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Warriors are the best damage dealers period, but there has been quite a lot of research on the subject by people much smarter than me and the Guardian is not that far behind. Like 5% behind. Just because you can do 17K burst damage on your warrior and only 3K on your guardian does not mean the Guardian does lower DPS. From what I’ve seen, when you factor in all the numbers over a LONG period of time the Guardian’s GS can output slightly lower damage numbers to a warriors.
I’d like to see this “research” because it’s a lot more than 5%.
Guardian may be better than other classes (or not) but it’s far behind Warrior.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70080-guardian-effective-dps-tests/
This doesn’t match up at all with my testing on target dummies in the Mists. Number crunching may be fun to do when there’s no way to test in game, but there is.
I am not the person who did the calculations.
I understand the popular view that warriors deal significantly more damage than guardians. This is probably because a majority of guardians share the same view and are specced defensively, while warriors are specced offensively (and have a lot of damage dealing traits and utility skills)
The testing in the post above does include practical tests (hitting target dummies in the mists for example) if i’m not mistaken.
Unless you can account for all variables (attack speed, skill chains, traits, might, critical rate, damage, and thus effective increase in damage) while testing without crunching numbers, i would rather buy what this guy is saying. Not saying that you’re wrong, but maybe you would have come to a more informed conclusion if you did a more comprehension test.
Read the next page of that thread too, i believe they do numbers for weapons with different trait combinations as compared to the first post (thus being more accurate for AH builds)
Not trying to say that you’re wrong Yaki. Given the gear and playstyle of the majority of guardians i would agree that guardians deal less damage than warriors. But given the calculations done i do believe that if a guardian wanted to, his damage can reach within +- 10% of a warrior’s, and still provide significant (if not almost gamebreaking) support. I’m assuming a certain margin of error in his calculations of course.
Guardians are one of the best DPS. Or can be. On (or very close to) the same level as warriors. (I don’t know about Thief or eles or that other classes tho.)
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I’ll just go out on a limb here and say that Guardians are just not going to be the best damage dealing class. Yeah, you can trait and gear them for damage, and they’ll do well, but other classes are simply going to be better. The guardians are meant to play a specific kind of role, which is supportive even when it’s not built for support. That’s what they’re good at.
I’ll have to agree that guardians are meant to play a supportive role. But there is no reason why guardians cannot be on par with other damage dealing classes (see: Effective DPS test link several posts up).
I don’t know where there is this stigma that guardians do little to no damage. (Not saying that you are causing guardians of that). I have been told that a few times in groups and it just pisses me off.
No offense guys.
In a dungeon, I have read if you go full dps don’t forget to warn your team, as usually guardians are expected to tank, and if you can’t tank that well, your team should be aware of…
A full-beserker guardian can still tank. At least some/most builds. And pretty well too. And it cases where you have to facetank a large amount of damage, no reason why you cannot bring a PVT/Knights set with you and swap out.
imo, guardians are one of the best classes to go full glass cannon (beserker gear, not traits) due to the number of reflections, blocks, absorptions and sources of healing we get. Those and reasonable awareness and dodging skill, we don’t go down any more than classes who are defensively specced, and deal pretty high dps.
Warriors are the best damage dealers period, but there has been quite a lot of research on the subject by people much smarter than me and the Guardian is not that far behind. Like 5% behind. Just because you can do 17K burst damage on your warrior and only 3K on your guardian does not mean the Guardian does lower DPS. From what I’ve seen, when you factor in all the numbers over a LONG period of time the Guardian’s GS can output slightly lower damage numbers to a warriors.
I’d like to see this “research” because it’s a lot more than 5%.
Guardian may be better than other classes (or not) but it’s far behind Warrior.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70080-guardian-effective-dps-tests/
It would seem like the numbers have been modified; the guardian GS DPS doing more damage (if traited optimally) that warrior GS, and guardian hammer coming pretty close.
Please remember that those numbers are for DPS and not burst damage, and are assuming you are traited to maximise the weapon’s damage (which most guardians are not.)
Guardians are very, very capable of dishing out high, sustained DPS (see: Guardian Scepter). But for some reason there is this general assumption that guardians do no damage. No idea why.
Edit: And to the OP: If i’m not mistaken (i could be), Healing power scales pretty badly with AH. It would be better to allocate your stat points somewhere else.
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It shows a 5% increase in critical rate chance oh my hero page [H] when i am equipping my weapon, but that disappears when i equip my kit (decreases by 5%)
Is it just me, or does the sigil of accuracy (+5% critical chance) still does not work with kits?