Guild Wars 2

To avoid jumble ups, and long stuff I’ll just say I’m in favor the whole " Role Diversification: New skills/traits, new weapons, access to inaccessible existing weapons, infusions and hybrid professions" Chris mentioned earlier. I love the Sociopolitical stuff and think it should be included also, but I’d rather it come second.

I think Role diversity would just have a much bigger more positive impact on game play, and re-playability for all types of players. The try-hards can work toward perfecting complex builds, mastering nontraditional combat with new weapons and skills ect. ect.; while casual players have a bunch of new stuff to tinker around with resulting in hours more of game play. As for approaching this with sub-classes I think it’s a great Idea. It would just be blast and would free up many players from being feeling pigeonholed into certain builds. I would just take the fundamentals from the dual class system from -guild war factions- and edit it accordingly.(easier said than done of course) Only thing I would say is this relies heavily on the balance team, and they would have quite a bit of work for set for themselves. but that’s that.

Idk why they censored it but I put buthurt (spelled bad on purpose in case that’s not clear)

@ selan First learn how to read so that will explain the confusion, second the fact that I can accomplish that build (while using it effectively) and you find it impossible where as mesmer isn’t even my main class leads me to believe you need to learn more about the game mechs. Also I run full carrion top level armor with 5 legendary weaps (D/D P/P and SB) with a Major rank. (And I’m a casual WvW player cause I like having a life)I never complained about the damage of the thief, and I sympathize with your kitten feelings about the nerf for the mesmer, honest. Also for the record bleed thief is a joke. I don’t even consider it a condition build. Honestly impo Anyone who gets killed by a bleed theif/ One shot thief/ or cloak and dagger thief needs to get a better understanding of the game; with the exception of course of certain classes and being caught off guard. (Although that doesn’t apply for the one-shot build(honestly shouldn’t even be called a build) because if they catch off guard it’s a simply as evading and healing) annnnddd I’m bored so I’m prob. not coming back to the thread lol

@Sir Vincent III

Thank you I’ll take that into consideration, and thank you for being so courteous. It is something I’ve taken note of, so it does ring a bell. I suppose I get that feeling just because I choose not play the thief as expected. Sadly I have only recently began to experiment with the guardian, so I would prefer not too comment on things I don’t know about. However; I can very easily picture what you’re saying to be true. Thank you for your insight.

@Mere Image. Ok just so you know the confusion damage I got was from a friend in a PvP map a friendly 1v1. I complemented her build and she wanted to show me how much damage the confusion did. Why would I ever do that? I was just stating something. Please don’t assume things it just makes an kitten out of the both of us.

@Engles Have you ever played any other MMORPGS??? Seen the assassin classes on those? that’s what I’m talking about. I’m talking about classes playing the role they were supposedly designed for, and being good at them. And from what I’ve seen Mesmer are excellent at conditions, I have no clue what your talking about. I made condition build with one w/o even trying so maybe you should l2p yourself?? Hell If I can stack bleed,torment,cripple,daze,and confusion; I think….I think that’s a good condition build. Buuuuttt idk you tell me oh great one(also realize that this build stops you from running or attacking unless you want to kill yourself in the process) OHHH and lets not forget that with that build you can cloak and get awaayyy!!! hmmm why does this ring a bell…. OH and I quote “a class unbeatable on 1v1 situations and able to disengage 95% of the time if you are half brained,
Agreed, please Anet give this guy a class to kill anyone at anytime and be able to escape when thing goes bad”.Please stop flattering yourself, it’s ridiculous.

@blutsein I did die lol as stated earlier a friend was just showing me something. I’m addressing the issue that a class supposedly meant for conditions, is inferior to other condition builds by classes that aren’t meant for them.

For the record with my thief I destroy most I come across. Issue I see is the thief is as what craig mentioned earlier. Pigeon holed. Not many options are given. Tbh I haven’t seen a single thief build to beat mine.(Yes it’s completely my build, no I didn’t take something off the internet(nor Have I ever seen it posted) and no I’m not posting it cause i’m selfish that way. Cry about it.) Thing is I hate playing my build. I can’t change it though if I want to keeping killing as much as I do. I’m saying if you’re going to let other classes play other classes(Thief going tanky, or warrior becoming a ranger) then make sure it’s on fair grounds ooorrrrrr keep it normal and let classes be what they’re meant to be. Also please take note I’m saying this for the other classes as well. Everyone has nerfs, and I never said the thief has the most nerfs. I believe a good amount of classes could use buffs in some areas, and a nerf in a few others.(Thief def. included in case that’s not clear). Bottom line define the classes and make them balanced. That is my point in this. A balanced game. Yup crazy idea isn’t it?

@ AAHHH MY BAD I MEANT CRAIG NOT COY SORRY FLIP THAT IN MY LAST TWO RESPONSES

@bobross Very very true I also agree, especially with that last part. really I’m just being a kid tbh and I know it. I’m asking for a perfect balance and ect. (If anything look at Coy’s reply for a better idea)which I know is incredibly hard to make. In the end I’m really just asking for balanced classes, with proper stats to follow. Conceptually speaking that is mehhh sorry I’m really bad at explaining lol

@Coy (sorry don’t know how to directly reply) Thank you! lol You truly read my mind that’s exactly what I’m trying to say! i’m not to great at saying it. lol I completely agree with everything. It’s that unbalanced part that I’m trying to bring to light. It’s something a lot of people know but not spoken of. I don’t see it often in the forums so I thought I should make a post with it. Though I really wish your response right now was the thing at the top(is there a way I can make it more viewable?) but thank you for your input and clarifying things.

@dusanyu lol very true and I can deal with that. And the recent patch was actually a really nice one tbh not perfect but ok. Really my issue with warriors is that they seem to be able to do everything. It’s as if they’re every class in one(by that I mean they can do any build and it works fine). They’re not that bad tbh, really I’m prob biased against warriors just cause I’m jealous of their flexibility in terms of builds. Really my best way of proper expressing the way I feel about the warrior is the Bow example. Why does a warrior do more damage with a bow than a ranger??(Though tbh the rangers downed ability to throw dirt does more damage than a ranger with a bow lol cause in the world of tyria, dirt is more dangerous than an arrow). If I get wrecked as thief or most other classes against a warrior idm really as long as it’s melee or something. When I see a warrior start flipping around doing conditions and high dps…I get a tad confused lol Though truly idm warriors i just feel like they should be….warriors lol (again my personal opinion which is like bleh, thanks for being polite btw and sorry if this didn’t come off as polite i meant it in a joking tone for the most part)

@ Coy Thieves that stack cloak are usually pretty weak honestly I love fighting C/D build thieves. I think that balances the cloak, and aren’t thieves supposed to stack cloak???? That’s pretty normal isn’t it? Also please enlighten me as to how every class is Nerfed compared to the thief. I mean that honestly, not in a rude way. Also yes I feel bad for rangers. The other classes not so much; I do, but just not as much. Thanks for the Mesmer thing btw I didn’t know that, though my opinion still stands in which I shouldn’t see a Mesmer playing thief. Same way I shouldn’t see a warrior playing ranger. I think Mesmer are fine tho. Though I did feel bad about the rune of life thing, heard it was annoying.(My best friend is a Mesmer)

@Cyhann I promise you I will come back to this post and give you a name lol So just keep checking. I’ll admit those kind of warriors are rare, but not that rare I’m sure I’ll have something for you tomorrow.

@Zachary I completely agree, and that’s my issue. What if I’m a serious player, and don’t want to troll? shouldn’t thieves(rouge/assassin) be masters of 1v1’s? With high burst/dps on a focused target? Thieves are ok I just feel like they aren’t thieves. idk I feel like to be good at this game you only have two options. Tank or glass cannon.(unless you’re a warrior cause then you’re both w/o the glass part lol) And for thieves we aren’t the best Tanks nor the best Glass Cannons. We’re not bad, far from it lol but we’re not good either. So in my personal opinion I think every class should excel at something, isn’t that the point of picking a profession anyways? Meh I feel like I’m not expressing myself correctly. Thieves are good, just not at what they’re supposed to be good at. That’s just my personal opinion. Meh sorry Zacchary most of this isn’t directed at you it’s kinda just a comment on my post lol you just sorta spawned the idea for me, and I got carried away.

@bacon please- I have no idea what that means lol sorry.

Ok so I really want to make this polite and formal; but I don’t know where to start so I’m just going to be direct with questions and comments.

-What is the thief good for?
~Base stats are pretty bad, and every class seems to beat the Thief in what it’s supposed to do. For example; You can make a top condition build, but it will never beat a Mesmer condition build. (which is also combined with cloaking, basically a Mesmer can play thief.) You make a top toughness build, nearly every class can make a better toughness build.(Rangers being the exception because you seem to hate them). Make a Crit build and a warrior will just laugh at you.(Clearly in love with them since I see more buffs than nerfs in every patch) and ect. The description of the thief if I remember correctly(by Anets def.), is one who excels at stealth and brings opponents down using venom’s and traps. I find this hard to believe since other classes are better at doing this if they choose too.(using skills that do the same as venom’s, traps, and stealth skills. I’m not saying other classes have traps and venom’s in case that wasn’t clear)
~The recent patch(I think sky pirates) was actually pretty nice for the thief. Adding torment was a good, and made a good difference. My disappoint with that patch is that only one skill does torment and the massive buff Necro and Mesmer got.(Warrior of course got buffed also, but not as much the old patches so I do appreciate the effort. also I don’t disagree with the buff those two classes got, it was ok. Just a tad overboard. Just a tad.) Thief was always squishy which is fine, but it’s a little too squishy now. All I’m asking for is a small buff to make thieves the best at what they’re supposed to be best at. (maybe add a cure conditions to other classes heals, but again don’t make it so that it makes the buff completely pointless

-Did you have a bad experience with a ranger?(Maybe an Ex played that class?)
~So the ranger is just bad. Just plain bad. I avoid fighting them because I feel so bad for them. Every patch seems to nerf them in some way. Which makes what ever small buff put completely pointless. I truly think they should get a buff. I should never be able to dance in the middle of combat and still kill someone.(warriors seem to do this often also just saying) I recommend a decent buff in damage and a high one in toughness. And a big buff on both the bows. (especially on range). (why can’t they use rifles either? Take out great sword and add rifle so maybe it could make sense?)

-About the Warrior……
~debuff……a reaalllll nice one.
~mind explaining why a warrior does more damage with a bow than a ranger???
~why they do more conditions than a Necro ??
~Can heal better than a guardian???
~Can burst better than a thief?
~Honestly I’ve seen warriors take on three people and win. I don’t think that’s supposed to happen….

-Mesmer
~ they’re cool. But stealth and conditions really shouldn’t be so powerful(for a thief yes). I once took 16 stacks of confusion with a few stacks of bleed, and some other stuff. I used two skills and took around 7k damage(just from the confusion I mean)
~maybe just a small nerf on that

I haven’t investigated much of the other classes but from what I see guardians and elementalist seem pretty good. Engie’s can maybe get a nerf a small in the toughness, but it’s not to bad since the damage output seems to make up for the high toughness. If they’re something I’m missing please say so and if you disagree please tell me. I’m really open minded. Sorry for posting this on the thief forum also. I got a bit carried away. Well I would like some input, and tbh idk how this forum stuff works but I would love for the devs to see this. So give it some attention please???

Thanks.

Um Catsia and Butch, care to explain that in more detail? Sorry, I’m not to familiar with the wvwvw badge system.