe fear and the instant knockdown after pet-swap and the raven for the F2 burst ability (might swap to jaguar/lynx and adjust the traits).

Slot skills: lightning reflexes as a stun breaker, doge roll and vigor; QZ for.. well… “bursting” or quick stomping/ressing; and signet of stone for 6sec of no (direct) dmg for you and your pet. Healing spring as heal for the water combo field (might consider a different one here).

Weapon choice: the GS because I like it, and it offers a great mobility, a leap finisher, daze/stun, knockback, and a block. (this is your main weapon here, of course you gan change it so S/D or whatever you want).
The LB because barrage is a nice aoe and the hunter´s shot for the vulnerability (I also, might change these if I am roaming alone to axe/warhorn or SB).

If I missed anything or made a mistake, let me know
I´m excited about your feedback, thanks in advance

^This is exactly what I want During the Beta I played with the GS as main weapon most of the time, and I still do (PvE, PvP and WvW) because the pet does most of the dmg (and I like the style of the GS), but if it dies, I just stay there and and wait for the cooldown of pet swap or for my team to help…

Sina.9208:

It’s ridiculous that a full tank warrior using GS can outdmg a full zerk ranger also using GS. (when the pet fails to die for some miraculous reason the dmg is about equal)

The point is, the rangers GS is a defensive weapon whereas the warriors GS is built for offense. A warrior with a GS has no evade with his auto-attack, no block, no daze/stun.
I dont say I won`t like to see a bit more dmg on the auto-attack, but I like the other skills^^

I am glad i could help For leveling i used a trapper build but since i love melee combat with my ranger i still used the GS

I would drop 10 points in wilderness survival and put them into marksmanship for singet of the beastmaster. Then change “Protect Me” with signet of stone. It is a more reliable “invulerability” then “Protect Me” and you dont have to sacrifice your pet. (Might be personal preference). Also I would change the sigils to “Superior sigil of fire” because the aoe dmg is as high as the one from the lightning strike as far as I can tell.
So you just get a little bit of aoe dmg what is nice in teamfights.
I tried a similar build in spvp and it was pretty good. As long as you dont plan on using it in WvW you should be fine with it.

Svarty.8019:

Erotic weapon..? That’s why they call it a Greatsword.

made my day

well, i cant tell whats the best build for WvW, i can only say what i´ve tried and what i am using.
at the moment i use full soldiers armor and accessories, with superior rune of the earth.
Traits are 30/30/5/0/5 with
Marksmanship: I, IV, XI
Skirmishing: I, V, VI
Utilities are Healing spring, OZ, signet of the hunt, signet of stone and rampage as one.
Pets are Wolf (the grey one with aoe fear) and jaguar.
Weapons are GS/LB.
This build was designed to go melee with the GS and the LB for keepdefense/offense.
I have 20% crit. chance and 36 crit damage (unbuffed).
It is not the best build, but is a build i really like, because i dont rely as much on my pet as a beastmaster build does.
I still have around 2900 armor and 21k health so i can stay alive for a while.
hope this helps you a bit

Arkedi.5934:

I haven’t seen people getting banned for that, but I suppose it’ll be fixed eventually. Most likely you just won’t be able to do that anymore, like they did with the cultural armor – since Oct, 1 transmuted cultural armor prevents opposing races from equipping it.

I will try it
Thanks for your reply

Arkedi.5934:

Kingz.1629:

Finally have all the skins to look the way i want to. I can’t get my whispers hood though

You can still get any Order’s armor, if it’s just for the looks. If you have a character with the Order of Whispers chosen, buy the hood, transmute it onto some white low level helmet (it should make it account bound) and put it into your bank. Then you can take it out as a ranger and transmute it again on anything you want.

EDIT: The same procedure will work for the Thief starting hood, if you like that more.

Can I get banned for this? Because its bugusing i think