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@ kay. Please inform me what part of my statement is false.
The 500/10 game score, complete hyperbole, that is a very RARE occurrence
Queue times in unranked are no where near an hour long
And your statements about “being able to know if im getting better” can be said about ranked as well, especially if the matchmaking is as unbalanced as you claim
1. Yes that is a rare occurrence but so is a game where its 400/500. The majority of games are blowouts. A better example that i see all the time would be something like 222/500.
2. You want me to record this kitten for you too see. Remember not everyone plays when you do, so you might not be experiencing this. But i doubt you are even trying unranked queue because you are obviously one of these people who is getting free wins in ranked.
3. yes ranked is unbalanced as i claim but it does give me a tiny gauge to how well i am doing vs unranked with nothing. A broken rating system is better then no system.
FYI i am still curious how are you judging “every good player i know”. Since last season does not count and i know some people who have played since release who are stuck in emerald/sapphire.
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@ kay. Please inform me what part of my statement is false.
You dont care about the back piece? Then stop playing ranked and play unranked, problem solved
Please kindly reread this for that go play unranked argument.
Not really. I don’t care what division i am in, I just want to have fun(not get murdered 10/500) while also being able to know how well i am doing as a player (so i can tell if i am learning to play better or not). Unranked does provide fun. But there is no way for me to tell if i am playing fresh newbs or decent players. Also unranked does not really work when everyone is playing ranked and i have hour long queue times trying to play unranked.
If they use an invuln for a finish, they have a long cool down before using again.
Distortion: 60
Only thing with this is Continuum Split + Signet of Illusions you can literally use Distortion 4 times in a very short amount of time if done correctly. Or use it twice to finish one person then use it twice to finish another. here is the math(i think) feel free to correct me if its wrong.
split you have 4.5 seconds until you go back in time
shatter
3 seconds Distortion
finish (lets say you get interrupted at 3 1/2 seconds)
Illusions = 1.25 cast time. 4.5 total
shatter quickly gain 3 seconds Distortion
split go back in time
and this is without calculating the Alacrity you get.
shatter and Illusions are reset at this point you can finish another player.
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Its a competitive ladder system , actual GOOD players are progressing just fine, every good player i know has had no trouble at all getting to at least ruby division, everyone else ive seen complaining have been the players who claim to be “average” , “not the best, but still decent”, and “did decent enough last season” (despite last season being a complete joke where low mmr players only had to face other low mmr players)
Everyone thinks they are entitled to a high division, no one seems to want to admit that they are a emerald/sapphire caliber player, yet if the system is working correctly a MAJORITY of players SHOULD be there.
Using last season to gauge where you should be now doesnt work, because 1. Last season had the WORST matchmaking and was a complete gamble and 2. We arent even half way done with the season yet.
Entitled people love to find other entitled people and join hands in a “gimmie gimmie” mob mentality, kind of like unions.
Enjoy your fake fabricated MMR “GOOD player” hope it helps you sleep at night.
btw how are you judging “every good player i know”.
Because i know plenty of people who have thousands + pvp games and have been playing pvp since release who are feeling the broken system.
This part is funny “despite last season being a complete joke where low mmr players only had to face other low mmr players”
Lol this season “where high mmr players/teams only have to face lower mmr players/teams”
Please tell me how this is better.
here is a photo someone else made for a visual.
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Same cyclical argument over and over, “i dont care about what division im in”, “all i care about is even matches”, “were not complaining about not getting a higher division, we just want competitive matches”, its all BULLkitten excuses, the reason your complaining is because you want a higher division, period
If all you REALLY care about is even 50/50 matches, PLAY UNRANKED, otherwise your just making bullkitten excuses to distract from your real intentions, to “get yours”
Not really. I don’t care what division i am in, I just want to have fun(not get murdered 10/500) while also being able to know how well i am doing as a player (so i can tell if i am learning to play better or not). Unranked does provide fun. But there is no way for me to tell if i am playing fresh newbs or decent players. Also unranked does not really work when everyone is playing ranked and i have hour long queue times trying to play unranked.
You should read this if you think everyone is only concerned with the “reward” of being in a higher division.
http://www.mostdangerousgamedesign.com/2013/08/the-psychology-of-rewards-in-games.html
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2 Emerald on my team
2 Rubys on the enemy teram, great…
Get in the tardis and stop anet from breaking stuff.
It is strange that Anet said nothing so far. Wish they would communicate wether they change the matchmaking or not.
People would leave at a higher rate if they came out and said “this is the way we wanted it not going to change.” And i don’t think they want to lose all that money.
As compared to what? What other MMO provides such tactical gameplay? You aren’t going to see anything more complicated than peeling, focusing, and LoS.
It seems to me like you want to be a healer, and that’s fine. Having healing classes doesn’t add depth to a game though. Look at wow pvp, the entire fight is centered around trying to chain cc the healer and burst them down.
MORTAL ONLINE. That kitten is hardcore. You gota parry and aim your attacks with perfect timing. None of this i push this button and i block for 1 min. Its like you are actually fighting with a sword/magic/bow in real life. And it has all this other stuff “peeling, focusing, and LoS”.
1) Day 1.
2) Emerald 2
3) no lol i got 200 ranked played 15 wins
4) No not really.
5) For ever 1 win i get 15-20 loses
6) i use to play 20-40 games a day. Now i play 1-5 and if i lose 3 of those in a row i go to wvw. Most my time is spent in wvw now.
i have 2500 something unranked games with a 57% win rate.
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This is not the case because you cannot go down divisions. People who winning streaked up during the imbalance will not sink back down again.
^ THIS.
If they are still playing, this only works if everyone keeps playing till the 18th of April. I will bet not everyone who started the league will still be playing by then. But hay I’m gonna take a guess that you are riding the win wave and see no problem with the “bads” getting stomped and should not be playing ranked.
Yup i use to play 20-40 games a day. Now i play 1-5 and if i lose 3 of those in a row i go to wvw. Most my time is spent in wvw now. Until i remember how broken wvw is. Then i will probably just go back to league or Eve or mortal haven’t decided.
and they are paying more $$ for those accounts. anet wins.
Not if they use a none HOT build on both accounts and just play FTP on the other.
you still have to pay for account. accounts arent free.
Yes they are i just made another account under another e-mail. In fact the alt account i am currently on was the same. I just recently bought HOT on this one. But i got all the way to lvl 70 without paying a dime.
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Why not write a computer program that simulates the matchup process they do?
It should clear up whether their system works fine or not.No need there is already proof of people making multiple accounts. One ending up in a high division and one being stuck in a low division.
Where is said proof?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-is-your-winning-rate/first
Read jackshadows post with pictures of two accounts. Now he could be lying. But there was other proof somewhere at season start i just cant find it.
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and they are paying more $$ for those accounts. anet wins.
Not if they use a none HOT build on both accounts and just play FTP on the other.
Why not write a computer program that simulates the matchup process they do?
It should clear up whether their system works fine or not.
No need there is already proof of people making multiple accounts. One ending up in a high division and one being stuck in a low division.
Better yet why not displayed everyone MMR on match stats screen. That way we can see what side of the “matchmaking system” we are on for that game. The low MMR team or the higher MMR team. Then we can all just decide as a team if we want to afk or not.
And it would prove to these ^ good players how artificial their MMR is.
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Free wins are great bro. The new system is awesome.
Now I said it, where is my free win streak.
I am contemplating making new accounts until i get my first 10 games on the winning side of the slot machine so i can have all these free wins too.
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+1 to this. I don’t think i am “entitled” and deserve diamond or legendary. I don’t even give a kitten about the rewards. All i want are decent games not 20/500 where i spend my time the entire game 1v5 or 2v5 while the rest of my team does nothing.
I have talked to these people after we get murdered and asking them what they are doing. Know what the top response is from the ones that respond. “I don’t like pvp” or “i dont usually play pvp” or “that was my first game” and “i just want wings”. (They are just looking for people to carry them so they can buy the kitten wings and go back to pve).
The only problem with this is when you have a team of 3-4 pves looking to get carried and 1-2 actual people who like pvp there is no carrying.
i am not talking about 1-2 games. That was just and small example. I am talking about any number of games it does not matter luck comes into the equation = broken system. By luck THE OTHER TEAM is random its just someone in your current pip/league. But they all have the same MMR so it could be above or below your teams meaning HARD LOSE or HARD WIN depending on how LUCKY you are.
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They actually do something fairly similar already.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Matchmaking_Algorithm
The first phase, called filtering, gathers players based on their current MMR and Ladder Points.
Your ladder ranking is determined by how many points you are awarded throughout a season.
You are awarded points for playing well, and often, and sometimes even if you lose a game.
I have looked at that and it is not nearly in depth when it comes to how well you actually played as what i just suggested.
Meaning those stats everyone sees and the end of them game.
Frigin use them. If Larry just played and his team won.
Total mmr awarded to larry before calculations +200(Cap for wining)
Larry died 10 times but got 5 assist kills. – 20
Larry did not apply any healing to anyone on his team. – 20
Larry did not try to capture a single point(this could be calculated by how long they where on the point + how much damage they took. if they where first on the point and if the point was actually captured). – 20
Larry did not apply and boons to himself or any team mates.
-20
Larry did not remove any conditions from his team – 20
Larry did not remove any conditions from him – 10
Larry took the least ammount of damage on his entire team – 20
Larry did the least ammount of damage on his entire team – 20
Larry is a bad player he is getting carried. Larry gets +50 MMR but the next pip requires 100. Larry does not advance a single pip instead. He gets half of one and must do this bad again to get the other half or do worse and lose the half he already has.
OR
Total mmr awarded to larry before calculations +200(Cap for wining)
Larry died 4 times but got 10 assist kills. and 5 solo kills – 0
Larry did not apply any healing to anyone on his team. – 20
Larry did tried to capture the most points and did good. + 20(because no longer at cap)
Larry applyied some boons to himself or any team mates but less then anyone else on his team.
-5
Larry did not remove any conditions from his team – 20
Larry did not remove any conditions from him – 10
Larry took the most ammount of damage on his entire team + 20
Larry did third best damage + 10
Larry get 195 mmr
Larry gains a pip.
Obviously these numbers would be changed to whatever is decided. Just a concept that would make it so your not just advancing because of wins but also HOW WELL YOU assisted you team in making wins.
It’s because of how the MMR works this season. If you have good MMR you’re gonna get good team mates, that’s how it works now . If you had good first matches you’re gonna get it easy through the season for a while.
Yes if you had good mmr and got lucky to be on the side with the high mmr team you will advance. If you had good mmr and got unlucky and the other side was higher. You lost and your mmr tanked now you are stuck in a endless cycle for a couple of weeks.
Example
Tom has 2500 MMR he gets matched with team mates also with 2500 MMR. But wait Tom is hella unlucky and the other team has 3200 MMR. Tom gets destroyed his mmr drops to 1800. Tom plays another game same thing happens now he has 1200 mmr. Tom is kittened.
OR
Tom has 2500 MMR and his team mates have 2500 MMR. The enemy team has 1800 MMR. Tom wins. Tom climbs. Thinks hes really good but really he just got lucky enough to get a low enemy on the first match. Eventually tom makes it to ruby where he is now stuck because he really sucks and now everyone on both teams is pretty much on the same level. Except Tom.
“Eventually everyone will be where they belong”
O wait except for the players like tom in the second example WHO made it (insert league here) because they got lucky the first few matches and continue to get lucky and face lower opponents.
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Just delete necro already.
Well some friends already thinking to quit the game now. Including me.
This matchmaking is a nightmare.
+1 luckily this is my second account and i just bought hot on it about 3 days ago, So i can look forward to that refund for at least one account.
You do realize that its just as likely that your got carried though all of these games by 1-4 players and your not actually in your skill division. Just something to ponder for a few of overconfident players posting here. Guess it does not really matter because eventually you will stop being carried and be stuck in what ever division you are in.