Guild Wars 2

So I finished my Juggernaut and I discovered that when having tier 3 Asuran cultural armour equipped part of your armour will disappear and you can see the sky through it.
It looks like illuminating parts of the armour disappear when the Juggernaut graphical effect is applied on it (red and orange elements). For a game in which you are farming for a skin it is a quite of disappointment.
Please refer to the screenshots attached.

I went for the Juggernaut for my Warrior and I don’t regret it at all.
What’s more important my quest for it have thought me many aspects of the game and improved my experience in general. After all you have to get this precursor somehow

Thank you very much for the answers.

I did not know that it was said before and I don’t have time to spend all my time on this forum so you can take your rude answers and stuck them… well I let you figure this one out by your self.

I had an impression that this month ANet will introduce some kind of progression in WvW together with the possibility to obtain Ascended items whil playing WvW.
I red through patch notes and I can not see anything that would confirm this. Am I missing something?

Leo Paul.1659:

Why should a precursor (a weapon at that) be so rare that it usually ends up as the last part in making a legendary. As a weapon, shouldn’t they have a purpose like being equipped rather than sitting in storage waiting for the price to go up or something?

Because its a precursor? that’s in its name.
And that’s the only item that makes Legendary unique. Everything else you’ll get with easy. Without even trying. Simply playing the game. You can get a precursor that way as well, don’t get me wrong, but usually you have to actually work towards one to get it.

Deep inside I got this feeling that SH will turns badly and people will still whine about it because they want an easy solution. Lest be honest, and I am talking in the name of all the players that already got their precursors, it is possible to get it using the ways already implemented in the game. It is difficult, time and resource consuming, but completely possible. Everyone who is saying otherwise didn’t even try to get one.
Yes, there were people who got lucky and got theirs for “free”. My guildmate got one from Karka event. But that is fair because guess what, everyone got the very same chance to receive one. Someone got lucky someone didn’t but that’s completely normal. The chance of getting one was and still is equal for everyone.
I have worked hard to get mine but do I hate players who didn’t? No. Why would I. I would dislike when they would change the way and make it easier just to please the crying portion of this forum but that’s the different story.
Because I worked hard to get mine I feel my achievement more complete, more distinctive and that’s a good feeling. I learned so many in the process of doing that. Because I had to research how to achieve what I want. It is all there. It is not a forbidden knowledge and it’s nothing difficult either. As I said before all you need is to try.

hoyasaxa.1974:

OZtheWiZARD.2401:

Geikamir.6329:

OZtheWiZARD.2401:

No I did. I was referring to your first sentence.
I don’t think NPC is a good idea because again the item will loose its uniqueness.
SH will be better but only if they make it really hard.

You said if someone dislikes RNG they can go to the TP. But that’s not a fair way to handle it either, because it so easy to manipulate the price. One player can buy it for one price and the very next day it could be a huge % more expensive. For the average player, the price increases FAR faster than they can even earn the gold. No one likes the goal post being constantly moved back.

An NPC has no affect to the uniqueness of the item. Just because it’s not random, doesn’t mean it can’t be difficult.

Sorry but no. It was possible back in the day when it was around 100g. In fact I know many people and guilds who did just that but now, when the price is around 700g for GS you will have to sell it for around 800ish gold just to brake even. If you want bigger profit you have to add this to the price as well. Trust me to anyone who knows anything about TP is just too risky and not worthy at all.
You invest massive amount of gold in one item just to break even or 5% gain? You mast be out of your mind to do that.

If you would try to craft it from MF yourself and you would see how much money you have to spend then you would start to think that the TP price is actually pretty fair. You can check this forum (crafting section) for estimated data. Average of 2000 GS and you still don’t have guarantee to get one.
World drop it’s a different story but you need to be extreme lucky.
Ohh I almost forgot that people on this forum actually hate other players that got their precursor this way because to them is unfair. What’s wrong with you people…

I’m actually amazed when someone misses the point this badly. The problem is that there is no equity in the current implementation of the precursor system, or in any system which relies on extremely long odds. Of the 3 possible methods to obtain precursors, 2 rely on extremely low droprates. What this means is that a person can flush many thousands of weapons and kill many thousands of dragons, and never see a drop. At the same time, another person will get it the first time he puts 4 rare weapons into the toilet, or on his first dragon. This kind of system, if it were the only way, breeds enmity and ill-will, neither of which is good for the long term health of a game.

But you can buy it off of the tp, you say? Because there is no vendor for these items, no amount of daily/monthly questing that will accomplish the task, there is no cap, hard or soft, on what players can list these items for. Whether there is significant manipulation or not, players will constantly see the goal posts being moved back on them.

Please remember that nobody has an objective outlook on this; nobody has the right answer. If you have a legendary already, you are invested in keeping the weapon as unique as possible so you still feel special. If you have an investment in the precursor market, even indirectly, then you are invested in the status quo. If you do not have a legendary and you want one, you are invested in change. The only people who could possibly be objective about this are those who have no interest in obtaining the weapons, and no investment in any component of the creation of said weapons. Right?

You are forgetting about one key thing.
Precursor is a rare item, something that has been mentioned on this forum on many occasions, and that is why its drop rate is so low, because if it wouldn’t then it wouldn’t be rare anymore. It would be common. Everyone would have one and a Legendary item later. There is not a problem to get all the other gifts, you can do it in month’s time playing the game. It’s not the gifts people are struggling with. Precursor is what make Legendary weapon unique and I believe that was ANet goal when they’re designing ways to get one.
Lets move a way from the discussion about the ways of getting one and look on the item itself. How do you make item unique? You’re setting very low drop rate on it. Of course there is an other way, but that is usually the simplest and the most effective one.
The other would be to design very difficult chain of quests (aka. SH?) but I bet it will still have some RNG elements in it. If you have ever played Aion then think about Fenris/ Miragent quest if you didn’t then just google it and you will have the idea of what I am talking about.

I don’t know how old are you but you better get use to it cos that’s life.

And no I don’t mind the design I’ve worked hard to achieve my precursor and I know it’s possible to get one using ways implemented in the game. Question is how much you want it?
I actually learn a lot as a result of getting one.

Geikamir.6329:

OZtheWiZARD.2401:

No I did. I was referring to your first sentence.
I don’t think NPC is a good idea because again the item will loose its uniqueness.
SH will be better but only if they make it really hard.

You said if someone dislikes RNG they can go to the TP. But that’s not a fair way to handle it either, because it so easy to manipulate the price. One player can buy it for one price and the very next day it could be a huge % more expensive. For the average player, the price increases FAR faster than they can even earn the gold. No one likes the goal post being constantly moved back.

An NPC has no affect to the uniqueness of the item. Just because it’s not random, doesn’t mean it can’t be difficult.

Sorry but no. It was possible back in the day when it was around 100g. In fact I know many people and guilds who did just that but now, when the price is around 700g for GS you will have to sell it for around 800ish gold just to brake even. If you want bigger profit you have to add this to the price as well. Trust me to anyone who knows anything about TP is just too risky and not worthy at all.
You invest massive amount of gold in one item just to break even or 5% gain? You mast be out of your mind to do that.

If you would try to craft it from MF yourself and you would see how much money you have to spend then you would start to think that the TP price is actually pretty fair. You can check this forum (crafting section) for estimated data. Average of 2000 GS and you still don’t have guarantee to get one.
World drop it’s a different story but you need to be extreme lucky.
Ohh I almost forgot that people on this forum actually hate other players that got their precursor this way because to them is unfair. What’s wrong with you people…

No I did. I was referring to your first sentence.
I don’t think NPC is a good idea because again the item will loose its uniqueness.
SH will be better but only if they make it really hard.

Oh yeah. Player spent hundreds of gold on MF trying to get precursor but he should sell it for 80 gold to make community happy.

There are three (3) ways to obtain the precursor. If you don’t like one you just pick another. Don’t like MF way? Buy one from TP or do the dragons and wish for luck.
I got a feeling that the problem is not the way of obtaining them but the difficulty of it. It’s hard and it supposed to be hard.
A lot people is saying that they refuse to get one because they don’t like provided way of getting one, even that they got enough money to buy one instantly. Fine for me but why they whine about it on the forum if they have made this kind of decision?

Finally ANet will provide us with another way of getting your desired precursor but I’ll bet anyone that when they do that people will still think is too hard and complain about it because all they want is simple solution.

If you dislike RNG you can still buy it from TP.

Geikamir.6329:

OZtheWiZARD.2401:

You guys forget about one thing. Without RNG Legendary wouldn’t be unique anymore. Everyone playing game long enough would run with one and people had one after playing the game for 2 months. Not even that, majority of the people that complains got their gifts ready and they are only missing precursor.
Sorry but Legendary weapons wouldn’t be what they’re now when half of the GW2 population would run with one. And it’s not like it’s impossible to even get one with the system implemented. You only need to try.

“Everyone playing [the] game long enough would run with one…”

So you’re telling me you support a system that no matter how long or hard someone strives to succeed something they may never attain it?

Having lottery level RNG does not make something prestigious. It makes the major end game item a cheapened experience where some are unfairly rewarded for their effort (or lack their of) and others are punished for not being lucky enough.

Once again I am not saying is good or bad. I am saying RNG is a part of a genre. Can you name MMO without RNG? The whole point of a unique item is its uniqueness and that means not everyone can have it/ obtain it. And that is not even true with Legendary. I have played in many MMOs and in some of them you have really had item that were literally impossible to get (Aion for example).
Now if everyone around was running with Legendary would they still maintain its “value”? Would that be still desired by players?

You guys forget about one thing. Without RNG Legendary wouldn’t be unique anymore. Everyone playing game long enough would run with one and people had one after playing the game for 2 months. Not even that, majority of the people that complains got their gifts ready and they are only missing precursor.
Sorry but Legendary weapons wouldn’t be what they’re now when half of the GW2 population would run with one. And it’s not like it’s impossible to even get one with the system implemented. You only need to try.

You got SH coming that will change things (not sure if for good though) and they have said that they have something that will shake precursor market. Who knows maybe even February path?

Really? MMO without RNG?

Well, if you don’t want to buy it you can always gamble with MF. If you’re extremly lucky you can get one one day from drop.
There are three ways of getting one atm. Wait for the SH if dislike them or find them unfair.
As proven in the first post while trying to get gifts players are comming across the amount of money needed just to simply buy one of TP without even realising. You can collect stuff needed for your gifts, sell collected stuff, buy a precursor (or gamble with MF, your choise) and then work on your gifts again. The question is not that you can not colect this amount of gold in game, it is are you willing to do it?

You are using game mechanics provided by ANet and you’re doing it in correct way. That’s not an exploit.
I’d advise you to look closer into similar mechanics cos you can make nice money of it.

And why so angry about it? Are you the same angry if someone wins the lottery in RL?
And what’s more important how is that different to drops in any other MMO that was and is on the market?

Actually enough to keep the price on this level.

Karka event was a unique, one time thing.
Don’t get me wrong but Precursor is the only thing that makes Legendaries rare. Rest of the materials you will get anyway. I don’t want ANet to increase drop rate. I’ve worked very hard to get my Colossus and I would be very angry if they would do this. If I and many more players could have done it the hard way, it’s definately possible.

As people have said it already, crafting is profitable, you only need to know what to craft. Do a little research.

@Gasoline

Omg, his point was that the players are driving the prices up, not ANet.

People are willing to pay 700g for Dusk and that is why price stays on this level. They even gave as information of how many where trade in 72h time period.
Why do we have to come back to the same argument again?
ANet controling the prices? Compare Dusk with Venom and ask yourself the question: why the price difference?

Whatever mate. I said what I wanted to say. You don’t believe me. That’s fine.
I am done with this topic.

No, I thought that before I got it. That’s why I did it instead of complaining about it on the forum.

It’s only because people who think the same don’t complain about it on the forum.

I’ll repeat myself once again.
There are only two ways of getting them right now.
Extremely rare drop around the game world or Mystic Forge.
If you actually spend gold and time trying to make them through MF then you will see that 500ish asking price is not much, especially when you can get it in 2 weeks time.

I think they are more affordable now then in September when they were around 80ish gold (the most popular ones) as gold income at that time was terrible. Getting 5 gold was an achievement and you could fully equip your char for about 7-10 gold.

@Apolyon

I spent about 1 hour per day trying to increase my gold income. That’s all. Then I wait for my items to sell.
Speaking of gold making. Lets assume you have some globes and some T6 materials in your bank cos you have farmed them. Now you can sell them all straight away and make some profit, or you could invest them, craft something and then sell it for bigger profit. This is the kind of thinking required to earn money. Think how you could get things you want or need different, cheaper way. When crafting try to minimalize your spending. Crafting rare 80 to get Ectos from them is a good example.
This morning I was lucky in Orr and I got like 10 Ectos from the items. I will invest them to make even bigger profit rather then sell them on TP straight away.
And that’s not all. Think what you can gain with some gamble. I made 10 gold profit flipping Sigils for example. Was lucky and got Bloodlust.

Only because you think they are bad doesn’t mean they are.
They are supposed to be rare, and to achieve this rng is the best choice.
I did not do any market manipulation at all. Most of the people that speak about market manipulation don’t have any idea how it works and what is required to do so.

On the side note, in my opinion SH won’t make it any easier.

Oglaf.1074:

OZtheWiZARD.2401:

Ok. Lets think about Fixed Recepie for precursor.
Imagine what would it be if this recepie required 250 Lodestones from each type and it would be multistage one i.e. you need to craft Colossus shaft and head separately.
Imagine the cost or time required to get precursor this method.
I will take my rng.
Regarding Scavenger Hunt. It won’t necessary means it will be easier to get precursor that way. What if it make it worse to gain?

Your counter argument is laughable. 250 of each Lodestone? That alone puts them over the most expensive Precursor. Why would that make it even stupider than what we have now?

You just refuse to be wrong and make up such ridiculous claims.

Really? What about Mjolnir then. It is only a unique item and it is the most expensive item in the game right now. They will have to make fixed recepie expensive so the Mystic Forge one is still viable. You did not expect to get away with Globes and some T6 materials did you?
Ohh and I am certain that whatever materials would be required in the fixed recepie they would go sky rocket in price.

At this point I don’t even care. I wanted to share my example to show that whenever there is a will, there is a way as well. I gave some tips, some advises (Nothing that you couldn’t reed on this forum before) if you want to use it then its fine for me. If you want to whine about how unfair the precursors are that’s fine for me either. I will be finishing my Legendary instead.
Someone said crafting is crap, well I made 50 gold from it one day. Maybe that is a crapy score. I don’t know.

And I will repeat this once again:
If you think that the price of the precursors is unfair then please try to make one. You will change your mind. I guarantee.

Ok. Lets think about Fixed Recepie for precursor.
Imagine what would it be if this recepie required 250 Lodestones from each type and it would be multistage one i.e. you need to craft Colossus shaft and head separately.
Imagine the cost or time required to get precursor this method.
I will take my rng.
Regarding Scavenger Hunt. It won’t necessary means it will be easier to get precursor that way. What if it make it worse to gain?

Of course it is. It what makes the item unique. Otherwise is just farm for half a year o buy gold from gold sellers.
Right now it force you to learn the game and to use that knowledge to your advantage.

Yes, but with that getting Legendary is a very simple process. It wouldn’t be unique anymore.
I think the rng is the right approach. If you don’t want to take it then you can always buy it from TP. So you have 2 options.
When you decide to craft it however, you will realize suddenly that the price is fair because you’re risking a lot to get one.

Yes, but that’s the different story and personal preference really. Lets not deviate from the topic please.

I have decided to put this topic as there were many topics regarding the issue in Black Lion Trading section before.
First of all let me thank you Anet for this wonderful title. It is a pleasure to play it.

Recently I have bought my precursor. I play Warrior so the obvious choice for me was the Colossus as I am going for the Juggernaut.
Now you can read a lot of complaints regarding precursors prices on this and every else GW2 forum. Below are my thoughts regarding, You don’t have to agree with my opinion, you don’t have to share it but at least read it. It may help you.

For those of you who are saying that atm price is to high you obviously haven’t try to craft one have you. I have lost around 200ish gold to the MF before I decided to actually buy it. At that time the Colossus cost about 500ish gold and to be honest its price did not change that much. I mean you got some spikes in price but the average is still the same. I am not saying it won’t rise but it will be natural process rather than speculation.
I was always saying that the price is right when there are people willing to pay for it. When I bought it the lowest selling order was 515ish gold and the lowest buy order was around 450 – 460ish. I got my for 475 gold from a sell order. I was lucky enough to check GWTrade and saw that someone has listed it at such a low price. I suspect someone has just crafted one and listed for lower price hoping for fast sell. And it was a fast sell indeed. You can actually see a drop on GWTrade on Sunday (check by yourself). At that time I was competing with couple of potential buyers. I don’t know exact number but from the changes in buy orders I suspect there was at least 3 other customers willing to buy the Colossus at that time.

It took me around 2 weeks to gain money I needed. It wasn’t a simple task but as you can read for yourself its absolutely possible and I have learned so much in the process.
I knew straight away that simple grind is not a solution here. I am a casual player, hate grinding and I prefer to enjoy and play the game, rather than force myself to focus on one task or goal and do just that.
Having all this in mind I started to think about other possibilities.
Gold sellers? No thank you. Buying for Gems? You will have to spend a lot of money to get just one item. Don’t get me wrong I do support ANet for their work but the amount of gems you need to buy a precursor is just crazy.
I was actually forced to learn the ways of how to make money in GW2. It took some time and effort and a bit of practice but again is totally doable and the further you go the more easy it becomes.
The hardest bit was to get first 50 – 100 gold. After that I had the knowledge required to achieve what I wanted. All I needed was time.
The reason I am telling about this is simple. Because I was forced to expand mu knowledge and try to find different ways or any ways at all to gain my goals I actually learn how to make money in GW2, I have learned how to work around problems, I became a better player.

Why do I think that precursor price is a fair price?
Legendary are supposed to be a unique items. All the other materials are easily obtainable and sooner or later everyone can get them. The only thing that’s not is the precursor. Because of the drop rate and the amount of luck needed to create one I do think that they even are a bit under priced right now. Not all of them, only the less popular one. If you think differently please try to make one for yourself.
I am not saying there is no speculation on the market at all. There is in a real word there is in a game world. That’s normal. I don’t think however that it got the influence people think it have and the price of the precursor is the price of the simple buy-sell relation.
It is completely possible to get amount of gold required but I don’t think one will be able to do it by simple grinding the content. You need to look into different options. It is possible all you need to do is to try.
Craft is a very lucrative and efficient way of getting money and I always smile when people are saying otherwise. You need to look into ways to increase your profit. Globs are to expensive? How can I get them in a different way? Maybe next time instead of selling all my materials on TP I will actually invest them and craft something and sell it for profit? Selling 10 Globs will give you around 4 gold? You can craft 2 items with that and sell them for 8-10 gold. See the difference? T6 materials to expensieve? T5 are relatively cheap and you can transform them into T6 using MF and some of your skill points. You can farm T5. That’s easy.
So please stop complain that something is impossible and try to think how to get the things you want. You would be surprised from the results.

A lot of people complain about T6 materials drop rate but there are other ways to get them and when you do start to use these ways you’ll find out that getting 250 vials of Powerful Blood is not that hard nor expensive.
I am not saying there is no market manipulation in GW2. Of course there is and it was in every other MMO I’ve ever played. Unique construction of GW2 TP not allows for manipulation to reach a really uncomfortable level.
There are two sides of the coins. People who selling precursors at 550ish gold and people who are willing to pay that amount to get one. If “the manipulators” are getting
their stuff sold for the asking price they will keep selling for that price. Simple like that.
My quest for Legendary weapon has thought me a lot by this game, how to save money in it, how to get what I want by using different or alternative approach and how to make big gold.
Based on that knowledge I think that the price of some materials (even precursors) is high, yes, but you can still turn it into a profit and get what you want with easy. My income is roughly 20g a day and it could be much, much higher. Just learn the game and use that knowledge to your advantage.

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In my opinion not worthy at all. Use Ruby Orbs instead.

There are better runes to chose from which will give you much more then Divinity set.
All you have to do is to know what build are you going to use, what set and then establish what are need for your character to be complete and use runes to achieve it.

For example:
If you’are running a dps charachter in berserker armour you would use more health points. You can then equip some nice runes that will give you some health boost.
If you’re running might speced Warrior there are some nice runes that will give you some might boost etc. etc.
Any speed runes are always a good idea as well as you want to move quicker around the battlefield.

To cut the long story short, you need to know what you want and then adjust runes to suit.

I decided to create this topic as there is a new trend within GW2 community which is basically opponents whom you have recently beaten in fight are denying you badges by closing the game client using alt-F4 shortcut while in downed state.
Now, as small scale skirmishes are the most successful way of getting your commendations and you are rewarded far more often then when you are running with zerg of players.
This leads to a situation in which my average badges income suffers by quite a lot. Recently it gets even worse as 8 out of 10 opponents will use this way of denying your badges.

My question is:
Is there anything that can be done to prevent this kind of practice or is A-Net already working to put appropriate mechanism is place?

There is absolutely no problem with W3 badges assuming you are W3ing a lot and do Jumping puzzles as well.
Managed to gain around 160ish one weekend (2 days).
It helps when you are high dps spec though.

Absolutely loved it.
Yes, it was hard and I was frustrated and use words that are not appropriate and was smashing things around me with anger, but after I have done it it’s very rewarding.
Would be nice to have some title for completion though.
Great job on this one and on the event as a whole.
Please do not listen to all those whining threads, even if they are the loudest ones.
It supposed to be hard but you can definitely complete it.

Asura Warrior.
I did use speed boost and did not use it. Don’t remember but at the time of completion I think I had it on me.

Yes, I did have it. You can see it on the screen

Great job ANet!
Definately the best in game event I have seen so far im my gaming life.
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I did not try it all and some parts are still not completed by me (hi Clock Tower) but even in my wildest dreams I did not excpect to have so much fun :-).
I like small tuches like NPCs in WvWvW or statue in LA.
Waiting for the last part and thank you.

It’s amazing how VS players denied the sole presence of Canadians and yet doring early hours all I can see are members of this 500 ppl Canadian guild zerging around while there is around 20 ppl from FS running around.