Guild Wars 2

projectcedric;
Semantics is just somebody trying to twist an argument to suit what they want. Which is exactly what you are attempting (and failing) to do.

Please don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

lolitsage.2185:

>says game is bad
>claims to value his time
>writes a long paragraph on the games forum
O the irony

Writes a long paragraph on the forums – 5 minutes.
Plays the game to discover is still isn’t worth coming back to – 5 hours.
Tool that can’t see the difference – Priceless

Hellkaiser.6025:

If you’re trying to form a group using LFG etc in map chat, you’re gonna have a bad…. suppressed due to excessive typing

Thats gold! ROFL

Thanks for clearing up what you mean. Please, allow me to retort.

projectcedric.6951:

What it means is that you focus that “selective vision” the other way around. Is it not entirely possible to judge a game based strictly on what it has accomplished rather than what it has failed to do?

Don’t tell me that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing for you to say that it didnt deserved your time and money, because I feel differently. I worked as an artist in the game industry too, and I can appreciate that even just the amount of work and design put into the environment of this game is already worth my 60 bucks.

I never did tell you that the game has accomplished absolutely nothing. Quite obviously the game DID accomplish something for me or I wouldn’t have purchased it in the first place, and yes they did get my 60 bucks too. Please bear in mind that my post was never about the perceived value of the game so lets at least keep it on topic shall we?

projectcedric.6951:

Ultimately, you can complain, no one’s stopping you (except the forum mods maybe, because they explicitly say you cant make a thread just for the sake of complaining). And I’m not saying this apples to GW2 only, Ive been to other games’ forums, and mostly people kitten about all kinds of negative stuffs and expect all of it to be solved.

Once again, you obviously never read my original post properly. I never did complain. In fact I was complimenting the forums on their usefulness in helping me to determine whether or not it was time to come back to the game.

projectcedric.6951:

I know its a game, and its supposed to be ‘ideal’, but no, its a lot like reality. In the end, it all depends on whether you like the experience as an individual or not.

Yes, an individuals personal experience does determine whether or not they like the game but that seems a bit self evident to even mention doesn’t it? Reality is also something you should use when replying to a forum post. Your reply is certainly not realistic if you just keep stating points that were never even mentioned in the post you are replying to. Please limit your responses to my original post and please do not attempt to put “words” into my mouth.

projectcedric.6951:

With regards to selective vision of developer, I would like to tell you (Hellkaiser) -if you havent known it by now- that ALL game companies have selective vision. Of course, they are gonna say “we are gonna put a forum for you to help us improve the game”, for official purposes. And they can try, but eventually there is a specific and idealistic conceptual and monetary goal to every game. And some problems you may see are just not considered ‘problems’ by them. You think its bad? Too bad. Go and punch the wall or something.

This is directed at you Hellkaiser so it’s all yours

But projectcedric, you didn’t make a point..All you did is repeat the essence of what I had already typed.

I agree to this.
Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

I also agree to this.
But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

If you were trying to say something negative to me then maybe it got cut off your post or something?

Maybe so Zeldain, but there is no harm dropping back to these forums from time to time just to check if something marvelous has happened that might make me want to play again.

Undercover Dev definitely.

projectcedric.6951:

Roachy.6194:

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

You have selective vision too.

Clearly there are a lot of positive things about the game, just as much as there are negative (as with all things in life; nothing’s perfect).

But you choose to purposely go into a forum of a game you admittedly no longer play to specifically look for problems and find out if they have been solved.

Yes, that is exactly what I said. I’m not seeing your point.

Hellkaiser, well said.

You guys have selective vision.

2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

You miss that bit or just choose not to see it?

I left GW2 about 3 weeks after retail release mainly because of the bots but for many downfalls in the game which I do not care to go into here. I use these forums from time to time to simply check whether or not the game is worth coming back to yet.

Unfortunately I don’t see me coming back anytime soon. Just by looking at the first 3-5 pages of the general section you can get a very good idea on whether things are improving or not. Sadly, it’s not. Getting slowly but steadily worse from what I can see and the 2 die-hard friends of mine that have managed to keep playing confirm many of the problems written about here and also let me know about the population levels.

Unlike many of you, I do place a certain practical value on my personal time. Wasting my time steadfastly playing a game that may or may not improve to an acceptable level at some indistinct time in the future is NOT a good investment in my personal time.

So thank you all, for your extensive posts and complaints about the problems in the game, you have saved me many many hours of playing to discover them myself.

See you when the game gets better (or when we all join a new one cause this one dies).

Ironheart, you can’t just type “no no no” without any explanation as to why not and expect to be taken seriously.

I understand that you may well be trying to defend a game which you probably love playing and that’s fine but if you MUST wade into a discussion try to use something more than insults and tantrums to validate yourself.

You quite obviously have no experience in these areas whatsoever so do yourself a favor and go research the points you are trying to make then come back and submit a valid presentation as to why your premise should be given serious consideration.

Replies like yours simply make you look like a 12 year old that had his balloon taken away.

Please stop posting complaints about “bots”, instead take a closer look at the structure of the company that owns the game and you will realise why “bots” and gold selling companies will always exist within these types of MMO games.

Anet is owned by NCSoft Corporation, a company with a public stock market listing, and as such the ANet game client sales reported to NCSoft directly affect their share pricing. “Bot” accounts artificially increase the number of account sales and therefore also increase the financial viability of NCSoft as a whole to their shareholders. This type of sales increase may well be “morally” corrupt but as far as the shareholders are concerned it is more than acceptable as shareholder reports do not differentiate between the sales to “bots” and regular human players.

Bearing this in mind, it is not in the best business interests of NCSoft to impose restrictions that may cause a permanent drop in the number of new account sales that are being subsequently utilised solely for the purpose of “botting”. Periodic deletion and mass banning of these accounts serves two distinct purposes.

Firstly, these actions serve to reassure the human players that actions are constantly being undertaken to address the “issue” of “bot” accounts and thereby increase the amount of goodwill into the gaming community through users public forum discussions showing thanks and appreciation for the apparent willingness of ANet to take action against “bot” accounts.

Secondly, the companies that initially acquired the accounts used in “botting” will then find it necessary to acquire new accounts to replace those banned. This of course leads to the aforementioned artificial increase in account sales reflecting in the bottom line stock value of NCSoft as a whole. Due to the financial gains to be made by the “botting” companies ANet can feel assured that the deletion of a few thousands of “bot” account from time to time will not dissuade them from repurchasing those accounts or drive their “bot” economy into unsustainable losses.

Finally, there has always existed the distinct possibility of collusion between the game host and “bot” companies in the form of payments made to the game host to allow the “bot” company to continue to reap financial benefit from the utilization of the game hosts client to conduct their business. Once again this would also contribute to the bottom line financials and viability of NCSoft as a whole.

The above machinations I have described have been in place in nearly all MMO game releases of of the past decade to varying degrees. The “behind the scenes” policies regarding “bots” and gold sales have always been rather thinly disguised by encouraging end users to discuss these issues on the supplied game forums whilst acknowledging and agreeing with their complaints thereby giving the false impression that the game company does indeed have their best interests at heart.

I am sharing this information with the GW2 community as a wake up call to all of you. I have previously been in a position structuring these very types of scenarios in various online business models and have now taken the position of strongly disagreeing with the further use of this practise due to it’s very immoral basis.

I fully expect this posting to disappear the moment it is discovered by a moderator and I further expect to be banned from these forums for submission of this post. I have therefore saved of copy of this text for later reposting and dissemination to various user groups and game reviewers.

Regards.

Please stop posting complaints about “bots”, instead take a closer look at the structure of the company that owns the game and you will realise why “bots” and gold selling companies will always exist within these types of MMO games.

Anet is owned by NCSoft Corporation, a company with a public stock market listing, and as such the ANet game client sales reported to NCSoft directly affect their share pricing. “Bot” accounts artificially increase the number of account sales and therefore also increase the financial viability of NCSoft as a whole to their shareholders. This type of sales increase may well be “morally” corrupt but as far as the shareholders are concerned it is more than acceptable as shareholder reports do not differentiate between the sales to “bots” and regular human players.

Bearing this in mind, it is not in the best business interests of NCSoft to impose restrictions that may cause a permanent drop in the number of new account sales that are being subsequently utilised solely for the purpose of “botting”. Periodic deletion and mass banning of these accounts serves two distinct purposes.

Firstly, these actions serve to reassure the human players that actions are constantly being undertaken to address the “issue” of “bot” accounts and thereby increase the amount of goodwill into the gaming community through users public forum discussions showing thanks and appreciation for the apparent willingness of ANet to take action against “bot” accounts.

Secondly, the companies that initially acquired the accounts used in “botting” will then find it necessary to acquire new accounts to replace those banned. This of course leads to the aforementioned artificial increase in account sales reflecting in the bottom line stock value of NCSoft as a whole. Due to the financial gains to be made by the “botting” companies ANet can feel assured that the deletion of a few thousands of “bot” account from time to time will not dissuade them from repurchasing those accounts or drive their “bot” economy into unsustainable losses.

Finally, there has always existed the distinct possibility of collusion between the game host and “bot” companies in the form of payments made to the game host to allow the “bot” company to continue to reap financial benefit from the utilization of the game hosts client to conduct their business. Once again this would also contribute to the bottom line financials and viability of NCSoft as a whole.

The above machinations I have described have been in place in nearly all MMO game releases of of the past decade to varying degrees. The “behind the scenes” policies regarding “bots” and gold sales have always been rather thinly disguised by encouraging end users to discuss these issues on the supplied game forums whilst acknowledging and agreeing with their complaints thereby giving the false impression that the game company does indeed have their best interests at heart.

I am sharing this information with the GW2 community as a wake up call to all of you. I have previously been in a position structuring these very types of scenarios in various online business models and have now taken the position of strongly disagreeing with the further use of this practise due to it’s very immoral basis.

I fully expect this posting to disappear the moment it is discovered by a moderator and I further expect to be banned from these forums for submission of this post. I have therefore saved of copy of this text for later reposting and dissemination to various user groups and game reviewers.

Regards.

Please stop posting complaints about “bots”, instead take a closer look at the structure of the company that owns the game and you will realise why “bots” and gold selling companies will always exist within these types of MMO games.

Anet is owned by NCSoft Corporation, a company with a public stock market listing, and as such the ANet game client sales reported to NCSoft directly affect their share pricing. “Bot” accounts artificially increase the number of account sales and therefore also increase the financial viability of NCSoft as a whole to their shareholders. This type of sales increase may well be “morally” corrupt but as far as the shareholders are concerned it is more than acceptable as shareholder reports do not differentiate between the sales to “bots” and regular human players.

Bearing this in mind, it is not in the best business interests of NCSoft to impose restrictions that may cause a permanent drop in the number of new account sales that are being subsequently utilised solely for the purpose of “botting”. Periodic deletion and mass banning of these accounts serves two distinct purposes.

Firstly, these actions serve to reassure the human players that actions are constantly being undertaken to address the “issue” of “bot” accounts and thereby increase the amount of goodwill into the gaming community through users public forum discussions showing thanks and appreciation for the apparent willingness of ANet to take action against “bot” accounts.

Secondly, the companies that initially acquired the accounts used in “botting” will then find it necessary to acquire new accounts to replace those banned. This of course leads to the aforementioned artificial increase in account sales reflecting in the bottom line stock value of NCSoft as a whole. Due to the financial gains to be made by the “botting” companies ANet can feel assured that the deletion of a few thousands of “bot” account from time to time will not dissuade them from repurchasing those accounts or drive their “bot” economy into unsustainable losses.

Finally, there has always existed the distinct possibility of collusion between the game host and “bot” companies in the form of payments made to the game host to allow the “bot” company to continue to reap financial benefit from the utilization of the game hosts client to conduct their business. Once again this would also contribute to the bottom line financials and viability of NCSoft as a whole.

The above machinations I have described have been in place in nearly all MMO game releases of of the past decade to varying degrees. The “behind the scenes” policies regarding “bots” and gold sales have always been rather thinly disguised by encouraging end users to discuss these issues on the supplied game forums whilst acknowledging and agreeing with their complaints thereby giving the false impression that the game company does indeed have their best interests at heart.

I am sharing this information with the GW2 community as a wake up call to all of you. I have previously been in a position structuring these very types of scenarios in various online business models and have now taken the position of strongly disagreeing with the further use of this practise due to it’s very immoral basis.

I fully expect this posting to disappear the moment it is discovered by a moderator and I further expect to be banned from these forums for submission of this post. I have therefore saved of copy of this text for later reposting and dissemination to various user groups and game reviewers.

Regards.