Guild Wars 2

Thank you guys for your comments. I guess this is just the way it is. I’ll whisper you Serkit, thank you for letting me know about VOID.

Sick and tired of Darkhaven’s kittenty WvW. I used to be able to log in and roam and run into people, party up on the spot. Now you could run for an hour and not see another soul. Hoping to find the remaining few stragglers so that I can at least have a few people around me.

Amroth.2170:

It just boggles my mind that they’re going to get away with that, and there’s nothing we can do about it. It’s astonishing the level of arrogance, really.

I have been posting on Reddit and I brought up the same exact point. I was shocked at how many people required an explanation on this, and told me I was being an entitled and spoiled brat. For what?! Asking to be treated equally with someone else who is also paying the same amount as me?

They will not get away with it actually, not on my dime at least. I have two younger brothers and we’ve been playing on/off since the first beta. I bought GW2 for them and now was planning to gift HoT to them. We’ve been excited about this expansion for some time. We buy gems often, and thus the $99 seemed like a really good deal to me. That was $300 that I was comfortable spending because I knew I would get to enjoy the Summer with my brothers. When I noticed that existing players were getting ripped off, I was confused at first. I would have even bit the bullet and gone ahead with this, but when I saw Gaile’s impassive reply, the nonchalant way in which they brushed aside the fact that I was feeling duped. That was it. This is where Gulid Wars & I part ways unless I hear an apology to the community, a nod of appreciation to the loyal veterans, or even just a sympathetic note relays that they understand the fact that we’re feeling deceived. I’m not going to be spending $300 and more time in an atmosphere where my patronage is not valued.

On a side note: I have nothing against GW2 support, they’ve been exceptionally kind to me on the few occasions that I’ve had to deal with them. However, the way they are going about this is just egregious. I feel betrayed by a community in which I’ve invested several hundred dollars + ~1500 hours.

Amroth.2170:

It just boggles my mind that they’re going to get away with that, and there’s nothing we can do about it. It’s astonishing the level of arrogance, really.

I have been posting on Reddit and I brought up the same exact point. I was shocked at how many people required an explanation on this, and told me I was being an entitled and spoiled brat. For what?! Asking to be treated equally with someone else who is also paying the same amount as me?

They will not get away with it actually, not on my dime at least. I have two younger brothers and we’ve been playing on/off since the first beta. I bought GW2 for them and now was planning to gift HoT to them. We’ve been excited about this expansion for some time. We buy gems often, and thus the $99 seemed like a really good deal to me. That was $300 that I was comfortable spending because I knew I would get to enjoy the Summer with my brothers. When I noticed that existing players were getting ripped off, I was confused at first. I would have even bit the bullet and gone ahead with this, but when I saw Gaile’s impassive reply, the nonchalant way in which they brushed aside the fact that I was feeling duped. That was it. This is where Gulid Wars & I part ways unless I hear an apology to the community, a nod of appreciation to the loyal veterans, or even just a sympathetic note relays that they understand the fact that we’re feeling deceived. I’m not going to be spending $300 and more time in an atmosphere where my patronage is not valued.

On a side note: I have nothing against GW2 support, they’ve been exceptionally kind to me on the few occasions that I’ve had to deal with them. However, the way they are going about this is just egregious. I feel betrayed by a community in which I’ve invested several hundred dollars + ~1500 hours.

Rather than making a new thread about “the process of flipping” I said specifically that I want to add onto this because I do not wish to create a mess on these forums.

Secondly undercutting is the second part of flipping which occurs once you try to outsell the items you outbid your “opponents” to buy.

As several posters above me have mentioned, everyone is trying to maximise their profits.

It is simply common sense that if you pay more for an item (because you pay one more copper to outbid your opponent) you will eventually have to increase the price you have to sell it at just to be able to make a profit after subtracting the tax and listing fee.

If you still have trouble understanding this, try it out on GW2TP.net. Enter the prices of an item in the calculator, increase the price you buy an item at by one copper and you’ll see that your projected profit decreases (OBVIOUSLY!) therefore, to regain prior profit levels, you will eventually have to increase your price (OBVIOUSLY!).

Undercutting by one or two copper in the short run may seem like you’re helping the economy by lowering prices. But look at item price trends, and in the long run the trend of the prices is going up.

Once again, to simplify my comment and concern; You outbid your opponent by overpaying, you outsell your opponent by undercutting.

Lastly, my concern is directed more towards Anet. If they don’t seem to care about this issue, and a lot of other people don’t care about it either (or fail to foresee it), then why should a few be left behind and not catch a ride on the bandwagon.

Hey everyone,
I’ve been playing this game for several months now and this is the first time I’ve had to come and “complain/rant” about something on these forums. I was going to create a new thread but since its regarding the issue of undercutting, I decided to add it on to this one.

I completely disagree with the OP’s suggestion about a “rule of thumb” for undercutting. There should be no rule-of-thumb, because there should be no undercutting at all! Undercutting is leading to the inflation of prices in the TP and will eventually result in a collapse.

This is because as prices increase, new comers to the game will not have the funds necessary to even consider buying stuff from the TP. And once people stop buying the overly priced items, TP will become stagnant and eventually lose its usefulness.

This game was not designed to give people millions of gold. Quests, Dungeons, and even currency exchange with real world money doesn’t yield a lot of gold relative to other MMOs. New comers won’t be able to get rich fast enough to keep up with the quickly rising prices.

Lastly, I’ve dipped in and out of the flipping business. Each time I’ve tried it, it gets worse. As a principle, I’ve NEVER undercut. I look for the orders with the highest frequency, and use that as a price to place the buy order. But the rate of undercutting has become outright ridiculous and its to the point where you’re orders will basically never get filled unless you undercut. Which is now causing me to sincerely wonder whether Anet even cares about this issue or not.

I’ve been forbidding my self from undercutting because I wanted to maintain the economy of this game. I keep thinking that Anet will step in and place security measures on price inflation or set ceilings to the prices of certain objects, but so far I don’t see any effort from Anet in terms of controlling their game economy.

So this post is directed more towards the staff of Anet. I’d like to know if you would also meet me half way in maintaining the economy of your game. Or should I just simply begin to follow the crowd not giving a kitten about side effects in the long run.

Obviously, I won’t be playing this game for ever. Maybe another few months? But I don’t want THIS issue to be the cause of me leaving the game. Especially when I can see it coming and have shared my concern.