As a random, as a small group, you can do almost absolutely nothing at all.
The bigger guilds can at least hope for a decent fight and work on raid tactics.
For all the randoms this week is an absolute waste.
That’s where a lot of the frustration comes from: most players can’t do a single thing in WvW at the moment. So when they see a bigger guild running, they hope they could run along and at least get some action…
I apologise if what I said came across as brash or dismissive of non-WBC/TEO WSR players, many of you are very skilled in your own right and that was not the point I was trying to make.
The problem with open raiding is that we have no control over how geared or good at following commands the players involved are, now we of course do open raid but when we want to be more effective we tend to go down to our own or combined raids.
The reason for this is the rallying system, if we engage in a fight and somebody dies halfway through simply because of poor gear or being unable to properly follow the commands it can cause 10 players to rally, this could mean the difference between winning and losing a fight and is something any organised group wants to avoid as much as possible.
Hopefully this will help explain the reason why we sometimes want to do guild raids as opposed to open raids.
ich im sorry you only had pugs to fight on our BL tonight but there is a good reason for that and it happens to be the same reason you lost that t3 tower.
Our two main (only) wvw guilds were playing earlier on in the night without a tag on using voice comms and many of our pugs had a problem with our guild leader doing this saying that they are useless, so we left the BL and went to EB for the evening to see how the randoms would manage without us.
Score isn’t any of our concern this week we just want good fights
I could say the same about DZ. Why should we take SM if there is not enough ppl to defend it. Not so long time ago we took all WR border which was abandoned. Then huge DZ zerg came to our full upgraded border and wasted few hours with 0 points earned. Call it whatever you like.
Starting to think you are trolling, the number of times we have had a Dzag blob on our BL and EB side and not seen a camp out of place on BT BL is all too often….don’t start whining there is a reason WSR is higher scored than BT despite Dzags constant assaults and it obviously isn’t numbers.
Btw what guild do you belong to so I can look out for it on the battlefield
I don’t get it guys, don’t cry on forum about WvW when you just Got back to game or heard something about BT. As WvW community we are far better than WR, they have better score only due to night rides and common fight with DZ. We wiped 2-3 times bigger main DZ zerg (which is constantly at our border) so many times that it is becoming ridiculous. In equal fight we never lose to WR/DZ. So anybody who dosen’t like blob fighting will be very satisfied here.
I could say the same about you guys, i’ll have a word with my guild about these claims because we have never seen a decent fight from Blacktide but then we are stuck fighting DZ 100 man blobs over and over with 30ish on the open field (we have video evidence) every evening in our BL.
Guess we need to take a trip to your BL to see if we can get an equal fight from you eh?
Bravado aside numbers wise WSR is found lacking too (especially between 10am and 4pm GMT a time BT is quite active) so if BT is thinking of moving you could do worse than us.
I am here to confirm the rumors that if you even post a hint of someone hacking on the forums you get infracted (happened to me already) in order to not give a reason to degrade this forums into accusing each other. Also got infracted for talking about a moderator removing my previous post.
So it seems just post safe from now on. Really don’t infract this post too i haven’t said anything promoting bad forum behaviour while i just inform the rest of the people what can get you infracted so they can avoid it
Seriously I seem to get a new reason everyday to dislike Anet, punishing people for exposing cheats? This is the most backwards game company in history…
A really great server with decent people and the weeks we (Gunnars Hold) spent fighting them was enjoyable both at the field and at the forums. No trolling, no boasting just civil discussions.
I would definitely play there if i wasn’t at Gunnars.
Good luck guys you deserve some assistance.
Thank you for the kind words Genotix WSR feels the same way about you guys.
We have put a fair bit of effort in the last few weeks into improving our organised game play and as such have managed to remain competitive as the weeks go by but its hard not to notice the growing population imbalance as other servers continue to receive new guilds.
Again please consider WSR if you are looking for a friendly/active/queue-less home.
This is a subject that is hard to defend, there is a lot of bugged content right now on the live game and for me it has become unplayable. I would rather wait an extra week or two for more stable content than experience random crashes and broken classes on this scale, as I’m sure most of the player base would.
I think the point of the OP is a PTR would eliminate more of these issues before going live.
And I addressed that in my reply as well.
A test-server will NEVER be identical to a live-server. And there will ALWAYS be issues that don’t turn up on test-servers but on live. This is the case in every single game with a PTR.
It cost loads of money, it generate hype for releases, but it doesn’t really fix all the issues, no matter what people want to believe.
I’m not claiming that this would be a magic fix for all issues but there are certain problems that as I stated with even a cursory check would have delayed the release of these last couple of patches till they were resolved.
I also acknowledged that certain issues would always slip through the net but a PTR allows it to be tested on as many different machines as possible reducing those risks.
I fail to see how it costs LOADS of money, those bugs need fixing at some point whether in a PTR or when it goes live it makes no difference, hell we have some servers that have a very poor population that members have asked to be closed for some time now how about changing those servers into PTR servers? But hey that’s a different suggestion all together.
The last couple of patches have had bugs that have made parts of the game unplayable, these bugs are incredibly obvious and would have shown up with even cursory testing. Two of the biggest have been in WvW with parts of maps being no go areas DCing anyone who goes near it and now with siege not being place-able in many areas instead…
Other things like performance issues etc are more excusable as you cannot account for all hardware compatibility issues etc.
This is not an area you can save money in Anet, invest in a PTR instead of rolling out unpolished trash which only serves to hurt your player base rather than help it.
This thread seems to have recruited a few individual players which is great, but a guild would allow us to share the load with another organised group.
Please consider us if you are thinking of transferring.
As a player on WSR (currently one of the servers matched up with RoF) I have to agree that you guys have almost no night presence at the moment, though those that you do have are organised and skilled for the most part.
In the current match up AS have a French Canadian guild and WSR has drunken late night raids, both of these tend to keep you from achieving the points that your day numbers would suggest.
Hopefully we will be able to get some videos up on here with a little more serious fighting in it to give any prospective guilds an idea of what the combat is like here in tier 8 soon too.
As far as I know our hills didn’t cause people to disconnect. Not sure why you would complain over us attacking you in your bay when it was the only place we wouldn’t disconnect and you could defend without any issues… Its not like we took advantage of WSR disconnecting in bay, it was one of the few places we could actually fight.
Not sure why WSR always wants to play the victim.
No playing the victim don’t worry, its just an internal observation that bugs rarely favor our server. The worry was that with all other maps blocked off we would be perma defending bay this week which is no fun…
Always plays the victim? Our server is well known for its lack of whining on the forums…
I’m going to bump this since i’ve seen another example last night of us being strong enough to fight the enemy but not numerous enough to give us the freedom to act on this properly.
If we move to another borderland or make a push into enemy territory in EB its rarely more that 10-15 minutes before we all have to rush back to our own borderlands to defend because its empty and one of the other servers has noticed this.
Even the addition of a small roaming guild would have a noticeable effect on our little server, trust me there is no shortage of enemies to fight..
Well its taken 6 months but we finally have caught up with the pve players!
Introducing Infusions and Ascended Gear in WvW
Now you can purchase Ascended rings and amulets and upgrade your WvW abilities with six new Infusions that give your character special WvW bonuses! Just speak to the new Laurel and Badge Merchants on each map.
Was hoping for armor, skins and all that jazz but its a start.
Please don’t leave us waiting for something as simple as this for that long again Anet…
Edit: My praise was premature we still don’t have access to everything that pve players have i.e. ascended backpacks.
Without a guaranteed badge drop, what is the motivation for me to engage and kill anyone? Many times I’ll go for several kills without getting a single badge. Far more time efficient to just farm the jumping puzzles everyday isn’t it?
the motivation is……so the other world that is trying to take your keep/tower/camp fail….
But how do I personally benefit? Say because I kill someone my team gets a tower…. So what? It’s not enough motivation when you don’t really benefit in any way no?
This guy is trolling, sadly however there are some people in the game that really won’t do anything just because its fun to do so…
I also have to agree, I think WSR is a really nice server and I am also an enemy of theirs from RoF.
Their defense and general gameplay is pretty good for these tiers but they are lacking some numbers most of the time. I would welcome, if they would get a small guild or two in to make tier 8 a little more even.
Thank you Wanze, I have to stress that we are not looking for mass transfers or anything like that its just we need more numbers to be able to take the fight to the enemy more often than we do now.
Woah Zeal you talk about RoF taking stuff while you are outmanned while you took ALL of EB (exept 1 keep) and 2 and a half border with a 30-man team golem rushing when the other servers had together 10 people defending across all maps.
So much QQ Zeal so much QQ
I disagree, looking at the map right now Arbor have taken most of your borderlands while we move from map to map looking for one last good fight for the night.
GH did a pretty good job of keeping their numbers even on each borderland because they knew they were at a major advantage and could send either one of us into the pits of tier 9 if they wanted so instead they tried to remain neutral while still grabbing points.
We understood and for the most part the last match ups forum thread was rather pleasant as a result.
Plus you can’t judge our defenses when nobody was online to defend, that simply adds to what we are trying to say about numbers being the issue when you steamroll our borderlands when we have the out manned buff…
Please don’t crash our recruitment thread with petty comments…
The problem they are having is deciding on a reasonable price so that it is fair to all players- of course if they hadn’t made so many items untradeable in the first place this wouldn’t have been much of a problem as people would have been able to equip their toons with items bought in the AH.
Well its not like they haven’t had time to think about it…
I honestly don’t understand why ascended items haven’t been added to WvW yet. I don’t mind if they are even rare drops from loot bags. The best WvW has got is armor of ever type of build, but trinkets are missing for all except soldier. Skins of fine and masterpiece rarity were added. Just one exclusive WvW skin while each dungeon has a skin of it’s own.
idk
Then all the PvE players would Q_Q and be like, “ERMAHGURD ITZ NUT FAAAAREE”
Then Anet would CTRL + ALT + Delete WvW to comply with the Q_Q’s wishes.
And Devon would have move back in with his parents.
Doesn’t seem like new skins will happen unless this is the hold up they’re working on.
Could be that the sheer awesome of all Ascended Armour particle effects is clogging up the system.
Hmmm?
HHMMMMMM? HMMMMMMMMMMM?!
We can only hope.
Agreed, not getting any new sets of armour for 6 months while pve’ers get one or more almost every patch is rather annoying…
Look it up in this part of the forums and you will find threads dated all the way back asking for this stuff…
Fun party at the mill hope I wasn’t the only one drinking at this hour Shout out to the [MM] guardian I just fought into a stalemate. I regret not seeing more of [MM] during the week now.
Fare thee well GH, despite the numbers difference I think the past couple of weeks with you guys has been fun.
Its certainly forced WSR to learn new tactics fast in order to stay competitive and I believe we held our corner fairly well for the most part against your numbers.
Of course its not just numbers you guys have, we’ve been wiped more than a few times on the open field and some of the most enjoyable moments in the past fortnight has been in smaller scale fights too.
Looking forward to tonight where we hopefully face a match on a slightly more even footing with RoF, only time will tell however.
This change is very good. The jump puzzle should never have been there in the first place. It was like a McDonalds with a playground outside. Do you go to McDonalds to jump around in the playground? No you go there to eat. Well, hopefully not even that because McDonalds suck. Normal people go to restaurants and eat good food, without playgrounds and rude kids yelling all over the place. Same thing with Eternal Battlegrounds.
This started as a fairly good analogy but then appears to have sparked some inner hatred of Mcdonalds mid paragraph, made me lol. :P
Anyway OP its a good change that I think didn’t go far enough, the JP should have been disconnected from EB so that those with servers with queues don’t get clogged up with pve’ers queuing just to run to the first keep and leave.
Whenever is Tz outmanned tho? :P
Also the fight in front of bay gate on WSR border seems to be a week-long fair. Good place to farm kills but gets boring especially because you WSR guys always run back to the siege as soon as you see us even when we run around 1/4 of your numbers.
Come on people we need GvG’s! I’m sure anyone can get 10 people together to have fun with us.
Cya on the field!
1. Its mostly PuGs fighting south of bay since you guys don’t seem too keen on taking objectives.
2. The number ratio appeared to be the other way around whenever we did end up heading there.
3. Greenbriar and Greenvale hill were armed to the teeth with AC’s and Ballistas which you guys pulled back to whenever we made a concerted push (Not a snipe just a comment that we both had defensive lines we could pull back to).
It was deadlock which tied up a fair chunk of our force, numbers we honestly don’t have to spare.
Please keep things civil here on the forums this is one of the only match up threads that hasn’t descended into accusations and insults.
I just wish Anet was a bit more open with what they were bringing out, the next patch is tomorrow and as usual we have very little idea of what is actually going to be in that patch.
this happens when a good player, mayby been roaming all his life in some high quality tier, joins the lowest tier of wvwvw. It feels like berserker is PVT, you can tank so much and smack about double the numbers than before. You are like a god in there, a wolf thrown in middle of lambs.
Sort of resent this post so I will reply, first of all quality of tier? That is opinion, personally I would call the number 1 spamming zombies of the higher tiers lower quality tbh.
Roaming is what half of our number in the lower tiers does, instead of theory crafting over large scale fights these people theory craft over smaller skirmishes. I reckon you either don’t really know anything about the lower tiers (likely) or have been picking on newbies to stroke your ego.
Very fun reset night, started off getting pummelled pretty hard in our borderlands but we clawed it back and managed to finish off the night making quite a splash in Arbor Borderlands.
Greatest respect to all those I was with and against tonight.
Agreed We Be Husslin, for an upgrade to be given to the opposition its incredibly frustrating.
It required a lot of effort from members of our group to maintain supply to that keep which was being pressured from both sides in order to see that upgrade not only go to waste but actively help those we are fighting?
Kind of sad I have such a heavy work load right now, from what ive seen while online this match up has been fun so far for those involved.
GH is well known for its volatile numbers in WvW and many of us were expecting this to blow up in our faces when you guys ranked down, to be honest in my opinion its been no worse than RoF or Dzag .
I think Skwas’ fears are unfounded for WSR our numbers are relatively stable due to a strong core of indefatigable WvW regulars who make me proud whenever I am commanding.
I can remember reading good ideas on here for a ruined city map (think Osgiliath) with lots of small alleyways and dark corners for small groups to move around/hide in.
I can imagine towers jutting up through the ruins, perhaps each teams keeps are on the outskirts looking ramshackle and battle worn.
I must say I also am in favour of this new patch, as a commander in the lower tiers eu maybe its easier for us to break out of the zerg mentality than some of the higher population servers but ive spent much of the day having thoroughly enjoyable fights (both defending and attacking) and even dropped my badge in favour of a little roaming for a while because of the number of smaller groups moving around in EB.
