Guild Wars 2

I was in out of JQ and SBI BLs more or less the entire weekend, and I hardly saw anything that could be considered as 2v1 against us (Blackgate). Yeah there were times where both servers were attacking us, but nothing to me that seemed in any that a 2v1 was occurring. I cannot speak for what is occurring in EB or BG BL, but considering that in EB we held Stonemist for most of the weekend, that does make us a big target.

Syphen.1980:

@Decrypter It could be guild golems. I know we havea few of those stocked up in my guild. course then again they could have farmed that much gold to have that many.

Jumping puzzles most likely. I’ve gotten at least 7 over the past couple weeks from them, so it’s not hard to fathom that a few people have been stockpiling someone.

Cover Girl.2580:

I have to change my earlier opinion. I honestly don’t think BG is ready for T-1. I’ve been watching them recently, with intent interest. They just lack a lot of leadership and tactical maneuvers. Just now, in JQ BL, we were pushing northeast on SBI side. BG made an appearance on the map and began capping the south camp. We ordered to let BG start pushing the west, and as long as they stayed away we would leave them. Noticed BG was attempting to seize the bay, so we ordered an attack on the garrison to help them by pulling JQ over and splitting them in half… once BG secures the bay, do they move north? No. they immediately attempt to take our keep.. 3 times. If they had any sort of commander on that could see what we were doing by using (M), they would be able to make a play and gain some points. However, they want to just mindlessly zerg around trying to kill and take whatever looks pretty.

Can I just say again, to all the BG guys here that are complaining they are getting beat down by both servers…. YOU asked for it. Read last weeks thread. the first 2 pages are NOTHING but BG players screaming BEASTGATE and other posts about how they demoralized both servers at once and are unbeatable. Please read them now———
If you were SBI or JQ, would you not be a little bit anxious to stomp the guys that said that?

We’ve been consistently outmanned in both JQ and SBI borderlands all day and yet we’ve managed to far pretty well in potential points the entire time. I’d say it is not because of our lack of leadership that we’ve been having issues, but simply a lack of people to man all the battlegrounds as well as EB. Maybe that is because we’ve had a lot of bandwagoners that left, maybe a lot of other guilds left, who knows? Point is we are doing pretty well all things considered. If you were right, and we aren’t ready for T1 then why did we manage to take 2nd last week? Why haven’t you completely beaten us to submission? Why have we held SM all day? Why are we even on the board at this point if we aren’t ready at T1?

I don’t like to play into a lot of the trash talk, the accusations, and what not that occurs on the forum, but I will say that Blackgate has its reputation of “Beastgate” for a reason, because we don’t give up, and that is clearly what has been happening on the BLs, despite the outmanned buffs, we’ve managed to capture and hold onto a lot of key points. Just some food for thought.

Edit: Don’t take this to mean I think JQ and SBI are letting us roll of them either. We’ve had some awesome fights and I’ve enjoyed talking to the commanders leading their people during them =). I think JQ and SBI are awesome opponents, but just as I wish some of the idiots from our server wouldn’t post stuff, I too wish some of the people from their servers would stop posting equally ridiculous stuff.

Just to point out, this match is the closest in terms of points out of any of the NA tiers right now.

You can get the stealth fountains and easily stealth past all of them. If you have something that casts a light on the ground you can stealth all the way to them. It’s even funnier if you are a class that has a push/pull ability. You could probably knock all of them off the cliff with one attack.

I’m sorry but how is this constructive? I’ve come on here and seen nothing but complaints about how BG is hacking, and how we are all terrible because of it etc. etc.

But how is that supposed to get anything done? Do you think complaining about how a few people on the server are engaging in illegal activities is going to help? Especially without proof?

Rather than post these kinds of things do something to help us. Over 99% of us do not condone hackers or appreciate them on our server. So rather than make these kinds of posts do something helpful. Take screen shots of the specifics acts occurring along with you reporting the offender. I would happily report said offenders along with you. However, these kinds of blanket accusations with lack of evidence does not do anything to help the community. All you are doing is trolling and spurring on hate and resentment. I find it appalling that everyone seems to so nice outside of WvW, but when it comes to other servers people seem to have a vendetta against each other for gods knows why.

So seriously, stop these kinds of post. Try helping the community rather than try to destroy it with such hateful kinds of posts. Rather than complain about whole servers try complaining to Anet who seems to be far behind stop said hackings. Hackings occurring is not fun for anyone, and we would gladly like to get rid of any trash on our server engaging in such acts.

Badwrong.3596:

Terok.7315:

I know you guys are just letting off some steam with the “you have more” arguments, but it really goes deeper than that. TC are easy kills, and FA zergs can be taken down with half their size.

As for wasting resources, why has no one mentioned our 4 golem suicide on the Greenlake door last night? I want recognition for that 4 gold down the drain! :P

Its not deeper than that, each night when I’ve been on during our primetime we have been on equal footing and dominated our own borderland over blackgate. Its really that simple.

You claim there is more to it than that, but there really isn’t. If you are proud of the overall score and its reflection towards server population and activity, then cool enjoy that. As far as individual battles go, I watched blackgate bring nothing special to the game.

False. Lately that has been true, but that can simply be attributed to a lot of people not pursuing WvW very strongly before the change. Early in the matchup, aside from the initial friday night when it was decently even, Blackgate was continuously ahead, and not by small margins either. Most of the time Blackgate would control major portions of the borderlands with EB being about equal.

Daedalus.3954:

It’s curious how we can be called Zergs on FA when we have maintained the outmanned buff most of the week? FA unfortunately has a lot of Fair-weather players, however, most groups (mine especially) run in a very organized fashion and never with more then 25-30 people. Most of the other Commanders on FA and I coordinate our locations via /t and we’re almost never in the same spot.

As far as the center Island is concerned, I’m pretty sure we spent most of the evening last night eating your properly placed Siege and taking the west (and eventually east) southern towers.

To call FA a zerg is just silly.

My points refer to both our last matchup and earlier in the week. Discussing recent occurrences is useless since most people probably haven’t been doing much, WvW based on the scores.

Terok.7315:

I know you guys are just letting off some steam with the “you have more” arguments, but it really goes deeper than that. TC are easy kills, and FA zergs can be taken down with half their size.

As for wasting resources, why has no one mentioned our 4 golem suicide on the Greenlake door last night? I want recognition for that 4 gold down the drain! :P

This.

When the proper commanders and people are on, there is massive coordination on Blackgate that leads to some pretty awesome accomplishments. Yes, Blackgate now has a decent enough population in all time zones to carry on 24/7, but just look at our past efforts. Each week we have improved and even when we were in T2, we were only about 10k behind IoJ, who now dominated their tier. So what does that really say? IoJ had far more coverage than us, yet we were able to keep on pace on them despite all the odds against us.

Yes, having 24/7 coverage does make things a lot easier and allows you to hold onto things more, but having coordination and knowing which targets to hit, where to properly place siege, etc. is a major key in winning WvW. As I pointed out earlier I’ve consistently seen FA try to go across “zerg island” and continuously wipe on it due to a few siege placed properly. I’ve seen horrible treb placement by TC so that a suicide run or two will kill them. Knowing how to counter all these things and make comebacks is what has placed Blackgate in the position it is in.

Match is almost over so I’m going to give a bit of advice to those of you at Fort Aspenwood. You guys seems to really like to take the south middle island and the southern supply camp. You like that area so much that you constantly go on the bridges to reach the other side. It is really easy to hit you on that are with a treb and balista. We’ve kept you on the island for over 3 hours before with minimal siege because of how narrow it is. We’ve named it zerg island because the FA zerg is always on that island and continuously wipes on it. I’d highly suggest finding new routes instead of going through the island.

There is no such thing as actual spawn camping. You have three ways out of your camp. Use them.

Perim.8563:

I hadn’t queued at all this week after seeing we were red again. Just tired of it, and it’s hard to remember a time when we weren’t red. Maybe that’s some of the reason for fair weather-ness on FA. I’m also usually alone from my guild when I do go, and it’s started to get to me.
I had been noticing a decline as the weeks went on though. Near release and through the 24hr matches there were constant multi-hour queues just to get in anywhere, and for the last few weeks there had been no queues whenever I tried to join. I’d never even seen an outnumbered buff during my playtimes until last week.

It’s based on your position in the tier. The ways things are shaping up, you are going to be blue next week.

Twinbros.5372:

Vanity.2506:

Xpiher, not really working out so far. BG was just assulting QL, Brav and VK. They’re fielding more than both teams combined at 10 AM Pacific. They’ve got the coverage that neither server has. We (TC) has been taking towers and camps and leaving them open for FA to walk in and try to get a foothold and they’re just not able to do it. We’ve seen probably 10 total FA in EB this morning and BG zergs of 30-50 … when we’ve seen them (invis is still here, yay!).

TC isn’t going anywhere. We’ll perform at the same level we always do, no matter what. But it’s going to be a long week. Might as well just settle in and stock up on the jelly.

Yea it’s starting to get boring because were always outnumbered. I love me some RP, but I’m considering a move to one of the top WvW realms so that I can have free/easy wins with maxed out server populations.

If you think we (BG) are having free and easy wins then you are sadly mistaken. Also, you are pretty much insulting all the efforts of the people on your server. If the reason you do WvW for is simply to win, then you should probably transfer to the #1 server to begin with. TC and FA has been putting up fights and making us work to keep what we have, in fact TC just managed to get a foothold on their own map and take their garrison back from us. I really hope people like you that simply want to win don’t queue in TC so then maybe those that are dedicated will come and fight us.

Notrub.6925:

I just wanted to chime in on the orb thing. First I am from SBI, just to get that out of the way.

Anyway, yesterday I played about 13 hours on the SBI borderlands map. We had held the garrison since the day before. About 3AM eastern I was waypointed to the garrison to to do repairs. I just happened to be facing the orb altar when lightning struck the room and the altar was broken and the orb was gone. About a minute later the orb appeared at the Titanpaw orb alter. We went to go retrieve it but the orb guardian and all the NPCs were green and we couldn’t attack them to get the orb back. It sat there for 11 hours before I beleive it was BG came and got it and took it to the Hills keep.

Now, that I have seen it with my own eyes I do not think a lot of the talk about people exploiting to get the orb is what is actually going on. There seems to be some kind of mechanic in place with the quaggan to break the orb altars in the keeps. Which is fine by me now that I understand it. It just means that having the quaggan on your side will be important and probably lead to some epic underwater battles from all 3 servers.

Though I do believe that the NPCs being unattackable for 11 hours by the home team must be some kind of glitch? Would be nice if someone from Anet could chime in one way or the other to verify if this is what is really going on with the orb and if it is intended?

Honestly, it was probably a bug. A similar thing happened last week where we (BG) lost our keeps and the orb, but we managed to defend the orb altar. The orb was retaken, but we killed the orb carrier and reset it and still had siege to defend through the next wave of assaults. The second time the orb respawned; however, there was no champion and the shield was around the orb, prevent us from taking it. While it did benefit us, I suppose, we were pretty WTF about the whole thing since we definitely wanted to move the orb in our garrison and we initially thought that the other server hacked it so we couldn’t move it. I highly doubt it was something that someone on the server did, and most like an error. They seem to occur at a decent frequency and as upsetting as it is, I highly doubt someone on the server is doing it.

Blackgate borderlands is also broken.

With regards to attacking the tower, Barkey, we had an inept commander leading. Unfortunately people seem to think that no matter what it is a good idea to follow the person with the symbol in order to “stay as a team,” even if that means hitting useless targets and dividing the fronts. The rest of us had a much better plan, but unfortunately this person refused to listen or work with anyone and he clearly new everything he was doing. Also note that it was pretty much his first time ever doing WvWvW. Sooo yeah. Unfortunately not much we can do when those kind of people take charge, despite the wishes of those know what to do.

Might be a little late, and I’m not involved in any of the servers, but I believe that if you talk to the quartermaster the altar can be rebuilt.

I’m not on any of these servers, but props to Chaster’s guild for not falling for the SM temptation and capping other stuff. It’ll be interesting to see what happens on Kaineng as people transfer to it and they actually get a decent population.

Eurlin.4256:

Good for BG on getting some European servers! Next time let us have one

I won’t lie it’s a bit demoralizing to see no one on Dragonbrand stay longer than 30 minutes to fight it out, but I guess that’s how things go. People left us when JQ kicked our kitten and people will leave us when another well rounded server comes in. We had queues for a few days, not all of prime time…but pretty close. Now I can jump back in whenever I want. Just no one else to play with except Atac, and my guild.

It’s all part of the game I really don’t know why everyone had to just up and go once they saw it happening instead of trying to fight. I had members tell me that everyone was in Lion’s Arch just crying about them instead of actually making a push on 1 borderland to at least get some points.

We’ll keep fighting and see how DB fairs next line up, maybe we’ll drop another tier and can kick those servers kitten and cheer up this server to get more than 2 guilds playing at one time.

I think that is one of the things that helps to make BG so great is that, when I login at least, my guild and I look for which the worst battleground is and immediately queue up for that one and do our best to start retaking stuff. Being on BG I’ve noticed that when things really start to look grim we tend to do our best to push back and fight it out, even if it means defending a single camp with a ton of siege. Just because you are doing bad at one point in time doesn’t mean you will continue doing bad the rest of it. You just need to do your best to push back and eventually the enemy will get tired of throwing themselves against a wall, giving you a chance to rally and take over.

Just want to say that it has been awesome to see FA pushing back hard. Yesterday when I was on during the day it didn’t seem like FA even existed, but now to see them taking over the map and pushing hard is really refreshing.
-Mesmer on BG

What’s the point of a profanity filter then if you get banned for swearing? I can understand the issue of circumventing the filter, but the be outright banned for swearing doesn’t make any sense when there is a filter in place.

With regards to Morgan, I will say that is one fight we did manage to have a pretty simple time with. We pulled Morgan back and kill him then ranged down all the adds one by one once Morgan was dead. That part wasn’t too bad. The part before it with adds camping us as we spawned was not fun at all.